Borderlands 3 | How Good Is Endgame Moze? - Where She Rocks & Where She Sucks!

[@Shodakan0329]

Honestly I only use the Mech as an oh shit button when I need extra time to regen shields

[@hoonz97]

Cody Williamson pretty much exactly what I just wrote lol

[@yomarnt]

Cody Williamson the mech is lit my panic room

[@Alen725]

Just like everyone else probably.

[@Forgetthereality]

Mech was heavily used till lvl 50 then i got a legendary class mod that keeps him around the full duration so now I dont need friends cuz I got iron bear 😂

[@dragondevil69]

infinite shield + over 130k shield in cluster of enemies or 44k base

[@XHiddenDemonX]

I usually just use the mech for a free get out of jail card when i get nuked by mobs randomly. Im looking at you badass fanatics.

[@Forgetthereality]

Fuck those rocket launching pieces of shit fuckmeats

[@dylanmoran4312]

No kidding. Doesn’t help that they have radiation OR cryo on mayhem mode. Either you get nay nayed by a nuke or you get slowed down and blasted by everyone else.

[@LoneSkag]

Slow on Cryo launchers isn’t the problem there as much as the Cryo explosion literally covers the entire screen. Like trying to fight blind.

[@charlesxchaves]

@@Forgetthereality 😂 i agree, theyre annoying as hell

[@Forgetthereality]

Waiting for someone to get the quote i parodied

[@Miguel-xi6vy]

Gearbox really should buff Iron bear!

[@gasdorficmuncher9943]

its total shit

[@Forgetthereality]

Iron bear also should be able to have 2 weapon modifiers on a weapon at once as well as dps increase and hp increase Yeah... Just buff the fuck out of it Its viable in normal buuuuut I cant play mechwarrior in m3 and it makes me sad

[@jonathan6665]

Yeah its so bad

[@BlGOLAF]

Agreed. In anything higher than Mayhem 1 all he's good for is being a parachute to save you from death. He needs a damage and HP scale depending on the difficulty/Mayhem multiplier for sure.

[@ayyokp7632]

If you build right Iron bear is a beast, un-killable killing machine right there

[@joshmargolis1424]

Even while leveling i mainly use the mech for sustain. If im low hp ill jump into the mech to finish off targets. The cooldown is just too damn long to focus on it

[@SportySpice2004]

Yeah same I just use my 42,000 shield and any gun I want

[@felixh7388]

i have a bottomless mags build and i have the bear just for ohh shit, im about to die, lets get some shields back, with a 8 or 9 second cool down once i get out

[@BlueRose4309]

Say what you will about Iron Bear, throwing double Railguns on that big bitch certainly helped with bosses vulnerable to shock

[@-pressxtostart-]

I really disagree with the slow cooldown. This youtube channel put me off playing her for that very reason, and yet its really not at all -5 seconds fof everykill which is recharging when i get out and have my autobear sat for like 3 minutes there killing and quickening my cooldown. By the time its dead my skill is ready again. Edit: couple that with the fact i have 50k shield and 1 health, insta recharge shields on crit hits, 4 secs invulnerable when you get in and out, a bubble shield on auto bear and all that insane extra splash damage and grenade crit im invulnerable in PVE.

[@Raydr62]

You need to make use of the eject, and the seconds shaved off from killing makes iron bear feel like it's up almost all the time.

[@kovacsbenjamin7960]

"she's the strongest, most broken vault hunter in the game" You were very modest Sir. Usually I can't even touch shit as Amara when Moze is in our group because she's just murdering everyone in a sec.

[@anthonyprevost3968]

Really? Even with a AS damage TTB set up? Most things die to my amara before they even get a chance to fire at me lol

[@kovacsbenjamin7960]

@@anthonyprevost3968 I haven't played since launch tbh and that was 2y ago, I don't know about the current game balance

[@anthonyprevost3968]

@@kovacsbenjamin7960 it started out in a good place then turned wonky as hell for a long time because they kept min max buff nerfing weapons in promotion for the DLC flavor of the week making them ultra top tier one click delete everything while subsequently making everything else trash while now everything received its own scaling according to gun type. Makes everyone feel way stronger because everything is endgame scaled allowing people to breeze through everything. When I started my amara at drop graveward would take me on average 10-15 minutes because he had sooooooo much health and just started a zane 2 weeks ago and first graveward run I killed him in 3 seconds with a infinity

[@xavier84623]

this is sad because im a moze main and the main reason i picked her is because i like the mech, and im going for maximum mech build :( and yeah it feels a bit under powered and i really hope they buff it.

[@punishedtrump8773]

Bottomless mags and shield of retribution is really good though. Nade moze is better at mobbing but bottomless mags is better at boss killing and is still no slouch at mobbing either.

[@-_-DatDude]

Ehh.

[@ampersand6663]

@UCD-GLtCYhnP0DijoBBfg55w I dunno, once you have the survival guardian perks, bottomless and shield can push pretty hard and not care, incendiary is really good for moze and the laser sploder can hit 10k+ on resistant targets

[@jiggaman198]

I agree. Right now I literally am running around with infinite ammo, tons of damage buffs, and anywhere from 40k-75k shields based on phalanx doctrine.

[@resonating6621]

Yea with Lucians call for sure

[@XHiddenDemonX]

Lvl 40 mainly bottomless mags and loving it. Especially with high mag capacity dahl and hyperion smg's. Never reload, high single target dps, no recoil.

[@zanyzazza]

Loving the content Ryan. Like the insights into the different characters, I don't get much time to play so these videos have helped me choose who to plump for in my two playthroughs.

[@scotto9712]

Moze is what I always wanted Axton to be with the grenade build. My autobear turret doesn't last long, but it's entertaining. I'm not trying to min max. It's just a grenade/shotgun/rocket launcher build is so entertaining.

[@lastexile6924]

Same hear...even at the level 50 that build is great and fun

[@Forgetthereality]

You can turn iron bear into a full timed turret with a legendary class mod Just wish you could hop back into the damn thing when things get dicey again It was just too much fun being the mechwarrior or the support infantry role during first run but m3 just nukes poor iron bear

[@SF_Zoom]

I agree with the "Best build compared to sub par builds" I main Fl4k and he basicly can only go Full Crit build.. all other tactics are WEAK AF compared to crit. I dont think Gearbox needs to nerf these builds, rather buff/expand on other skills/tree's so we have more viable options for TVHM - M3

[@bobross9172]

100000% agree, hate it when everything is nerfed just buff everything that needs buffing.

[@masterrace921]

I got flak to 50 first out of the four and was blown away with the crit damage but was a little disappointed my pet couldn’t really do much besides a minor stat buff or a clutch revive

[@SF_Zoom]

@@masterrace921 Yeah the pet in general is just a +5% damage / another +% of chosen pet. It dies fast, it doesnt really deal damage, its useless just like the Iron Bear Mech.. Needs major tweaks/buffs to be viable at "endgame" TVHM - M3..

[@SF_Zoom]

@@bobross9172 Its just sad that the "Beastmaster" class can only go full rampage crit right now and their pets are freakin mascots..

[@M240-x7y]

buffing weakest>>>nerfing strongest. we play games to fulfill a power fantasy, dumbing everything down to where everything’s equally mediocre is an awful approach to go about fulfilling that fantasy

[@LaharlKratosVegeta]

Mozes mech should get bonuses on what items she has equipped. Like gain X explosive damage for having X torque weapons equipped. Or more fire damage for having a fire gun equipped

[@FearLegion-co8gg]

The way i built moze is splash damage all the way, but instead of bottomless mags, since your crits give you grenades and ammo for flakker anyways, i build into +50% damage when low health and sit on 1hp... insane damage. And ignore iron bear skills entirely.. totally worthless. The only thing i do with iron bear is have cd reduction and pop him, hop out right away and let him fire off 2 nukes for more AoE dps. Or have him launch the debuff rockets. Makes it a passive skill more than a dps decrease.

[@fojoman223]

I’m a Moze main lvl 50. I feel like you are right in the aspect of her having one very strong build over the others all though I feel the other builds may have a little more viability than it seems you think they have. I run a max bottomless mag and going into shield tree, with the one go artifact and I end up with a 43k plus shield with some nice weapons such as the butcher or shreddifier that add major dps especially if you hit criticals, make sure you have a couple elements of your fav gun and your good to go! I rarely if ever go down either this build and it gives me consistency with damage

[@jonathanhernandez8923]

Ive found that shield build plus demo woman works really well nades heal your shield with the ledgendary class mod and with a deathless you uber tanky and still have tons of dps

[@trysephiroth007]

Yeah it feels really op

[@manarazor4782]

Yeah I agree it’s way better than a bottomless mags build if you ask me, I run 60% retribution and 40% demo women if I’m not mistaken and I can complete anything with ease on M3

[@edisonmedal7792]

I run the same build I think it feels more broken as you’re a wall who deals stupid damage

[@-_-DatDude]

Yep ditto that, I avoided bottomless altogether. Demolition Retribution build is where its at with Moze. You can kinda do what bottomless does with demolition with the addition of doing waayyyyyyy more DPS.

[@jonathanhernandez8923]

@@trysephiroth007 i run 60 percent demo 40 retro i find that theres no need to go past acertian point int retro just get phalanx doc and call it a day

[@blakecandesign9628]

I've played about 70+ hrs on Moze, and I have to agree with a lot of what's said here in the vid. Her mech is a major after thought, which shouldn't be the case. And yes, her demolition build is insanely strong compared to everything else. Although I really enjoyed that play style, it's been really fun, and I do feel untouchable even on mayhem three proving grounds solo runs. It would be nice to see Gearbox incorporate the mech more somehow, maybe something like Ashe ultimate ability from Overwatch could work better.

[@cringybacon7440]

Im waiting for dlc content especially for moze

[@Terminate1783]

How is demo build strong when it gives bonuses just to splash dmg? Orange tree gives 90%gun dmg with 2 skills after 3 kills. Not to mention the last skill w 30% damage and the less health more damage skills. I wasnt able to kill anything with green + blue tree I use orange + green and orange is used all the way to last skill Like how do you even kill bosses with splash damage build? I use lyudaand it melts

[@blakecandesign9628]

@@Terminate1783 Im able to carry multiple people (that are barely level 40) through Proving Ground runs on Mayhem 3, to help power level them. With just me killing all the mobs and the bosses. Im not sure what else you want me to say? There are a lot of BL3 commentators on KZbin that agree with me, would you like me to link their vids to you?

[@Terminate1783]

@@blakecandesign9628 Yes I had demo build and flakker and m2 was cancer

[@joshmargolis1424]

All i know is that at level 14 i defeated traunt in 15 seconds by specing demo woman with a splitting shock grenade. You literally have infinite nades cuz you keep procing splash damage

[@SportySpice2004]

I used the tracker rockets ez clap in campaign

[@Forgetthereality]

Nagato legendary crit killed traunt in 10 secs on m3 i laughed at how hard i pwned that n00b

[@Evan.13239]

Yeah, I don't quite understand why the devs thought infinite grenades was a Tier 2 skill while exactly three extra grenades was worth Tier 4 investment.

[@almos3254]

Ye, iron bear is good at low level levelling. At late game tho while it still does ok damage if you spec into the railgun tree and get the right gear her dps can outdo a fl4k crit build so moze herself doesn’t fall off at all late game.

[@emanuelemanuel7038]

@@SportySpice2004 wow I never thought about using the tracker rocker atlas weapons for this build!

[@GILDENST3RN]

Moze main. I pretty much only go into mech to cleanse status effects like when I set myself on fire with grenades or to I-frame through big boss attacks when I'm on low health.

[@alaregret1270]

Definitely more utility in using the mech that way, especially when you're running Re-charger, or similar shields that let you reset your CDs. Especially when you toss a bubble + auto mech points in there for some flowing utility.

[@wubh3407]

That’s literally the only time I use iron bear. I literally screech to my friends “Iron bear! Save mama!” Haha.

[@bennygerow]

Same, or when I played poorly by pushing too far ahead and get surrounded

[@tingusjingus]

crazy how the splash damage/grenade orientated vault hunter is so painfully vulnerable to any and all damage, including her own explosions (love one-shot downing myself) when Zane and Amara for whatever reason are the ones with splash damage immunity/resistance??

[@bobmekmeme]

gearbox employees be like hmmm the fans seem to be up set about something welp that's bad

[@roshango125ab]

I really enjoy the mech that's why I picked her as my first VH, but admittedly I use it more as a get out of Jail free card at level 50

[@casmx7300]

It's funny, I was talking with friends before BL3 was even out and I was saying I was afraid that she would suffer the same issues with her mech as Brick did with his berserker mode in the original BL game. IE: You are simply better off never using your action skill because you literally nerf yourself by using it. Brick's action ability was amazing leveling up but had such diminishing returns that by the time you get higher level that you were just way better off shooting things with your guns. Now that the game is out, I feel Moze is exactly what I feared she would be. There's almost never a reason to use your mech because when you do you're simply weaker as a result. However, the game is still brand spanking new and has way more support than old school ever did. There's a very good chance balance changes are coming and I'm hoping Iron Bear gets some love.

[@Rohgamu]

Feels like it's been out for awhile now

[@casmx7300]

@Grym You're an idiot

[@TheRjsowter]

Yes exactly! Summon bear without getting in would be perfect

[@jdbaker82]

I am proud to say that I have actually been playing nearly the exact same build that I figured out on my own. Glad to see a video about the build I have been using!

[@alienstales]

Basically amara is the most balanced out of all the VHs

[@Psychos1s]

I completely agree! I've seen/used very successful builds utilizing all three main trees and all feel very powerful and different. I don't one shot bosses but they go down fairly quickly (30-60s depending on boss) where I feel its probably where the developer would want all the VH's in the end. My favorite at the moment is the Melee build utilizing Redundant Face-puncher (credit Arekkz Gaming). But before that I was doing some Phasegrasp elemental builds using the Fist of Elements/Brawl trees (credit sin tee) that seemed just as good but different. Then Moxsy going down all trees and most recent seeing sin tee's Phasecast boss killer (Tyreen in 50sec).

[@alienstales]

@@Psychos1s i recently started playing with her (after 40 hours with zane) and she just feels WAAAAY better leveling up

[@alejandroagudosanchez5183]

What means "balanced"? I have see clips of amara killing the Graveward in M3 in literally 2 seconds.

[@alienstales]

@@alejandroagudosanchez5183 her trees are all pretty viable unlike the others, zane has like 1 decent build

[@metallicafan416]

@@alejandroagudosanchez5183 she has alot of good builds

[@zule10000]

I love using the mech during leveling, me and my friends have tons of fun with it. Hearing that it falls off ENTIRELY is really wierd. Even Axton, whose turret fell off damage wise very quickly when you started to go into OP levels, still gained bonuses from it's use, and it was detrimental to not have the turret active.

[@manarazor4782]

I have found 2 good anointed stats, a Flakker that gets 120% dmg boost when leaving iron bear and a shield that gives me 70% more health and shield for 25 seconds after leaving iron bear and with that I can constantly keep 70k shields

[@coolestcat150]

My moze build has most points in shield of retribution with 8/5 for doctrine kill skill, 5/5 drowning in brass kill skill, and 4/3 for low health more damage perk. I’ve put enough in demolition woman to get 3/3 for ammo back on explosions and 5/5 for having some shots not take ammo and critical hits regen ammo in bottomless mag. Only 14/15 points out of shield of retribution to make me basically never reload while also having 40k shields on base and get 5k more max shields per kill. Granted my build only really works with guardian ranks (I’ve maxed both enforcer and survivor) it has rather well synergy, not truly unlimited ammo but unlimited enough if you have shroud aim and only get critical hits. Sorry for the long comment but I’ve put about 3 days into moze already so she’s close to my heart.

[@AzaelAkai]

Same here, around 65 hours+ into Moze. I've been running full Bottomless with points put into Shielf of Ret just for the health conversion into shields and %DMG for low health. I hardly go down because mech provides shield regen and is just a bullet sponge bunker. Tbh i was really hoping the mech would scale into Mayhem mode, but sadly it doesn't. The damage isn't enough and mech health isn't enough so if you build for mech duration and damage you're SoL.

[@coolestcat150]

AzaelAkai one of my good gaming friends is building his moze like this and so far haven’t been able to show him the true way, remember I launched two nukes at a badass psycho and it didn’t even bring him down a 1/4, then I died instantly in the mech waiting for it to recharge haha

[@Neonmirrorblack]

Unless that 50% increased gun damage is additive, instead of multiplicative, I don't see how the points spent in the green tree can make up for the 50% increased gun damage from 3/3 Desperate Measures (at 1hp). It's strange watching you play in this video with the 3K shields and 7K health while you constantly die. Meanwhile, I'm at 44K shields, 1hp and actually kill faster than this supposed "best" build and rarely die (unless I shoot myself). Hmm...

[@kaidela1013]

Lol no shit right?? I was thinking the same thing. Unless I danger close Flakker myself in a tight space, there's about fuck all that touches me. I mean god help anything that tried to take down a transformer/shock hex Moze. There's two solid farming builds if you want to boss or do CoS.

[@codycasey4906]

SOR and Bottomless Mags are my go-to mobbing and bossing. It's pretty well rounded and does great in mobbing and bossing. HOWEVER, with both Mayhem modifiers and certain enemy types (Such as Hardened Fanatics with the ridiculous rocket spam), she can definitely struggle. I haven't tested a demolition woman build yet, but I'm confident in advocating this as her A+ to S tier build next to it at the very least. ☺👍

[@ubadman1]

moze ironbear may be weak but its still MUCH better than fl4k pets. also downthe line when the lvl cap goes up moze and amara are going to uterly shatter the game.

[@chrisbohn201]

at that point flak will be unplayable and zane will be a meh pick

[@WisecrackJax]

Chris Bohn why will Fl4k be unplayable?

[@ubadman1]

@@WisecrackJax he'll fall behind moze and amara. both of them can self sustain and deal out damage plus their trees work together much better than fl4k's d.

[@chrisbohn201]

@@WisecrackJax hos pets will be relatively useless and slag isn't in bl3

[@iJuicyyy]

I started with Flak because I thought he sounded the coolest prior to launch, however after playing Moze, I can safely say shes one of my favorite characters over all of the games. Being able to just blow sh*t up all while feeling invincible and moving at the speed of light the whole time feels amazing.

[@Kuckii.]

Just get a Flakker for moze with explosive build and you kill almost everything in seconds

[@GoblinKoboldGaming]

The mech, even weak, is very useful for one big thing: it gives you a moment to heal. I treat it as a low-damage healing box, because it lets your shields (and if you have HP regen, health) regenerate during the duration of your mech.

[@xScaryy]

i disagree, i think the best build for moze imo is the SoR and BM, deathless artifact with a fire element laser-sploder and long musket or butcher for close range, this build is super strong solo and also strong in co-op but you need to be getting last kills for full potential, the faster you kill the stronger you get, the only time you use mech is in an "oh shit im about to die" situation

[@ChimpoTalksGaming]

This all day. A real Moze player knows this truth.

[@I3rain_Freeze]

Hey i found the best broken hin for Moze, the boring gun! A Shotgun that Shoots 3 sawblades that drop to the ground and move vertically in a cone. The sawblades will explode upon hitting an enemy or a short period of time after firing. A really crazzy OP gun

[@daedric5647]

It's good

[@skepticalpickle5258]

The lag needs to be fixed before anything else. It's literally unplayable on PS4 with friends.

[@imnotgettingfined1618]

THANK YOU me too lol I hate it

[@theblankfacegamer333]

It's not an issue Gearbox could really fix without overhauling the multiplayer system and spending money they don't have room in the budget for at the moment. This is because Borderlands 3 uses a peer-to-peer system and the only way to ensure a good connection is for all peers to have a good connection. The worst the host's connection the worse the lag. The only way to fix this would be dedicated servers that would take a lot of space and a lot of money.

[@A.A.I.N-L.E]

Dont need to worry about it if you dont have friends

[@thevoxdeus]

@@theblankfacegamer333 If only there had been some way for Gearbox to know that they were making a multiplayer game ahead of time, then they could have engineered the game engine for that purpose. /sarcasm I've been playing exclusively solo so far, so I can't comment on the MP lag or lack thereof, but there's no excuse whatsoever for it to be a game engine issue. Previous BL games didn't have bad lag issues, and they've all been multi-player. That said, I think they just cranked the graphical fidelity up beyond what the regular PS4 can handle. I get terrible inventory lag, terrible lag during lootsplosion, when lots of enemies are on screen, etc. I'm sure it would run like butter on my PC, but I'll never know because they decided not to launch it on Steam so for me it doesn't exist on that platform. Either way, if the game's supposed to run in MP on PS4 then that's what it needs to do. No excuses.

[@skepticalpickle5258]

@@A.A.I.N-L.E good news, my friends hate the game and aren't planning on playing it again. Problem solved, I guess.

[@hitman5782]

Best build in the game: There is a class mod that lets auto bear active for pretty much endless time, and that´s all you need. Now just activate all skills that make iron bear stronger, use 2 railguns with fire damage, activate the action skill, immediately jump out of iron bear and climb on his back. You are now pretty much invincible, have infinite ammo and do the highest damage in the game, at least when you wear a weapon that gives you +150% railgun damage. You can oneshot everything even on chaos 10 and they can do nothing to you. Not the most fun to play, but incredibly good for farming stuff for other characters.

[@Forgetthereality]

Endgame meta or not I play BULLET HOSE MOZE all day errydey

[@leanbard8791]

Bullet hose is best moze

[@FirstnameLastname-jz1ux]

vladof everythang

[@leanbard8791]

@@FirstnameLastname-jz1ux I was able to get a shredifier up to 260 rounds in the magazine and couldn't even begin to put a dent in it holding down the trigger

[@FirstnameLastname-jz1ux]

@@leanbard8791 ive had a lot of fun with some dahl ar's with high mag size and lower rate of fire. great for midrange and consumes no ammo.

[@mauricethomas2506]

I don’t play Moze but it looks like the mech always spawns on you when you call it. If that’s so then it would be nice if you could point to a location and drop it instead of having to call it and hop out. It’ll give you a sentry you could position however you wanted in fights.

[@Orthane]

Iron Bear is borderline useless starting at Mayhem 1. It really needs some hp and damage buffs.

[@acetraker1988]

There needs to be some "end game scaling added to moze skill." Whatever is is gearbox's problem. It's similar to how vehicles are useless.

[@HimothyHimsworthy]

They could add a relic or mod specifically designed to give it double stats or something in that line

[@caseymiles9417]

honestly the bottomless mags tree filled and then enough into the SoR tree for the 1 hp strat is the best build. the infinite grenade build only super works when you have something like the Flakker but when you have a super shield and over 100% increased damage bonus then you have tankiness and can use just about any gun you want because it will literally be twice as good. add that with a transformer shield and you're golden

[@flynnagin5446]

you can use mozes mech as a turret its theirs a certain mod that does it if you exit it it will stay for the remaining time you left it

[@stlsaint1]

That's more of a fun tactic versus a min/max one cause you time it takes you to get in and out of mech you could have done probably a couple 100k damage.

[@trysephiroth007]

He said that but the problem is you lose so much dps having to get in and out.

[@jodyboles8208]

@@trysephiroth007 it only takes a couple of secs though......

[@trysephiroth007]

@@jodyboles8208 Moze can kill everything in a couple seconds

[@matthewstephens6502]

10000000% the mech is an invulnerability button. Thats pretty much it. With entering and exiting being invincible it allows you to regen shield. Other than that, cloning hex w/flakker is the best Moze

[@lambda1863]

Something that annoys me about moze is all the mech upgrades are in the demo women tree I think they should have been a bit more spread out if some were in bottomless mags or shield of retribution and also I think that there should be a skill buffing all damage ups and other stat ups you get when you are in the mech

[@joelance5672]

If they are going to add more skill trees to these characters like I’ve heard, they should make it so iron bear can equip player guns! (Hint.. Hint.. gunzerker..)

[@pedrotoledo9070]

joe lance 4 guns gunzerker

[@snortfridgemold424]

I'm doing a mech focused build and it has been a blast so far. Saying her mech doesn't have survivability outside of her shield isn't entirely true as her Vampyr skill heals her mech based on missing armor. Also if you have a class mod that adds point to her Stainless Steel Bear ability it gets a lot better too. I have a +4 modifier and iron bear gets +36% max fuel, +54% max armor, and +36% max damage. I'm not late game yet so I'll see how it goes. I also assume that at the time of you making this a couple of that points I brought up have been added on or changed. I believe at least the healing and the damage from Stainless are new. So with these changes do you guys believe iron bear is better for end game?

[@Phurzt]

Bottomless mags is definitely not B/C tier my man. Maybe you need to try out other weapons more, but a crit focused mag build with a vladof bipod assault rifle absolutely wrecks m3.

[@kaidela1013]

The bossing build I run is bottomless mags with the Lyuda. Stupid damage for days.

[@Biggster]

i made my own build and now that i see your tree i realized how common the build was for her and how most people use that specific one

[@stevocon8521]

I'm so glad I picked her over Fl4k, love her abilities that are similar to Salvador's

[@bennygerow]

Lol yeah she reminds me of sal a bit as well

[@WisecrackJax]

What’s wrong with Fl4k? He rules. And Zane is awesome, too. Amara is mediocre.

[@TheNintendude1997]

@@WisecrackJax Flak is boring and Zane is mediocre

[@daedric5647]

@@WisecrackJax how is amara mediocre when shes way better than Zane?

[@effdee6190]

i wonder, if a moze has the atrifact that keeps health at zero for sheild of retribution, wouldnt the transformer sheild be neccersairy to avoid instantly dying whenever shock turns up? or is there a better alterative

[@villenilsson1335]

thats why u have the 50% shock resist in her tree ^^

[@Sengg0]

yeah you can die without the transformer, but once you equip it you cant ever die if you have nades up

[@Zer0Hour17]

Moze's mech shouldn't have health. Change my mind.

[@grambo1980]

also the iron bear often can't go through doorways lol. would be great if she had kind of a dash move that was more accessible. I know you get a little dash if you double tap jump

[@goodol8]

Great video & you are 110% right. Moze is my main from day one, I put in over 100 hrs with her, have all the Legendary gear and I have to agree with you. Early game be it normal or TVHM rock the Iron Bear & enjoy the fun while you can but late game and or MM3 even with 2 nuke arms he feels under powered. The Demolition build you mention is super fun, OP and makes you forget you have Iron Bear until you mistake the Skill button with the grenade button and call him out by mistake, just for him to die before you can eject out LOL

[@Mustang1984]

lol i HATE when i do that.....hit the mech when trying to trown a nade.

[@tCruzin4Lyfe]

I agree. I really don’t think anything should be nerfed but the other skill trees on Moze and FL4K should be buffed. FL4Ks pets don’t scale well either. PS. Amara is the most fun!!! You can be a melee goddess or a elemental DPS Queen

[@iSuperVamp]

You can be anything with her and make it work. She's amazing for that.

[@tob564]

Bottomless Mags + Shield of Retribution: - Literally infinite ammo full auto Butchers with different elements - 40 000+ shields and 1hp (giving bonus gun damage and damage resistance literally all the time) - Relic with + 31% shotgun damage Not B tier, man. It is easily S tier.

[@RunkTheFunk]

@Joseph Gaber deathless

[@jerzane5617]

I wasn’t as sure at first when I tried Moze due to how long her mech cooldown is and how easily it can get melted (I thought the mech was the only important thing in her kit). However, after playing her more and seeing how fun she is on her own (and the glorious explosions she can make) I’ve really fallen for her. Thank you for the build and all the advice! I personally enjoy the “best build” so far in my leveling her, but I really hope they make other builds viable cause I like having options and crafting different styles/focuses in the skill trees.

[@johnnybravo8587]

This is about 20% of what she can actually do.

[@bennygerow]

Source?

[@AuroraEditing]

I really appreciate that you're pushing for better support for build diversity. They've done such a good job with making unique and interesting talents and it's a shame to have so many of them feel punishing to take over something else.

[@Zasurein]

Doesn't Shield of Retribution add a ton more overall damage than Bottomless Mags? Theres like 150% bonus weapon damage in that tree without even considering Phalanx.

[@MrHellweasel]

It does but damn if bottomless mags isn't fun to play.

[@trysephiroth007]

When I'm using shield of retribution my class mod, shield and artifact are a lot more defensive compared to bottomless mags. Guess it just depends on the build.

[@manarazor4782]

Raim Surion yeah I have no idea why they use bottomless mags because solo I stay stacked with phalanx doctrine for at least 80% damage and 150%+ shield increases and another 88% base damage for the low hp skill and with the demo women you regen ammo with your grenades so I don’t get it

[@MrHellweasel]

@@manarazor4782 The ammo regen in the demo tree is nothing compared to bottomless mags. That and the fact that not everyone likes to get eye cancer from all the grenade spam :D

[@manarazor4782]

DonaldTheGreat well I use the Flakker so I suppose it doesn’t effect me that much since it shoots slow

[@andrew177100]

I've been running around with an endless mag of ogre throwing hex grenades.

[@TheSuupeermaan]

Shields of retribution together with demolition woman seems like a way more fun playstyle that only does marginally less damage than what you're running. With the right legendary relic and class mod you sit at 1 hp with 40k shields while constantly healing the shields through spamming nades. Really in tvhm on mayhem 3 i have been downed once since the last 2 days when I respec'd while comfortably crushing everything the game throws at me. Also downing yourself with every 2nd shot isn't fun to play at all in my opinion.

[@josefcayos4026]

Add a re-router, the shield that takes away 50% shields to give +120% gun damage and you'll be doing crazy dps as well as being almost immortal.

[@TheBlakamon15]

That gameplay is so boring though.

[@captianfail1406]

Retribution+demolition build with the grenade regen, all health into shields, a class mod to turn health regen to shields, and hex grenades makes her essentially immortal.

[@-pressxtostart-]

My moze build is absolutely insane if i do say so myself. 😁

[@Aryann3]

Press X to Start 🧢

[@phoney1771]

I believe

[@Leopardvixen369]

Press X to Start What’s your build?

[@-pressxtostart-]

@@Leopardvixen369 its a cross between super splash damage build, and super shield build 40k shield with the skill that adds 15% per kill and an mod that dropped grenades on crits and shield regen on crits, im blowing ip entire rooms with this setup its really fun. Im pushing like 60k shield in encounters, plus iron bear allows me to hit that 'oh shit' button and recharge my shield while in it then hop out into the bubbleshield for 20% of my shield. I could go more in depth but thats the basic of my idea 🤗

[@Leopardvixen369]

Press X to Start is it a grenades build or guns? I can’t wait to finish leveling my moze and try out a build like yours. I’m super indecisive though and have leveled all four classes to 16-18 to try to decide which to finish first. I’m leaning moze or amara since there are so many crit fl4ks out there. I haven’t enjoyed a game this much since bl2!! It’s all I’ve been doing in my spare time since it came out that Thursday evening!

[@nooneinparticular7980]

I literally started doing all of this on my own a couple days ago after I respec when I hit 50 and I was like ‘damn my builds good’

[@imonyourside8376]

I started with Moze and moved on to zane. Zane is so much more fun. The mech just sucks for moze.

[@shiroshirokill]

No

[@scottholmes6080]

She just doesn't have enough perks for her mech, she needs like two towards the bottom of each skill tree so you get them when youre hitting late game. For example in the shield tree there could be buffs to the bubble shield strength or resistance and another giving perks for being inside it. In bottomless mags there could be one for buffing it's elemental resistances to its armor, and maybe explosive resistance in the demolition tree. Just stuff to make it tankier

[@goten3965]

Lol when u have 55000 shield and deal all the damage and ur not evening using action skill

[@tylermagin8548]

what's your build? I can't seem to get above 48-49k shield

[@listenerofrealrap]

@@tylermagin8548 All of the Shield capacity skills in Shield of Retribution, including Phalanx Doctrine. I'm using a level 50 Stop Gap which has about 12000 capacity. With a couple of stacks of Phalanx Doctrine I'm over 50k (note I have 8/5 points in that). Don't even have the Deathless artifact which would double that.

[@Terminate1783]

I used blue and green trees i couldnt do shit. Phalanx and drovning in brass and u have 90% gamage after u kill just 3 enemys Add the last skill in tree and if your shield goes down it goes back up and also gives +30% damage Didnt even mention the "less health more damage skill" yet Other 2 trees dont give any damage bonuses really... yeah fire and splash dmg but those are just for certain weapons.

[@goten3965]

Lil Yeet transformer is useless moze literally has a skill that does the exact same thing and I’ve found that shock enemies are not that common anyways and why does it even matter if you basically one shot them anyway

[@garrettc9456]

I primarily spec into shield of retribution, but what completes the build is my class mod for scorching rpms. Guns that return ammo to the mag on crits give her a bottomless mag effect and has high crit and gun damage. Fl4k probably has a better crit build but moze has more of a bottomless mag effect.

[@alfinsthomas]

The feeling I get from Moze’s action skill is kinda like Kriege’s Action skill in BL2. Not gonna use the Action skill for that massive damage.

[@TrueGamer22887]

Alfin S. Thomas ehhhhh depends on the krieg build you can spec so you’re literally always berserker mode doing millions of damage healing yourself, only thing is it’s not viable for bosses at all

[@dh5416]

The only reason I use it is for the infinite ammo with my torgue sticky shotgun

[@PraiseDolan]

My guy if you were melee kreig you were GLUED to his action skill wym

[@bencook9847]

Kreig was an absolute monster in his action skill. Super mutant transformation with the one massive arm? You stupid or something? It was broken as fuck. Full heal from a melee for millions?

[@renno2679]

Love how he was like "right now i feel that iron bear is balanced." Now that he's hit endgame he's all like "yeah nah it sucks"

[@jnwoodard8764]

She’s Torque’s greatest spokeswoman. That being said; the mech is really an “oh shit” skill, or just good for thinning the herd.

[@bennygerow]

*Torgue

[@TH3.W0R5T.0N3]

I just finished TVHM, without using her Ironbear. Just with Demolition Woman build. TIP: Stormfront Granate with Transformer Shield. But without any passive fire damage. For Bosses use the Pipenpomb Granate. Thanks for your guides, best regards from germany.

[@omokok1877]

Waiting for amara armada

[@craftycraff7938]

Go away.

[@Leopardvixen369]

Just a Banana That’s my experience with Amara as well. I’ve been using a high damage shotgun(Torgue Bologna Poney) and a class mod that gives me +3 Personal Space in the Brawl tree for a total of +6 total. I’m still leveling her but without a lot of points in Brawl she dies too easily.

[@MidKnut]

While you're right about there being 1 'best build' I would say her other options are not far off, unlike Fl4k. SoR + Bottomless Mags means I go down very occasionally in Mayhem 2, with 0 points in Demo Woman. Mech does defo become less useful in Mayhem but levelling with it may have been the most fun I've ever had in Borderlands.

[@Rolgi]

i dont really agree. bottomless mags and incindiary damage moze is better than explosive moze in my opinion.

[@EACru2002]

While leveling? Sure. All the regular grenades (besides Pipe Bomb, but I feel that's unintended) aren't worth building around. But if you're at 50 and getting legendary grenades + a Flakker, Explosive is clearly the strongest build.

[@Rolgi]

@@EACru2002 i guess we will agree to disagree.

[@EACru2002]

@@Rolgi Sure, not saying other builds aren't viable. Nearly everything is "viable" in this game, even Zane, the consensus weakest VH can be viable in TVHM Mayhem 3, he just might kill slower. But there's a reason why, as RyanCentral mentions, that almost every Moze endgame build KZbin video goes deep into explosives. To be fair, I don't even think RyanCentral's build is the best version. I think Deathless, Bloodletter, Transformer is a must for Moze and I actually go deeper into Shield of Retribution than I do Demo Woman. But I still would call it an "Explosives Build" because it's still predicated around infinite healing grenades + Flakker.

[@yt49ab6p5]

Demolition Moze with a Recurring Hex is basically a weapon of mass destruction. Even better with a Flakker added for that kick in splash damage and replenish your grenades.

[@matthewstephens6502]

She's the best, you're welcome. Flakker+Cloning Hex grenade=nothing lives and you don't even have to aim

[@freddyaxebear7547]

I think a decent way to fix her mech is to give her mech two summon options. Hold it and you digistruct it around yourself or tap the use button and its comes out as a pet. Having the option to hop in and out like mounting a vehicle. Also maybe they should have her weapons on her mech scale with her class mode. Like having a percentile increase to damage that scales up as levels go higher. Also probably having anything that regens HP work as armor regen on her iron bear but as a decreased rate.

[@thehalvening8942]

Since we know that gearbox probably won't add any new doc vaulthunters this time around, it would be cool if they added new branches to the skill trees of our existing vault hunters

[@KingOppRichey]

Great video, just started moze as my second character. So this video was definitely needed! Earned my sub!

[@oklimbo]

I have been running a lvl 50 gunner for about a week and I understand your thoughts on the bear. I think the strongest way I've found to use the bear is to use Auto Bear and to summon and immediately exit. I get the cooldown back before it expires and the Auto Bear has godlike aimbot skills. I like to equip the nuke and the shock rail gun and let him status and weaken enemies while I blow them up with splash and grenades. For 1 point you get to have nearly 100% uptime without sacrificing anything in the optimal build

[@christianambrose4941]

Love your content Ryan. For Moze, I found the mod that keeps the mech out for a long time after you jump out, then put the points into the skill tree to extend its duration. It's not really too much of a sacrifice in skills, and I usually can have Iron Bear out and shooting non-stop while I continue shooting on my own.

[@jacobpourchot6294]

I have a shield and bottomless mag build that works really well in Mayhem 3 with high mag Vladof and Jakobs elemental guns focusing on never reloading through high rate of fire and criticals reloading magazines.

[@onionheadguy7094]

Great work on BL3 so far!

[@joshuamcclellan4942]

You got to use the perk that increase your iron bear damage by 25 % when using the same arm attachment. And use cluster rockets. You can spec into that and splash damage perks for a pretty sick grenade build. Been running TVHM on mayhem 3 and haven't had a problem.

[@adhennakbar4516]

Zane is Hitman centric, but you could choose second alt skill to d agent or undercover depend on play style and still works. Amara could use face puncher as shoot your melee build, or fist of element to enhance element efect, all of them could increase gun damage also. While fl4k and moze drop performance outside that build/play style making some skill useless like talk attack and iron bear. What do you think?

[@muffetmissulena6540]

I’m glad I’m not the only person who uses Iron Bear as a get out of jail free card. The cooldown on it is just way too long to be used reliably.

[@stahliboi6249]

With a deathless relic and a class mod that puts points into phalanx that also recharges your shield if you get healed its not uncommon to run around with 60k shield capacity if theres enough enemies.

[@pkmn7777777]

Isn’t there a legendary COM that makes auto iron bear last for the entire duration automatically rather than after you hop out?

[@ScootaGray]

I will show you a video of my build for mech moze. It involves using high cooldown reduction to have mech at a 100% uptime. But you do not stay in the mech, you get out and use it as a pet that does crazy explode damage. Again I will make a video when I get to TVH Meyham 3.

[@ScootaGray]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZLGlYGgbrl1i8U here's the link showing off the build in mayhem 3 but I just got to mayhem 3 so I still need better guns.

[@Endrance88]

i found a class mod recently for her that makes it so that she regenerates shields instead whenever something tries to regenerate her health. so far it's been op

[@amodking]

Hey dumb question, was this video made before or after the new trait line at level 60? With the talents that buff the moze’s ultimate?

[@willpavek5210]

Moze + the Shredifier is one of the craziest combos I've played with! Just got a level 50 version the other day with a grenade under barrel and it's been destroying things!

[@SportySpice2004]

I have one with 2 barrels and Jesus

[@willpavek5210]

@@SportySpice2004 I had no idea it could spawn with a second barrel! That's crazy! I have a double penetrating Ogre that does some crazy damage too, but I'll have to keep an eye out for a double barrel Shredifier.

[@vsanchez2667]

I think it’d be cool to re work the iron bear where it duped your shield onto the mech and lower the amount of armor you have. Maybe apply some of her skills to the mech idk

[@aleverettes2789]

Demolition Moze and stalker Fl4k are the only builds of all four playable characters that have the strength to take on four-player M3 circle of slaughter and the foreseeable Maliwan Takedown raid The problem is not those builds are too strong(well, maybe except for the grenade spam), but other builds just so weak(no survivability) in high-pressure scenario

[@Raydr62]

Amara is also able to do it with elemental life steal and health regen. Shes an unkillable powerhouse because of how much everything procs on her.

[@mikeboyce21]

I can solo tvhm mayhem 3 and m3 circle of slaughter easy with moze.. if that ain't broken I don't know what is lol.

[@playboikatana]

The iron bear is a little too big it can get stuck on doors and forces me to leave early to walk on through

[@Darkmusicwax]

Has mech function changed since this vid? I am new to the game and started a moze. And the mech just murders everything i come across on mayhem 10/11. Cooldown is np with the items i found for it.

[@Ct7-117]

The other major problem with Iron bear is that it is kind of shoehorned into the Demo-Woman tree. In the future as it seems they are more likely to go the route of adding skill trees over new Vault hunters, they should make a tree dedicated to Iron bear. Thus removing Iron bear perks from the Demo-Woman tree and adding a bit more flavor to both trees.

[@gagers78]

The build Bahroo levels with was stupid good at mobbing. Idk how well it transfers to mayhem but 7 stats of phalanx doctrine while it was boosted allowed him to just 1 shot a lot of the mobs.

[@elijahlespier5383]

Demolition woman and bottomless mag. Spend a point on auto bear and have the target softening augment and maybe the nuke augment. Demolition woman with flakker gives the mech a super quick cool down and every time you exit you get infinite ammo. It's not the best bear build but it incorporates it. There is a mod that makes auto bear last way longer supposedly. I do wish I could stay in the bear in mayhem 3 and it destroys but not a lot of the perks are bear involved.

[@jesusramirez6521]

There is a Class mod that makes the Mech Stand out during the duration of the ability, but you do have to go in and come out.

[@iiTzToXiiK]

I been playing Moze since the game came out and I just started using the build where she only has 1hp but a ton of Shields and I honest can say it really does feel like the best build. Demolition woman and shields of retribution with all that Splash damage kills enemies and even bosses so quickly. The only time I have went down is if I hit with a attack that does over 55k but then I pick myself right back up. I really have never fully died using this build. The shock grenades keep me alive all the time. It’s like I’m a tank and dps at the same time.