Classic vs Modern Overdrive Shootout

[@the_anderman]

This channel costs me so much money, and I'm loving every second of it.

[@diabeticmonkey]

Can we all talk about how ridiculously good that riff is?

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Ah thanks, man

[@aaaargl]

i think the biggest difference between old and new is that the new ones are more versatile, have more level boost on tap and are a bit more aggressive. with the old bois you are set to pretty much one sound, but if this fits your amp well you're good.

[@anthonystark5412]

Good premise for a comparison, and well executed.

[@iLLuzion1st]

Man your videos are always so good! thank you for em

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

A very timely video mate; this topic isn't really talked about alot on KZbin, why we use these newer variants. I have the sd-1, ts808 and recently got the plumes. Have to say that although I love the classics, the plumes is just more versatile and sounds far cleaner; a perfect boost imo.

[@volkerlinzer844]

Not only has the SD-1 it’s own thing going on (patented asymmetrical clipping) and is the most aggressive of the bunch but it also cuts through the mix the best. If it just had more volume and maybe more tone options (separate bass treble). The Direwolf came a bit closer than the others but not there yet. What makes it a bit frustrating is, the asymmetrical clipping can‘t be dialed in later.

[@concertswithchris]

I wonder how the KHDK Ghoul screamer would sound along with these.

[@mastersteve78]

I liked the SD-1 and the Plumes, to my ears there wasn't a huge difference in the mix, they all sounded great!

[@danamcwhite]

You can’t hear the difference.

[@paulhanlon6405]

Great comparison as always. Totally sold on the Airis just got that bite. In fact I've just dropped on the V5 after watching your review of that as well

[@charlesb7831]

Cool comparison! I run a bit of a different set up because I run 3 amps simultaneously, Carvin X50b with 4x12 cab, Marshall jcm800 4010 combo, and a Peavey stereo chorus 212 . Vastly different amps, so on the pedal board I don't run a lot of effects, I do have however 4 drive pedals in a particular order. An original black Label Boss HM2, Ibanez Nu-tube screamer, MXR Zakk Wylde overdrive (cream color one), and a Boss 40th Anniversary SD1. The SD1 and MXR overdrive are very close, a little different. The Ibanez Nu-tube screamer is an interesting beast, not sure why I don't see it around more? It definitely has a great sound, it's not just a rebranded tube screamer, it has its own sound, very High Definition to me and the added "Blend" knob is awesome. Maybe that could have been a pedal to try in a video like this?

[@the_anderman]

Great comparison! I'm pretty surprised by how much I like the Apex - too bad about the price, though.

[@MetalheadOv666]

Savage Drive and then SD1 for me! Amazing demo!

[@L3gzYT]

I like how you name drop every pedal at the beginning except for the Direwolf haha, good job man I dig the video!

[@IndependenceGuitar]

Would love to get my hands on some other od pedals. I have a Maxon OD808 that is older than I am, like early 80’s. I love it, and it works awesome so I just haven’t tried any others. Would love to see how it compares to other ones like the fortin 33, or even just a ts9 or precision drive. It’s hard to really compare through videos because I can’t really tell for sure until i actually hear/feel the response.

[@chickenbeek]

sd1 apparently. i liked the plumes for the fatness, the savage and whatever the last one is though all three sound similar. ts and 808 pretty meh. i'd just buy the sd1 for the money, i like that it noticeably lifts the edge and presence.

[@riheg]

Plumes and Apex for my top two for some reason and through the EVH which I prefer. But I’d be happy w some of the other ones as well

[@arfslmnsyh]

To me it's the SD-1, Airis and TS9 for the winners. Great content anyway.

[@xiwiwix]

Great video! I used the SD-1 followed by an EQ for about 10 years as my main clean boost, and I've never heard a clip or seen a youtube video that's ever made me want to drop 200+ on a pedal to be used as a clean boost. I'm thankful for your video, because for me, it's reconfirmed my notion that I would be waisting money in spending that much. Although, the Dirty Tree has caught my eye, but it's only 130 bucks. Since, I've moved on to an MXR Wylde Overdrive which is quite similar to the SD-1 but with more bottom end. Not using an EQ after my MXR right now. As for what EQ I used after my SD-1, MXR 10 band, and I would boost the mids and some of the bottom a little bit. For a while I had a Mooer Radar and I would use the paraEQ feature after my MXR Wylde Overdrive, but that just became a rabbit whole of endless tweaking.

[@jaychen2000metal]

I got the super overdive and the EHX East River Drive. I prefer the East River. I think it's based off the Maxon curcuit and is like $50. Have you used the Seymour Duncan 805 pedal?

[@MetalHeadProductions]

I have, and it's a really cool and massively underrated overdrive. The tone controls make it really easy to dial in tight and cutting tones. Those are really cool.

[@jaychen2000metal]

Yeah, i do 1:00 drive, 8:00 distortion and 1:00 tone into my H&K Grandmeister 35. I prefer that amp over my 6505mh and the MT15. MT15 is way too dark imo

[@theareshun]

I went for a direwolf. First pedal I bought. How should I go about to power it? I will probably buy some fuzz pedals too. Should I go for individual stuff for each pedal or a pedal board power supply?

[@jonathanalcover1539]

I’ve been considering upgrading my SD-1 to a Savage but this video gives me second thoughts. Really eye opening. I might just stick the Boss. Thanks for the video

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Really? I'd never go sd1 over my Savage. The savage drive is the drive Ive kept on my board the longest, and for good reason.

[@jonathanalcover1539]

@@MetalHeadProductions there’s no question that Savage is better but at least through this video I don’t quite see the investment justified, and Airis pedals are pricey. At least with my wages.

[@bigquen1]

I like the SD-1 & the Airis. They sound outstanding to me.

[@afterstars]

Any recommendations for a fear factory tone using a jcm 2000 and a OD pedal?

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Speaker and cab will play a big role too. Depends on the tuning and how tight you need everything too, The savage driver v5 has the tweak ability and aggression to get you where you want to go. I believe dino did a signature boost as well which would be worth checking out.

[@SlipperyDucky]

Use to use the OD808 religously for years but with playing lower tunings and extended range guitars found that the Airis Savage Boost pedal sounds so much better for this style. 1 knob of pure evil

[@gph2193]

Slip a Special Cranker in front of the Plumes for another twist.

[@kingpriapatius5832]

I mainly use an old TS-9 (made in Japan) and it always does the job. But of course new pedals are always interesting

[@pinkyellowblue007]

In every OD pedal comparison I've watched I've liked the BOSS SD-1 the most.

[@rucardocavazos820]

Si señor

[@rk28984]

I use the SD1 and really like it, I only wish it had a little bit more low end and more output.

[@mjtan6787]

Hello. If you want more low end, buy the boss OD-3...i just got mine recently. Different circuit and has more low end compared to a tubescreamer

[@Viking_guitarist]

In my opinion butnin a live matter i dont think people would notice much at all but recodings i understand the feel can vary on attack etc but any overdrive would do the job.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Depends on what style you're playing, the tuning, the amp and cab, but I get your point. How the gear performs is definitely gonna be important to the player and impact their playing for sure.

[@Viking_guitarist]

@MetalHeadProductions gear wise it's definitely 15% amp 80% cab and 2% guitar and 3% pedals other than that the rest is eq and pedal settings.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

@@Viking_guitarist idk about that entirely. My 6505 won't cut, won't saturate where I want it to, won't tighten up if I don't hit it with a good overdrive. Another example is if I hit my amp with a hm2, that's going to absolutely dominate the sound and get that chainsaw sound.

[@Viking_guitarist]

@@MetalHeadProductions what are your setting amp and overdrive?

[@MetalHeadProductions]

@@Viking_guitarist I don't remember the settings in this video, but typically I like to set a 5150/6505 style amp with the bass around 11 o'clock, mids and treble around 2 o'clock and gain at noon, or a block letter with everything around 2 o'clock. Different amps take different boosts and drives better than others and they work with different amps or tunings. Like my Friedman sounds great with the plumes, my new dual rec slays with the dirty tree, my stealth is killer with my Fortin modded ts9, the stealth and Friedman stack super good with hm2 style pedals certain fuzz pedals great, the 6505 does not. I don't boost my ENGL at all, that amp doesn't benefit from it. Some amps absolutely need a boost, like my dual rec, or something like a jcm800, those need a boost for metal. A dual rec without a boost is very different.

[@metalfather8139]

Thanks man always like your videos.. I have a bunch of caline an joyo pedals that are clones of allot of overdrives and for 30$ you get close on some pedals others not even

[@ensabinha]

It's still the BOSS SD-1 for me.

[@metalfather8139]

Is is really worth 2/300$ for a diewolf or savage drive? For the percentage of better tone you get? Abt how much you feel u get?

[@21stcenturymetal31]

SD1 for the classic and the modern the Airis.

[@Rockerrobin]

Savage drive🤘🤘 replaced my ts9 won't ever go back.

[@mike1967sam]

Dude i'm not a metal guy although I mostly shred and have focused on shredding for over 30 years, weird isn't it but I've had a few of the more modern ODs but I keep going back to the Maxon OD808. For me it's the perfect tube screamer.

[@jonathanbrown943]

I’ve been wanting a Direwolf or Savage Drive, but man it’s hard to choose with sound clips. I like the simplicity of the Savage Drive but Direwolf definitely sounds killer and has a lot of range. Do you still prefer the Savage Drive? I have a TS808, Plumes, and Naga Viper (treble booster with three knobs instead of the usual one.) Out of those three the Naga Viper is my favorite, it’s awesome for tightening low end, adding high mids , and harmonic content. You should check one out, I’m sure you’d dig it for the Sabbath tones alone, but since it has 3 knobs it’s also great for chugs.

[@talhafatihuzun]

It's hard to tell in this video, but I've tried them all and Savage Drive is my favorite for metal. It just hits the right frequencies, it is clear, and you can sculpt your tone the way you like it.

[@ruleinblood]

Direwolf for me ! They all do the job but the Direwolf is the best out there ! One not on this list is Peppers Pedels Dirty Tree 🌲 It sounds great as a Boost 👍🔥🤘👍🇦🇺👍

[@MetalHeadProductions]

So both are great and it honestly just depends on the rig, but overall, the Savage has been on my board for 5 years straight. It's a bit drier, it can get tighter, and the bite control can get more aggressive. Doesn't have the versatility of the direwolf, but it does the thing I like really, really well.

[@WholeLottaBulldog]

Btw how shit do dual recs sound unboosted? Eek

[@lasv155]

Ordered a direwolf version 2.🙂 ETA .......Feb...😫

[@XChristianNoirX]

Me too. What color did you get? Also have the Savage and Parallel on order.. They've shipped... But stuck somewhere in the mail! Won't be here till after Christmas! 😭😭😭😭😭

[@lasv155]

All black direwolf. Too many good things I hear not to get it. I also got a peppers pledals dirty tree on the way from New Zealand. Just gotta be patient I guess lpl

[@XChristianNoirX]

@@lasv155 the pepper dirt tree is the 33/grind clone? I have a 33, Hex, and the GUP Grindr, which does the 33, Grind, and TC. The GUP almost does the 33, but it's slightly different. I think the 33 just has a crazy high input impedance, which gives it that extra high end. The Grind's input impedance is a bit lower, but still well above the 1M of most pedals (500k for Maxon), and I'm not sure what the TC Integrated Preamp's is.. Fortin likes to really raise that input impedance way up. I also have the 2020 Vfe Standout, with which I can get super close to the 33, maybe more than the GUP lol, but even turning the input impedance internal trim pot to max, I'm pretty sure it's lower than the 33. However, recorded, you can barely tell the difference. It's not easy though.. The Standout is a great pedal, but it's very touchy. Almost too many controls. The HD Precision Drive has a lot of control, but the low cut on a knob with clicks makes it easy to duplicate settings. The Standout takes a lot of fidgetry. Also have the Vfe Dragon incoming.. It's similar to the standout, but no parallel mix and also has a clipping circuit which the Standout doesn't have. The main reason o got it though is because there is an internal trim pot for compression of the drive circuit. I'm curious to try that out.

[@XChristianNoirX]

@@lasv155 I suspect all the multi/clones of the Fortin/TC stuff are based on, or actually are exactly Pedal Pcb rips. It's not too difficult I suppose to put the TC and both Fortin in a pedal, because you pit the main circuit as the TC which has EQ and then switches to switch to the Fortin's, which are basically the TC, but turn the EQ off and replaces it with fixed eq. I believe the only diffence between the for 33 and grind are actually just one or 2 parts, which just change the fixed eq setting. I know at least the Dirt Monger FX version is pedal Pcb.. But I think the rest are too, perhaps with rebranded circuit boards, but I'm not 100% sure.

[@XChristianNoirX]

@@lasv155 btw, here is a comparison of the Foritn 33 vs the VFE Standout. They can sound really close. There is some slight variation, but I did this very quickly. If I had set using studio monitors and reamping, I may have gotten closer. The recording isn't the greatest because I just quickly did it on my phone to show a friend, but you can hear that there isn't a world of difference... It's pretty much a hair different here and there. I could have maybe shaved a hair more low-end on the VFE. drive.google.com/file/d/1S9gJoJdSZGxPhDwiu-QMxhtwv8khz6xs/view?usp=drivesdk Besides the fact tat one or another drive may cut a little more or less low end or whatever, there isn't a world of difference between a lot of the modern pedals, in the sense that any given pedal of these will sound better or worse with different setups and guitars etc. But yeah.. Since neither the 33/Grind have clipping and the Standout doesn't either, one can get the standout to mimic the other two well enough.

[@XChristianNoirX]

TS9 is always the lest interesting. I have an avalanche of pedals and that's the very worst boost I have. It's just so plain.

[@DogCowFrog]

I was also surprised how good the SD-1 sounded! I feel like my favorites were the SD-1, the Maxon, and the Savage Drive. The Plumes was probably my least favorite. It was the only one that I thought still sounded flubby. I can only really hear the differences in the "out of the mix" examples, though. I can barely tell any difference with the "in the mix" examples. Same with your other videos. I guess my ears just aren't good enough for that! Great video, love your channel!

[@TheChainsofAlice]

for the price nothing will ever beat the SD-1

[@chrishall5176]

I won't lie I loathe the Boss pedal sounds. Plumes will do those in a different clipping mode

[@danamcwhite]

I don’t care what anybody says in the comments. You can Barley tell any difference at all thru KZbin compression. The difference is so small. I’m sure in person we can hear the difference

[@MetalHeadProductions]

Depends on what you're listening through. Laptop speakers, nope, some monitors, the differences are easier to pick out for sure.

[@JInfinity7]

High wind Direwolf wins

[@MrShitfire420]

If you have a 5153 you don't really need a overdrive or boost pedal. The head can do everything for you.

[@erpringle]

I don't understand why you even bother comparing these with the settings you use. With the max level and no drive they are nothing but clean boost. What a disappointment.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

This is how you use these for metal, which many of them in this demo are intended to be used as. They're clean boosts, but more importantly, they preshape the tone before hitting the amp so the mid bumps, top end, and how much low-end is cleaned up are dramatically different from each other and that's important for metal players when considering a good boost. There are plenty of blues dad channels playing these as traditional overdrives for you to go watch.

[@erpringle]

@@MetalHeadProductions what a waste of a good pedal to use it to boost inaudible b.s. The only reason you don't play blues is because you can't. I will repeat the stupidest thing I ever heard, "if it sounds good to you, it is good". Good luck with that. Oh, and by the way, not one of the pedals you have in this video was made to be a clean boost for your type of music, they were made to be overdrives for blues and rock music mr. Dumas. J.S.they do make clean boost pedals but these aren't them. They can be used for that but that is not what they are made for. Dad blues??? Gimme a break.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

@@erpringle lol, ok boomer.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

@@erpringle oh, and please, go tell airis Effects and highwind that their metal drives designed specifically to boost metal amps weren't designed to boost metal amps. I'd love to hear what they have to say, hahaha, that a joke.

[@MetalHeadProductions]

@@erpringle oh, and one other thing, metal players have been using overdrives as basically EQ'd clean boosts since the 70s. Go Google it, my guy, hahaha