Bowhunting Shot Placement “Vital V”

[@419outdoors9]

Hello Troy. This is for the viewers: I started to kill more and put more deer down in fewer yards with this man's advice and research. I literally smash and pass through!!! Keep it up Troy.

[@stevesweaney8797]

Two years ago I switched to this system and it has not failed me. 4 deer harvested using this system and I have watched all but one go down within sight. Keep teaching, haters are gonna hate.

[@jimbrisco7374]

I am not a world class archer, nor will I ever be. My effective range is 25 and under. I also am getting older, not built like Arnold, so my draw weight is only 53 lbs nowadays. Shot my first deer with my new heavy arrow setup, put right in the vital V at 15 yrds, because I wasn’t so afraid of my arrow hitting something hard and stopping. Ended up heart shooting the deer and I watched him hit the dirt 20 yrds from where I shot him. It’s not a 60 yrd set up for hunting out west, but for me, in the big, public land woods, it’s a great set up. I choose to have an arrow system that will allow me to get right in there with confidence. Most of us are not shooting 80 lbs and are not archery snipers. Thank you Troy for showing me a system that can keep me in the woods with a vertical bow at my age and stature.

[@01mhoover]

If you don't mind me asking, how heavy is your arrow?

[@stephenballard3759]

For the record i'm a recurve shooter honey out west. I have killed one elk at fifty yards. All the rest have been under twenty five. And that's only like fourteen elk, it's true. Don't remember how many deer i've shot but I only remember one over 35. I shoot arrows over seven hundred grains out of a fifty eight pound recurve. And it's totally fine. I'll tell you I help way more people track than have to help me track. I usually just walk over and start gutting.

[@davidware9605]

,,, thx for sharing, I'm right there with ya on the 53 lbs and spot on at 30,, but shooting at 67yrs old, in feeling pretty good reading your post👍

[@kysonjohnson4932]

Listen to the Dudley podcast that you were featured in. It’s crazy how he tried to belittle you in just the fact you “haven’t taken any archery lessons” or know “proper form” and with that dismissed anything you had to say about arrow weight. I currently am running 510 grain arrows and that added 125 grains make a world of a difference. Thank you!

[@killintime8431]

Duck fudley

[@goldxpeak3842]

Dudley does state he is going to play devils advocate, he has done this on multiple podcasts prior to troy. Now maybe he tried to grill troy harder because he has seen the negative side come out in competition and they had differing opinions but they also had similar opinions on many parts of their discussion. I don’t think he meant bad by it and Troy didn’t look the least bit offended so take it as you will I guess.

[@Caincando1]

Do you have any idea who he actually is or what he's done for the entire sport of archery and bow hunting?@@killintime8431

[@twl10101]

"he has seen the negative side come out in competition", so you want to defend Dudley with this comment here, when Troy is talking about hunting. From the few videos I have watched of Dudleys', he wants to convince everyone that they need to be a tournament archer and have perfect form to deer hunt. It's nice to have perfect form, but in hunting situations it's not always possible. @@goldxpeak3842

[@tolt1776]

​@@goldxpeak3842people only get offended when they know they are wrong.

[@JD-mn8cx]

Sent a 690 grain arrow topped with a single bevel straight through a bucks front shoulder last weekend. Buried in the ground towards the fletching. He expired in seconds. Couldn’t have done it if you didn’t teach me this stuff. Thanks Troy!

[@simonsmith9363]

Troy, thank you for taking on the mechanical broadhead industry and pointing out their frailties. You're fighting against big money interests, companies who are making a fortune out of bow hunters with their slick marketing and big name front-men and I admire you telling truth to power. Keep up the good work!

[@chrisruzsa2798]

It’s not so much the companies. It’s about the stick and shooter. I use both fixed and mechanical on my testing I found that mechanical can only work well on 500 plus grain arrows or bolts with more than 12% FOC. Fixed can work on anything. But do better on 500 plus grains with more FOC.

[@brockpeck7073]

Troy your the best! No other channel is close to yours. Us normal bowhunters love it.

[@jakemeyers558]

I've learned a lot from Dudley and I've learned a lot from Troy. Both men have shared information that has helped make me a more effective hunter. I hope both continue to share their points of view. I shoot single bevel broadheads and no weaker than a 300 spine arrow because of Troy. I shoot my bow twice a day and emulate what John teaches for accuracy. I have my "middle ground" arrow setup... I make adjustments based off what animal I'm pursuing. My success rate on recovering hogs in FL Swamps where blood tracking can be impossible went up dramatically thanks to Troys advice.. I moved my shot placement forward and used better broad heads...It worked for me. Thanks Troy!

[@boomerrangerron]

Nice job Troy! It's just sad that so many people on social media feel like they should criticize your work! Especially since you have some solid training and understanding of the anatomy! Great job!

[@MikeyWoomer]

I love that illustration from deer hunting. I've been trying to tell more and more people to aim more forward. So many times I've been hunting and killed deer that I thought was more broadside and when I get to the deer see it was quartering way more. It's very simple.. aim for the opposite shoulder where you want it to come out. Great video

[@longfalllureoutdoors7321]

Started aiming farther forward thanks to you, broke my back a few years ago so picked up a crossbow and am slinging around 600-650 grain bolts, been using the sevr robusto 2.0 and have had great luck, broke the bone at the base of the scapula and complete pass thru last year on a 1/4ed too shot... thanks Troy, your the man!

[@Koopwins]

Your channel is so helpful. Thank you for taking so much time to edit/produce videos for us dummies!

[@mikeyoung4988]

FACTS ARE FACTS JACK. Id like to meet some of these people that dissagree with you RF. Thanks for all you do man.

[@teeyeet]

Just shot my first deer with a bow since 2012. Was shooting 605 grains with a Magnus Black Hornet that was stropped to scary sharp (have a scar on my finger to corroborate). Took a 16 yard broadside shot, somehow shot directly between ribs on both sides into both lungs. I believe just about any set up would have killed the deer efficiently, but am very happy that I had a set up that would have performed very well even if it hadn't been a perfect shot. I do agree with a few of the things that Dudley and others preach, practice is just as important as an adult arrow, but why not do both? Perfect arrow flight, razor sharp broadheads, and a ton of practice just takes out as many of the variables as possible and gives me the best chance of success.

[@cjr4497]

Troy, Deer & Deer Hunting put one of these out with 3 placements. The deer was quartered to slightly and the front leg was way back. One of the "preferred" shot locations promoted by D&DH was back of the liver/stomach! One was liver/back lungs. The other was okay, middle lung. I was shocked. No wonder the dog tracking facebook pages are going wild. People wanting to aim "behind the shoulder" no matter what is a major problem. Scanning the comments on the FB posts sharing the same photo was disappointing. Very few saw the obvious error.

[@Koopwins]

Ranch has said multiple times that his shot placements are only for those shooting proper arrows. The vital v isnt that good with wet noodles and flappers

[@joeltgardenier]

Troy keep doing what your doing you are helping real hunters who pay for there own stuff not so called hunters who have everything paid for them .and I'm curious how many deer they loose a year from the crap they push.

[@markhess6061]

You have done nothing but help people. I was introduced to Ed Ashby 25 years ago and have always preached to blades and heavier arrows. It has always worked and it has been a difficult journey persuading people. Worked in Archery Shop for three years and I pushed it so hard. It was always a fight with the owner. Thanks again for spreading the word.

[@markeppinger6275]

I always have top of the line equipment,always. Always practice all year long, shot placement has never been an issue, equipment never an issue. I almost quit archery hunting before I was introduced to your info, I don't know, six yrs ago. I thought it was me, watching deer run off with my arrow, poor penetration, starting to shoot back because of it. I know I don't need 700 grain arrows to harvest a deer. You and your info gave me my confidence back and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I love archery and almost lost my only true passion if it weren't for you. There's gonna be know it all's. You know what, they'll thank you too when they fail and need your it. Keep up the great videos. Remember you can only lead a horse to water. Some jack asses just won't drink

[@ranhen8951]

I appreciate all you wisdom, fairly new archer, long time rifleman. Keep up the good work and fuck the hates

[@bikerbrandon1]

I follow logic and reason that's why I watch ranch fairy. I think a lot of the guys trashing this channel are trying to steal some of your thunder because people want to buy your stuff and and set up their bows like you or at least with your guidance and not the other guys. Keep being the best place for bow info in my book.

[@jam9762]

Perfect. Bought 6 RF 200. Dropped an eight pointer within 40 yards. Vital V pass thru hit. Deer stopped running within 40 and fell over dead. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@gradyfuller4880]

As always Sir, the truth hurts some peoples feelings. Keep up the great work.

[@wirenutz9044]

Keep the great content coming Troy!

[@davidcerone3998]

My 590 setup has spoken for itself time and again. Also at 60 plus yards, they have never heard it coming. Run for a split second and expire quickly. Love the fairy dust, get you some of that!!!! Awesome work Mr Fowler.

[@contemporaryprimitiveman3469]

I visualize the anatomy in 3D. Instead of aiming at a spot on the animal's hide (like a 2D flat target), I aim for the internal vital organs, then the angles don't matter. It has worked for me for 40 years.

[@rohlfing63]

If I watch one more bowhunting video where the guy or gal exclaims "smoked him" while the deer runs off with an arrow which only has 6-12" of penetration sticking out of the side, I'm gonna puke. I've had a lot of good plan A results with the bow and crossbow, mechanicals, and 400-ish grain arrows, but one failed plan B hit on a doe a couple of years ago has me convinced that my old days of fixed blades and heavy shafts are the days I need to return to. Great content Troy, keep it coming.

[@michaelpennell6344]

Troy, It is soooo refreshing to watch your videos as I have been preaching this very thing for 40 years. Top of the heart. I honestly can't remember ever gut shooting a deer either. The majority of the archery target manufacturers don't help matters since the inserts are almost always set too far back and promote the 4 inches behind the V as a ten ring. Keep up the good work educating the flapper crowd. lol

[@twl10101]

That is why I never bought a 3D target. Started bow hunting in early 80's and just shot standard targets with 1-1/2" fluorescent dots for accuracy. I knew where the heart was and always aimed for it. Never lost a deer or hog and had short blood trails to follow if I wasn't able to see the animal drop. What gets me about the people talking bad about Troy is, they all seem to be on this kick about shooting elk at 80 yards +/- with 80 pound bows. When the majority of bow hunters I have seen are shooting at whitetails at less than 30 with less poundage. Hell, I'm a big guy and only shot 63lbs with a 32" draw length using old Easton xx75 arrows with 150gr fixed 3 blades. I did always sharpen them out of the package because I didn't trust them to be sharp enough.

[@JNA9212]

Ive gotten way more knowledge now by watching your videos for sure.

[@thebaitdrop]

I’ve started to get back into archery after taking a 30 year break. Ran across your channel and I was doing it all wrong lol. 400 grain arrows at most, including the 85 grain g5. Fast forward to 2024 706 grain Sirius Apollos. Haven’t shot anything yet but it will be a pig 🐗. Stay true!

[@aaronhall765]

Wow congratulations on 69.1 K subscribers 👏! Bowhunter paying attention 🎉

[@portapottyflipper6957]

Took me a long time and a lot of frustration to realize the point that you’re making here. 100% good advice.

[@rynehilsabeck]

EVERYONE in the bow hunting podcast community shits all over you. Don’t worry though, you have a HUGE authentic following and we love your content! So glad you hooked up with the hunting public boys and got them on big boy arrows

[@danorris5235]

Thank you for making content like this. I'm new to archery, but nowhere near unfamiliar with anatomy of game species. This is exactly the subject matter people need to be hearing, and it's so refreshing to know there are other people out there who understand what the inside of a deer actually looks like. And the fact many hunters argue about organ placement tells me they're not even aware of what they're looking at or have never once paid attention when cleaning game. I'm new to your channel, but content like this is a surefire way to turn me into an avid fan.

[@browning7750]

Good job brother! Keep the "scandalous" content coming! 😆😆 In Jan. 2021 in the MS rut, I had a 9 pt hot on a doe. He was 10 yd from me broadside with a bit of qtr to. I put the pin right BEHIND the shoulder when he was moving thru. He moved forward upon release of the arrow. THEY JUST WON'T HOLD STILL LIKE A TARGET WILL THEY!? 🤣🤣 The Magnus Black Hornet punched thru liver and clipped a bit of lung. I got arrow from the soil and crept out til the next morning. About 14 hours after the shot. My dog and I finished him off a few hundred yards with buckshot. Moral of the story. Tuck it tight, super tight in that shoulder because things happen in the deer woods. If I hadn't snuck out...if I hadn't waited til the following morning...if I didn't have a great tracking Lab and a good buddy help....that deer would've most likely went to waste.

[@GenX-Grampa]

Whoo Hoo. Got my Fairy Dust fix!! Could you do a video on crossbow bolts? After a shoulder 10-11 years ago I could no longer (gracefully) pull a bow. So I was introduced to crossbows and love it! I build 20” 625-650 grain 2 blade single bevel bolts and have never NOT had pass throughs. No matter the angle of the animal! I would still love to see you break down a bolt build and try it out on your text medium! A good 400fps and up now can be found at pawn shops for around $200! Then welcome to your next addiction!

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

While reading the comments I was very impressed that someone actually commented on aiming for the exit angle “Opposite shoulder”just makes sense right?!?!kudos to that viewer for reminding everyone of that!!! That said,that advice should be a given!👍🏻

[@blacksrfm]

Generally, speaking, we are personally taught to aim to far back on a deer kind of like center mass and while that will kill, there is much better area to aim at… I think a lot of people don’t understand dear behavior too much and or when to take the shot I think a lot of people just want to get an arrow in the deer and just chuck arrows….. just like you said in your video about the shoulder blade that’ll hinge, and that hinge happens a lot faster if the deer has its head down compared to upright… ever since I started aiming for the exit and where I want my arrow to come out, which is usually on the opposite side shoulder/arm pit area might kill success has went up a lot and they do not run very far

[@andrewwaldron6012]

100% accurate. I was always afraid to shoot to far forward until this year. Shot a buck with my bow right where you mentioned and it dropped 20yards away. Love the content keep it coming!

[@Danyang1]

There’s really no debate here, Troy is right. That is where the best shot placement should be. He is only telling us your best chance of punching through is with a heavier arrow. Great info Troy

[@tristan8537]

What app is that for the vitals?

[@MrBowNaxe]

Once again RF, you are 💯 spot on with your information. Haters gonna hate, keep preaching the truth!

[@johnnewman59]

This info has helped my rifle bullet pavement.

[@jeffreysharp4027]

Great Video !! Thanks for all of the great content you are putting out there !!

[@gregorynewell3637]

I use Easton 1916 aluminum @27" with 200 grains up front out of a 43# long bow.2 blade broad head arrow weight 518 grains.The math works out to 22ish% FOC .they blow right through bone.I always wiat for a clean shot and pass on sketchy ones.I usually nick arteries and hit both lungs by being patient.I never stopped using heavy arrows and will always take power over speed.Great content keep the faith

[@undertheradar9295]

How many lbs is your bow?

[@sambradley5981]

No matter what kind of deer hunting I do I like your videos like this. Some gun Hunter be watching your videos. It drives me nuts when a a guy has a $5k $3,k scope. Then hits the deer high rear mid lung or in the guts, the proceeds to do his best Luke Bryan impressions

[@markblanchette1771]

Great video. Your videos have made me a believer. The results speak for themselves. Very happy with my set up now.

[@JoMammaSmurf]

I have found that people who can't accept the high FOC heavy arrow concept are those who just don't want to start the tuning process over. It can be daunting but holy shit. The results are unbelievable. It's worth the many hours of tuning and research.

[@african7498]

What a difference!! And it doesnt take that long either. Great fun.

[@mr.skeptical3071]

I'm not ready for a 1000 gr. Arrow. But adding a 100 gr. Brass insert and going to rear deployment mechanicals has definitely helped. Also, I now shoot a little lower and more forward now, alot more blood!!!

[@chrismacomber9727]

I did the same 520 grain with a 1.75 titanium expandable and went right throught the spine of a buck last weekend .... now the blades were bent but I just put new ones on lolol

[@Fordamericanboy1]

Last year i upgraded my arrows to 525 grain and im also shooting single bevel broadheads. Last week I shot a deer quartering to me in the vital v and it hit her humerus, completely breaking it and still passing thru behind her rib cage. She went 25 yards. I will only shoot sb broadheads from now on thank you for the advice!

[@choskk]

Great info, what is the name of that app?

[@itzallmenixon318]

I don’t know who can argue with this man there’s a reason all them bones are there protecting the vital organs

[@cooterbrown1703]

Whats the name of the app?

[@GBRbaptist]

Idk how people don’t get this. I watched one video and was like “this makes perfect logical sense”…I live under a rock apparently and it took until this season to stumble upon “adult arrows”…I have a test kit on the way. Was shooting 478gr with coc blades. My goal is to hit the 650gr mark and run 200gr heads. Thank you for all the work.

[@RanchFairy]

It's not discussed with any knowledge of the cardiopulmonary system or a focus on "how" lethality happens.

[@shawncressey6853]

Loving it troy. I'm still looking for the shovel, but I've come a long way.

[@thatotherguy338]

Don't know how you feel about hunting videos games but the way of the hunter has helped me explain shot placement and animal anatomy to younger/less experienced hunters. It has great post shot examination with bullet/arrow path through the vitals with decent physics with bone interaction.

[@carypeaden4147]

What is the name of the app simulator that you are using to get the views of deer internals from various angles?

[@michaelfrederick5250]

Hey Troy, I just re-watched the long range arrow flight vids and got an idea. Have you and Rocket Man ever thought of or tried to figure out how to map out the actual trajectory for all the different weights out to 60? I'd love to se that comparison! No clue how you would do that though lol!

[@RanchFairy]

Here's a fun fact. Broadheads are less aerodynamic and different broadheads CREATE different trajectory curves!!!

[@michaelfrederick5250]

Sooo, you could do it with field points but that goes out the window as soon as you put on a broad head on. Ok, so do it with a broad head but it would only apply to that specific broad head and that goes in the trash when any of the other hundreds of broad heads is used...sweet🤦🏻‍♂️🔫

[@jasondlion]

Im curious some suggestions of setups you would go with? I shoot a hunter xt 460g 29.5 draw 79lb weight qad exodus head. 100g tip with 50g fact weight. How would this compare? Curious on swapping things up and hearing feedback thank you

[@joehendershott2852]

Humerus, shoulder and the ribs are stacked tighter the further forward you go on the rib cage

[@ThirdLawPair]

I find that a lot of these diagrams show the vitals in the place where the author of the diagram wants everyone to aim, not their actual size and location. For example, the lungs are way bigger and go way farther back than most diagrams portray. Well, the lungs also go all the way *forward* to the sternum, but the diagrams always show that the vitals are only to the rear of the humerus and scapula.

[@RanchFairy]

You really need to really look into a real deer and find the diaphragm. NO, they aren't WAY BIGGER.

[@ThirdLawPair]

@@RanchFairy The diagrams show the lungs as being the exact same size as the deflated lungs of a dead deer. If you are using the deflated lungs of a dead deer as a reference, then yes, the diagrams are pretty accurate. For my taste, I like to shoot deer when they are alive. Maybe that's just a personal preference. How about you? kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4KYl56ag5Wnq6s

[@dans6476]

I shoot 60 lbs(bad rotator cuff), a 540 grain arrow and it crono'd 237 fps (and im using a "flipper flapper" 🤣) Would i be better off going for a double lung or in the V? Im so mixed on where to place a shot.

[@jeffhays1968]

It's anatomically correct shot placement. It's also a failure of your equipment if you can't get there. If this was a gun channel there would be no debate at all. Lots of folks have in their head 1950's rifle images of where to shoot, which were wrong then and wrong now.

[@rdude1184]

637 grains, single bevel with this I have broken two Hog shoulders (both hogs 200lbs plus ) and two Buck shoulders 190 and 250lbs live weight. All animals dropped with in 50 to 60 yards. Thank you RANCH FAIRY!!! (My old arrow sysyem did not deliver this kind of performance. )

[@RanchFairy]

That is excellent!

[@hunteranglin3750]

The 6.5 cm at the end hit the nail on the head. Preach to me ranch fairy

[@masonpeace8824]

Hey Troy have you ever used or looked into the CTI(carbon inner tube) by Firenock? Basically a smaller diameter 6” piece of carbon that fits perfectly into the front of the shaft and holds the insert in. It’s supposed to decrease the range of oscillation in the arrow, stiffen the spine, and make the arrow more efficient. It also adds some weight up front so it seems like it’s right up your alley.

[@nevadafitch5647]

I am a big fan of the Ashby type of arrow, and I hate to admit it but I don't always hit exactly where I am aiming. My arrows are about 687 grains, total weight. I am only shooting a 45# Black Widow recurve. My current broadhead of choice is the long Grizzly 3 to 1, single bevel and my FOC is probably about 26 or higher. Saturday, opening day, I shot a nice doe from a tree at only 8 yards or so, but I still messed up and hit at what I would call slightly in front of the Vital V, or at least at the extreme front of the V on a pretty much broadside shot. I could tell by the sound that I had hit a lot of bone, and also did not get much penetration, because I hit so much bone. I did not get an exit. Frankly, I had my doubts about finding this one, and it did go probably 200 yards, with not a lot of blood to trail. But I recovered it, and I am convinced, that a lesser arrow or broadhead, not designed for max penetration, and I would not have bagged this deer. The broadhead did more damage than I expected considering I didn't get a lot of penetration but a lesser arrow or broadhead would have failed in this example. On a light recurve, I need all of the edge I can get and the Ashby type arrow, gives me that.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

I have a question that needs to be addressed!! I am shooting a x-bow at 380fps with a 460total weight with about a 16% F.O.C. b-heads are Magnus k-bees. Now they have an excellent flight…inside 2” at . But when I tighten them to the shaft and then LOOSEN them to be perfectly horizontal with my release angle,my grouping tightened up immensely!! So am I setting myself up for failure with a b h not screwed in tight??? a Now hunting with a loosish b h

[@RanchFairy]

I wouldn't do that. I'd bang out the inserts....if possible and re-glue them with slow cure JB weld. put broadhead on insert and set where you want. Let it dry. Or Maybe a tiny, thin washer under the broadhead as a "spacer"

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

@@RanchFairy thanks for getting back to me! I truly believe that we as hunters,must respect all of the animals we pursue. Not have a good shot angle on the animal-Pass up the shot There is more respect for a hunter that holds back than the others that are hoping everything works in their favor and wounds a living creature. Pass if you don’t have the shot. As long as you don’t spook them you have a good chance of getting another shot in the future. My Opinion

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

@EdAshby words of wisdom from a legend Thank you for that. I am shooting a cross bow “not by choice “ but I ended up reflecting some of my arrows to get them to fly perfectly. In the process the b h alignment changed. As far as washers go I already added 3 brass washers to the heads for an extra 15gr of weight. Giving me around 165gr heads. I build my own arrows for all my archery launchers and these are only 17” of shaft long. Great F.O.C. Just a pain in the butt to get them PERFECT. Thank you again for responding and I hope someday we will meet Take care Mike from Wisconsin

[@scottywhite8917]

RF, I’m using the Ranch Fairy 3 blade broad head, should i steer clear of a forward shot quarrying to? Or do you think it will handle bone should it encounter it? Keep these vids coming! Been vegging on these all year!

[@justinsalzl1517]

I would guess it depends on the quartering to angle, the yardage, the specific game, and your TAW. And obviously, can you wait and get a broadside/quartering away shot? With a 600 grain arrow at 70lbs and 30” draw: A whitetail doe at 10 yards slightly quartering to? Let it fly. A hard quartering to mature bull elk at 60? Too many variables that can go wrong for me. Good luck!

[@scottywhite8917]

@@justinsalzl1517 very true! Best to be cautious and try to get that good shot. Thanks for the insight! I’ll definitely be going for whitetail, going this weekend, I’ll let everyone know how it goes! Thanks again!

[@RanchFairy]

You should steer clear of the quartering in shot with RF three blade.

[@scottywhite8917]

@@RanchFairy Got it! Thanks for all the great info!

[@cjr4497]

arrow weight and how fast is it going?

[@Dankbudzz]

This is why we shoot adult arrows 😂

[@davidbright1489]

RF I SERIOUSLY think you need to put a disclaimer right up front in every video about these being a plan B arrow. As you stated a less efficient/lighter arrow can and will kill but “what if”. Murphy is a SOB and likes to ruin your day…. I killed 2 deer with a .22 hornet as a kid. Knowing better now, I use a real bullet lol. Same goes for arrows, I’d rather OVER KILL the deer, the rock behind it and the dirt vs just barely getting by. As always keep up the good work and let the haters hate.

[@rogersimonds1812]

Killed my biggest deer to date with a bow on 9/15. He came in hard quartering to at 15 yards and stopped. I was at full draw but he wouldn’t move. I’m 20 feet up and with confidence put the pin on his scapula and let fly. Single bevel and 575 grains passed through and he ran 50 yards and tipped over. I should have taken a pic of the scapula and sent it to Troy. 5 years ago I wouldn’t have taken that shot. Now I don’t care what the angle is…I’m letting it fly. Thanks RF…keep it up!

[@adamgruetzmacher-wq6yw]

What app are you using for modeling shot angles?

[@MangrovesToMountainsOutdoors]

Great info, as always, Troy. Are you familiar with Ryan Gill /HuntPrimitive? He's been doing similar studies but with stone points on both arrows and atlatl darts. He's written two books on the subject and has lots of videos analyzing shot placement, broadhead to arrow shaft transition, and arrow lethality.

[@jobo1647]

Now running a 588 gr arrow, 100 grain insert and a 175 single bevel from Grizzlystik. Arrows fly perfect and are hard to keep in a target. Can't wait to put one in a Whitetail shoulder lol.

[@Davidribbingfishing]

Whats the app?

[@Agridefense]

Whats the nsme of the app he mentioned?

[@kennyanstey44]

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

[@danielww9022]

I just noticed that I wasn't subscribed anymore. Not sure how that happened. Anyway, I'm back in the team now. RF for president!

[@surffishermanandcrossbowki9457]

anyone know who the "big names" are that dissed him?

[@cjr4497]

A lot of them really. I like Troy, but he has said some foolishness. The target community doesn't like influence from outside of their ranks. It takes away money from them. They are very careful in their attacks though. They never mention arrow lethality. They just hate on the heavy arrow thing. Also, Troy has made claims about short hunting bows not being accurate. Well, a pro tournament was just won buy guy shooting a hunting bow just to prove a point because Troy said that. Now, it was like a 33" or 34" ata bow, not a 29"-30" so to me it really didn't prove much.

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Great video Troy.

[@menumlor9365]

I’m here because this past weekend I made a liver.

[@throttletwstn9731]

What app is this?

[@rhysmodica2892]

That picture at 03:08 makes me think of that hunting sim available on the app store. Really good 3dof ballistics model and does simulate vital organs on deer etc. It's .22LR stats are a bit weird as the bullet magically speeds up in flight but I blame that on transonics in game. Not that I simulate .22LR for deer anyway. All good rifle rounds work a treat on it. It's very similar although the vital are all red with no blue. The Kristian Stensones one. Yeah looking at it again yes it is. Great game. Matches my ballistic solver but I do wish it supported 6dof for spindrift and such.

[@Cummins-]

Dont worry the angry people at you are really angry at themselves selves do the realization of why they lost the animals they have and are to proud to admit it and be corrected.

[@alexzimmermann5085]

Dude the Creedmoor comment was the best part of the video. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jonathansnyder8686]

is anyone getting whitetail passthroughs on scapula with less than 550 grains? I've bumped my grains up to 475 but really hate arrow flight on most builds higher than that. Im thinking Im right on the edge but dont exactly want to 'test' it out.

[@brandonpigman2725]

Broken humerus hole in far side ribs. But no blood trail. Ha ha. Went 50 yards!

[@W_and_K_Archery]

You were just harping on folks not to long ago using the term “pop” the lungs (we know they don’t physically pop, its an expression) and then you used it at 11:44 in the video, cmon now which is it? Hitting the animal in the most vital part is absolutely key and thank you for clarifying a little more but the most common chatter from folks that have spoken with you when they go into the archery shops is “build a 550-600gr arrow, follow the process, then take the shot lower 1/3 regardless any angle presented at any distance, shouldn’t have to let down anymore due to uncertainty if the setup will work”…… Animals are inconsistent, yeah that shot may work on one then fail on 3 and vice versa, etc. Taking high probability shots, having the discipline to wait / pass on shots you are uncertain of is being a smart hunter (not an impatient lazy one who has to take the shot on every opportunity presented, that mentality leads to more BAD shots). More n more folks want an easy button as they have had a bad experience or two and blame the equipment vs themselves for taking a bad shot. “The animal reacted” they usually always do and even with the most stout setup it could still fail (usually a deflection). There is a balance out there!!! Extreme in either direction is not a good thing either.

[@Kurtdog63]

Preaching to the choir here... Out to about 20 yards or so, aiming at the VITAL V works, but my experience, the further out the deer is, the more likely they are going to drop, AND roll away. Several sour encounters put my arrows HIGH from the drop, and FORWARD from the roll away, to the point where some arrows impacted IN FRONT of the TOP of the shoulder. If you choose to follow the "1/4 of a second rule", this is less likely to happen. 1/4 of your arrow speed determines your "maximum effective range" for hitting an animal BEFORE it can SIGNIFICANTLY move, AND significantly change the point of arrow impact. Having an arrow system that can survive impact, regardless of WHERE the impact is, is also... VITAL.

[@tolt1776]

Aiming at the vital V always works..you miss that's incompetence.

[@african7498]

I wouldnt dream of shooting 1/4 of my bows speed in meters - thats pretty far for most.

[@Kurtdog63]

Divide your feet per second arrow velocity by 12 and that will give the effective yardage. Example - 140 fps divided by 12 is just over 11 yards or 10 meters. Very acceptable range for traditional equipment. @@african7498

[@ZachRE88]

For all my fellow bow hunters in the comments here: I have a short draw length, math says this drops my speeds. Do these heavy arrow systems still work for me? I can comfortably pull and hold 70lbs from a seated position so at least that helps a bit.

[@RanchFairy]

Physics is physics and Inertia is inertia. Yep. Heavy things don't slow down as fast as "fast" things. BUT DON"T GET LOST Perfect arrow flight durable broadhead Sharp broadhead with edges that don't dull Weight forward of Center Narrower broadheads that are longer. its a package. Hit me [e-mail]

[@michaelbushey2787]

Since ive been shooting in the vital "V" , ive recovered alot more animals. Its common sense. ive showed alot of people this very thing.

[@sonnyadams7894]

Absolutely 💯 % correct! Been there, done that.

[@scottpropps4560]

I switched two blade Magnus stingers 150 grain on gold tip nitro 500, bolt weights 594 grains. 220 lb draws within 20 yards I busted through both shoulders on two deer with no problem both deer didn't go 50 yards

[@drdrum1000]

Killed my last 3 bucks in the vital V. Impacted the far leg all 3 times. Aim small miss small!

[@KGrant12081955]

I recommended your videos to someone asking questions about being a new archery hunter. I met (figuratively speaking) one of the folk you mention who disagree with you. He disagreed with my comment saying he should explore your videos by saying you don't know what you're talking about and sealed the deal with the laughing emoji on my comment. We all know that dreaded laughing emoji gives them Jedi powers.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Troy I understand the premise of your videos, I really do! Now don’t get me wrong…every year I practice with all my bows including my X-bow. I love to shoot the factory 400 gr. Arrows!! But that is for the squirrels,rabbits and pheasants. For big game that “yes “ Includes deer,I would never use any setup less than 500gr. Total weight. The right mechanicals will definitely do the job. But a “sharp” fixed blade… don’t care how many blades or bevels”,will definitely make a hit much easier for you! Not going to go into detail on that. But if you’re curious and want to be a more humane hunter,send replies and reasons to the Ranch Fairy.

[@MichaelLakota-vc4tk]

Fellow Bowhunters While trying to learn how to “really” sharpen B-heads and I destroyed 3 Magnus k-bees. Instead of bitching about it I ground them down “With sandpaper” to a SINGLE BEVEL! Wow soooo much easier to sharpen! I mean REALLY sharpen!! Today I’m going to setup multiple cardboard targets to see the rotation of the arrow. Launched from a Ravin R26 @ 380fps 460gr dart with 16% f o c.

[@02LM7]

Just put one in the v yesterday (no not that v) 25 yards, 3 blade fixed on a 545 gr arrow moving 230 fps and it went all the way through and he went about 50 yards and dropped.

[@draggindeeroutdoors]

Great vid, Troy! Dale Earnhardt once said “It doesn’t matter if fans boo or cheer, as long as they’re making noise.” If people are making noise, it means you’re making a difference 🤘

[@realrussclarke]

Love the channel Troy

[@jasonmedlen1324]

I agree 100% with your shot placement abs I try to hit the vital v every time but I do it with a 500 grain set up and a mechanical head with very high success and bones don't stop my arrow when I do hit them on occasion