Neuralink Isn't Telling Us Something...

[@voradorhylden3410]

They will eventually pump ads right into your brain. No skipping that.

[@kevinm.328]

Ads are the least of your problems. No doubt this could be used for mind control.

[@ghostburgers4284]

​@@kevinm.328 most humans are dumb enough to easily mind control so this is just redundant

[@djangosouthwest6043]

​@@kevinm.328 exactly

[@roboticfuzzball179]

@@kevinm.328ads and media already do that without being drilled into your brain 😭

[@kevinm.328]

@roboticfuzzball179 they have convince you now. With an implant, who knows what they'll be capable of doing

[@carafurry7862]

People are gonna look back at this in 1-2 hundred years and be like "lobotomy 3.0" 1.0 leucotomy 2.0 lobotomy 3.0 neurolink

[@Unmaleable]

Wrong

[@carafurry7862]

@@Unmaleable you can't spell wrong without ron

[@Unmaleable]

@@carafurry7862 That makes absolutely no sense

[@carafurry7862]

@@Unmaleable you can't spell absolutely without lute!

[@Unmaleable]

@@carafurry7862 wackadoole

[@grumpusmaximus9446]

So I looked up this company online. I used a broad search pattern (Precision neural implants) to start off with. I was able to find this company, and scanned through the contents briefly. Not a lot of detail but that's no surprise. They did have a video giving testimony from one patient, but no actual demonstration of what her capabilities were, just talking about it. There were several links to articles from different groups, news agencies and publications. The usual fluff pieces you would expect a company to link to. I couldn't find anything about 14 people that have already gone through this procedure, but I didn't look through everything. However I did see one news article where the company was boasting about FDA approval to start human trials back in January of 2023. You would think if they had 14 successful procedures completed since January of last year, the whole world would have heard about this by now.

[@myxalplyx]

I'm starting to see a pattern from Tesla Space on the negative bias towards Elon Musk's projects. I do enjoy the videos because they are informative but has a STRONG negative bias and assumptions it puts out to people. Will keep watching but will comment as I see this continue if it isn't justified.

[@erikahentschke5208]

Musk...???... neurolink...???... Self driven impregnation..??..

[@Yakoaxxi]

@@myxalplyx get elons dick out yo mouth

[@richieraa]

I'm out.

[@orthodox_gentleman]

Yea dude I haven’t been able to find any hard data other than the fluff.

[@mrfn-wb1cw]

I'd rather not have a chip implanted in my brain. This sounds like a scenario you would see in a dystopian movie

[@Barrett_Jesus]

Just give me super power exo suits or robotic arms and legs like the movie. I Robot or a, robotic kidney for my dying ones.

[@in.der.welt.sein.]

America as a whole is like a dystopian movie today.

[@Barrett_Jesus]

@@in.der.welt.sein. LOL its nuts here

[@raydavison4288]

​@@in.der.welt.sein.it's about to get worse.

[@ted_van_loon]

especially with it being propetairy closed source, meaning you don't know what it does or how, and it might very well have some cirquit in it to explode or fry tr brain. next to that them having more acces to your thoughts and brain than you have yourself. any such tech already is bad if it isn't free open source.

[@RandomGuyOnYoutube601]

I bet dollars to donuts that the patient 0 was in fact informed about the risks.

[@GET2222]

Exactly. This clown totally has a bias against musk. He can’t help himself. 😂 Until this new method can interact with a computer interface both of these solutions are viable for different reasons. Science is meant to be pushed. This clown got fired from Tesla and he’s bitter about it. A buddy of mine from Spacex who worked there for 7.5 years knows this guy. He’s still bitter. 😂

[@ChosenSquirrel]

He was informed of the risks , probably didn't know that specifically could happen but this is what Trials are for . LIstened to that interview , Nolan was slightly taken out of context as far as I can tell.

[@engkino]

He was , he said it during the interview. This video guy is a liar

[@13thbiosphere]

the monkeys were not informed

[@ChosenSquirrel]

@@13thbiosphere Well which is better having a vulture rip your body open while your alive or have weird humans experiment on your brain while giving you banana smoothy for your whole life . Nature is cruel. So long as animal testing isn't done for needless cruelty its fine. Like that one experiment where some scientists let some dogs face get eaten by sand flees .

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

7:10 Musk reading about the butchers nails in Warhammer 40k. Elon Musk: I think this is a good idea,

[@residentsleeper8639]

Somewhere in the Warp right now, Angron is even angrier than usual...Somehow.

[@honkhonk8009]

I made a joke 2 months ago calling it the Butchers Nails lol. Imagine thats how it turns out

[@thenotoriousfoca1339]

Blood for the blood god!

[@keithnance4209]

Feels like the same argument for Tesla…the “competition” is coming…which is always a good thing…it keeps Neuralink on their innovative toes while hopefully the other companies can also deliver breakthroughs that benefit humanity.

[@ChosenSquirrel]

I have no doubt that the competior will help people. But I don't know if it will have good write speed . Which would be required for making the blind see. But I am no expert , the less invasive the better long term... though I lean towards neurolink

[@Allets-cz1mg]

It’s not the argument but analysis

[@RegiJatekokMagazin]

Ye, now we can legalize this and make chips for newborn childs and look every thought and feelings. This is pure obsession and business. We dont have control of each other on earth or what?

[@boo3046]

@@RegiJatekokMagazin Bruh that episode from Black Mirror about to come true

[@chriskelso723]

Thats great. But, it always devolves from helping humanity to padding rich pockets.

[@Ivytheherbert]

Ben: "Hey, we might be able to help people without causing brain damage!" Elon: "Yeah, but can we program them?"

[@federicocaputo9966]

I mean, elon does have a point though. Ben's technology would be completely inefective when trying to fix sensations. Lets say you lost a part of the nervous system for your arm. Bens method may allow you to control a robotic arm. You would either have to have a backpack or cut your paralysed arm off, and you wouldnt have sensation, that I dont think many people realize how important it is (just with that you can kinda estimate where your arm is without having to be looking at it). With musk method, you could connect the brain back to the arm, and restore communication (maybe, evenually), which woukd restore arm mobility and sensation. Musk methid is also being tested to restore eyesight, another thing bens method wont be able to do.

[@SirBitesALot101]

@@federicocaputo9966​​⁠​⁠But the problem are the risks, the brain is one of the most vital parts of the human body, and any sort of damage has the chance to permanently disable someone. Prosthetic arms and legs don't have this problem, as they're basically only affecting the end of our bodies, and there's more room for mistakes. Although we _do_ have way more knowledge compared to before, we still have a significant amount of information to dig up about the brain. Until then, we shouldn't be planting some random neuro-chip device into peoples brains, well at least in my opinion.

[@TornFromHell]

@@SirBitesALot101you can’t tell me you wouldn’t do it for the chance to hug a loved one again someone fully paralyzed isn’t really living much of a life. Would I want one? No. But if someone else wants one they tell them the risks, so 🤷‍♂️

[@catbert7]

@@SirBitesALot101 The risks are unknown, which is why they are being explored. Maybe they will be too great but probably not. If you don't want one that is totally fine but do not act like you have the right to choose for others, especially those suffering greatly, for whom this tech could bring relief and joy.

[@eugeniosabater8449]

Me: to do what? Clean Tesla cars???

[@sandmehlig]

It was stated by the Neuralink patient in an interview (by Ellie in Space, i think) that the brain movement caused the dislodging of the electrodes. These movements might not cause to dislodge this array electrode but will add difficulties with having to assign the recorded signals to the respective region of the moving brain during real life activities that do not include lying still on an operating table during brain surgery while having your head fixed with a stereotactic device.

[@bullatognya5480]

Also, even though first neuralink patient lost a lot of connections, company fixed that by implementing another route for receiving signals, so no biggie for the guy

[@FractalNinja]

I just dont really see much of a point in brain chip interfaces when we have stuff like FMRI helmets that with the assistance of AI can interpret brain signals from sensory inputs into strings of descriptive text

[@sandmehlig]

@@FractalNinja Interpreting individual data generated by fMRI was seen as rather unreliable (Rotem B-N et al. 2020, Nature 582, 84-88.). The question is: what is faster and easier and cheaper (not costing millions per device) in developing a fMRI helmet with or without the necessary transportable cooling device and data analyzer you can wear in any situation and weather or an implantable device.

[@CatherinePuce]

@@bullatognya5480 Maybe not a biggie for the guy but a big setback for the company. The need to implement an another route is far from ideal and point to a design problem.

[@DanielJoyce]

So it works so long as you hold your head still...😂

[@NULLMINDSOUND]

Neura-link = Arasaka. Precision = Kiroshi. If you played cyberpunk? You get it.

[@federicocaputo9966]

Funnily enough, kiroshi specializes in optics, something Precision definitiveky wont be doing since their method doesnt seem capable or designed to write to the brain.

[@NULLMINDSOUND]

@@federicocaputo9966 And i think that's perfectly ethical when it comes to neural implants. A read/write system would be catastrophic for any neurological endeavor like this. Given the tech's originally theirs? There's no telling the damage that could be caused with the ability to write to the human brain without it's consent or knowledge. The idea alone has huge 1984 vibes written all over it. Influence is already a dangerous thing. If it can be forced? It's "So long" to free will.

[@SmashTheAdam]

Holy shit i was just thinking about Cyberpunk (Edgerunners to be specific, never played the game)

[@NULLMINDSOUND]

@@SmashTheAdam Edgerunner's is a great parallel to that, actually. Kurosaki and his BDs were capable of exactly that, without David even knowing he was in one. The whole idea was to feed so much stimulation to his cerebral cortex that he pops and goes Cyberpsycho. the read/write capabilities from the mil-spec chrome would be the best comparison next to the guy in game who rants about Arasaka being able to see through your eyes. Guy's fried, sure. He's got a point though lol. (Also Cyberpunk in current phase is extremely worth playing. 10/10 recommend)

[@DaleCooper222]

Wait. Cyphire is about precision. Install the mod and you'll see 😅

[@stevenmcneely1466]

You didn't show any footage of Precision patients interfacing with a computer, so I'm assuming that hasn't happened yet. I'll wait for that to happen before I judge how effective the Precision implant is.

[@aidanr998]

he said in the video it's only used to collect data during other brain surgeries and then removed - they are doing it this way to promote large data collection safely, without having installing a permanent implant

[@aidanr998]

basically, they have way better data than Neuralink, but they are not developing direct working implants with the intention to use it on anyone yet.

[@yangvolcanos]

i would imagine that they have to collect data first, as much as possible to train their ML model for interfacing with computer applications. just being able to record electrical impulses from the brain won't make the computer magically understand what the pattern of impulses mean. the computer need to be told what impulse patterns are associated with what actions of the human before it can start decoding new impulse patterns. seems like Precision are at the stage of ML, decoding impulse patterns collected by their device and have yet to reach the stage of actually interfacing the patient with any computer applications from the info presented in this video.

[@SexKing-hj9nv]

@@aidanr998 this, kinda makes the whole video pointless and shows the creator made it to farm views and retain attention. They are different techs with different end goals. One is designed to gather data in a temporary setting (due to the brain moving I highly doubt the thin film implant could be left in the brain for long period of time) and the other is to relay data to allow people to interface with computers. The video acts like its it comparing amd and nevida gpus but really its comparing nevida gpus to amd cpus, similar techwith completely different end goals and then declaring one the winner.

[@Ludak021]

here you go v=LfwzfP8cp3A . It changed his life. It happened 3 months before this video.

[@sagnipthewizard1675]

You couldn't pay me to get a brain chip. Just wait till they say you can't participate in society without one...

[@darealmrog]

Basically like the rapture... when you can only pay by a palm chip/neural chip...

[@Kenneth91619]

It's less then 5 years to go. The Bible already outlined this dystopian future where they have ultimate control.

[@ms.pirate]

I'm already castout from society from a neurological disorder, and I also refuse to go back to therapy after the trauma they endorsed on me! Do you honestly think I would get chipped just to go back? The world has gone insane and I want no part of it!

[@cbaesemanai]

perhaps if you were completely paralyzed you may have a very different opinion.

[@ConfuzzledOwO]

Naw, it wont start off that way. It will be much more insidious and subtle. They will frame it first as something the public will want by framing it as a tool for entertainment or way to enhance your life. It will be like the internet or the smartphone. There will be an incentive to get it and use it. Much like a smartphone and the internet, it wont become enforced on the people, it will just gradually become so engrained into society that anyone who doesnt have a brain chip will get left behind and experience overwhelming fomo. No one is going to be forcing you into anything most likely ever. Just backed into a corner with an illusion of a choice. Personally i find the very concept of a brainchip disgusting not just for a sociatal standpoint, but physically its just gross to have something unnatural and manmade cut, inserted, stuffed, and lodged into the part of your body that makes the rest of you function.

[@cheshirest9067]

"Elon resorts to an invasive, forceful and potentially brain damaging approach to get what he wants" *Looks at Twitter's current state* "Yeah, I'm totally surprised by that..."

Is Precision bidirectional? Because Neuralink is and that is the whole point. Any use will be limited if your interface can only "listen" and not "talk"!

[@alexm7023]

I think neuralink's long term goal is bidirectional, but they are still only "listening" at current stage. I could find any bidirectional reference in current trials

[@yangvolcanos]

the idea of a bidirectional brain implant is honestly scary, it opens up the possibility of having your brain hacked by malicious actors, literally. imagine you have no history of seizures at all in your life, not even any family history of it, but with a bidirectional implant, someone could induce a seizure in your brain quite literally by electrocuting your brain. cybersecurity of medical devices need to improve if this is to ever become reality.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Quite frankly, bidirectional scares me.

[@tommapar]

@@Drunken_Hamster As well it should. They already implant thoughts and ideas into your brain through most media. Imagine the damage they'd cause with actual direct access to your brain.

[@norton_antivirus]

Would rather not get my brain hacked and my memories deleted/overwritten

[@lanam6479]

4:11 Elon is also also minimalist when it comes to safety

[@thegatorhator6822]

Elon is also minimalist with living in reality.

[@NickMak-m2c]

@@thegatorhator6822 That's why he's rich.

[@thegatorhator6822]

@@mikephillips2984 I'm talking about reality. Loads of his projects have been abject failures. I.E. Hyperloop was never a good idea. Tesla and SpaceX have their successes for sure but Elon just throws money at projects and then does his hypetrain act for them, he has no idea about science or engineering at all.

[@thegatorhator6822]

@mikephillips2984 so basically you're stupid? MULTIPLE LAWS OF PHYSICS SAY THIS IS A BAD IDEA BUT LETS DO IT ANYWAYZ. Probably an OceanGate worshipper with that logic. You haven't formed any kind of argument just smuggly said I UNDERSTAND WHO YOU ARE. Of course he has no idea. He's not a scientist or an engineer. He's a genius businessman and marketting expert who knows how to invest well and how to market himself. He's not your reddit science god.

[@Narutendo3]

You pretty much nailed it at the end when you mentioned merging with AI. That's the real mission of neuralink. They aren't really in it for optimally treating sick or disabled people. This other dude who left and founded precision seems to be more focused on that though.

[@Samb467]

I didn't finish the video yet but that is a good thing in my opinion to merge with AI I believe to advance as a society that is a massive step in humanity cybernetics people are unfortunately going to have to compete with AI at some point if not already In our lifetime we are quickly not becoming the smartest species on the planet and then when people die all that knowledge is gone only records of it on the internet so if we had a chip that was connected to the internet like the Ai with continuous new information from generations of people that have once lived you think of a problem you need an answer and the chip is able to almost simultaneously give you an answer for you to repeat basically equipping you with the knowledge Ai would still have the edge I imagined but you can compete with them at least

[@Samb467]

And then we need to compete with aliens too I don't have information on if they're among us yet our species has to compete with them too like we can't be so far behind In intelligence that they look down upon us we don't know how they would react forgive the comparison but someone with a mental disability that can barely talk would you have a serious conversation with them probably not but you would probably feel a level of sympathy being the same species I doubt aliens would care tho we already have plenty forms of body modifications already like certain medicines injecting stuff so on obviously there's going to be so many pros and cons an issues with the cybernetics and people will abuse the hell out of it in ways we don't even know yet but I feel like it will get so good it's a must and you will be treated like a disability without it one day an aliens are definitely out there somewhere I used to like thinking that until I realize how terrifying they can actually be a lot of sci-fi stuff is actually real out there for real

[@EmeraldView]

Musk is using people in desperate situations for his experimentation toward a completely different goal.

[@robkeshav800]

Interesting. Can you please give examples of real patients that it has helped?

[@shayaan7462]

Noland Arbaugh is the first patient to get the surgery and it has helped him tremendously.

[@Samera-uf8fg]

​@@shayaan7462👍

[@xsir_hcx3897]

@@shayaan7462except the device was rejected and therefore stopped working dude did u even watch the video. It didn’t work out in reality

[@ixenn]

And you can watch him say exactly that on his channel

[@unitynofear7758]

What neuralink isn't telling you: If you use a device to give information, your senses decline. If you use it to process information, your brain's ability to store information declines. To remembrr, your memory declines. To make decisions, to motivate you, these abilities decline. Instagram brain rot is a gnat compared to this. And I'm a full on transhumanist. I just happen to know how the brain tissue basically works. Use it or lose it. You become dependent on your tool. In the worst case, a human could turn into a body incapable of doing anything without the chip.

[@PaukKsta]

I think that is the point of this technology

[@RRanun]

all of human writing is already an external organ for information storage. IDK if you know the feeling: if you remember something but not precisely, so you check your phone, or a sticky note, and its all panic if you can't find whatever note you made.

[@MartinA.I.MannO.]

@@RRanun Exactly!! Before the massification of writting (not invention of but using it for things other than just keeping track of goods, crops, and other miscelaneus aspects of runing a kingdom/empire into actually being used for prose and poetry) storytelleres would remember by ritthmical repetition the whole of Homer's Illiad and other classic works...remember the pentatonic scale? that poetic constraint on writing prose was used to help memorize the whole of it more eficiently... then came the massification of writting much latter changing the whole spectrum... then came the printing press much later making literature accesible to not just scribes, royalty, nobles, top monks and the lucky few... of course its not black and white but instead any new technology which becomes intrinsically intertwined/enmeshed with our lives has multifaceted impacts in so far as perceived risks and benefits to our human development/evolution/devolution...

[@BitTheByte]

Strange. One of the best study methods is the write a notecard and never use it. The act of writing that notecard, going over all the information, and collecting only the useless bits unintentionally makes the information take hold. I’m skeptical of your theory.

[@baddabing28]

Why would you proudly be a transhumanist?

[@StoepZulu]

Neuralink wants brain interface not just information, by not inserting threads you don't get the interface part just the information. However more competition in the space is amazing, cause it forces inovation.

[@lanceknightmare]

A direct wired connection compared to over the air connection comes to mind. Direct connection is sold as the superior solution. Though, it is only superior in specific cases. Over the air connection has evolved beyond wired connection for the internet in my area. It is just cheaper and has better internet.

[@Pepo..]

indeed!, now imagine if a war was to come out and this technology was deemed worthy of use on it, just like the internet, we could have an insane product! (not like we would be alive to try it if it goes nuclear tho)

[@SharkyShocker]

There's plenty to be scared of, though for me What scares me about any sort of permanent device on the surface of the brain is what happens during concussions. Indentation of the brain? Potential cutting of the brain tissue? Random electrical pulses? Etc.

[@ashleyobrien4937]

5:39 Whoa , wait a minute, so these geniuses thought that super thin electrodes are going to prevent the body from reacting to them if they were even the same diameter as some much bigger like a cat's whisker ? That is utterly MORONIC ! the size is completely irrelevant, it's the biochemistry that's the factor here ! By FAR the best method to connect any type of man made electrode to the CNS and it's myelinated neurons would be some type of organic polymer with surface specific proteins that form covalent and ionic bonds with specific protein structures in the cell membranes, in a manner analogous to how an opioid binds to a receptor to produce a physiological response. Using ELISA, PCR, CRISPR the polymers can be tailored to find their targets automatically requiring no "brute force" wrecking of cellular structure at any level to make a connection. The proteins can be written to control all aspects of their function, eg; permanent bonds or programmable bonds that can be disconnected via enzyme release, connectivity modes all sorts of things. At present, even with the metal electrodes they are using, it is still like using a 2x4 post to locate an ant colony.

[@NathanSpotts]

This guy sci-fis

[@CD-vb9fi]

I am more interested in what will happen to the human mind after extended use of these. Will it atrophy? The human body thrives in adversity and wastes in opulence!

[@dawood1547]

​@CD-vb9fi it is most likely a balancing act of some kind, look how long it took us to make good prosthetics and even then there are issues that are unavoidable like phantom pains. By the way I really like that adversity/opulence line, well said.

[@Zackthomass]

This comment is when a person has too much surface level understanding of complex systems. The fact that you're talking about receptors in the brain being a viable way to attach an interfacing device shows me that you have absolutely zero understanding of what you're talking about. Please stop discussing things that you have no business speaking on.

[@MineMech23]

​@Zackthomass I think people should actually comment more like this. You, on the other-hand, have provided no evidence as to why they don't know what they're talking about. How are the ignorant supposed to become wise if they cannot speak and display their ignorance? If their ignorance goes unnoticed, they cannot experience error correction from their peers. If they don't have an opportunity to experiment, then they will not know that their ideas were wrong through inevitable failure. We need everyone to feel free to openly discuss ideas so we can learn from each other.

[@doug2424]

Back when i was a kid i used to sit and think how bright the future's going to be. So i wanted to know all about the world, but the more i learned the closer i got to the conclusion that we are on a path to ruin.

[@tomhv9]

Has precision shown their implant being used by a human to control something via bluetooth? I cant find anything on their website

[@mariodimitriadis]

Its used during surgeries and then being removed at this point. From what i understand their goal for now is to collect as much data as possible without permanance to the patients.

[@myxalplyx]

@@tomhv9 No, they have not. It's no comparison.

[@ProtoAlpha]

Ngl the thing that makes me the most uncomfortable about this device is the fact that it's wirelesss. Cyber security is not on a level yet that would should be doing this!

[@thepicklemanofficial9907]

I like how theres all these videos on the internet telling people not to trust corporations or politicians and they try to act all surprised like that isnt just common sense

[@Akio33342]

Common sense isn’t so common

[@fauj7860]

Listen up my brother, you'll be surprised when you familiarize yourself with the actual reality of the world we live in...sad, but true

[@johnambers]

Great episode but I don't think your conclusions are yet proven. Insertions might get even thinner less invasive and show a much deeper understanding of how the brain works. It might also allow for far more ability to control certain areas of the brain, allowing a better life for the patient. But holy shit, that doctor's resume is insane. I would not bet against him.

[@AndreyPavlovUS]

In theory, neuralink can treat brain disorders like epilepsy. That tiny thing is only good for reading thoughts and not all signals will be interpreted correctly. So you can think of calling mom but you will call nun LOL Type Hello, types fellow. And so on.

[@PeterTerren]

But like a real brain it has plasticity and if you ring your mum 1000 times because it is correct then new synapses form to reinforce the connection@@AndreyPavlovUS

[@kenjudithglover]

On the other hand, I personally would not bet against Elon Musk.

[@williamyoung9401]

I trust nothing the owner of a slave emerald mine system in Africa produces...

[@higurashikai09]

​@@kenjudithglover Mr Cybertruck? No, yeah, I would absolutely bet against him

[@jamessimmer725]

Do you think a quadriplegic is worried about the details of how the treatment might fail? What are the other choices? Noland Arbaugh is the first Neuralink trial and I have never seen a more appreciative patient. He views it as nothing short of a miracle--which it is! Neuralink is learning the pros and cons of their implant design. They have limited themselves to a single patient to minimize the affects of unforeseen consequences. The comment about failure to inform the patient about the potential for thread retraction specifically is cheap shot. Certainly the consent form warned of the potential for brain damage/scarring as well as failure to function without going into all the ways those negative consequences could possibly happen. It is dishonest to equate the retraction of threads with a failure in safety. Neuralink is learning how to improve the implant before going on to a second patient. In contrast, Benjamin Rapoport has already performed his procedure on 14 patients!

[@kurtthealien585]

Am besten wir lassen jeglich Forschung in allen Bereichen lieber sein es könnten ja unvorhersehbare Probleme entstehen 🤦‍♂️😂 This Video is so dumb

[@reginalewilliams4472]

Forehead anybody?

[@jacobp.2024]

People are hungry to hear about Neuralink failures. There's a fear of new technology like this that I do not share, which is annoying to see everywhere. When there's a sincere success, it's not celebrated like it should be. This'll be revolutionary for paralyzed patients regardless of what happens next.

[@SolTheIdiot]

​@@jacobp.2024 while i do agree that the use of brain implants will help those who have paralysis or problems with their body, i think with it, you would only need to read data off your brain rather than having to send data, meaning that what precision has should be enough, though it is meant for a lab environment where the brain won't be moving, it's still much better than damaging brain tissue if you can atleast understand things, though i do agree that they will need to create a solution that reads from the same neurons consistently no matter if the brain has moved or not, the point which they've gotten to is already great. To contrast, neuralink has problems with retraction of the threads, which already have to be forced into the brain causing damage, it already shows that it gets damaged when you have your brain moving.

[@federicocaputo9966]

​@@SolTheIdiotonly read means you cant restore sensation. Best case scenario, the user develops the equivalent of CIPA, and their prothesis arent 100% effective. Also, you couldnt restore eyesight for instance. With musk method you could be able to restore sensations, which I think not many people understand how important they are

[@QUESTC-ho5ni]

It won’t be able to display the interface to your eyes, and you won’t be able to talk on the phone, Spotify in your head won’t work, but controlling electronics with the power of thought is quite possible

[@joshlewis575]

1st of who tf wants them to be able to broadcast who knows what to your eyes. 2nd who wants them to be able to blast whatever music/content playing in your head. Both those things sound absolutely terrible and absolutely frightening.

[@Mayhzon]

Also you might die. Silly goose.

[@Pepo..]

- those dumb google glasses might do fine -literally use a microphone and a speaker - spotify could literally work, think of input, your output is just a speaker bruh

[@robgannon5008]

How does Precision solve the problem of the brain moving inside the skull? Wouldn't it lose its functions when the brain moves?

[@bryede]

That's what I thought. Don't you want to keep reading the same area even if someone moves around?

[@dotand0]

seems to only be used for collecting data not for interfacing like neurolink since their test are on stationary people

[@KevinT]

I think that, beyond simply monitoring neural activity, Neuralink wants to also give input and “participate in the conversation” (in reference to the metaphor). I don’t think that the Precision device is able to do that with the described design.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Also I wonder how effective it is being untethered. Neuralink may have retraction issues, but the electrodes that remain are in place and stable. If the precision device rests on top unattached it may shift position, maybe by small amounts, relative to the brain. I imagine that would be very difficult to get consistent results over time and patients would likely have difficulty learning to control anything through it.

[@KevinT]

@@Me__Myself__and__I Yes I can see that. Someone might have trained an ML model to be really good at deciphering the signal in one spot, and then the device might slip and go somewhere else. But it was interesting that the Precision device folds to the dura's crumpled texture. This might let it stay in place well.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@KevinT Maybe. But probably not enough. Training your mind to control something would require training specific neurons. Neurons are tiny, so even if it moves a small fraction of an inch that could drastically alter the results. No one has "solved" this yet. So we don't yet know what the best solution will be. Actually, maybe the best solution would end up being a combination. Imagine much larger sensor sheets that covered much more of the brain exterior combined with a small number of more intrusive Neuralink type implants to allow for better two-way data transfer. Who knows, time will tell.

[@Dianaranda123]

@@Me__Myself__and__I I would indeed also suggest something like that, maybe with some nanotechnology, you could bassically insert this same short of small sheet, but the nano bots increase the size of the sheet, aswell as install those same threads way deeper without causing much damage. Heck in this method, you could probably cover far larger areas then is currently possible.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@Dianaranda123 True, but I don't think we're going to have the luxury of nanotech. That is still a long way off and we need better solutions for this much sooner. There should be ways to create much larger sheets that wrap a large portion of the brain. And NeuroLink is already having better results with their 2nd patient and talking about doing dual i plants in future patients.

[@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness]

True, the Precision probes are much less invasive and likely the better way to map brain function. At the same time, it doesn’t tell you which specific brain tissue you can stimulate to get the response desired. Both have their separate advantages and disadvantages. Precision will likely overtake Neuralink in making prosthetic robotic hardware work to brain signal. The challenge is making something that the body and brain doesn’t reject. Even Precision’s probe will cause rejection and scarring, and likely can’t stay functional long term. The key challenge is to somehow create artificial neurons instead of threads so that they will form more permanent connections to those neural centers without the body’s rejection.

[@maxidaho]

I'd like to see some comparative fidelity and latency data before coming to any conclusions. Wouldn't you?

[@khanch.6807]

Elon ain't playing safe in any of his ventures. From self driving to rocket launch. He's an insane risk taker. So glad others are bringing safer methods.

[@casuals.3.19]

High risk high reward I guess? Idk but with this brain stuff they’ve probably have to give up some sort of human morality in order to progress. Human experiments are scary but they bring progress

[@MeatFingerSteam]

This is a great deep dive in a company I'd never heard of before. I also like the fact that unlike other Tesla video's, there's some skepticism about Neuralink's approach here. Great job! I'd love to see these two methods compete in the future for paralyzed/blind patients.

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed🎉

[@GiulioVonKerman]

Well this is not a Tesla video though...

[@thorddespace2773]

There will always be skepticism and or criticism of new things. It has always been so, most often wrongly from the foremost experts.

[@sethcapello6745]

I’m a bit disappointed at this episode. I watch all of your stuff and normally you guys present good points on both sides of a topic. This was heavily slanted to this precision outfit. Almost a sales pitch, if I didn’t know any better. Not a single mention of what sort of data or outcomes gained from the precision folks. I saw Noland playing his favorite PC game, so…… Perhaps precision is less invasive but who cares if it can’t do anything? Go back to listening from outside the room. This one was a heavy miss for you guys.

[@SD-vp5vo]

you disappointed elon fan boy?

[@sethcapello6745]

@@SD-vp5vo just interested in truth. How about you? Never mind, I already know.

[@viniciussousadiniz4623]

Which arguments are there for neuralinks side? Should we prioritize safety or efficiency?

[@truliny-xyz]

@SD-5vpo

[@tommapar]

@@viniciussousadiniz4623 I think there's more than one approach, and that sometimes a little bit of courage and boldness can get you learning a heck of a lot more than playing it safe. Although I also understand the need to play it safe. To me, as long as everyone is TRANSPARENT so as to be aware of the risks involved, and as long as everyone CONSENTS, ON PAPER to it, then the rest doesn't matter as much.

[@libertykrueger1433]

There are lots of other approaches. One company even put a sensor array into an arterial stint which can be placed non-invasivly deep inside the circulatory system of the brain.

[@PeterTerren]

"...Elon interviewed 1000 applicants personally.... yeah right.

[@snorttroll4379]

maybe sifted through 1000 real candidates

[@philad2079]

Its possible. Talk to 5 people per day for a year. A rich workaholic with people to do supporting task, can do it.

[@williamyoung9401]

Elon doesn't do anything personally; except unilaterally shut down StarLink when Ukraine tries to liberate their territory. 🛰

[@Derploop]

@@philad2079 'workaholic'

[@NickMak-m2c]

@@philad2079 You could do this easily, it doesn't say anywhere it was a lengthy interview process. If it's just a 5-minute "meet Elon" thing (I imagine most of the preliminary stuff is taken care of by then.)

[@investormd4436]

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. One thing I would say is, the video likes to say "it's been proven" so and so "that precision method is better.". I think it's very early to see how either company will do with different approach.

[@TheTeslaSpace]

Fair point. KZbin loves bold statements to drive engagement - such as we're doing right now lol

[@chromemaskqurae1222]

' That Neuralink is going to make everyone into a hivemind of chained purpose. No free will. Just Neuralink. Control is Tesla's... And you have to pay a paywall just to have actual control over your life. Oh wait, that's thought-provoking. ' - Chrome

[@rahulbetgeri]

“Watch these 2 unskippable Ads to be able to get up and walk to toilet”

[@Brayanbless]

Not how it works

[@innovationtalk3734]

I hope 1985 isn’t recreated, or any other dystopian society where people’s brain is monitored or controlled

[@aliveandwellinisrael2507]

Well considering Blackrock was developing that Utah Array...

[@chicksandwich]

1984*

[@ms.pirate]

Maybe great in order to detect if someone is a predator who watches CP, and to make sure those devils don't harm any children in the future. But everything else, yeah I get it. Wouldn't it be scary if they jailed you for thinking about bad things about the government? The freedom of speech act is actually there for those who want to criticize the government. If china gets a hold of this, there might be less and less people

[@averageuraniumconsumer4856]

Yeah dude I never read 1984 but we live exactly like in the 1984 yeahhhh brro ofc

[@papyrus_13]

This series of "Isn't Telling Us Something" has never disappointed so far

[@Kendall-LM]

I have no words to express fully when I say .. why are we letting this happen and why do we care. I understand how people would answer this question. But deeply, like a deep answer.. why do we care about turning into a computer.

[@NickMak-m2c]

Well the answer you expect is the one I'd give, involving paraplegic people.

[@frederickmueller7916]

Sounds good but I wouldnt trust anyone who wants to put a bluetooth transmitter into your skull.

[@logvoid]

Bluetooth itself is a unsafe protocol. But just wait until north korea starts forcing brain chips on newborns. The beginning of the end has arrived. Nuclear war, brain chips and highly intelligent AI.

[@OlivierHokke]

Precision won't be able to WRITE to the brain and only READ. That's very key here Interesting video!! Never heard of Precision

[@antmass3]

I would say "message" would be a more appropriate term than "write". 'Writing' implies that information has been transmitted and encoded into a stable, persistent neuro pattern.

[@iluan_]

It is already bidireccional. It can record brain activity (what you call read) and perform neural stimulation (what you call write).

[@gargoyled_drake]

@@iluan_ People believe what they want/need to believe. Right now. Elon musk is hot withtin the trump loonie crews. So naturally you'll see those people swarm around defending him... And they are not sounding any brighter than they did 4 years ago.

[@siliconvalleymetal]

@@gargoyled_drakeMusk’s track record speaks for itself. You can hate all you want but his record stands.

[@whiteknightgfry]

person sitting in that chair for the next 16mm implant not gonna get up from the operation table

[@movingloz]

Really informative video. Thanks. 🙏.

[@uncleruckus69420]

This is the mark of the beast, another one would be the chip you can put in your wrist, to access building and pay for things because things is all that many care about now

[@Jonagold92]

Neuralink already encountered problems due to brains moving in the skull more than expected. Seems very unlikely that you could get precise data as the brains move around. You would have to keep recalibrating all the time as the brain moves around. Seems quite suboptimal situation.

[@matcharen]

this guy is deleting my comments.

[@Rainiermix]

What were you saying?

[@Endersgamejp]

It's not 'this guy' it's KZbin. Use different words.... they don't like certain ones so you need to choose wisely

[@redmadness265]

​@@EndersgamejpJust as lame

[@taragnor]

@@Endersgamejp Yup KZbin censorship is crazy nowadays.

[@White_Night_Demon]

What did you say?

[@catbert7]

1) The tech you're describing is read-only. It is not capable of transmitting targeted signals INTO the brain, like are needed for restoring sensory/motor function to the disabled, or to develop new senses and abilities, so these are not comparable. Yes, read-only could allow someone to control a limb, for example, but not transmit feeling back. Precision's approach could certainly have a place but Neauralink's mission is far more ambitious. 2) There's a BIG difference between gathering some readings from a momentary implant and installing a device for months and making practical use of it. Precision has a long way to go before I would take them as seriously as Neuralink.

[@IndigenousEarthling101]

It is good to have critical discussions and market competition regarding such a potentially important nascent technology.

[@Olis4897]

I hesitate to say which is better at this phase. Neuralink has stated that they have several objectives and motor function restoration and assistance is just one. The next objective for them is their blingsight product with which they aim to assist visually impaired patients. Plus, while this is a phenomenal achievement, Precision still has a lot of demonstration to do before one can say it is superior. I'd love to see patients using their product to operate technology. We also need to see how patients do with these implants over time.

[@carlensoreo4886]

Cyber psychosis doesn’t seem fun I’ll pass

[@Anon-i2z]

Always has been

[@EriknocTDW]

Would going in through the eye sockets be better than piercing or cutting holes through peoples skulls? Of course you would likely have to carefully pull out the eyeballs out and put them back in when you're done. If it's still too small a space, maybe send nano tech through an eye socket to position themselves and construct the sensors from within the skull. I'm not in favor of cutting or piercing through the skull. And of course, there are nerves that connect throughout the body to the brain. Could we tap into the nerves and listen in on the brain that way, like phoning in and someone on the inside picks up the line? The only other natural entries I could find into the skull was through the spine (which I understand is very delicate and can easily be severely messed up) and through connecting part of the back of the jawbone (which I think is likely blocked by cartilage).

[@Bluesrains]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS BLUETOOTH FOR THE BRAIN IMPLANTS.

[@jtjames79]

Oh no, that's bad. So many reasons, security, bandwidth, processing overhead, so many problems. Going to want some sort of cut down wireless ethernet, going to a Linux server, then going out to user space like Bluetooth.

[@Pepo..]

@@jtjames79 at this point is your only option, unless u reverse engineer neurolink, could probably go along with lan on your home proxy, p2p with neurolink gotta be crazy tho imagine u receiving data from 10 peers lol

[@gargoyled_drake]

Devices available: . Mums phone . Round Speakers . Headphones .TV *.Brians Brain* .Speaker/kitchen .User349hsjdkueh .

[@themaninabucket8365]

This is an overwhelmingly bad idea.

[@bujin5455]

7:36. I doubt very seriously the risk is on a linear scale like that. I bet doubling the depth 10x the complication risks, or something on that order.

[@appl314]

Reuters reputation for accurate information has been questionable lately

[@GntlTch]

Not just lately!

[@appl314]

@GntlTch I guess we can now add time magazine to this. A youtubers is on the ai influencer list, but Elon, who funded open ai, is not... you have to ask, .who made money as a result of this really bad reporting

[@jimstark1810]

Felon Musk didn't choose those people to "join him" He chose those people to USE them. That is what he is an expert at.

[@VsTvSquad]

Comments are literally filled with a bunch of Gen Alpha or Gen Z influenced by Gen Alpha, like in what world does AI mixed with Human brains sound good? If it can extract from you then it can surley input in u.

[@juancordobes9499]

I agree, I could only understand it for cuadraplegic people, but I'm never getting a chip in my brain, and if society excludes me for that, I guess I will finally have lo move to the woods or die, anyways a world where companies control your brain directly or reproduce ads inside your head is not one I want to live in

[@palerider2143]

im sorry but can you show me a comment that is agreeing with this

[@NeveCro]

Wait till they find out what really being a slave means... These people in the comments vouching for this to happen are completely insane

[@AndrewDInSydney]

One question I have with this is how can you change the depth of your sensors and still be communicating with the neurons that your system has been designed for? I know the brain is meant to have plasticity but I’m surprised they can still chase the same goal after what seems to me like a large move(?)

[@GntlTch]

Software.

[@lasharael]

They're telling us they're going to put wires in our brains, so that's already not a good start. It's like the opposite of "you had me at hello."

[@AlkaRez]

It wont be mind control in the science fiction sense we think of. It would manipulate "feel good chemicals" to push/influence you towards certains topics, decisions, opinions or brands. It wont need ads. It will be all your "choice".

[@GlobalScienceNetwork]

ECoG electrode arrays have been placed in patients for many many years. The question would be are the ones made by Precision different? Precision’s implant, the Layer 7 Cortical Interface, is a thin-film microelectrode array containing 1,024 miniature electrodes, packed into a space of approximately 1.6 square cm. That really does not say much. If these are not recording single spikes but just LFP signals it is nothing new. Sure this information can be somewhat useful depending on the frequency but it is not the same as single spikes. I am not sure having 4,096 electrodes gives you that much more information you can extract than if you had an ECoG grid with 100 electrodes over the same area. This is probably why it is not that big of news if people were wondering. If they can utilize these electrodes to do something no one else has done Precision will likely get more attention. BCI potential is very limited in reality even though it gets lots of hype, the future of technology is in hardware-based AI, IMO.

[@doubleooh7337]

Sounds more like looking in through the window than listening through the wall

[@TheTeslaSpace]

Metaphors are hard

[@crimsonghoul8983]

@@TheTeslaSpace Let's put it this way. Elon musk drilled a hole without completely breaking open the wall and tried to eavesdrop on what's happening in the neighbor's room. Benjamin Rapport, on the other hand, carved out multiple holes and places hearing devices to get the most output. One risks the structural integrity of the wall while the other can end up being effective in only combining the output from these multiple holes and coming up with a result the same as the former. Honestly, Precision would end up putting a lot of work in just filtering the data because this would involve encountering too much noise. Which, while it might be safer than Neuralink, it isn't an effective BCI.

[@nikhiljoshi2961]

Who the actual fuck cares?

[@crimsonghoul8983]

@@nikhiljoshi2961 Well, you don't want to give someone who is listening to the video the wrong impression. The proper metaphor can color a better picture in someone's mind. So yes, some people do care.

[@doubleooh7337]

@@nikhiljoshi2961 obviously nobody with a pea brain such as yourself!

[@Ezio-Auditore94]

A business man telling a multi-PhD scientist what's better than his proposal must be the funniest joke of the human race

[@princeofexcess]

Sure but NL still holds the record for fastest most precise mouse movements. NL claims threads fell out because human brain vibrates more then primate brain. They probably didnt expect it to happen.

[@PeterTerren]

3mm vs expected 1mm

[@ImmortalismReligionForAI]

From what I understand the problem with Precision is that it does not nearly get the same degree of quality information. But, it is so much safer and works so much better in other ways, the real question will become if it is good enough information gathered to achieve the desired goal. Neuralink, on the other hand, does not appear to be safe enough yet, in my opinion. Much better info collected, but the life time of the probes, the rejecting of probes, and such is a big problem. Now, there is another one, from Synchron, which uses stents as probes, placing them inside veins or arteries inside the brain. This seems to be between Precision and Neuralink, but like Precision, Synchron is safe enough to really be made available to the public.

[@Timertraveler4824]

I think Ben has a genuine idea on his hands and is using his medical background to Implement the safety side of it too. Seems like Elon isn't the best at everything like he wants us to believe

[@ahmetmutlu348]

They have to find a way for contactless implants.. ie a needle like io module without physical connection to main unit.. that way movements wont damage implants.. and they have to fibd a way to power modules/implants locally.. otherwise itll continue causing problems as outer connections will cause minimal infections which will en up rejection/drop of connection

[@ScaleableInvestments]

lmaooo their solution ''Lets make it deeper'' Proceeds to give him the full 8

[@OpalDruscilla]

Elon thinks like a dick

[@DrexisEbon]

The device can "listen" but can't "talk" and that's a problem for longer term applications like interacting with data in an integrated way. You couldn't expand human ability to access and process information which is a part of the goals of the project I imagine.

[@uchefestus6580]

Isn't the purpose of neurolink to help ppl with disabilities, so how is them not testing on able-bodied ppl a problem?? Wouldn't that defeat the whole point.

[@Consolekillscreens]

Becuase real movement is fundementally different from imagined movement. It also gives a good baseline

[@armadilloalien854]

I think a good question is, when this comes to be, will this be consensual at all. I highly doubt they wouldn't force this on people, and I have a problem with that. Especially forcing this on people with disabilities where they can't speak or clearly communicate their needs and wants.

[@NickMak-m2c]

@@armadilloalien854 That'd require quite a bit else to happen first; robot armies and such.

[@Lemuria1993]

Also, what is the data about the CNS infection rates? How often the components must be changed (because, as for any artificial prosthetic, they can't repair themselves so you have to undergo major surgery every 10 or so years to change the prosthetic)?

[@greg7743]

At 7 minutes, there is an image of a small section of a brain that illustrates the supposed depth of penetratration of neuralink. The 5 mm electrode at the very top of the head is approximately 15 mm from the right of the brain. This implies mathematically (using the intersecting chord formula) that the diameter of the depicted brain is 50 mm. That is likely the brain size of someone who believes that all youtube illustrations are 100% accurate. This raises questions about whether the curvature of the brain was accurately depicted (or exaggerated).

[@ZaydeStorm]

it's not meant to be 100% accurate, chill. It gets the point across.

[@darealmrog]

Thank you Greg!

[@TheBHAitken]

The limitation of the later method is that it is a one way interface. The scanning pad would detect neural activity for action and the prosthetic would carry out the instructions. What Elon is looking for is much scarier and that would be a two-way interface. One one side you could experience augmented reality inside your own body, but on the other you would never get rid of the voice in your head. As of the election the possibility of Neuro-link's continued research under relaxed regulations is very much a certainty.

[@myxalplyx]

Informative but a very negative video towards the Neuralink approach. This video talks about how listening to the neurons from the surface of the brain is inferior yet talks about how Precision's device is superior. I have not seen any test results of the Precision interface, despite the amount of people who have tried it. The Neuralink patient is completely happy and is willing to be part of future tests. Also, the Neuralink patient has gotten back his control with the remaining threads by tweaks done by the programmers of Neuralink. No info about his brain tissue being damaged either. Very biased video!

[@sp00l]

The great thing is that even if Nuralink fails, it doesn't matter. It's not like we're investing in this company. It is not a wing of Tesla or anything. It is okay if it fails but its great if it succeeds. We don't need to be emotionally invested in this company. It's just enjoyable to see progress in this space.

[@rl9702]

The amount of bad takes in this video is absolutely baffling. Just like how no other country or company can catch up to SpaceX, the reason for Neuralink's different methods is due to their greater end goal. Neuralink's end goal is interfacing humans with AI, not merely helping disabled individuals, that's why their system needs to be more invasive. They need to be able to not just record brain signals but to send them eventually as well. Their next milestone project would be to be able to partially restore sight with an implant. I don't think the Precision implant would be able to do this ever, being on the surface of the brain. And why all the FUD about brain damage? Neuralink's first patient, Noland Arbaugh, is still very happy and grateful for being able to test out the implant. He neither looks nor reports of any brain damage. If you cared that much about brain damage how about making a video trying to ban contact sports like football or binge drinking? SMH

[@oldmanstumpie1061]

I agree. He's already giving up on it due to brain damage. Is there any proof of that? Another few mm of insertion might stop the threads working loose from brain movement.

[@sebastiantaylor6236]

​@@oldmanstumpie1061are you a bot

[@kurtthealien585]

The Brain can handel some damage.. fact is there are people outside they got shot in the head or they hade an accident where they lose the half side of her head/brain and they dont die from these injures

[@JamesAlexander14]

If you had ever had brain damage, you wouldn’t be asking such a damned fool question! And yes, I have had brain damage.

[@peppermintgal4302]

​@@kurtthealien585 They don't die, but they are often irreparably neurologically injured. Don't get me wrong, the brain can heal in some incredible ways, but it doesn't mean that it flawlessly recovers it's abilities.

[@wattsonthetube]

Is it possible that the reason Elon Musk wanted to go deeper into the brain and connect the neurons directly, was because he not only wanted to "read" the brain data but also have the potential for "writing" or modifying it as well? I can understand how the technology that Precision has created might be superior at reading the data and minimalist in it's design, however would it be able to stimulate neurons without being directly connected to them?

[@bismarck9938]

Good research man

[@michaelforseth8609]

Imagine someone able to take a high power magnet near you, and you just become unalived.

[@HourRomanticist]

Obviously we do not know, but part of the threads backing out may be do to the brain moving more than they thought, effective short roping and pulling out the threads. If say, they have more slack in the threads, maybe it's not any longer an issue.

[@PeterTerren]

Correct. Actual brain movement was 3mm rather than expected 1mm

[@ljprep6250]

I can't wait to see how well the Rapoport device works in actuality. Question: Don't all these long wires into/onto the brain pose a risk in case of EM surge near the head?

[@ReverendGreg]

One of your best videos. Well done sir.

[@Anoneom]

Double depth does not necessarily mean double damage. I don't know the specifics of brain implants, but I am pretty sure that was a false equivalence. If the problem is that the threads pull out because of movement, and most neuron activity happens at the outer layers of the brain, having some extra thread length could mean that they don't get pulled on the same way when the brain moves around in the scull, possibly even reducing damage to the tissue. I obviously don't know the details of the new neuralink implant, but I'd be surprised if they didn't consider having some slack when they have a team of some of the worlds best people working on the problem.

[@ryanreeves8931]

Neurosurgeons get super paranoid about losing their skill sets if they aren't using them. If Rappaport wasn't doing aneurysm clips, tumor resections and avascular malformation repairs, it's a solid reason to leave. At this time, there has been no lead migration/thread retraction in the second patient based upon reports to the FDA. Lead migration is the most common complication of any lead implantable device (defibrillator, spinal cord stimulator, Deep brain stimulator etc). This is very early gen technology. There are going to be complications and product advancements.

[@codycast]

8:00 it may not work. But it may. This is how new technology is made.

[@billweberx]

If Precision is working then why don't we have any videos of patients playing video games or doing anything else with their minds, like at Neuralink? Seems like you over hyped Precision, which may not work at all.

[@TheTeslaSpace]

Are videos like that actually anything other than marketing/PR though? Playing Pong and typing with BCI was done 20 years ago, that's already solved. Creating an interface that is safe and sustainable over the long term is the problem of the current day.

[@billweberx]

@@TheTeslaSpace The guy was not playing pong. He was playing complex multi user computer games and was so excited about it that he played them all night long. He is Neuralink's biggest fan, which says a lot about the success of the product. You guys seem utterly uninformed about Neuralink and you're hyping a company that hasn't shown anything useful, just theories.

[@David-fv5cn]

@theteslaspace comparing what Noland is doing with his (poorly performing) implant to pong is like saying there’s no use for cars because horses already solved traveling.

[@billweberx]

@@David-fv5cn Actually, the implant is not poorly performing. He lost 85% of the wires, but through software improvements, he got back 100% of the capability that he had with all the wires functioning.

[@David-fv5cn]

@@billweberx at a maximum, the implant is functioning at 15% of its full capability. I consider this poor.

[@roberthuszar8134]

to scar tissue aint form , the sollution would be to implant before the brain develops . Bcs then the neurosystem develops as the implant was placed , therefore wouldnt ,,fall off" as its basicaly the part of the brain

[@Mr_Hatmushroom]

I dont want a brain chip in my mind😅

[@joejones9520]

they know that.....

[@paulb1951]

No one is going to force one on you. As it develops, those who get left behind are not going to get 1 and accept being dumber than everyone else as a life choice.

[@PaukKsta]

No one is going to ask a permission

[@tomizatko3138]

⁠@@paulb1951And then one virus later and you are all fucked except the "dumb" people who saw it as a risk.

[@themaninabucket8365]

@@paulb1951Id rather be marginally dumber than have fuckin ChatGPT in my head.

[@kovanova9409]

I don't see a problem with a competitor in any sense. Open market and competition means good enough is not a thing. Boundaries become goals and goals become stepping stones.

[@error-un3fo]

Why would the skull be like Swiss cheese when neither devices sit beneath the skull? They sit on top do they not? Also you ignore both these devices are trails and experiments. Just one is trying to achieve a consistent signal with more invasive procedures while the other is trying to achieve less invasiveness but at the cost of having a much larger coverage of the brain to compensate for lack off persition. Both experiments have pros and cons and they both know this, it's the reason it's in trail. These companies know exactly what they are doing and you can't compare them to one another for the simple fact neither hasn't achieved thier final goal.

[@clanof1144]

competition breeds innovation.

[@crimson3274]

One thing. "Merging with ai" is impossible with musks tech. If you want to send and recieve signals there are many non invasive ways. Only issue is hard drive space for the ai to fit and communicate. And trust me when i say i doubt people wont be scared of a voice in their head. This technology is what could help people with paralysis because you could recover functions by having a connection between severed places. Communication can be done just like most things are done novadays. Signal transmission. We just need a safe way of doing it.

[@thesybarite1]

Precision neural implants only collect data. The end goal is to have full communication. Not jus receive. Neuralink is working on being able to send communications which can restore movement, reduce pain, and transfer data back and forth between man and machine. Both companies are doing amazing work. I am looking forward to any advancements they make in this field.

[@msavic88]

When you trip on an uneven sidewalk and that thing starts fizzing and smoking inside your skull.. 😂😂 yaaay! 🎉

[@gamealholik]

To be clear going to an ivy league school dosnt mean what it used to mean. Pretty sure anyone who been to harvard has spent more money on their education than ive had in my entire life. Hence it is correctly associated with elitism not being elite

[@SusanPowers-wj2ow]

To be clear, Elon didn’t invent any of this tech and has much less knowledge than the possibly nepo baby who went to an ivy league. Elon is also a nepo baby, his daddy owned an emerald mine in a South African apartheid. He is the definition of privileged. His family is so rich that his dad married his step sister, I can’t make this shit up.

[@WynterLegend]

I DO NOT LIKE THAT LAST BIT! "Communicates via wireless and bluetooth" Yeah, that's not asking for people to fuck with it, not at all. JFC, you'd have to wear a faraday hat to prevent people from tampering with it wirelessly

[@SpaceVault81]

What if the power grids or satellite go out? Would that affect it

[@garypack1245]

Why do they not use barbs with the insertions? To prevent retractions?