Brain expert says Neuralink is IMPOSSIBLE. (He's Wrong.)

00:00 Intro
01:04 Summary
01:19 Who is Dr. Miguel Nicolelis?
12:00 Criticism of Elon and Neuralink
14:30 Prior Work vs. Neuralink
18:25 Building on the shoulder of giants
22:17 Neuralink: Nothing innovative?
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[@Semmster]

Everything is impossible until someone does it.

[@blackjack2143]

Damn straight

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@Michał Bryza If you tell Elon Musk it's impossible than he will do it ! Lol 🤣🤣. Hold my beer I gotta do another impossible thing lol. This guy is single handedly colonizing Mars and trying to save our planet. I would not doubt Elon.

[@user-et8zx8mz7t]

Love is not the seed of evil, neither is the love for power and fame, nor greed, imo it creates mental conditioning. Oppression and lies are the same in my eyes because your lies oppress someone's conception and perception of reality with any lie and there's no telling how much damage it can cause across time it's self. Remember it's Together not To-Get-Her I don't want a wall of texts so don't even get me started on my conecpt of opressive mindsets

[@Singularity2060]

What about living forever? You can never prove it bec UNTIL xD

[@CountryLifestyle2023]

@@Singularity2060 says you.

[@Radioposting]

"We will _NEVER_ be able to achieve heavier than air flying machines."

[@MadLabZ]

Everyone tells me that man cant travel at the speed of light BUT that is untrue, if humanity survives into the digital consciousness age (SOONER THAN LATER) we will be able to transmit our consciousness our "mind" into space as a radio transmission to a receiving host or infrastructure like the tesla bot. leaving earth becomes almost entirely free with the added bonus of no loss of life/avatar, no pollution . THIS WILL HAPPEN IF SOCIATY STAYS GLUED TOGETHER!!!!

[@dannygjk]

@@josephs2137 They are both virtually the same thing.

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible

[@MadLabZ]

​your edit tho lol, im assuming you came to the same conclusion that the speed of light and the speed of a radio transmission both travel at 186000MPS ;) never the less 'IF" we keep progressing at any level we can only assume this is a possible future scenario, I mean come on if someone like me can think this up in 2021 what will be going on in 50-100 years from now. we will always have uphill challenges as humanity but things will evolve regardless. Maybe our level of tech already supports receiving some other type of foreign digital consciousness and its already working with Elon's toys (automated factory's acting as an extension and bridge per say) just waiting for the right moment.....everyone thinks little green men will come running out of a metal trash can but do you really think this is how an advanced being would travel or communicate through the cosmos...I think not its just not efficient and sounds insulting to all other intellectual life ?

[@cedriceric9730]

But at least birds could do it so we had hope but hacking a brain dear , 🤣 NO.

[@coultonharmon2266]

The fact that he coupled his claim with an insult "he barely knows where it is" tells you all you need to know.

[@NoXic88]

A big thank you from millions of people, to Dr. Miguel Nicolelis! And many wishes of future success to Neuralink! We love you

[@Aleckai]

"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it."

[@johnnyson7474]

Oh they'll definitely interrupt. I remember them laughing at Elon and ridicule him that reusable rockets and electric cars are IMPOSSIBLE. Do you notice how you don't find them anywhere unless Elon comes up with a new project? It's because they looked stupid after making these claims as if they already know what they're talking about. They are the same people that doubted the impossible technologies that we have today. They even go as far as to stop these visionaries from achieving the impossible because they don't want to get proven wrong. These people are literally the embodiment of the "all talk no action'' type. So the only people they love to criticize or put down are the "less talk more action" types. It's a pattern within itself it is not hard to miss how others behave in such a way. Perhaps it's just human nature and it tends to repeat itself. Or maybe because of their upbringing that made them that way that if something is impossible thou shall not pursue.

[@aceyage]

@@johnnyson7474 Neither e-cars, nor reusable rockets were considered impossible. For anyone knowing a bit of science, Elon Musk is a little boy playing around. Guy's a con man and sociopath.

[@johnnyson7474]

@@pneumantic6297 unfortunate for NASA's engineers to not believe this was possible but good thing someone made it happened while getting laughed at by NASA's engineers

[@shukrantpatil]

So please explain as per why is has NASA paired up with space X for several space projects till date ?

[@hassanjacobs7506]

@@aceyage You know him? And what is the con he is performing?

[@AllYouWantAndMore]

He seems to be confusing advancements with invention. Just because a new electric vehicle is not that different than an old electric vehicle, doesn't mean it is not a novel approach and a significant advancement.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Yeah, for being so supposedly intelligent Nicolelis is showing himself to be rather short sighted, egotistical and dumb.

[@robynburrows]

@@brilliantly_me All of our energy needs and much more can be solved with solar, wind, and energy storage / batteries (such as Tesla mega packs). We’re just not there today. It will take a major shift (which I think is coming) to move away from our fossil fuel infrastructure, but if we don’t, well why even wake up in the morning, because we’re all f’d.

[@liamhackett513]

The hyper loop. Really bright idea that one. He will say and do anything because the limelight props up the inflated stock value of tesla

[@Myrddnn]

@@liamhackett513 LOL. Six different companies took the public domain idea and are today working on hyperlinks. Even China has plans to build one. You don't sound smart when you say things like that.

[@liamhackett513]

@@Myrddnn boring multiple layers of tunnels for fleets of electric cars to whizz around in. Really fcking bright idea.

[@ofconsciousness]

Hey btw thank you for this episode!! I appreciate your coverage so I don't have to wade through all that nonsense 😆

[@joshuacothran3134]

Imagine what he said about reusable rockets that land themselves lol

[@sprytnychomik]

Not a new concept and vertical landing was done before.

[@cosmicaug]

@@sprytnychomik around a couple of decades earlier, IIRC.

[@Jevaughn]

Strong "Old Man Yelling From Porch" vibes. So much saltiness coming off the screen from Nicolelis, my blood pressure spiked. In all seriousness, there are several disqualifying issues here. First is how he plainly mischaracterizes Elon's statements six ways to Sunday. Miguel is also acting like it's Musk who's doing the work, rather than literally a host of ambitious younger people in the field, some of whom no doubt idolize Nicolelis. Maybe even some who were trained by him? And let's not even go in on him making hard statements on what is and isn't and will and won't ever be possible. As per usual, the *results* produced by the *army of geniuses* led by Elon - who guide Elon on what is doable as he in turn guides them on what is possible - will speak for itself as time goes on.

[@Jevaughn]

@@gamerfortynine Exactly. Neuralink is carrying the state of the art forward and bringing in cross-disciplinary collaboration that other labs couldn't manage but that Elon with his umbrella of resources can. Nobody's promising uploaded minds within the decade or whatever. Neuralink publishes papers too - their advances will help humanity figure out exactly how much is doable and how to do it decades faster than otherwise. Throwing shade is counterproductive.

[@Unityframe]

lol he is so salty he isn't getting credit. He needs to relax and keep researching and his time for the news headline will come

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@Jevaughn Small minded people throw shade when they see others accomplish what they could not. Nicolelis may be smart in some ways, but that doesn't mean he isn't short sighted and stupid in others. Anyone taking a hard stance that technology will NEVER be capable of doing something that is allowed by physics is guaranteed to be proven wrong (eventually). This pattern of technology has been repeated so many times that anyone who can't see it is an idiot. Elon understands this pattern of technology progress far better than most and he has learned to optimize for it and we can all see the successful outcomes at Tesla and SpaceX as a result.

[@gumstuckinmypocket]

The speed at which private tech companies move these days is light years faster than the snail that is academia. The ol' salty prof is seeing 30 years of budget and time constrained university research eclipsed by private progress, apparently eclipsed by orders of magnitude. Imagine the things ol' saltsman Nicolelis could do with Neuralink resources and development speed. (They are hiring... Nicolelis... and the boss might laugh off the insults.)

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@gumstuckinmypocket A lot of people used to the snails pace and low expectations of academia can't adapt to or survive in the cooperate world. And Elon's has higher expectations than most. There have been staff who came from academia who dropped out of Neuralink, likely for these reasons. Nicolelis would never be able to cope with having to achieve measurable results in short periods of time.

[@ressque]

The fact that Nicolelis brings up "patents" tells you absolutely everything you need to know about this situation and his commentary henceforth. SMDH...

[@null252]

Yeah, pretty embarrassing.

[@trinityastial5161]

He honestly sounds like a jealous ass rich kid who can’t get past a level and gets pissed off that someone else can. He’s probably stumped and can’t proceed further with his ideas and so his only retort is to bring up patents and talking bad about Elon and neuro

[@Paulctan]

@@trinityastial5161 Yes!! I think you hit upon the correct reason. He took his BMI research as far as *HE* could go and is now stuck there, so therefor it must be impossible by the laws of physics!

[@latenerd2441]

LOL apparently Him and his Uni have patents on the whole BMI concept when it's legally impossible to patent a concept. He might be a pioneer but he also full of shit rn

[@brednbudr2406]

Exactly. Just made it abundantly clear where he's trying to steer this.

[@ptu1969]

I think this is another example of the establishment's common response after being challenged. First deny, then ridicule, finally acceptance.

[@SteveRayDarrell]

I really wanna graduate in brain expertise. Any recommendations?

[@Agrestic]

Any scientist that claims an advancement is an 'impossibility' has forsaken the point of the scientific process.

[@blinded6502]

Holy hell, you're absolutely right

[@carolynm8421]

Exactly. To say that "Elon Musk doesn't even know where the brain is." He's clearly annoyed that someone else is claiming they can do something he can't and not giving him credit for his work in the space.

[@MotorcycleRebuilds]

@@carolynm8421 he's threatened by Elon and his patents show that.

[@btuttle8]

@@carolynm8421 Basic mature arguing, never use personal insults on the other party if you want to be taken seriously

[@sprytnychomik]

@@btuttle8 Then Elon shouldn't be taken seriously.

[@gaborszollosy2153]

If someone starts his criticism with insulting that's a huge red flag. See "Elon Musk barely knows where the brain is". The fact that Neuralink's device can access the brain through many more channels and also that deep learning techniques and computing capacity exploded in the recent years might mean that Neuralink can achieve new level of quality in brain/machine interfacing. Elon Musk's team also have a strong product centered approach.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Did you catch his mention of patents? Nicolelis is an ineffectual old man yelling off his porch that he wants credit now that someone else is actually making tremendous progress.

[@MadLabZ]

That old man's just butthurt because for his entire lifetime he's only been able to work with a fraction of the bandwith that musk is playing around with so yeah he probably feels a little pissed about that🤣 if they compete against each other or if they join forces either way it's a win for the team✌😎✌

[@FilipCordas]

@@MadLabZ Neuralink products don't work they publish little to nothing so there really isn't a way to determine if anything they publish in their marketing material is actually working. Musk does this all the time like when he made Tesla bail out his failed Solar City company. Elon is extremely good at one thing and one thing only, getting political government funding. Even Tesla is only making money due to complicated emission credits they get from other car companies. Also his factories are almost completely financed by the government if they where actually going out of Tesla the company would never be profitable.

[@MadLabZ]

@@FilipCordas that's one brutal pill I refuse to swallow however I will be unbiased about the situation and say that since Max left I'm sure they are expected to take a massive hit and what a prime-time for a disgruntled old head to chime in about something he felt like he should have the spotlight on long ago and please don't play stupid we all know the Elon Musk is not the single-handed scientist for every single business that he procuress or develops he is a man that knows what he wants and goes for it why waste time developing something that someone else has already developed you take that developed research and build upon that speeding up progression even more also if he doesn't do it someone will this is not some sci-fi far-fetched story facts show that neuralink works along with many other BMI teams around the world

[@thebgEntertainment1]

@@FilipCordas Stop watching Thunderf00t and go buy some TSLA stock

[@travismoore7849]

If you have a number with the greatest common multiples maybe you could use data rate to link processors by data band width and composite memories.

[@badchoices7152]

How vulnerable would this product be to an EMP attack? If EMP could cause damage to the nuerolink system, what damage could it cause to the brain? I am not an expert in any of this, but am curious as to malicious actions the might damage the brain.

[@dannonbaker92]

Our brain runs on electrical impulses already so if an emp were to mess with our brain it would already do so without the interface is my guess. If it shuts down the interface kinda seems like we would just lose the ability to make contact with and use it. Why would the interface shutting down do anything more?

[@slim1100]

It’s like watching people arguing about the first flight and the types of planes that developed.. each believed theirs was the answer. I think Elon is going about this the right way by enticing the smartest people to work on the project and putting it the required resources. Overall they will end up with the passenger liner while others have a very focused F22 or a single prop bush plane.

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible

[@ThreepwoodFan]

@@adrianaadnan9958 dude what... Women not liking their babies or not liking anyone beside them is a thing but that's a different story. Technology will advance if we want it or not. It will be more and more like a separate entity. We have to merge with it or else we are doomed. You can't stop the progress now.

[@MichaelGreenLagos]

Yes a lot like Thomas Edison

[@remo27]

@@adrianaadnan9958 Elons relationship with his mother is good. She apparently raised a person who cares very much about the world as whole, and by the way, has a shit ton of friends. I don't get what you are going on about.

[@dstr1]

@@adrianaadnan9958 Try inductive reasoning with the same topic and produce the results.

[@fredbloggs5902]

It’s worth reviewing what we know: It has 1,024 channels of output. It is completely sealed. It is fitted by robot. The AI software learns to correctly interpret the signals within hours. The first versions will probably cost $20k - $50k. Is there anybody else in the world doing anything remotely close to this?

[@tsujan3984]

I wish more company and scientist worked on something like this and to this extend. Even if it's wishful promise (the timeline) it's still better than what we have now. Wouldn't you say? I really don't wanna fan boy but It's not the person I am fascinated with, it's the seemingly plausible ideas that he brings to my attention that no one else does, whether it be fully automatic electric car, Space travel or merging with AI.

[@MadLabZ]

I love that neuralink is moving progressively but I can assure you there are a vast ocean of other equally interesting ways to interface with the mind using sound frequencies and different Optical pattern sequences something also think about how a Tesla car perceives the world around itself we are basically just an advanced version of that so I can deduce Humanity down to just a fancy sensor for the collective consciousness cause😎sorry its happy hour for me so ViBN to the future.

[@stephenevans-2paradox767]

Surely, the people saying it will be impossible haven’t ever made progress trying it like the folks achieving small victories this far.

[@adamrak7560]

I heard that some university labs have something similar. But they do not have enough funding for robotically placing the electrodes. So they have much less (working) electrodes. Most of the work Neuralink does is trying to turn the research which was already done, into a working product. They do some truly original research too, but relatively little, so they do not want to publish. Their implementation details are basically business secrets.

[@MadLabZ]

@@adamrak7560 well considering they have a non-invasive and invasive version I would imagine it in the future something like starlink would be able to read your brain waves with a proper calibration and improper equipment kind of creepy to think about😎

[@smkh2890]

At 3:53, there is a patent held by Duke that " covers the WHOLE CONCEPT of BMI" Is there also one for the idea of "wheeled vehicles", or 'food cooking" ? And that this patent on a CONCEPT is held by a University is doubly ironic.

[@daleevans3250]

In the summer of 1954, I told my Fatherinlaw that we were going to the Moon and was politely told that I was crazy. It took 15 more years but we did it.

[@ConnoisseurOfExistence]

Nicolelis seems to be quite knowledgeable and intelligent person. However, his words about Neuralink and Elon seem to be rather based on emotion. Also, it's not very smart to bet against what technology can achieve eventually. People discuss way more impossible things than this - superluminal spaceship engines (warp drives), for example. Serious designs for such have been theoretically proposed by professional scientists. I think that full scale brain-machine interfaces are possible and will be achieved in under 10 years from now.

[@gr1f1th]

I agree. Nicolelis is approching this from his lab. Elon has a Ai supercomputer going online for tesla that he will lend processing to Neuralink this will allow insane advancements that will interpret and decode the signals coming out of our brain and the stimuli as input. that alone will gain hung advancements.... BUt look over there it's a Tesla Robot! Now we can tie that to give amputee's replacement limbs.... Adding simple sensor that then go to nuralink to tell the brain "what" the limb is touching or "how hard" the grip is. Mind bending advancements.

[@MadLabZ]

imagination is creation, look at your computer or cell phone and think to yourself how many ideas, imagination and people did it take to create your device ? probably thousands of parts and pieces each part had to be dreamed up, imagined, and then created....almost like a symphony of minds and creation all leading up to well i cant tell you the ending and that ok :)

[@lamjay6656]

Yeah some of Elon’s aspirations with neuralink seem far fetch, especially for our current level of knowledge on the brain and consciousness. But to totally disregard any achievement of neuralink easily makes him appear biased, emotional or have a hidden agenda.

[@Abhishek-ip7zb]

I really hope it'll be available to everyone in 10 years with amazing features 🧡🙏

[@slartibartfast7921]

Nicely said…. And encouraging timeline, although I’m a little more conservative

[@Lesminster]

If some elderly and distinguished scientist says something is possible he's most likely right. When he says something is not possible he's most likely wrong.

[@Poxenium]

couldn't have said it better 👍

[@Pyriphlegeton]

This is the first of Arthur C. Clarke's "Three Laws": 1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. 2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. 3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Nailed it.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@PyriphlegetonI love Clarke's work, how have I not heard of those before? #1 is absolutely correct here.

[@ibcavid]

We don't really understand the situation, for example there are statements in mathematics that have been proven to be neither provable or disprovable. It doesnt mean that it is just very difficult to prove, but quite litterally impossible. I dont know if thats the case here but i am pretty sure it is

[@tannereckmann5404]

The question is not if it will work it already is working for playing pong and etc. The question is how long will it take to attain various different new capabilities. Each new capability requires more knowledge.

[@sergiopillay5737]

In 2017, Elon musk did say that the tesla semi is going to go into production in 2019. It's 2022 now. Why promise results if there's no way to deliver on them? The only reason I can think of is to pump up value.

[@siagrim701]

yeah...unfortunately this "expert" sounds like his knowledge/understanding has long since stagnated and he is no longer open to what is possible with current technology. you see it all the time, pioneers who just don't keep themselves open to the new just stagnate in the old and become irrelevant. this guy is on his way and adds being jealous on top of this. all of this is especially noticeable in that zoom call with his students via his tone and dismissiveness. its kind of sad.

[@marionogueiraramos9488]

yes, he should be cheering Neuralink for making heavy investments to give his scientific discoveries practical applications

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Nicolelis recently retired. So he's just a curmudgeonly old scientist yelling from the porch of his retirement home. He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work and he is now clearly jealous of others who will accomplish much more in much less time. Nicolelis is setting the tone for how he will be remembered, which will likely be poorly when remembered at all 20+ years from now.

[@MuitoDaora]

@@Me__Myself__and__I "He didn't accomplish all that much for his many decades of work". Nicolelis is THE name in the field. Neuralink is essentially based in his discoveries. But yeah he should be cherishing and not dismissing which is sad.

[@fabiosilva9637]

@@Me__Myself__and__I lmao... You just embarrassed yourself in this comment. Delete it before it's too late.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@MuitoDaora Its hard not to have a negative opinion of the man considering the statements he has been making. He comes off as petty and jealous.

[@djmir4]

Very smart people who dedicate themselves to a specific field of work often narrow their views of what is possible for good reasons. Creativity and innovation requires out of the box thinking. Both are useful tools at the right time.

[@FuncaliciousFeet]

very well said

[@philad2079]

And very smart people drop that idea if necessary. Amazon sells a lot of things and does a lot of work things. It focus is selling “economy of scale” which makes it not have a focus as it sells and does variety. The same applies to Google.

[@b-chu9747]

Elon is a clown and neuralink is a SCAM like everything he does. Go back to school.

[@ouimetco]

It is almost impossible to argue with this comment. Literally.

[@pyotr_sky7431]

13:55 hmmmm that fascinates me, we've been having alot of breakthroughs in this century(especially the previous centuries), what if we do achieve that in this century or the next. There might be pros and cons, but still interesting question

[@fredbloggs5902]

“When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong”. - Arthur C. Clarke (First Law).

[@edwardmorpeth5988]

Everything is impossible until someone achieves it.

[@turtleninja4032]

So that means everything is achievable ?

[@theDubleD]

@@turtleninja4032if you can dream it, you can make it!! I've been a space pilot in VR and am extremely grateful for the times we live in, even though everything's horse shit at the same time.

[@Jack-The-Gamer-]

@@turtleninja4032 as long as you aren’t breaking the laws of physics, yes. You have to remember that, it it’s core, the world is just a cluster of atoms. Once we start manufacturing on the atomic scale, that’s more or less the end game. Atomic scale manufacturing and a complete understanding of consciousness and the human brain are the two big components to immortality, tbh.

[@adamrak7560]

@@Jack-The-Gamer- two big components in a horrifying permanent distopy too, if we mess it up.

[@neovi6424]

Science is cool but engineers are the ones who really end up driving progress and changing the world.

[@_Scarlet1]

@@MM-nx8dt I think he might be talking about scientists but scientists and engineers are literally the same.

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible

[@thebgEntertainment1]

@@_Scarlet1 No engineers make stuff, scientist ussually use that stuff to investigate further

[@crubs83]

Scientists discover knowledge. Engineer take that knowledge and make use of it. Scientists take the things that engineers make to help them discover more, and so the cycle continues.

[@pabrodi]

@@MM-nx8dt If we depended exclusively on scientific theories, we wouldn't have bicycles or airplanes, as we don't have a solid physics that explains balance or lift.

[@peterhaywood4111]

I would like to know specifically why, as Nicholelis claims, why the aims of Neuralink defy physics? I didn't hear any examples for this assertion.

[@Luart1991]

Because the brain is dependent on physical experiences and organic neuroplasticity to create INTELLIGENCE. A digital brain will NEVER be able to replicate an organic brain

[@anthonylipke7754]

A patent inclusive of all possible BMI seems absurdly broad if the objective is furthering the sciences. Can you build an analog or even a digital circuit on another substrate such that the information or signal produced is indistinguishable from system noise? If so then why would an analog brain be different? i believe our brains must repair and replace over time so where is the magic? Doesn't mean it isn't ridiculously difficult. i don't know there for a assume is generally i bad basis and all I could possibly do regarding actual capabilities.

[@odderret]

Great video. Sour grapes from an old academic... I'm sure that he has done great work for BMI and neuroscience, but he's clearly bummed out that he is not in the spotlight. Petty

[@burstmxde6617]

Exactly my thoughts too..

[@neilhoover]

I look forward to you replaying Dr. Nicolelis’ comments after Elon Musk and Neuralink have succeeded. It always frustrates me to see experts in technological fields expressing such shortsightedness; by which, they are seemingly unaware of, or simply refuse to acknowledge, the exponential growth of technology.

[@johnc6786]

Problem is Elon doesn't know what he doesn't know, which makes him somewhat dangerous. As one who actually lives daily with a Deep Brain Stimulator, I don't want a great pretender, and usurper of other's hard work, anywhere near my brain.

[@dompit9535]

@@johnc6786 ITS ELON MUSK HE CAN DO ALL, WE MUST NEVER CRITICIZE HIM

[@ThomasThorr]

@@johnc6786 people who burnt witches at the stake didn't know what they didn't know. your argument is pointless and contradicted by history.

[@adithyashridhar324]

@@dompit9535 ALL HAIL LORD ELON. THE MAN WHO CAN NEVER BE WRONG. HIS WORD IS THE LAW OF THE LAND

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Neil

[@MellobotX]

I am cautiously optimistic about neuralink. I am an aeronautical engineer at the TU Delft and additionally had a cerebral infarction in 2008. ir. Nils Haeck M.Sc.

[@AniMageNeBy]

“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.”

[@raphaelnunes5925]

I've already encountered multiple Brazilian researchers claiming that Elon's efforts are either fruitless or too complicated to be even presentable in simple terms as he has done multiple times already. As a Brazilian myself, I think that, because of how we where taught watching over the news is a great and indispensable way of staying informed, we tend to get stuck at the surface level information presented by sensationalistic news outlets. Also, I THINK that, because we live on a third world country, in terms of new and upcoming technologies, instead of acquiring new information and drawing hypothesis and assumptions based on our prior knowledge, we tend to draw immediate conclusions because of our overall lack of touch with technological advancements and marksmanship that we and our parents have failed to grasp (But I'll have to look that up ;P.)

[@slartibartfast7921]

Doesn’t it seem like whenever we introduce national pride into any equation, it just fucks things up royally?

[@Franklin_Araujo]

Pra mim, o Musk não só vai conseguir como vai deixar a porteira aberta para os próximos que virão.

[@Franklin_Araujo]

Se o Musk conseguir que uma pessoa incapacitada recupere pelo menos um pouco de suas capacidades, logo no início do projeto, já vai ser um grande avanço.

[@fernandobernardo6324]

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[@raphaelnunes5925]

@@fernandobernardo6324 Só trazendo algo à ser discutido e reforçando a ideia de que nada é garantido quando o tempo entra em questão. Eu meio que generalizei o pensamento crítico apresentado pelo Dr. Miguel Nicolelis pra todo brasileiro, mas sem concretizar nada, justamente pra gerar discussão e reforçar o meu segundo ponto de que o correto é não trazer conclusões baseadas em experiências passadas, mas sim, trazer hipóteses. Se o jeito sarcástico do Brasileiro de duvidar de toda nova tecnologia não tem nada a ver com que eu mencionei, eu adoraria que alguém trouxesse uma contra-proposta. Por exemplo, eu sei que eu tô errado principalmente por incluir o próprio Dr. Nicolelis, que trabalhou tantos anos nesse ramo fora do Brazil, na questão de que o nosso país está consideravelmente atrasado na busca por novas tecnologias, só queria ver se alguém iria me corrigir.

[@magnamic5614]

Amazing coverage! I really appreciate this level of detail. Great job, Ryan and thanks. Edit: It’s quite possible that Elon’s claims could be wrong…BUT..it’s important that we try and fail to say whether or not a claim IS impossible. It’s our duty, as human beings, to learn from our past, fail in our present to secure our future.

[@ofconsciousness]

Can we all just appreciate this comment? Thank you, @Magnamic !

[@NeuraPod]

Thanks Magnamic

[@luciano12sa]

As a Brazilian, I can say with confidence that there is a plague in our culture called envy. A lot of Brazilians grew up in a culture of looking down on others people achievements, fake humble and just overall a criticizing mindset of work from others. Especially if they had a head start, like, rich parents, help from someone successful, even being born in a good environment is enough to have people looking down on your work and achievements. Not saying this is the case, but... sure as shit looks like it.

[@RhuanPacheco]

Síndrome de vira lata é foda, faz até você pensar que inveja é coisa de brasileiro... É triste ver como uma pessoa não conhece o mundo e reduz tudo a sua pequena vivencia.

[@luciano12sa]

E se por acaso outras culturas tiverem o mesmo problema, vai mudar o fato? Eu acho que inveja e egoísmo é característica humana, mas que por aqui é bem visível. é sim. @@RhuanPacheco

[@DaveR187]

Anything you can imagine can be done/build, maybe not today, but who is to say it can't be done tomorrow.

[@jacobrobbins8606]

As a supporter of Neuralink, its easy to get ruffled feathers here. But scientists like Nicolelis, despite the envy, are helping keep the big picture and history of the science in hand. It's good for any form of scientific advance to have constraints. Innovation should be guided by sound theory.

[@remo27]

If he has CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (that didn't come off as personal attacks) and well founded doubts (rather than "It can never be done!" without identifying a first principle of science as to why) you'd be right. Unfortunately if someone isn't paying him to trash Elon and Neuralink(Elon has lots of big enemies now for just about every one of his companies), he comes off as a bit jealous or resentful and thus he is overdoing his criticism at the minimum. Of course this means he becomes easy to dismiss entirely, which is unfortunate.

[@futuroptimist]

I think an important thing to keep in mind is that Neuralink is working on operationalizing former lab research on a large scale, much like how Tesla is utilizing machine learning state of the art in its FSD stack. Like you mentioned, Neuralink is absolutely not denying that its work builds on prior art, so I definitely am not convinced by the “copycat” argument.

[@NeuraPod]

Great point Futuroptimist.

[@feonor26]

No, absolutely not. The former heads of Neuralink were doing something sensible with it as they wanted to help people with prosthesis etc. Then came Elon who had watched too many sci-fi movies and promised you could download knowledge and skills to your brain like they do in The Matrix and he also promised you could upload your brain into a computer. I mean COME ON!!! Not ONE fucking critical question from ANY journalist ANYWHERE?!? Jesus fucking Christ people, are you that gullible?!

[@storycorps1234]

I don't know I'm just a simple Carpenter but I have adapted my brain to digital response with all the technology required for my job and personal life. Hence a good enough analog machine can be adaptable to digital technology no?

[@seanprzybyla2157]

I think the main thing to take here is that Duke and other pioneers in the BMI sciences are furthering the science and understanding. Musks team at Neuralink is primarily commercialising this and developing a real world product based on the understanding of the science provided by those prior pioneers/researchers. Refining materials, algorithms etc. I havent heard any promises from Musk regarding neuralink, only hopes and possibilities.

[@zerosugarmatcha7348]

It's like the first man invented the telescope, after he heard someone else built a telescope 1,000 times more powerful and arguing: there's nothing new to see, go home!

[@GHSxBloodrage]

miguel mixes up some things in his statements against elon or neuralink. I am surprised that he is against it instead of wanting to work on it ... I mean he would have the possibility to finish what he has started many years ago.

[@lanceanthony5043]

For an expert to say it is impossible is essentialy saying they are not smart enought to figure out how to do the task themselves.

[@jtcoding6422]

It might not be a new idea but I believe that Elon has brought the field to the light of the public. This will allow more to contribute and hopeful bring about advancements that otherwise would've taken many more years to achieve. I don't think Nicolelis' work will be over looked. We often study and learn of the pioneers in the field we research. Instead I'm certain his help would be useful in advancing the field further and possibly help Neuralink better scope what they plan to achieve.

[@ralphylaure2527]

What about clearly state what you plan to achieve to the world and remain strictly within a known and verified boundary. Remember, in no time this effort will be duplicated by other competent parties and hopefully ethics will not be lagging far behind and the interest of the general public will be protected.

[@jtcoding6422]

@@ralphylaure2527 I'm not necessarily sure what you mean by "state what you plan to achieve to the world" they have already stated what they wish to do with this technology. Also how is a field expected to advance when it is limited to "known and verified boundaries". Regardless, none of the experiments have really pushed the boundaries, all they have done so far is upgrade the tech that is being used in these experiments.

[@tenzinpassang4812]

I listened to Miguel's full interview on Ladan's podcast. He sounded lot like Bob Lutz during early Tesla stage. Although this might one of the biggest challeenge for Elon, I loved when Miguel said, "it's impossible to do what he's claiming becuase it's against the law of physics." A brain solution limited by physics, i'll take my chances with Elon. 😎😎😤😤

[@ThisIS_Insane]

Remember, he has warnings for his own AI project, so he knows there is a certain amount of risk. Lots of it.

[@waynerussell6401]

Nickola and Daimler made similar assertions on the Tesla Semi. “If Tesla really delivers on this promise, we’ll obviously buy two trucks - one to take apart and one to test because if that happens, something has passed us by. But for now, the same laws of physics apply in Germany and in California.” Daimler’s head of trucks, Martin Daum

[@markbons7766]

interesting to watch such a distinguished neurologist inadvertently neuter his own argument

[@harrywoods9784]

Just a thought, there are many Paths to the top of a mountain ,Elon it’s just on a different path 🤔

[@gregbailey45]

Followed same path to the point where it petered out...

[@NeroLobo]

Awesome video. Thank you.

[@Thedeepseanomad]

Impossible refers to events that can not happen, as they violate fundamental laws of physics or lies beyond energy levels or scales we can never hope to access and apply.

[@shuriken4852]

Dr. Nicolelis just seems salty because Elon made more progress in a year than he did in decades. His argument is like saying that because he invented the first pong console, that Elon inventing the Nintendo NES is the same, it is one thing to create an expansive low volume basic product, it is a whole different ball game to design a low cost complex mass-produceable one. Plus I would be curious to know how difficult it is to install their probes and if they can easily remove them with very little scarring or trauma like Neuralink.

[@lamjay6656]

Completely agree. Salty is the word. Or he has a hidden agenda.

[@satoshinakamoto7253]

its been done before by braingate and those compaines in 2008, its vey possible

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Nicolelis is a curmudgeonly old man yelling from the porch from his retirement home. The physical implant technology, being self contained and the surgery robot are things no one else has done. Those are the things that would be required for real-world useable adoption in many people. So for those things alone Neuralink is way ahead of everything else and inventing things no one else has done - but you don't see Nicolelis giving them ANY credit for any of that.

[@shuriken4852]

@@satoshinakamoto7253 If I remeber correctly, Braingate is using the Utah array with only 100 electrodes. Like I said Pong vs NES, not the same.

[@saberpendragon8936]

Experts are only good at telling you why something is impossible. - Peter Diamandis

[@matheusv.deazevedovenicism6883]

Awesome quote

[@LoLsaladz]

Academic experts are often better at criticizing others work than doing good work themselves. Also claiming that other stole their work without credit, or somehow claiming credit for all inventions in their field…

[@johnnyson7474]

Car expert as well as engineers said the same thing for electric cars and reusable rockets. Now they are just eating their words. This new company will revolutionize how we communicate with technology. I am already calling it now.

[@fgabrieltomas]

Elon to the Professora: hold my beer

[@joeysalazar4356]

Hahaha! Every "expert" always doubts musk in the beginning.

[@zaneenaz4962]

Making things practical and relevant, this skill benefits us all. Turning the art into a science and the science into a product....a long path. Identifying the solvable...asking the right questions. Bringing together the work of many, particularly the ideas of the early dreamers and tryers often requires a re-focus that is hard to accept...until things are well in motion. It's more than what's doable, or possible....they interplay.

[@ralphylaure2527]

Take for instance Nuclear Energy: It's practical and relevant..Now does it benefit us all?????!!!!

[@bmwcar5081]

Hello.I have auditory, visual hallucinations, nervousness, aggressiveness, irritability, obsessive-compulsive disorders, fear, timidity, cowardice.Will neuralink help me?

[@davoce2]

Thankyou, this kind of article is just the motivation he needs

[@infinitumneo840]

Many times in history people have said "it is impossible" only until someone does it. I can understand his incertitude, but the way to progress is only accomplished by visionaries.

[@happyguy8725]

Someone just shit on their own reputation

[@angelcordero717]

Experts also say, landing a rocket is impossible, or a car that runs on batteries, I CAN CONTINUE THE LIST but won’t!

[@jocastfi]

The problem is not whether it is possible or not, but the side effects it will produce in the individual's neuro system. Now, why some people would submit themselves to this experiment without even considering the risks is a total mystery.

[@dannonbaker92]

Because some people don’t have the ability to walk. Some don’t even have the ability to talk on their own. This gives them a white light at the end of a very dark tunnel. Figured that would be obvious. To some people life is already misery my guy. To tell a paraplegic person he needs to be happy and thankful for what he has with no dreams to change it is calloused and silly. If they deem that they would be happy to be a part of the experiment who are we to question that as healthy and mobile people. I’m sure they consider the risk. But they also consider the possibilities for themselves and everyone else like them.

[@d.c.monday4153]

So Neuralink is impossible? Good! That means Elon will find a way of doing it!! He has done this with everything he has tried and this will be no exception.

[@angeldna2566]

Musky is into technocracy like his granddaddy. I don't know how you feel about technology ruling all but I don't much care for the idea. Especially if it's 'mandated' (lol) for everyone to integrate technology into them & their children's bodies.

[@vladimirirkhin]

@@angeldna2566 no one said anything about mandate or anything being mandatory...

[@lennysmileyface]

How's that hyperloop going?

[@dislike__button]

One thing I learned in life is to never bet against Elon Musk.

[@vladimirirkhin]

@@dislike__button and how to recommend videos from a decade ago

[@arthura2030]

Elon is just crazy ambitious. It might fail and Elon knows that form the begginning I'm sure, but he has the resources to invest on this project and it's something that he wants to do so why not. Since people can't grasp it happening they'll keep saying it's not possible, until it happens or is visibly within grasp. It was the same for SpaceX and Tesla.

[@missld6856]

Same as the fricken light bulb and the telephone. Sounded unbelievable

[@feonor26]

Crazy ambitious? That's an understatement. The guy has watched too many sci-fi movies. I mean Jesus jumping Christ, are there no alarm bells ringing when he talks about Neuralink will make it possible to download new skills into your brain and that you can upload your consciousness into a computer?!? Are there NO critical questions you have to a claim like that or do you just accept it because it's the electric Jesus mr Elon Musk? The guy is a fucking con man.

[@feonor26]

@@missld6856 Not the same. Because at the time the light bulb or the telephone was invented we didnt know much about the physics of it except that it was possible. The stupid shit Elon proposes we know a lot about what's possible or not within the boundries of physics. He doesn't know jack shit about neurascience, but still he wants to drill a hole into people's skull and insert a chip. He's already done some nightmarish experiments on animals with horrible results. The dude should be in jail for that.

[@harveykaplan1509]

Mr Musk, I can show you how to “re-think”Neuralink in terms that are congruent with the device shown in Natalie Woods last film: “Brainstorm”. The key is to understand that human consciousness creates a Scalar Wave that can interface with a properly designed Scalar Wave Antenna. Surgical Electrode Implantation may be Unnecessary . RSVP. HCKAPLANMD

[@RAILWAY_FILMS]

ambitions don't always lead to success.

[@friedmemes3245]

This is basically like looking at the prototype stage of cell phones and saying it's nothing new because it uses radio waves to communicate

[@amt5911]

23:55 So he says he's not convinced Neuralink is even real, then provides no evidence to back his accusation except for "it can't happen" & "it's against the laws of physics" but then gives no further explanation. He's honestly seems jealous more than anything.

[@racefan2k3]

“Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done. One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen.” -RAH

[@Scholzey]

I think he is disregarding the importance of the interface. He seems more interested in how the brain works or interacts, but you need a really good interface as a base or nothing of value will be achieved at any sort of scale. After the interface and installation is sorted, then major resources can be put toward making it work(programming/machine learning)

[@musaran2]

While a lot of the Neuralink presentations focus precisely on interface.

[@digitalnomad9985]

The patent claim is absurd. You can patent a mechanism or a process, you can't patent an application.

[@Ungtartog]

All you need is a binary input/output... everything else can extend from there. Remember that is all that computers are based on, and every other function emerges from that. Initial efforts will be crude and rudimentary and will be refined as we improve fidelity and resolution. It does not matter if the technologies are new or not, it is implementation that is lacking. This has been the modality of many of Elon's innovations... bringing existing technologies that are not being utilized to full effect and bringing them into full acceptance and implementation. I like your assess of how the media (and thus some easily influenced segments of the public) slants aginst him and misconstrues his ambitions.

[@gurkarngill2381]

They said the same thing about electrical cars. Yes the fact remains. Most individuals are geniuses but they have no idea how to bring in investors and build a customer base and generate a team to finance their study further.

[@mirarstudios]

I'm not really going to engage in the debate between the good Dr and Elon but I just wanted to say I found your presentation really well done and illuminating 👍🏻

[@dkoo232]

It's nice to see opposing opinions to level out hype. Still optimistic though :)

[@vladimirirkhin]

leveling out hype... I like the ring of it

[@jurajskoda]

Wonderful work :)

[@GrayFoxGamingHD]

They also had electric cars 100 years ago. That didnt stop Elon from making it better. Nicolelis is an expert in the field , but i also have a feeling his butthurt that someone else is having a go at anwsering questions his been unable to so far. I fully support them both and also the dream that this tech can make people in wheelchairs walk again.

[@thefoundingtitanerenyeager2345]

Sure we may have had electric cars for 100+ years in fact there was electric cars BEFORE gas, the reason why they weren’t implemented is that the battery technology was wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse and the range and speed for the first electric car were nothing compared to the first gas cars. So electric cars started selling I’m the 2000s because the battery technology was finally competitive to gas

[@edgallagher8675]

7 years ago any rocket scientist would've told you landing a spent booster back on earth was impossible. 11 years ago any automotive engineer would've told you that making an electric car that can compete with an ICE car in price and performance was impossible. Impossible just means Elon Musk hasn't done it yet.

[@LucasAndradeX]

Can you show any relevant scientist in the field that made those affirmations?

[@russellpuff1996]

"Reusable rockets are impossible." "Making compelling electric vehicles are impossible." I see a pattern here where Elon's companies do the impossible.

[@congratz9396]

Reminds me of the saying “once is a chance, twice is a coincidence and the third time is a pattern”. He’s definetly going for the pattern

[@alireid5874]

the pattern seems to be that they are all long cons. Time will tell...

[@Ashakat42]

Musk had nothing to do with developing the Tesla.

[@jimgrant4578]

The space shuttle was reusable since 1980. Not perfect, but reusable.

[@rabokarabekian409]

They have not done the impossible, but only the unpredicted. DO you know what the word, "impossible" means?

[@reeeeee987]

oh wow, the expert also said something about his reuseable rocket as well

[@enslavedbytruth]

@14:10 .... 20 yrs ago Live Broadcast TV was already a reality, the advancement of doing it with cellphones is not a quantum leap

[@ofconsciousness]

The moment he said "download your brain to a CD"...wow. So you don't just totally lie about what Elon said, you make the lie blatant by referencing a piece of hardware that hasn't been in use since I was a small child. It's really hard to take him seriously. Would have felt really different if he praised Neuralink's accomplishments and took the opportunity to brag about the groundwork his research laid. I think he may have gotten more popularity that way.

[@joshlewis575]

He as someone who is honestly looking out for humanity, unlike musk, he don't give a shit about popularity. He's pissed that he has to scratch and claw for every penny he gets for his provable research. While musk gets handed 100s of millions because people think he's Tony stark

[@amyshoemaker5770]

This brain scientist is not looking for popularity He is trying to warn people against this Neurolink insanity. But of course it's up to the people if they want to be turned into zombies cyborgs

[@thefoundingtitanerenyeager2345]

Facts I don’t think Elon ever stated that you could download your brain into a computer much less a CD.

[@PhilfreezeCH]

I am pretty sure the reason he used a CD in this case is to show just how insanely limited current storage technology is compared to our brain. It is estimated that our brain has a storage capacity in the petabyte range but that would likely not be enough since it takes likely more information to describe the stored information and the way it is stored, than to just store the information itself (you need the first one to be able to use the second one though). Even if we assume the absolut lowest end one petabyte. The absolut maximum per-drive storage capacity at the moment is 100GB, you would need at least 10 of them (probably more to have some redundancy) but each costs 40‘000$, so that is not exactly feasible. Currently the price per TB of hard drive storage is roughly 15-20$, lets use 15$. That means it still costs 15‘000$ without any redundancy to store the smallest assumption of what our brain is capable of.

[@ralphylaure2527]

Maybe we should worry about knowing much more about the nature and dynamics of proteins, enzymes, DNA first, at the molecular and macro levels so we can handle Failures and Uncertainties

[@mathewk2961]

What I was hearing throughout this video was Miguel Nicolelis saying me, me, me, I, I, I. And from Elon Musk came; We did such and such, and it took Us to develop this. Miguel Nicolelis is more concerned with being recognized in the annals of science as a great scientist than being a great scientist. Yes, he has made some great steps forward but how much more could he achieve if he wasn't so worried about someone else getting the glory. I once worked for a very successful business man when I was a kid. One day i asked him how he was able to be so successful? He replied, " I hire people who can do the job better than me.". This is also Elon Musk in a nutshell.

[@ralphylaure2527]

Yes it is..got to remember though for an Entrepreneur, their bragging rights are less their Ego than their bank accounts.

[@adriandimitrijeski]

Guess what, once upon a time, astronomy 'experts' like buzz aldrin said that reusable rockets were impossible...

[@amerlad]

honestly how are people still arrogant enough to call things ''impossible'' not a single thing has been impossible since the inception of the universe. literally anything is possible, some things are just harder to achieve than others.

[@Radioposting]

Why do I get the feeling that Nicolelis is just a little bit butt-hurt?..

[@breathtakingsamurai981]

This situation reminds me of like when scientists and engineers back in early 1900s published articles in newspapers on why it's impossible to build a flying machine because it's heavier than air...

[@thefoundingtitanerenyeager2345]

There’s a infamous newspaper released 5 days before the Wright brothers successful plane that says on the first page in big letters on the front page A flying machine will take 5-10 million years to create

[@simonsn4996]

the theory of human flight being possible was already established by Otto v. Lilienthal when he flew 250m with his (ridiculous looking- google it) flight machine. Sadly he couldnt refute the articles because he sadly crashed and died

[@danielsimpson6885]

The problem with EV'S is the massive, massive amounts of seriously harsh chemicals it takes to extract just one tone of lithium, not including over half a million litres of water. Ev's are going to have a much greater environmental impact than any Internal combustion engine could ever have.

[@floof9789]

And rocket experts said orbital boosters could not be landed and re-used

[@sawyerw5715]

I was part of the Moore's law advance of IC's as I worked in ECAD for decades. Nicolelis is like someone who invented the transistor, complaining about people moving on to IC's, large scale IC's(LSI), very large scale(VLSI), etc. Exponential advances tend find new capabilities and applications. I think he would be better served to admire Neurolink advances, and potentially even use their devices to advance his own research. Today's world tends to reward those who get involved in "controversy", because it gains clicks, so in a way he is just trying to maintain relevance as he is being passed technologically. He also probably wants to establish some ownership through existing patents. It comes across as sour grapes as the expression goes.

[@ralphylaure2527]

If that is all to be concerned about as the Human brain is being manipulated, ..kind of remind me of the days some would gladly ingests Elixir of highly radio-active potions for their proclaimed curative benefits

[@kabzebrowski]

His problem is not people doing research, it's: 1. doing research which is highly based or even the same experiments he did, while not giving him nor his predecessors the due credits; 2. turning science into a cheap show. Portuguese sources are way more indepth in these matters.

[@josebonete]

Nicolelis has been doing this for over 30 years. Neuralink has been doing it for 5 years. In 5 years, Neuralink has caught up to Nicolelis and I might say passed Nicolelis up. The level of advancements in material science alone is beyond Nicolelis expertise. Give it another 5 years and Nicolelis will eat his words and be left in the dust of his old research. What if any, advancements Nicolelis has made in the last 5 years? None. It seems to me he is just trying to gain recognition for himself of old discoveries. As if no one credits him for it. Everyone does, me included. in 24 months it will become clear.

[@LuizFernandodaSilvaBorges]

Why in 24 months?

[@josebonete]

@@LuizFernandodaSilvaBorges Simply because Neuralink have passed Nicolelis' research. All of the technology that Neuralink is creating will be new. One of the areas that Nicolelis has not done is the use AI. Another area is the digitization of the signals. The brain is analog. This is where Nicolelis' research have stopped. He has no expertise in digitization. Another area is technology miniaturization. There are several companies building wafer fabs that can manufacture 3 nanometer chips. Another area is electrode technology. Currently, the electrodes goes straight in. Imagine how the oil industry have done. Early on oil drilling was basically straight down. Then they created an oil drill that can turn in different directions. Now imagine an articulating electrode that can avoid blood vessels and travel deeper to the optimum area of the brain. Another area is the number of nodes per electrode. Imagine having millions of nodes. Another area is .... well you get the picture.

[@ibcavid]

I think you don't understand what science really is. Nicolelis has been researching and getting results for decades. What do you mean by saying Neuralink caught up to him . Nicolelis got results and published them, it means there is no need to re discover or re event things he published that's why it took Neuralink 5 years to "catch up" and litterally do not get almost nothing new.

[@ibrab.5114]

@@ibcavid Exactly

[@paulbirkbeck1790]

It can be all done by frequency ELF this is old technology I personally have been experimented on

[@pladselsker8340]

Mr. Nicolalis says: "It's basically against the laws of physics" Why? It's not written in my phisics book at least. Does he have any idea how damn hard it is to prove something is impossible? It gets to me everytime when anyone says "ItsS ImpOSiFblE" and doesn't have a full fledged undeniable proof.

[@HalNordmann]

Connecting a computer to a brain probably isn't technically impossible. However, we are still a long way away from that - and the way Neuralink approaches the problem really sounds weird even to somebody with limited knowledge in the field. It will turn out just like Theranos, mark my words.

[@DomainAspect]

Probably.

[@tres155]

except unlike Theranos we actually have a working model in a monkey, the monkey can control a game with its mind.

[@heartflame503]

Nice content! thanks for this. I agree that Neuralink is going too SciFi in some projections. but like you said it was a recruiting presentation. I think neuralink is going down a narrow but pragmatic and practical path that will yield good practical and saleable implementations. However, it is not the full breadth of what we can learn and do in the BMI field. I particular like the direction being taken by Dr Mary Lou Jepsen where they use non invasive techniques to read and stimulate the brain via light..

[@itsReallyLou]

"a narrow path"? Everything has to start somewhere. Musk has demonstrated an incredible ability to ramp up technologies at warp speed.

[@ralphylaure2527]

Thinking about Breath and Deapth in such enterprise..i'd rather take my chances at colonizing Mars first.

[@heartflame503]

@@ralphylaure2527 Dunno .. in 10 years we may have a couple of people living on Mars. In 10 years we will have thousands of people with neurallink implants.

[@stevewilson5296]

I have a full duplex bci and I'm able bodied I'd like to work for Neuralink

[@th3roomi342]

Honestly I saw a beetle get controlled physically by a lab. Idk if I want to get the implant and have no control of my motor skills. Why would Elon want to control how we think or move

[@fredbloggs5902]

Given that Neuralink has already been demonstrated to have functions good enough to transform many people’s lives on a massive scale (even if it’s only spinal injuries, the sheer numbers are challenging, 290,000 in the US alone), attacking Elon seems unwise, if highly fashionable at the moment, this will not age well.

[@vigneshkr7072]

How an overhyped lobotomy help with nerve injuries? Or do you mean some movement aids controlled by this brain chip interphase.

[@olfrud]

When have they demonstrated that? Any empirical data or do refer to their wishlist of things they want to do?

[@fredbloggs5902]

@@olfrud a chimp was able to play pong within a few hours. The device has 1024 channels and functions without wires penetrating the skin which is important to prevent infections. The video is on the company KZbin channel.

[@dubeme.3014]

Now that experts are saying that it definitely won’t work, I’m even more sure that the company will be successful.

[@larsmarklund9640]

We need a compatibility layer like wine or proton for uploading programs to the brain in the brains own language.

[@thorddespace2773]

We have plenty of examples of the old (established) authorities being wrong. I leave it at that, not speculating about the reason.