BPD vs CPTSD

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[@Meowziez]

I think of CPTSD as a multi-layered cake of trauma.

[@buddyparrish4356]

Exactly

[@SCORPIUS.98]

Nice way to look at it, lol

[@johnmorales4581]

I will preface this statement by acknowledging that I am a pessimist. So here goes. What a colorful description you've posed. I suppose that the same can be said for any mentally screwed up person. Wanna dig in?

[@wooplayps4558]

Agreed. For me, childhood hospitalisation, bullying, then homophobia, forgotten traumas, then I worked as a youth worker with highly disadvantaged young people (and their families) for 15 years. Eventually I burnt out and ended up unable to work anymore. I’ve had dissociative episodes recently. It’s all come to a head since being unable to return to work. I’m working with a therapist now. Thank goodness for her!

[@dalcloud8873]

A cake made of shattered dreams and, with a merry icing of heartbreak topped with black holes of emotional sprinkles on a platter of crystal woe. 🍰

[@hanellaaa.5598]

I can’t express how much I appreciate her saying “our” and “we”...

[@christademarco5602]

I know, right? I was like, "OO nice touch! Thank you for the validation!"

[@Lyrielonwind]

Yes. It's heavy the stigma.

[@Lady_Katie]

Yes!!

[@riss237]

Ditto

[@torbs37]

I don't think fear of abandonment should necessarily be considered a BPD-only symptom. Children who experience emotional abuse or emotional neglect can also develop C-PTSD, despite nothing obviously "traumatic" happening. Children who have experienced neglect often grow up to fear abandonment, because they internalize that their needs are too much for people, that they are not worthy of love because their caregivers did not properly care for them, etc. I'd be curious to know how many people with BPD were neglected as children though. Many of the symptoms sound like pretty logical jumps for children who did not learn emotional regulation from their neglectful parents and had to go to extremes to get their parents' attention.

[@PeachPlastic]

I think you're spot-on. It's not surprising that BPD plays out like a dysfunctional attachment style, mainly presenting in social contexts. However, I also think that rejection and neglect can be subjective in the sense that some parents' parenting style may NOT have been neglectful, but leaving the child a lot of space, but then some children really actually want or need much LESS "space", struggling to be independent. My mother refuses therapeutic assessment, but she displays strong signs of BPD, and her parents weren't neglectful. However, she did receive trauma outside of the home at an impressionable age, and maybe that had the effect of her becoming very needy and dependent. So yes, I definitely think that parenting/neglect plays a part in the development of BPD, but saying that those children simply were abandoned isn't going to fit. Some BPD patients' parents are very very hands-on and close, but that need for support and attention just cannot be fulfilled.

[@jordanlangley407]

Absolutely abandonment is a key component of CPTSD fear of intimacy causes people with CPTSD can be in a push/ pull situation wanting love and recognition but disliking intimacy ,Thats one of the key ares to work on in therapy

[@victoriaadeniji2050]

Theae diagnoses are labels for the epurpose of treating people and helping them recover. Every one's experience is unique. I agree that it can be a symptom of both.

[@JanuaryLovesSelena]

I was emotionally abused in childhood occasionally and also emotionally neglected. I was in fear that I was being abandoned at daycare and I would be dropped off without being picked up even though that never happened. It was to the point where I couldn’t stop crying from the minute I arrived to the minute I was picked up without stopping. I was diagnosed with a BPD at 22

[@lisakoy1587]

I agree. I am quite confused atm figuring out what's going on with me, because before my traumatic experiences, I didn't have relationship issues, unstability etc. and all comes from this root of trauma, but I have dealt with fear of abandonment and also felt delusional about the perpetrator, like having an image of him over the moon, which is just like I heard a guy with cptsd and bpd say it feels like having bpd, idealizing people. Right now I don't feel fear of abandonment, and neither did I before the traumatic events, if I would lost a person in my life, I just carried on, I was good enough, I didn't feel like I "needed" someone else. And yes I was neglected as a kid and as an adult. I don't feel this unstability is something that it's going to hunt me forever, I feel like I have to heal the traumatic experiences and it'll go away. Idk, in my past relationships I was in fact the least dependent one, but after the traumatic experiences it flipped because I felt so hopeless. I don't deal with swifting identity issues, but it's true that the trauma and isolation, and mainly psychologist trying to push me into something I am not and imposing me bad things for me and hurting me had led to me to feel depersonalized, but when I kick out external influence, my sense of self and identity gets back and I feel me and proud.

[@Relmyna]

I have cptsd and I basically just want to be left alone. I don't actively seek out anything other than casual acquaintance relationships and my husband and I are essentially roommates.

[@AhsetofAtum]

Rel Same, I really just want the world to leave me alone. Everything is too hard to deal with when all trust in humanity is gone. I'm not living...I'm just surviving.

[@fowlerbookcritic]

OMG you two sound exactly like me!!! Isolation? Check! People accusing me and my hubby of being roommates? Check! I bet being around others is draining for the both of you as well, right? Here’s the thing though. I’ve recently decided that I want to be a food blogger and also make cooking videos on KZbin. You see the problem already, right? I know I need to defeat this childhood crap that’s been controlling my life. I’ve recently gotten fed up and pissed off at my Anxiety Disorders, C-PTSD, Depression (I repress the heck out of my depression though...admittedly to an unhealthy degree.) and I’m also...*gulp* OCPD. Lots of work cut out for myself but I’m determined, it’s ON with those demons from my past! I’ve recently created a FB group “Warriors: Mental Blueprints for Defeating Childhood Trauma” I have ZERO plans for ever making money off it. I only decided that if I’m doing this I want to take as many of my fellow survivors who feel the same way as me along for the journey. I’m making videos mostly in the group to help me and my other members. At the moment, just because it’s new, it’s still “secret group” but once I get a few more videos in there I’ll turn it into a “closed group” so that you can find it and still talk through your growth journey in a safe place. Just let me know if you’re interested in getting in and I’ll come back here and let you know when I turn it into a closed group. We’ve been through enough BS in our lives. It shouldn’t have to dictate over the rest of our lives! ❤️

[@deathboi3998]

Wow i feel the exact same i always do the joke of "cat patner type" i am, but. Us not related to it tho

[@natureshorts6657]

That's pretty much exactly how I felt before I recovered from C-PTSD; I just wanted to be left alone. I couldn't even maintain any romantic relationships because I wasn't able to really care or invest in them at all. I realized that was very unfair to the other person, so I avoided all relationships that were anything more than very casual for a number of years. I was very socially isolated. Once I recovered (the book From Surviving to Thriving helped a lot), I am still somewhat socially isolated but much less so, and I am able to invest in relationships. I feel like I'm kind of starting from scratch though because I isolated myself from people, even past friends and family members, for so long, and I know most people wouldn't understand.

[@desirelabelle2199]

@@fowlerbookcritic I shall join your group and yep I feel its draining to be with people and feel better off alone.

[@amandab3946]

I’ve self isolated for the past 3 months. Ignored friends. No therapist. Skipped assignments and class. I’ve been struggling with suicidal thoughts (not actions). I was always unsure whether I was cptsd or bpd. There’s so much stigma around the two illnesses I don’t tell anyone for fear they’ll google and find all the incorrect conjecture. Thanks Katie for sounding so forgiving and accepting. This video made me feel less alone. I wish you were my therapist!

[@dee...]

Amanda B hey, just wanted to say that I hope things get better for you soon. I'm sorry you're suffering and I can really empathise. Some mental health professionals and some of the general public can be complete douchebags with regards to stigma, but I promise you that there are people out there who are incredible (just like Katie) who will treat you as a human being and give you respect and compassion. Reaching out for help is scary as hell and takes immense courage but the reward when you find a good therapist is just beyond words. Healing is possible. Please don't give into those suicidal urges. Take care.

[@XRXONE]

I’ve been the same . It’s been 2 years :(

[@gothmedli]

i relate

[@Amy-ms6wj]

I'm in the same boat. There are a lot of us out there...and I agree with Heather. I wish we had our own group! I'm not on Facebook anymore, but if you guys are; you should make a group! Even if we are faw away we can still talk. Or we can go on messenger. I will do that. If anyone wants to talk, I'm a good listener and have been told I'm pretty good st advice. I've been through a lot of things so I can relate pretty easily. Addiction, moleststion, rape, prostitution, abusive relationships, abusive father, homelessness, I've had friends die...etc...so I can definitely relate to a lot, and have a lot of info and knowledge on psychology. My email is: [e-mail] Email me anytime!

[@fiberinspiretahoe9177]

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[@crystalblue3842]

I have C-PTSD from my abusive childhood. It has wreaked absolute havoc over my entire life. Everyday I want to rip my damaged brain out of my skull & hurl it out the window.

[@db-ec1oz]

No joke I consider a lobotomy near all the time my head/brain can't deal with things

[@Elya08]

💕 Praying for you. I also have CPTSD. It’s um… Yeah. I feel as if my brain has gone through a blender some days., so I feel ya.

[@Anonymous-vu8qq]

This resonates

[@starrystarrynight52]

This is really interesting. My ex-husband was diagnosed with BPD, but that was more than 20 years ago. But this is making me wonder if he had CPTSD instead. He had all the symptoms, and it doesn't line up BPD all they way. He had a drug and alcohol problem. He had a fear of abandonment. He also had a traumatic childhood. But sadly in the end he took his own life, almost 7 years ago this month. I wonder if he had been diagnosed with CPTSD instead, if he would have gotten the help he needed.

[@atlepedersen6945]

Im so sorry for you loss!!! Wish you all the best! I thought i had only bpd.. but this video was a mind shocker.. I can relate to everytyhing with cptsd, trauma not in childhood, but girlfriend issues, but traumatic, very... Sorry you lost your loved one, so sad :(Wish you all the best! Move forward, he would want you to!

[@jerryjones9683]

My boyfriend also took his life, he believed he had bpd however at the time his therapist wouldn’t put it on paper because he said insurance would be reluctant to cover his treatment because of the poor success rate with bpd. Bpd also has the highest suicide rate, not sure if this was due to lack of adequate treatment at the time

[@AmberAmber]

I'm so sorry💔

[@kimberlygabaldon3260]

starrystarrynight52 - My deepest condolences for you loss.

[@jordanlangley407]

So sad his struggle and that CPTSD was not considered ,,Again as I said abandonment is a part of CPTCD and many assessing and treating CPTSD do not realise this

[@Kaizykat]

It took me 19 years to come upon C-PSTD. I've been in therapy since I was 6. It took opening up to new friends who didn't know me as a kid to make me realize a lot of what I went through as a kid was NOT okay. For example, they had to tell me that it was NOT normal to run and hide from your parents when they were angry. Or that it was NOT okay for my father to get into a full on fist fight with me when I was less than 10 because he was angry with me. They also had to put the fact that a child psychologist told my parents to say that if I was bad I would be put into an institution and that I would never see them again. The psych also told me this directly at 6-years-old. My "formal" diagnosis (after taking a 200+ question test with a psychologist) is as follows: Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Avoidant Personality Disorder with Borderline features, and Dependent Personality Disorder with Borderline features. I can tell you right off the bat that I have neither APD nor DPD. The diagnosis doesn't fit. I don't have problems with things like making decisions for myself and avoiding social interactions. No one wanted to tag me with BPD because of its stigma and that I'm a "nice girl". Meaning that I'm not hellish to work with like a "typical" Borderline patient (which is bull). So symptoms that I've had for years had gone unaddressed. I really wish that C-PTSD would have been incorporated into the DSM-V. It'd make it so much easier to get some kind of help. And if anyone else has had the same problems I've had: I'm sorry. You did NOT deserve what you've been through.

[@neverhaddachance]

You would be amazed... I'm also in shock that CPTSD isn't recognized in the DSM there are many therapists who aren't familiar with the effects of prolonged and repeated trauma. I highly suggest that if you are not receiving the care that you need to seek out a professional who IS familiar. I had a family doctor send me to HIS DAUGHTER (out of network and everything) for a second opinion, then proceed to tell me that they both thought I was helpless by choice instead of hearing how badly I wanted to die. If I would not have had support in place with a therapist I may have given up. Please take care of yourself, and know that you aren't alone. Just because the scared kids inside of us internalize pain some people just don't realize how we've adapted to survive. The point is that we do :)

[@ms.docileone]

what is amazing to me is that so many therapists and doctors tend to ignore the fact i was raped continuously from the age of 9 until around age 15! frustration in the extreme!

[@Kaizykat]

Oh God, that's horrible! You shouldn't had to have gone through that. If you're interested in learning more about C-PTSD and the way that trauma changes the brain, the book "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk goes over it in great detail.

[@2Bonita08]

11 29th

[@theblackenedphoenix]

I was told I had dependent personality symptoms too. I actually started laughing. I had been a single mom living in my own home with no support for a decade. Um try again. lol

[@zonderbaar]

The overlap between CPTSD and BPD is so huge that I am quite sure they are the same thing. They do have a different history goal coming from different schools of thought and teaching in psychotherapy. The Borderline diagnosis stems from a time where there was not much understanding for trauma. In later studies it was found out that over 85% of borderline diagnosed patients remember severe multiple or ongoing childhood traumas. Also we know that a very deep trauma can be completely removed from conscious memory and surface only much later in life.

[@VIDS2013]

They're not the same thing. Behaviorally, they are clinically indistinguishable. However, BPD manifests brain structure anomalies that CPSTD does not. BPD is secondary psychopathy.

[@HomeFromFarAway]

​@@VIDS2013cptsd absolutely results in brain structure changes. specifically in the hippocampus and amygdala

[@VIDS2013]

@@HomeFromFarAway Not the same as in BPD.

[@lizzy-wx4rx]

@@thebigscreentheory That's very interesting! Do you have any examples you could give of how you've noticed differences in the people in your life. (Right now I think I have on of these--but not sure which one. I had a mother with NPD and a father who was normal except for when he was raging, but I was never abused, so I just don't know...)

[@colbysl1]

@@VIDS2013 Spoken like a psychopath....

[@jakesmitham8180]

I came out of a coma, with no memory, and went through years of misdiagnosis. There was depression, bi-polar disorder, BPD, there was just no help. And bit by bit I built up a partial personal history through many severe flashbacks. I learned that I had gone through sexual torture and rape, from birth on, then sexual and ritual abuse by 4 different adults. Nothing helped until I was diagnosed with C-PTSD. I am now working one couple of books, one a work of fiction based on my experiences, the other dealing with C-PTSD, its causes and symptoms, as well as tips to work through these. I never had a normal 'self,' but am finally coming to a sense of normalcy.

[@ashpapp]

Jake Smitham I would love to read your book. You sound like an amazing survivor

[@mynameismudd2310]

Cudos to you! I would rather read a book of input from the source of experience. Rather than an outside opinion looking in! For someone to share without these experiences. It feels more like finger pointing than anything. The reason we are like this doesn't come from within us. It's caused by outside trauma that we have to process within us.

[@gypsyfoster125]

Jake Smitham you’re a hero to be alive mate. Seriously well done for being alive today. You’re an inspiration. 💜

[@lynneshale7443]

I came out of a coma, with very little memory when I was 11. I started keeping a diary in case it were to happen again. Idk if I'm BPD or cptsd. I just know life can be awe inspiring but mostly filled with suffering.

[@Heartbreaker1999-o5s]

Omg I'm so sorry . I pray Ur better now 🙏 i cant imagine how horrible that would have been 😔

[@ladysovere4558]

I have both CPTSD and BPD, I have found family systems therapy, sensorimotor therapy, and attachment theory focused approaches incredibly helpful. Symptoms have decreased, and I’m able to experience a sense of boundary of my self and what it is to be a human being.

[@ketsuban]

LOL all my therapists can't tell if it's BPD or CPTSD they are so similar.

[@wandalester7253]

How many therapists do you have.?

[@ketsuban]

Wanda Lester I’ve just had to try a few to find the right one.

[@wandalester7253]

@@ketsuban good, l've had 4 over the years that were very good and a few that didn't understand. I'm so tired of being on high alert. I get upset with myself when l jump at everything, but my body just does it!

[@wandalester7253]

@@ketsuban wish you well!

[@ketsuban]

@@wandalester7253 thank you my dear

[@Shy__wolf]

I hate having bpd. I find I can't get the help I need because I have bpd. I also find there's just as much stigma surrounding bpd within mental health professionals as there is with your average jo

[@animalcrackers8880]

Rainbow Butterfly I hear you. I think my previous therapist thought I had BPD; she would ask me if I agreed with certain criteria for BPD, i would sincerely think on it and for most of it, say no. Then she'd push and be like "but are you sure?" I was. She eventually became pretty unkind and then in the end, ghosted me. If a therapist doesn't think they are equipped to help, they should really just be honest and say so. On the bright side, if those therapists don't want to help, you can quickly weed them out and know they weren't right for you. Good luck finding someone who works for you ♡ I'm still searching as well. Even at one point my bf had been convinced I had BPD. I remember him being all freaked out and I asked what was wrong. Basically, I had been having increased nightmares and was terrified of being alone at night. If I'd wake up from one and be alone, I didn't know how to feel safe and would either drink or feel really helpless, trapped, and then suicidal. If I had him there, he could even wake me up if he noticed I was having nightmares. I'm not terrified of being abandoned; I actually expect it. It disappoints me, but I don't jump through hoops to avoid it. He thought me not wanting to be left alone at night and self injuring meant I had BPD. I told him I didn't think I did, looked it up, realized I definitely didn't. Soon after my long-term psychiatrist diagnosed me with PTSD and two different therapists suggested I had CPTSD. I don't really get the stigma around BPD. I think fears of those with BPD are way inflated, or maybe they don't have BPD or they have a mixed diagnosis. For example, I have an ex in law that definitely suffers from it. The condition generally hurts no one but herself. My mom could possibly fit the criteria, but knowing her more deeply I think she has NPD and she hurts herself but does also hurt others who she feels in competition with, who disagree with her/threaten her world view, or who remind her of herself.

[@dee...]

Rainbow Butterfly I just want to say that it's not your fault you have bpd. I also understand how hard it is to find the right professional help when so many people have very negative assumptions about bpd. But I promise you there are really great professionals out there who aren't judgemental and don't have prejudice against those with bpd. Unfortunately it's a matter of trial and error which is so difficult when you're feeling anxious about reaching out for help. But when you do find the right therapist it is truly life changing. You can do this. Please don't give up. You might feel like all you are is your diagnosis and the stigma attached but you are so much more and you deserve to be treated with kindness and respect like any other living being.

[@Shy__wolf]

Debbie thank you! I've been in the mental health service for years as I was diagnosed when I was 21 and I'm now 29. So I've had therapist, care coordinator,counsellors and ive seen psychiatrists. I tried to get help with my anxiety last year as it was getting in the way of my university studies to the point I couldn't go in. I was rejected from Mind 3 times without a good reason. All they did was give me places I could go to one of which was starfish. The counsellor I saw at Mind before was great and we connected so I could trust her. They weren't even passing the message on about me wanting an appointment with her. I bumped into her in the street which is how I found out as she's told me to put a complaint in. I wasn't getting anywhere with them so I tried the place called starfish. The assessment was awful as the women I felt was trying to catch me out lying even though I wasn't. She had me on edge. I didn't tell her straight away about my bpd as I was there for my anxiety and not for that but as soon as I told her I could see alarm bells going off in her brain. I've never before nearly walked out of an assessment. I sat there in tears. She told me I'm to much of a risk for their services and that she wouldn't be able to continue with me ( this was my first appointment) so she has refered me back into the mental health system. When I had my appointment with a women from the mental health system she said about her referring me to mind ( my head almost exploded) I agreed. Maybe she can get them to do their job. I feel if Mind had given me the help I needed with my anxiety i would have never have got to the point of me not being able to go to uni. Now my studies are suffering and I'm worried I'm going to get kicked out as I'm so behide and it's made my anxiety worse The whole system in the UK is screwed up. I've came across some nice people who see me and not my diagnosis but they are far and few. 💚

[@melissaport3789]

A Nicole i

[@aFoxyFox.]

Is the stigma around bpd people being considered notoriously difficult to deal with and highly unpleasant?

[@boring_cringename]

I never felt as good described as you did in the first two minutes. Some sentences felt like a bullet, directly hitting my heart, although I’m totally not used to people(but my mother, here in a negative way) being able to hit my feelings or even understand. So thanks for making me feel more comfortable with the feelings I have. I will go cry now because it’s goth.

[@danielamonaghan6889]

I hope you had a good goth cry

[@pishwa]

Thank you for this!! I recently got diagnosed with BPD by a psychiatrist who believes that and CPTSD are the same thing and this helps cement for me that it was the wrong diagnosis, I’m definitely going to be seeking a different mental health professional.

[@scarred10]

Probably doesnt matter if he focusses on treating your symptoms.

[@tetrahexaeder6312]

I got a diagnosis of BPD 5 years ago while being in a DBT program. It sure helped and at the same time it was damaging to my self-perception. I constantly had the subliminal feeling that I was put in a box that didn't fit me. I am not a violent person that lashes out at others and I am not manipulative through self-destructive or suicidal actions. I never threatened anyone with ending a relationship. But therapists treated my like that. Whenever I discussed a negative relationship with them they tried to find my wrong perception about other people (a.k.a. splitting) and told me that my reactions were over the top to what horrible friends or partners did to me. I've already been completly unsure about my self-worth and felt like no one cares for me or stand by me, and on top of that I was painted as the bad person. I feel like a horrible, evil person since then even more than before the clinic. I guess the BPD diagnosis reduced my self-worth even more and my traumas weren't even considered as an explanation for my behaviour then. I couldn't trust my own perception for four years! Whenever I thought about someone negatively (for a perfectly reasonable reason) I was afraid that I was 'splitting' on them. I'm glad that I found a therapist that works with me on the traumas and changed the BPD diagnosis into a CPTSD diagnosis instead.. feels much more fitting and helpful to me.

[@CoyowolfFoxCoywolfFox]

I have CPTSD and I always found it weird that I attract so many BPD people in my life, but it makes a lot of sense. The biggest thing I’ve noticed is that if trauma is involved, they’re usually a lot younger and it’s sort of an emotional neglect situation and mine were more circumstantial

[@tetrahexaeder6312]

I've also been a BPD magnet for the most part of my life. I was labled BPD as well but after talking to a new therapist she doesn't consider me Borderline at all but instead said my problems stem from developmental traumas and CPTSD is a much more suitable diagnosis for my issues.

[@legendofayda]

I love your videos relating to BPD. Your channel is what lead me to firmly feel like I had BPD. I sought out help and I’ve been doing sessions with a psychiatrist since then and she diagnosed me. Thank you so much!

[@amandab3946]

Ayda Moftah I hope you continue to make great progress in spite of this horrid disorder that brings with it so much pain. Nice work! :)

[@Katimorton]

You are so welcome! I am happy to be a helpful resource :) xoxo

[@legendofayda]

Thanks! Being in a good state of mental health is a lengthy road but I've felt so much better since starting. There's just something about being able to speak completely unfiltered to somebody impartial.

[@a.murphy1270]

I know your comment was simple but it was what i needed to see. Ive been searching for just 1 thing to hang onto. I've had the worst month, and emotionally I feel dead inside. You reminded me I'm not alone in this struggle. I need to really try and get the help i need, my entire life has been taken over by this. Ive been misdiagnosed as bi-polar my entire life but I've never felt like I identified with any of the information I was given on that disorder. Ive also never felt like i can relate to mood disorders in general. Ive been so desperate for any answers after 15 years of this. I started to look into personality disorders and i have never related to anything more. I don't get a break and go into "manic" periods. I always feel like I'm... underwater. I almost drowned when i was veryyy little and all i remember is the pressure, the water was so heavy it sucked me right under in a millisecond. And thats all I can relate it to. Thank you for reminding me I'm not alone.

[@jessicalaframboise3675]

A. Murphy same here :( I have been doing so bad lately

[@Lillie-mae.Edwards]

I asked this on twitter too! Thank you as always Kati. I have CPTSD as you know. I still love my family despite everything. This was so helpful. I’ve never been diagnosed with a personality disorder but seen people been diagnosed with one or the other despite having recurrent trauma. Forever showing people on my course these videos. Future paramedics of the U.K. are well informed with mental health. ♥️

[@amarishildenhigh5098]

I have PTSD and am 100% I also have BPD. I know how deterring it could be as you recover and I just wanted to say a brief thank you for staying strong. ♥️

[@Katimorton]

Yes you did!!! I am so glad you found the video helpful :) xxoo

[@heiroot]

@@Katimorton have you done a cptsd not based from war?

[@DShinesforhim]

Thanks so much for doing this. Spouse has BPD, and I learned that I have C-PTSD from watching these kinds of videos. Both of us are in therapy, and this info is so helpful.. it's saving our marriage. So grateful for what you do! TY!

[@amysinger2201]

I'm with John Briere; if we really understood childhood trauma, the DSM would be reduced to a pamphlet. The issue I run into with this, is that although my therapist says I have cptsd, my psychiatrist keeps trying to treat me for bipolar or bpd. The treatments have never worked, which I think shows even more so that I do not have those disorders! I really struggle to assert myself and have my therapist contact her before each meeting, but it still comes up...

[@theRealCrazyOne]

Preach! :)

[@SK-no2pp]

DBT therapy, meditation, mindfulness, journaling, yoga, being grounded in nature

[@maricellakline1329]

I’m a graduate student (MSW) and I’ve just found your page. So helpful! Thank you

[@Katimorton]

Yay! So glad I could be a helpful resource :) xoxo

[@CleanGreenNappyLLC]

Thank you for this video. I’ve often wondered if I have BPD but knew that I had PTSD. CPTSD is new to me so this helped me a lot. It definitely fills the gaps of symptoms I have that don’t fit any other box.

[@AquaMarineO1]

Youre the only person that makes me feel like having bpd is okay. Your content is very emotionally friendly, and i really appreciate the way you make your videos suit a wide range of viewers. Time and time again Ill click on a video basically saying all people with bpd are horrible, cheating, lying and manipulating monsters that have 0 empathy and force people to stay captive in my life. Ive grown to hate my illness and myself and my identity disturbance makes me believe its all true, and ill have an entire comment section telling me to commit suicide because of my diagnosis. Ive grown terrified to even googling my illness or telling anyone or talking about it. But i know if its posted by you, i know someone cares about my feelings. Feelings matter. Thanks for all of your very informative, positive and gentle content. Makes me cry tears of joy.

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

[@nalydia27]

Hi, my dad and my sister have BPD. They are sometimes the sweetest, most loving, sensitive, and compassionate people that I know. Much kinder than other people. And I love that about them and I respect that and admire that about them. They can also hurt people around them very badly, but most of all hurt themselves by pushing people who care about them most away. I think if they had gotten help, things would be different for them and for our family. I know it’s hard because there’s a lot of people that don’t understand BPD, but the people who do understand know just how amazing you guys really are. And the strength it takes to get help and manage each day. I admire people who have BPD and are willing to face it and get the help they need. I think it’s amazing and truly admirable.

[@ceallaighkirk8679]

I see you've been doing your homework. Thank you! This is a big step up from the video I saw a while ago on CPTSD that you did in 2015. But we (people with CPTSD) still won't get the proper diagnosis because CPTSD isn't in the DSM, but you know that. I've been struggling with CPTSD for years, and my symptoms only worsen while waiting on the field to catch up. It just adds to my frustration. I sometimes wonder why I keep holding out, but I tell myself that's my evil inner critic talking. I would rather just be left alone, though. I don't feel like putting up with people, and I don't expect them to put up with me. Most of them wouldn't understand my world anymore than I understand theirs.

[@DarlingsDomain]

I have cptsd thank you for doing this

[@Katimorton]

Of course :) xoxo

[@ItsMyArtSpace]

I know I’m being silly on such a heavy subject. After listening to this I see C-PTSD as a cat and BPD as a dog. Cats are you want to leave there’s the door. Dogs have to be with you 24/7. I have done both in my life time. Mostly I’m there’s the door. I will just move on.

[@mirandabutler9766]

Analogies are very helpful! Thanks 😉👍

[@bas.artistry]

That was a really great analogy for separating the abandonment issues from the disorders.

[@ItsMyArtSpace]

@@bas.artistry I think that's one of the main things that separates BPD from other disorders. I could be wrong.

[@ryanliberty]

I think they're very similar but as you said, what's causing them is what needs to be focused on. What are our bodies reacting to that make us have these symptoms? How do we feel about and think about the symptoms? I suspect that for a lot of people the answers will be the same, but everyone is different. Treatment should always be tailored for the individuals needs.

[@davidtichborne2912]

Causes are often the same

[@p.a.7075]

Wow...that was so interesting, I need to watch that again to get everything straight! This was one of the most comprehensive videos I've yet seen from you. I appreciate the thorough review as well as the well-prepared and thoughtful presentation of such complex information. Your descriptions in every single video I've viewed thus far, have been en pointe. To offer information on such diverse and challenging topics in such a clear and concise manner is not easy, yet you do so seemingly effortlessly. Thank you!

[@Katimorton]

Awe thanks Patricia :) I am so glad you are finding the videos informational and helpful!! xoxo

[@ranicalerp7765]

BPD, as I have learned it, is also born from trauma. It's an attachment trauma that isn't able to be remembered but is still felt and stuck in the body. I think that's an important point to make because those with BPD HAVE experienced trauma.

[@Chelseasea1010]

Yes I thought BPD was caused from trauma too.

[@colbysl1]

Even this "therapist" is an idiot with regards to this misinformation

[@reedibymb8687]

Can fear of abandonment refers to entirely avoiding having intimate relationship with anyone and not trusting your parents or friends enough to share emotions?

[@SocialLocust]

Yes, but an extreme fear of intimacy can be avoidant personality disorder.

[@carinfreimond8080]

That sounds like trauma.

[@urbansetter1]

Yes. It falls under social and sexual anorexia and it is also a big symptom with ppl with CPTSD.

[@Siberius-]

Depends. Plenty of reasons to avoid intimate relationships. The 2nd bit can come from a fear of judgement, people not accepting you, etc. for example (so can the first bit).

[@FN-kj1nz]

Yeh

[@andreaestrada5425]

I want to say to you that watching one of your videos has helped me go back to my psychiatrist. I had a complete break down a couple days ago and I’m back on medication. Thank you! ❤️

[@Emily-fd5gt]

This is so useful Kati!! I was also diagnosed with BPD whilst in-patient and it never felt quite right, half the symptoms were incredibly accurate whilst the others I didn't relate to at all! I found this incredibly difficult to make sense of until recently my therapist started discussing CPTSD with me and it just felt like it clicked and I almost felt relieved. You're right, just because a professional told you one thing, if it doesn't feel right then maybe it is't right! Thanks as always Kati xx

[@AstridMartin666]

I have ongoing CPTSD and BPD. Your videos have helped me through the past few years and now I'm finally seeing therapists. One for CBT & DBT and one for EMDR. I'm so excited to start healing. Never thought I would get this far as I have agoraphobia and a TBI but I'm on my way to some kind of normalcy and emotional regulation and can't wait to FINALLY feel better. Thank you for your channel.

[@dcaius1679]

I've commented on your video about BPD already about this, and yeah, having read extensively about CPTSD, I'm not convinced by the explanations. BPD seems to be a name for one of the many ways CPTSD expresses. It's worth noting that BPD is recognised in the DSM whereas CPTSD, even though the appellation emerged in 1992 with Judith L. Herman's excellent book "Trauma and Recovery" (where she talks about patients diagnosed with BPD, btw), has yet to be included. And as a result, in France, CPTSD is virtually unknown as a diagnosis, it exists nowhere, and the whole field of psychotraumatology is mostly a hot flaming mess of denial. BPD, on the other hand, is very well-known... Of course our society would rather diagnose traumatised people with a personality disorder than any type of post-traumatic stess disorder. It's a shame. That being said, the resources about BPD seem to be extremely useful in many ways (for people diagnosed with BPD as well as for people diagnosed with CPTSD).

[@sobrevida157]

Thank you! I agree. I feel in a few years, most all of our chronic problems, whether mental, emotional, or physical, will be recognized as coming from some sort of childhood trauma. I think diagnoses perpetuate the feelings of helplessness. "I can't do anything: I have BPD, ADHD, Anxiety Disorders, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Learning Disabilities. .. .It may be a relief to have a diagnosis, like "It isn't my fault." but it leaves us powerless.

[@MG-qh1qi]

@@sobrevida157 My adhd dx has empowered me and made the world make sense. I finally get to be the person I strived so long to be and worked hard at but couldnt ever reach that desire point. Dx do not have to convey learned helplessness, it is all in the way it is presented. My children know their adhd well, and they know they can achieve anything they want, the more they know about their brain and how it ticks, allows them to be more efficent and finding solutions and problem solving. It also aids them in have grave for themselves, and understanding their peers better even though their peers are more NT.

[@colbysl1]

This is so stigmatizing!! Those with BPD are the strongest warriors!!

[@garenevans535]

first i'd like to say thank you to kati as she is the first person who has truly helped me with understanding more about mental health and personality disorders, i am diagnosed with depression and anxiety but have always felt that it was just part of the issue, after watching her videos on BPD and several other personality disorders, i feel, enlightened. the fear of abandonement is a feeling i know all too well, i am ashamed to say that i have been that person who has threatened and also attempted to take my own life due to the fear of abandonment, i self-harm, i used to suffer from anorexia and bulimia, although i still have bulimic tendencies, im hyper-critical of myself in every way, i beat myself up for any bad reaction, mentally and physically, i often think my friends don't actually like me and they wish i wasnt here, i tell myself, they're my mates but it doesnt stop my thoughts, im extremely pessimistic, i always believe that the worst can and probably will happen, i become attached to new partners quickly but because of the sharp turns my thoughts can take, i end up saying thing i don't mean, eventually they leave and im back to square one, self-harm, bulimia and suicide attempts usually follow, about 2 weeks ago i had another episode that resulted in the loss of a relationship, i quickly turned to the razor, i cannot recall ever feeling so low, i couldnt find the willpower to do anything except lay there, then about a week ago, i attempted to take my own life, my thought process at the time was if im no longer here, i won't hurt anymore but also, i won't be able to hurt others. over the last few days i've researched personality disorders, especially BPD due to a friends advice, he knows a couple people with BPD and said he believes that this is what i could be suffering from. I have decided that i need help, in order to do that, i must get a diagnosis, i just feel that the videos on this channel helped me understand more about why my thoughts play out the way they do, why i act the way i do, say the things i do and the feelings of sheer regret and hatred for the way my mind works, this comment became a chapter, sorry, i just had alot to say. mental health issues are no joke, they can seriously affect a persons quality of life, its tough to understand for anyone, whether you have mental health issues or not, you're doin an amazing thing by increasing mental health awareness, im sure plenty more people feel this way too so thank you again

[@nalydia27]

garen evans So glad you found an explanation for what was going on and now you can get help. Some mental illness is life long and can’t be treated or required medication for the rest of your life, but BPD can be treated and you can live a much happier, healthier life.

[@lexxilove9894]

This has helped me a lot. I have been talking with someone for about 8 months now. My ex MIL told me she thought I had BPD...she said she was diagnosed years ago but was "cured" (based on my observations, this is 100% false). My therapist, however, believes I have cPTSD. I never understood the difference and in the back of my mind thought maybe she was wrong...like maybe I didn't want to be BPD so badly that I was somehow fooling her. The thing is, I have been very honest with her and told her some things I swore I'd never tell anyone. The biggest part for me is the fact that I do not and have never had fear of abandonment. This video has helped me to trust my therapist and I look forward to more progress in managing cPTSD. Thank you.

[@colbysl1]

Only the weak or the Narcissistic cannot face a BPD diagnosis

[@ganeshapsychedelicrock4027]

You have an amazing Warmth about you which keeps me watching even when I lose concentration

[@witcherschoolofthefox5941]

I’ve tried to talk to my therapist about this and she had never even heard about cptsd. 😒

[@treatmenice1564]

So have I. I'm sick of having to educate a therapist.

[@carinfreimond8080]

That's really a shame. I'm sorry to hear that.

[@AstridMartin666]

Get a new therapist

[@mZToyadiva101]

Oh boy

[@HeatherFaraMS]

The absolute best video on KZbin for this topic. This is a critical topic because treatment that is wrong leaves families upended!!!

[@positrondesign6514]

Kati you are amazing at reading my twisted mind. I thought of a question for you and you answered it 10 seconds later. I think I have BPD and cPTSD at the same time. This week I asked to discuss my diagnosis with my new psychologist so we could build a treatment plan. She said I don't have BPD. I am only disabled with Bipolar, depression, hypomania, anxiety and PTSD with a smidgen of hallucinations. Whew, that's enough! I disagreed, we discussed it and she changed her mind to confirm that she will observe me to verify BPD.

[@dahliawilde9997]

I was given SO MANY diagnoses over the years. From BP2 to BPD to RAD, always with PTSD - then finally they realized CPTSD. Treatment is finally helping, and the misdiagnosis was so bizarre and difficult for me. I had so many “lower case t” traumas that led to upper case T Traumas. Childhood abuse to domestic violence in my own personal relationships, rape, just so many things that I felt had to be my fault. I punished myself in many ways for many years. It means a lot to see your objective, clinically valid and thoughtful videos with so much empathy layered in. I appreciate you and your effort to bring knowledge into the KZbinsphere! Kippis 💫

[@dee...]

Thank you for this video. I appreciate how you approach these diagnoses without any judgement or prejudice. I've had a much harder time accepting my bpd diagnosis than the complex ptsd because of the stigma bpd has (I was treated very poorly by professionals). Recently I started DBT and am so grateful to be learning these new skills so that when I start my trauma counselling later this year, I will be able to cope with it better. The two therapies can really complement each other. This video truly helped me accept that I likely have correctly been diagnosed with both and that it's ok. I always struggled with the idea that probably one of the diagnoses were wrong. But I see now that I definitely do fit into both. Thank you.

[@avosquirrel231]

It is clear I have both, been in therapy since I was 6yo, split my adolescence from 13-17yo between lock down units, rehabs, group homes, and homelessness - had teams of mental health professionals working on me. It was not until I was 45 coming out of 17 years of total isolation, repeating old patterns, that I had the self awareness to recognize the truth with the desire to do something- and I do not have the resources to do anything about it.

[@NoelleMar]

This helps explain why DBT was EXTREMELY difficult for me, and I even got angry when it was suggested for me multiple times. At this point, DBT skills are finally starting to work for me, but I've needed to do a lot of trauma work to get to that point. I know it depends on the person. So much about DBT is about controlling your own reactions and about becoming less judgmental. But in order to recover from trauma, sometimes you need to be a little more judgmental of your abusers before moving on! lol.

[@caroldean8446]

To Katy Morton: The way you explain the "conditions" and symptoms and treatments are the best and most easy to understand that I've seen yet. Thank you. Also, I am surprised to discover that some of the descriptions in some areas of my very own childhood fit ME! I have been researching to try to cope with and hopefully get help for a family member. I probably shouldn't be so surprised because these "disorders" obviously "run" in families with a kind of domino effect. Hopefully the "psych - buck" will stop with me... doing the best I can to get the help we need. So much. But that's the MAJOR problem!!! Just how in the world do you get a person into therapy that thoroughly believes there's NOTHING wrong with them??? that absolutely everything is everyone else's fault???

[@nalydia27]

Carol Dean Omg!!! These are my thoughts exactly!!! Have you figured out what to do? I think we need to see a therapist ourselves to manage the very difficult almost hopeless situation. I’ve been trying for years, but my father and my sister won’t acknowledge what’s wrong. My sister is just 30 years old, I want to help her, she has a long life ahead of her and she doesn’t have to struggle and keep pushing loved ones away. She also has a daughter who is just 10. She really needs help. My mom has both of them living with her which provides some stability but my sister’s moods still fluctuate all over and she rages sometimes and she becomes a lot worse when she gets romantically involved. It’s not good. She recently attacked me physically. I thought after she did that of course she would get help, but she still won’t. I just don’t understand.

[@colbysl1]

Why on god's green earth do you think they are stupid enough to not notice they are different? The problem is that YOU tell them they "have something WRONG" with them!! People with BPD do not seek therapy for this exact reason..... they think they are bad and horrible. Therapy is for people who are not bad..... that need help. GO HOME CAROL! Stop being prejudiced and ignorant.

[@katiesilvano8136]

Thank you for this video Kati! I too had to watch it twice to wrap my brain around it.. I have soo many thoughts and questions!? I don't know that there is a clear answer.. This is just what came up for me and open to thoughts and discussion.. Regarding Differences/Similarities 1) say you have CPTSD because of repeated abuse.. so you struggle with Lack of trust, Isolation, and all other interpersonal difficulties. I would argue that this is because you have a fear of abandonment. After all, if you were repeatedly abused by a caregiver- it is essentially abandonment right?! So to protect yourself from it, we don't trust, we isolate, we struggle with connecting.. 2) CPTSD and drug and/or alcohol abuse.. how is this different than BPD struggle with impulse control? say you use food as your drug of choice.. the line is so wiggly its hard to see the difference. 3) If someone is repeatedly abuse (CPTSD), your difficulties are pervasive just like BPD. Its a fucking struggle to undo all the shit! Lastly, I wonder if (even though it is not a requirement for BPD diagnoses) all personality disorders are caused by some sort of on-going mistreatment/abuse whether covert or overt. That people struggle for a reason and nobody is born with BPD or NPD.. that these difficulties are a response/self protection to many difficult experiences. Which I think is different than someones inherent temperament that humans are born with i.e. introvert, extrovert, highly sensitive/vs not. just my thoughts and curiosity - thanks for doing this video :)

[@sasha3010]

My Depression, Anxiety and BPD comes from PTSD! - So a Psychiatrist told me I should do Trauma theraphy as well... (Which I am VERY scared of.) Btw: Working with inner child and after DBT helped me stopping self harming, I tried a VERY good theraphy method. The best in my opinion: Schema Therapy! Also: EVERY person is different! There's always a spectrum of an illness. I was told I am not a severe case anymore so maybe I'm out of the Borderline spectrum now. - I guess I'll bring that up if I get the next appointment. thx

[@monkeyface5133]

Thx Kati. I've been diagnosed with both cptsd and bpd. Lately I feel as though I have this sign across my forehead that saids "BEWARE..." I know my diagnoses does not define who I am but lately it seems that it does. It makes me just want to give up....going stir crazy here.

[@dee...]

Monkey Face hey I know I'm not Kati and can't give an awesomely wise answer but I do have both cptsd and bpd, so I truly empathise with how you're feeling. I just want you to know that I've heard so so many people say that they go through a phase after being diagnosed where they feel that they are somehow defective or should carry round a warning sign or that they feel all they are is a bunch of symptoms. I've felt all those too. But it does change. After you find the right therapist and start the right recovery work for you, it will start to feel like you are human again and that those labels are only there to help you find the right road to recovery. I know all that probably sounds like rubbish right now but I'm just talking from my experience. I wish you all the best in your recovery. Please be extra kind to yourself. You deserve good things and those labels don't change that.

[@nalydia27]

Debbie How did you decide to get help? My sister doesn’t want to acknowledge the problem. Maybe she’s scared? How can I help her?

[@nalydia27]

Nicole G That’s so wonderful that you have found the strength and determination to get help. What made you decide? What made you realize what was happening with you? My sister has either BPD or CPTSD. She has been refusing to see a therapist for years. I can’t understand why she doesn’t want to get help. My mom and I told her we would go with her and have therapy for ourselves as well. I just don’t know how to help her. Her life and her emotions are a rollercoaster and so draining for herself and everyone. I just want her to find some peace finally. I’m going to see a therapist just to figure out how to let go of trying to help her. I’ve tried for years. Any advice?

[@leighatkins22]

Thank you for spelling this out... it's only recently that i've come to understand that what i've been working to control all my life through self-analysation and logical processes, have been commonly experienced by many others too... so much so that they are part of the psychologists' modern day acronym soup! And even now at 53 after all the hard work i'm one of the calmest ppl i know, yet when i'm a bit tired and my guard drops, i'm still finding that my symptoms cause problems with the uninitiated... Your vid has helped me see why i do what i do, what i already instinctively do to cope and heal, and what i will never stop doing but can continue to self-manage and this gives me direction, hope, and belief & security within myself. Thank you again :)

[@itsryderbabey8885]

I got told by a psychiatrist the other day that I can’t possibly have ptsd because my trauma wasn’t a near death experience... aka not bad enough. So she diagnosed be with bpd instead. Didn’t even acknowledge the existence of cptsd. I’m so tired.

[@Elya08]

I’d fire her. Lol

[@leogryffindor6672]

I am diagnosed with BPD though a few therapist suggested CPTSD however watching this video I feel as though it definitely is BPD. Thank you

[@anfie2495]

I am diagnosed with both. Both clinically and personally they are very different disorders, they have very different causes, and the symptoms/struggles are aroused by very different situations. I can very easily identify the feeling or emotion I am having to which disorder it is attributed to. It's very hard to manage both of these conditions on a minute by minute basis, as these are my two 'primary' conditions. I have a plethora of other diagnoses to contend with, but these are by far the most profound and disabling in my life, with major depression being the next most difficult.

[@nalydia27]

Isobella Parsons Hi Isobella, I think you are so brave to look at both of these conditions and examine them and try to make sense of them. I feel like you have a better sense of the difference than most people. I’m not sure if my sister is dealing with BPD or CPTSD or both. My feeling is that it’s probably both. I may have aspects of CPTSD as well since we grew up with a father who had undiagnosed BPD and a drinking problem and intense delusional jealousy with my mom and abusive and aggressive behavior. It wasn’t all the time, but definitely many moments of crisis and trauma throughout our childhood growing up. I feel overwhelmed almost all the time. I don’t think that’s normal. Anyway, I plan to see a therapist and I wish my sister would too. But she is in such intense denial even though she has very obvious uncontrollable rage where she will physically attack you and can’t control her drinking, and the same jealousy issues in relationships that my father has. It’s been the story of my life. I want to help them, but I can’t.

[@beefbrisket8905]

This is so great! I was inpatient for over a year and had the wrong diagnosis for SO long. BPD just didn’t match up for me, but CPTSD matches so much more. I got c-PTSD from my father going to war and dying, then abuse, then more abuse and trauma whilst in hospital. For a long, long time I didn’t think I had anything wrong because I have an amazing relationship with my family and boyfriend, but in the past I’ve been abused by others. I love people, I’m just scared off them too! I also forgot a lot of instances of abuse and never knew why! Now I guess I do.

[@schatzionline]

Omg. I have always wondered about this!!! Thank you!

[@Katimorton]

Of course!! xoxo

[@Galaxyclusters]

I was diagnosed BPD after having first been diagnosed with PTSD and this helps me understand a lil better, thank you sm

[@gabbiefulton8604]

Thank you Kati for this video it has help me understand BPD and CPTSD.

[@mikelmontoya2965]

Gabbie Fulton yeah, she explained it so well, I had never heard of CPTSD before and now I think I completely get it

[@savymeow9998]

I don’t feel like anyone ever listens to me. I think I’m struggling with BPD, but have also had repeated trauma. I tell the doctors/therapist my symptoms and they always diagnose me with ptsd , anxiety, depression. I experience every symptom of BPD. I just want to be heard and given the proper diagnosis so I can take the steps to get better. I really wish I could find someone who actually cares.

[@TBIhope]

I know it’s hard, but trust the doctor to give you a proper diagnosis. Make a list of your symptoms, tell your doctor your own diagnosis, and then ask if you’re right, or what’s wrong with you.

[@Ornches]

I dated someone with C-PTSD I was in denial, but I quickly see now how destructive it is. She was terrific, a fantastic lover, and compassionate person. However, her episodes became very frustrating and challenging to deal with. (I've even had outbursts with my inability to get away, or have a level conversation) Initially, I thought it would be not a problem to take care of her. However quickly, it became a more significant challenge of managing taking care of myself with her. She was so dependent on my acceptance, my love, but I started pulling away. Later destroying the relationship. Still harbor guilt for the way i handled it. But I know I did my best.

[@dahliawilde9997]

TwiiZoH this sounds so much like my past relationships I feel like I should apologize to you. I definitely have been that girlfriend SO many times, and it’s shitty for everyone

[@Ornches]

@@dahliawilde9997 Definitely, she's back in my life now, and she's gradually trying to learn self-love. (Hopefully hobbies outside of the relationship) I'm learning to try and be less critical, and more patient. (Also self-care without enabling.) When dating someone with anxiety you feel like you are in a love triangle. Their anxiety, Them And You. Can be kinda rough.

[@nalydia27]

Hmm.... so she was diagnosed with cPTSD and not BPD?

[@jayj7340]

I experienced homelessness and poverty up until about last year, but most prominent in my childhood. I haven’t been diagnosed officially with BPD or CPTSD yet, but I have been diagnosed with first depression and anxiety, then Bipolar II, then ADHD, then more heightened anxiety that they thought was intensified by the ADHD. But at the time I saw more BPD symptoms in myself. I was hyper fixated on my boyfriend at the time and some of my friends, I was impulsively spending money cause I thought it was gonna run out, and I had panic attacks nearly anytime my bf an I got in a fight. Fast forward to today and I’ve overcome a lot of these problems with my new relationship, but I also healed by making sure I wasn’t emotionally dependent on him. I’m still working out my initial anxiety, but internally I have healed a lot on my own! I stopped using my adhd medication cause it didn’t help the root of my issue and made me more anxious, so I started attributing everything to my traumatic childhood. I hate how all the diagnosis are so closely tied together because I feel like people are labeling the symptoms and the causes into separate categories for the same issue. I’m glad I was able to work through a lot of my issues without experimenting with more random medication.

[@1bookfisher335]

This was a great video, thank you so much!! Hearing you talk about emotional regulation reminded me of a post I saw on tumblr the other day, which was (supposedly) talking about that very thing. Basically, it was talking about "wanting" to hurt and participate in self-sabotage. Some people brought up some reasons for this, including validation and stability. So for example, for validation, if you feel like you need a valid reason for your depression or other mental illnesses, you self-sabotage so that you can validate yourself. For stability, well, you've always had negativity in your life, and you're used to it, so it's easier to deal with because it's familiar to you. For me personally, I remember dealing with a really unstable friendship in elementary school, and I turned to others for help a lot. However, after a while, I could tell that people were viewing my problems as not a big deal, or "oh she's at it again." I could tell that people saw my problems as not important, because I was just a kid. I feel like that's a huge reason for me wanting to "hurt" that's similar to validation; no one else is taking my problems seriously, so I need something for them to take it seriously. I feel like that's a big reason I started walking down the path of an eating disorder way back when I was 14, and is also a huge reason that recovery and maintaining my mental health as a whole is so difficult for me. I know this is a super long comment, so I don't expect any kind of response, but some insight on this kind of issue would be really cool! I love your videos, they're really insightful! Keep up the great work

[@kathymcgirt8944]

Clients - this is a really good reason to be honest with both yourself and your therapist about your trauma history and your symptoms. Therapists are generally trained not to judge. Feedback is designed to help you cope, heal and be empowered to take responsibility for your own happiness and ability to contribute positive things to the world. Find a therapist you are comfortable with. Then let them help you work through your challenges. Life is crazy and everyone could that kind of support sometimes. Best of luck to you all.

[@HopeInfinity96]

Thank you for having such an important channel, you're an amazing being, xx

[@Katimorton]

Awe of course Emma :) thanks for leaving such a sweet comment :) oxxo

[@Blue91297]

I am glad you are talking about BPD more because I feel so alone in all this

[@nalydia27]

I am invisible ❤️

[@ocpd23]

Treatment - CPTSD: healing/processing trauma BPD: resolve injurious urges + manage emotions Emotion dysregulation - CPTSD: emotional sensitivity, reactive anger, poor coping skills, substance abuse BPD: suicidal, self harm more common, inward anger before outward BPD: fear abandonment unique

[@myevilfish]

I was diagnosed with CPTSD and BPD. After undergoing DBT I haven't SH in nearly a year, I'm more able to manage my mood dysregulation by challenging any negative thoughts, and I don't use alcohol as an escape anymore. I'm taking it one step at a time and I'm not too hard on myself if I stumble. In fact, I'm pretty damn proud of myself! When I'm ready I'm going to seek out trauma therapy for all my childhood memories. You can manage your mental health! Things can get better! You deserve to be happy!!

[@MsBeachboxer]

OMGosh, Yes! I had a woman who insisted I was B P D, w/o even knowing my complete history. I'd moved to a new Community because my income dropped so much. I was a very successful woman and my previous psychiatrist knew me well through my whole disintegration. I was well known in my community. When I moved this worker decided I was lying about my previous success or something. I was quite emotional about realizing Narc abuse and rapes in my history, She retraumatized me about those as well. Insisted & argued that I had BPD bc Cptsd was not in DsmV. I retreated and Isolated more. Thank God I finally found Trauma informed Therapy. Anyone who has abuse or repeated trauma requires Trauma Informed Counseling. Haven't watched all your Vids, but have you talked about this? The Re-Traumatizing this woman caused was horrible and worsened trust issues acquired when I actually saw the malignant narcissism in my mother once she passed.

[@ixeliema]

Well I got diagnosed with BPD in 2019 when I was in DBT outpatient and was diagnosed with CPTSD today by my trauma specialist...so I suppose I was diagnosed in the best possible situations/by the best possible sources both times. It's very validating to hear that both can co-exist bc even though I think that my DBT therapist(s) didn't see enough of my trauma to approach it or properly answer my PTSD question, I know they were confident in BPD before CPTSD was even mentioned. Thank you for the info.

[@user-qb1nw1zi3f]

Thank you for this but I have a question! Did you know that they also treat C-PTSD with Dialectical Behavioral Therapy? I was misdiagnosed BPD and then later diagnosed with C-PTSD. I think it fits me better but luckily I was able to join a a DBT group anyway. I have been in it for a year next week and it has COMPLETELY changed my life for the better! I am definitely not borderline, yet it has helped me in every facet of my life. The emotional regulation, coping with self-hatred, radically accepting my trauma, ending the isolation - all of my symptoms are made better by tools from DBT. Do you think it will become more and more common to expand DBT to other diagnoses? It touches on so many issues that I think even just people with severe depression or anxiety could benefit from taking a course. I think probably every person on earth could use it, really lol.

[@mackenzietucker4292]

this exact same thing happened to me.

[@hopelessmechanic4649]

God sent an angel to explain the mental illnesss to us thank god

[@tamarinthomas7890]

Thank you so much for explaining this so well...

[@Katimorton]

Of course!! I am glad you enjoyed it!! xoxo

[@kuntyfacedbitch]

You are so calming thank you

[@Pxales]

Didn’t you have a video about his before? I was trying to find it the other day... oh well, here it is now!

[@Katimorton]

I thought so too.. but I think it was just a conversation on a livestream.. haha!! xoxo

[@dearauntyviolet3167]

🦋I'm fairly certain I've seen BPD/C-PTSD related topics via Livestream myself Kati Morton & Sheepishness. However, I'm very appreciative of the clarification. Along with commentor Gabi Fulton, I would like to request more in-depth videos on these topics please. Thank you in advance Kati Morton, particularly for the major improvement in my mental well-being through your videos and also therefore the shared experiences of Kinions & commentors.🦋

[@supertough57]

Excellent. Thank you. I have been misdiagnosed as ptsd, bpd, major depressive disorder, when what I have is C-PTSD. I resent this situation. Thanks for being knowledgeable and responsible by presenting, in detail a lot of the differences.

[@gabbiefulton8604]

Hey Kati please do more video on this topic.

[@amandab3946]

Gabbie Fulton 👏🏼 ^

[@erockfreedom6399]

Katie - I have been a fan and subscriber of your channel for a while and I just want to thank you for all you do first That breakdown of BPD vs c-ptsd is so clearly explained and I also thank you for the written notes. I've been struggling this for a while. I am diagnosed with PTSD and came to an understanding that it is C PTSD by doing lots of research and finding people's KZbin channels. You broke it down so well. I want to thank you because it's going to help me break it down internally and also to select others.... finally!

[@celladoor_uk]

I think I have both. 😅 thankyou for your videos, I've actually been waiting for you to do this comparison. Thankyou. I deal with this by writing music, it does massively help. Being creative is no cure but it is a healthy channel. Thankyou again. :') x

[@emmabrandau2028]

Best videos for education while in grad school! So easy to understand and you are so personable as well Kati. Thanks for adding awesome content every week!

[@43658hgt]

Not all borderline personality disordered people self harm ..and not all those that do self harm have BPD...written in a American psychiatric journal.

[@OmerGJoel]

I have Bipolar Type 2 and C-PTSD and has been mis-diagnosed with BPD for many years. This combination is very similar to BPD in symptims as Bipolar causes suicidal thoughts and self-harm; I also developed self-harm as a coping mechanism with flashbacks - physical pain can help get rid of traumatic flashbacks. What helped me is a complex cocktail of medications, especially to treat Bipolar symptoms, as well as eccletic psychotherapy (combined CBT and psychodynamic therapy with some DBT skill training). It took ten years of therapy and medication to reach a better place in life, though symptoms are still horrible (just less horrible than before)

[@-Cae-NM]

I have been diagnosed with PTSD, BPD, Bipolar 2, and GAD. I was recommended to do DBT therapy and was wondering if DBT therapy is also helpful for PTSD. Thx Kati luv u and ur channel it really has helped me to gain a better understanding of all my diagnosis.

[@Katimorton]

DBT can be helpful for PTSD.. but other therapies can work for both as well. It's more important that you find a type of therapy that fits for you :) xoxo

[@-Cae-NM]

Kati Morton Thx Kati I have had a hard time finding a therapist that has yet to keep referring me out; however as of now I have the DBT workbook from Amazon you have on your list and have been working on it in the meantime and am working on the distraction techniques right now. Thx again and luv u and your vids! Xoxo

[@neverhaddachance]

I have been through CBT, DBT, and EMDR between two amazing therapists, and diagnosed CPTSD, MDD, GAD, ADD, and almost every other pleasant little acronym under the sun (too scared to talk about the BPD symptoms). I would absolutely recommend DBT as it has given me many tools to be less reactive, however there's merit in any approach that helps YOU. And remember, if a therapist doesn't work out there are hundreds more that will, please don't give up.

[@43658hgt]

From what a psychologist I know said , BPD is caused by CPTSD or PTSD ...borderline personality disorder is the byproduct of severe emotional trauma

[@CarlybutreallyBATMANBraverman]

Badass video, homie! Super interesting topic (although, I tend to think all of your videos are filled with super-interesting topics). As someone who was originally diagnosed with borderline and was later told it was actually C-PTSD, I find this extra interesting. I do think DBT can help with PTSD/PTSD-like symptoms. I know someone who went through a DBT program for PTSD and it helped tremendously. I did not go through a DBT program specifically, but I've read a lot about it and it's been a help to me as well. However, I kinda think almost everyone could probably benefit from some amount of DBT skills.

[@Katimorton]

So glad you liked it!!! xoxo Thanks for sharing what you know about DBT and your experience with diagnosis! So helpful :) Oh and totally agree that DBT can help everyone! xoxo

[@neuralmute]

Last summer, after I had a suicidal crisis stemming from a combination of *BAD* medication decisions made by a psychiatrist who had only seen me twice, as well as some triggering personal stresses around the same time, which were mostly either misunderstood or ignoed by those around me due to a lack of understanding of just what was happening, and my own tendency to tough things out 'till I break, I went into an intensive DBT program. Some bits were odd, as most of the girls and women in the group were BPD, and I'm ASD, so they would be talking about intense feelings, and I'd have trouble even identifying what I was actually feeling, but it really helped with that aspect, too! As well as developing coping strategeies, attempting some radical acceptance, and learning to live with past trauma without letting it define my life. I even managed to make an actual friend, with the only other Aspie in the group, and he and I still hang out, being supergeeks together! DBT is good stuff.

[@nalydia27]

I’m still learning about DBT, but I think it has some similarities or parts of it are like meditation and being present and using the front of your brain that is more logical and rational instead of the emotional, reactive part of your brain that is more fight/flight survival reactions, and I think you’re right, everyone would benefit from practicing this. Dbt and meditation are like magic. You can see things differently and your feelings don’t take over when your mindful and present. Also you feel so much more content, peaceful, and happy. :)

[@colbysl1]

@@Katimorton why aren't you deleting the prejudiced comments?

[@howard1beale]

Finally an intelligent explanation. Thank you

[@jennamariedicks]

I've been diagnosed with both. Both have different symtpoms and different forms of recovery x

[@Foratimelikethislife]

Hi Kati Thank you for this video. I was misdiagnosed as having depression, until I started having more problems than I knew what to do with, let's just say, I became an emotional wreck. The nightmares and flashbacks were so constant, that half the time I did not know if I was awake or asleep. My health started suffering. I was not worried about being abandoned instead I myself was disassociating myself with people. I was eventually diagnosed two years ago with c-ptsd and apparently have suffered with it most of my life, but I also have comprehension problems, because of this emotional roller coaster, my emotional age and my chronological age are completely different.

[@Voodoovixenn]

Hi Kati! Loved this video, only thing I have to mention is you said BPD’s reflect their emotions inward and people with Cpstd are more outward. Wouldn’t that be a quiet borderline? I have BPD and definitely rage at the simplest things (only to those I’m close to) and have always learned & been told that BPD is known for lashing out and having extreme behavior. Idk I’m just kind of confused.

[@nalydia27]

Melissa Haze I agree. That part didn’t make sense to me either and confused me also. My dad and sister have rage and a lot of other BPD symptoms. That’s the part that stands out the most, they can get upset very quickly and easily and have trust issues and misinterpret communication with the people who are closest to them. They also both have major jealousy issues in their romantic relationships and are accusing others of cheating, betrayal, or sabotage. They also abuse alcohol and act out impulsively.

[@nalydia27]

I have a ton of compassion for them though and I know they are in pain and feel very alone and misunderstood. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to help them because they can’t admit or acknowledge that there is something wrong. :(

[@lolahayes7091]

Agree. Those two seem reversed. I actually thought maybe she just reversed them by accident.

[@maryamismail7119]

When you leave with pain for 15 yrs and dont realize how much it destroyed your life until you reach 18 , is the most painful thing ever. I wish if you were my therapist. My psychiatrist made me feel its ok to live with cptsd since i don't remember what happen at all and its ok if others scream at or whatever. With my depression, i feel like i am hopeless and alone in to this path but i believe in my God and i know he will help go through this. Thnks for videos ❤❤❤

[@emmmahezw]

That whole initial question is exactly what happened to me. Damn it lol

[@escapetarkov3838]

You've helped me with my CPTSD so, so much over the years, thank you so much for what you do miss.

[@jeffreysherman8224]

These two things should not be grouped together. This is very disturbing. At least you do a very good job of clarifying things. Thank you. ☺❤

[@mivical]

How is it 'disturbing'...

[@nalydia27]

Disturbing? Idk, I think they can very easily look alike and probably usually overlap, since many people with BPD had a parent that also had some kind of disorder or mental illness and trauma in their childhood. That’s why BPD can be passed down from one generation to the next, because if you don’t get treatment, you could unwittingly harm your child even when you’re trying your very best, and I believe the emotional sensitivity and impulsivity may also be there biologically. So, if the right biology is there and you have that traumatic childhood, then both BPD and CPTSD can show up together. I’m not a therapist, but I have family who have struggled with this and that’s kind of how I see it after doing a ton of research.

[@ko0302]

Thank you so much for the video. I had a first therapy session today after series of breakdown events affecting my personal life. I was surprised when my therapist mentioned CPTSD as due to the stigma I had with PTSD. It was such a relief and almost made me cry since it was the first time talking out loud about my childhood to someone in person for the first time throughout my 28 years. And I've been researching the details on CPTSD and hearing the symptoms from you is like abridgement of my life, which made me cry again.

[@beastboyrules]

I’ve been diagnosed with both, it confuses me.

[@shylocie595]

I was diagnosed with BPD in 1987. I had years of therapy without getting much better. In 2017 My diagnosis was changed to CPTSD. I have improved greatly with the new type of therapy i am getting. Thank you for explaining the differences.

[@eezzyy5982]

What did you find was the key difference with yourself?

[@romeroelgie7920]

Ty for the great vlog. U make me realize I so need a therapist .😶

[@Katimorton]

I have videos about making the first appointment and what to expect if that's helpful :) xox

[@gramadebi2761]

I was diagnosed by a psychiatrist with BPD and disagreed. I do NOT have and have NEVER had suicidal thoughts and I do NOT fear abandonment. In fact, I'm the one most likely to walk away and abandon someone else. Of the list of nine BPD symptoms I have possibly four but not the ones that seem most important. I WAS molested as a child multiple times over many years by different perpetrators and my mother was a covert narcissist. As an adult I went on to marry several times....to narcissists who were abusive. I feared for my life on many occasions. I have a therapist NOW who says I have CPTSD, NOT BPD....and I believe she is correct. Thank you so much for clarifying the difference so well.

[@SK-no2pp]

Definitely not everyone with BPD has suicidal thoughts. If you had a mother those are all the cluster B spectrum, You very well could have BPD tendencies and avoidant personality. Either way avail yourself to DBT therapy, meditation, mindfulness techniques

[@catlover9585]

Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for doing it! I needed it. I couldn't understand it by my own research. Can you do CPTSD video with Alexa? I found it really hard to find DBT therapist. The groups have years of waiting list. Is there any good way to learn the skill without group?

[@christine5669]

Thanks for this...my husband has had both dxs (the self injurious behavior is what led to the bpd dx). He's found through years of therapy that CPTSD is the better dx for him and he's working with a specialist. He's recently started meditating and has found it to be very helpful, too.

[@abaanonimer]

I find them to be so diferent! I suffer from cptsd and and don't exactlly relate much with bpd.

[@AhsetofAtum]

Hanna Rommel Same here Hanna 😉 I don't really relate either. I can empathize for sure, but can't really understand it fully because it's just not something I personally have.

[@humblewonder3260]

Good for you?

[@humblewonder3260]

@@AhsetofAtum good for you??

[@syzygy4365]

What's absolutely crushing for C-PTSD sufferers is their inability to remember the events of their traumatic experiences. It's so hard for me to explain, when memories of the abuse bring on such a panic attack I can recall feelings of panic and fragments of the events. I feel the panic just like I did when I was living through it. Even my moms notices that any time my ex gets brought up I go into an emotionally heightened state. I can check out randomly and start to cry. I haven't been diagnosed with C-PTSD but I know all the abuse I suffered had to of caused it. I need to get this under control so I can move on with my life for mine and my kids sake.