Brands That We Want Back! | GMBN Tech Show 355

[@gmbntech]

What bike products and brands that have disappeared do you miss?

[@drumbrakes]

X-lite components and Pro-Flex bikes. I'd also love Pace to do a modern RC100 with externally butted square tubes.

[@mellissanash7517]

Onza still exists. My buddy just got some white Porcupine 29.5x2.6 front and 27.5x2.4 rear on his DC bike.

[@Cyclist-o6e]

Would be great to see Vitus, Nukeproof and Klein return. In addition, I wish Yeti would bring back the ARC with an alloy frame (not carbon) with updated geometry and capabilities. The ARC frames were really well made back in the day.

[@Cyclist-o6e]

Yes, Onza is still around. That’s true. I still have a couple of vintage sets of their bar ends too.

[@lukekolovelonis970]

I remember KLEIN from hanging on Jerry Seinfeld wall in his apartment on Seinfeld

[@andrew8200m]

Nukeproof should come back. The Scout was the best bang for your buck hard tail that you could ever want to buy. Absolute banger of a bike.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Theres still some good Hardcore hardtail's out there - Canyon have the Stoic, Orbea have the Laufey too - but your right the Scout was special! Cheers Owen

[@andrew8200m]

@@OwenBikeNerd The Stoic is nice and so is the Laufey but when you look at what each price band shipped with for the Scout you simply couldn't touch the value that Nukeproof offered. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why they have such a following? The entry point is really something else. The only other bike that has an entry point where you look at it and say "ok, wow" is Saracens Mantra starting at less that a grand! Its a Mullet too and I love a good Mullet! We don't see enough love for Saracen these days which is sad as they have a great history and got me in to mountain biking as a kid with the RAW.

[@TheGrvlDad]

Every time I see that Marzocchi Bomber in the background it brings back the days of Freeride MTB videos like Third Down and New World Disorder. Marzocchi was THE brand!

[@Cyclist-o6e]

Owen has done such a great job as a presenter

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Gee thank you!

[@yodapig]

Someone needs to start re-making the Mountain Cycle San Andreas frames - stretch the main spar forward a couple of inches to increase the reach, relax the head angle by a few degrees, and make sure the swing-arm can take a 27.5 rear wheel.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Ooo - thats a great shout - those bikes looked amazing! Cheers Owen

[@wolfrikvonschwarzblut3921]

For me I wish *Iron Horse* would make a comback. Their Sunday DH rig was legendary on the hands of Sam Hill. A few years ago I owned an old '04 Iron Horse Hollow Point with DW Link suspension. It was a great starter bike and it gave lots of miles of fun. Another brand I'd like to see come back is *Corsair* They had high pivots and idler pulleys before it was cool, way back in the late 2000's. I remember looking at their website while I was in junior high school and dreaming of one day owning a Maelstrom or a König. Too bad they went down.

[@mikeburgh3956]

I love my Nukeproof ☢️ So sad to see them go away 😢

[@Markozzy]

be nice if they came back in future

[@1brenmaster]

All their staff and the brains behind the designs are scattered to the wind. You'd even see one tinkering with Danny Harts bike. Even if the name came back I'm not sure it would be as good.

[@Markozzy]

@@1brenmaster that's true have to find another brand from now on nukeproof are wicked I'm looking at deviate at the moment

[@mikeburgh3956]

@@1brenmaster oh yeah the NP employees all been moved on. I still talk to Chris Ross every now again.

[@Emtbtoday]

One guy from the team is setting up on his own gonna bring new stuff and bikes he's done a good podcast with bike channel talking about what happened and how he's going to go it alone after the brand so still exciting news

[@carlbruce899]

My first mountain bike was a trek - hard frame - from Wisconsin. I'd like to see that back. The spirit of MNB.

[@ryanwolfe3947]

I have the Trust Message and Trust Shout fork. Both ride really well at making small/medium sized roots/rocks/bumps disappear. Kind of feels like riding with about 15-20 PSI in your front tire, even though its pumped up to 28. I traded out my enduro bike for a short travel trail bike, so the Shout is hanging up in my garage for future use. .

[@derek75116]

@@ryanwolfe3947 I was so mad to miss out on one of those ! My Hardtail Lynsky Ti has 90mm rockshocs. Was really looking forward to trying the Message. They got to bring these back !!!

[@gavinbrown6046]

I'm loving the level 10 nerdiness of Owen on this one. Go on my son!🤘

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Excellent to hear! more nerdiness will continue! Cheers Owen

[@NeilDethml]

I spat my coffee out when you were taking about the Cotic! It looks horrendous with the external battery. It’s certainly no Amflow.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Agreed its very different to Amflow - but I feel variety and diversity in the industry is a good thing - its a made in the UK EMTB - so its already different from the Amflow - but yep I take it that you're not rushing out to get one - also hope you got a fresh coffee! Cheers Owen

[@NeilDethml]

@@OwenBikeNerd Perhaps it was unfair of me to compare it with the latest emtb which has set a new benchmark. I guess it depends on what you are after in an emtb.

[@asifitmatters1]

@@OwenBikeNerdwho cares that it’s made in the UK. That just means it’s made by people with less experience at a much much higher cost…

[@InitialP_Photography]

8K for that Cotic is a joke right?

[@crookedcrank2566]

Never mind the price. 'That Cotic is a joke right?' would have done. I love Cotic, but really? Aesthetics perhaps shouldn't matter, but they do to most people and that looks like it's come from the ark.

[@th_js]

I'm sure the ride feel is great but considering how ugly it is, and how relatively non-special it is, the value is absolutely terrible.

[@sopadre77]

Yes! NUKEPROOF! I was lucky enough to pickup a Reactor C about 6 months before they left the States and then went bankrupt. It's a challenge to get parts now but I get a ton of second looks and compliments on it.

[@mattkneller900]

Kooka, Roox, Ac, Point one racing, Sunline, Straightline, were all cool Components brands that have disappeared.

[@SixGunTodd]

I always felt the Trust fork design was the holy grail for fat bikes....almost got one to see if it could be adapted.

[@paulsymons562]

Those are my Onza bar ends in the picture :-) That bike also had 560mm bars with a 150mm stem and was utterly utterly terrifying to ride on anything more than gravel tracks. It was also my only mountain bike from 1992 until 2018 when I bought a 130mm travel 29er hardtail and realised that off road didn't need to be so scary and actually began to enjoy it.

[@rogerweber8194]

Klein, y es love to see them comeback!

[@PNWmtnBKR]

I’m with Martyn, 🍩 and a ☕️ sounds great.

[@Lyzarr]

KLEIN - no other brand has produced so many progressive innovations and thus had a lasting impact on bike development to this day. Large tube diameters, internally routed cables, smoothly ground weld seams, industrial bearings pressed in at the factory, stem-handlebar units, elaborate fade paintwork (including suspension forks), and so on. I'd give a lot to see what Gary Klein would develop today, and I'm sure these would be the coolest bikes again!

[@OwenBikeNerd]

You've got a lot of valid points - looking back Klein really did drive things forward with Tech - the Mantra was wild too - and agreed if Gary was still in bikes now what he be helping to create? Whatever Gary would be creating - it would definitely have mind blowing paintwork - those full - frame and fork colour schemes were amazing! Cheers Owen

[@RandyVictory420]

Glad to hear you mention Kona! Used to work at a Kona shop in the Sedona area, still ridin' the first-year Process 153, and in 2024 it's STILL a beautiful ride! AND it's got GRIP SHIFT 12-speed GX (ok SRAM, but whatever).

[@Parkratmtb]

Gary Fisher!!!! Maybe it could be a name for a Trek model

[@blairrighton6270]

brand names I'd like to see return to the MTB scene with a vengeance would be... Frame builders; ritchey, klein, fat chance, bontrager, diamond back, mongoose, alpinestars, haro, kona, dean, litespeed, merlin, seven, airborne, funk, chuck, manitou, nishiki, orange, parkpre, corratec, amp research component manufacturers; precision billet, gorilla billet, syncros, tnt, ringle, onza, tioga, tnt, ac racing, campagnolo, cook bros racing, kooka, kore, machine tech, real, spinergy, action tech, white bros, dt hugi, azonic, hanebrink, box components, suntour, richard sachs... and those are the ones that I can remember! lol

[@steveduran1664]

Onza is still around, I just installed a brand new Onza tire on a Santa Cruz just 2 days ago in my shop in the Monterey bay.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Hi Steve, Thats a different Onza again from the bar-end brand and the trials bike brand - but thats true! Cheers Owen

[@stujm8376]

I wish muddy fox could be brought back. Some of my fondest memories are riding my muddy fox courier in the early 90’s. There were so many good British bikes when I was growing up… Raleigh chopper included. Loved it

[@mattohmz2499]

Oh the nostalgia. X-Lite, which are now Muc-Off. They made some great parts! Crud Catcher, everyone had one. Dave's Chain Device, had to fit soooo many of these during my days at Halfords. Astrix, I had the Havoc DH frame that went like a rocket! Club Roost, I swore by their bars 25 years ago. Spooky, remember drooling over Steve Gealls Metalhead frame at the local jumps. Pashley, when they went in hard on their trials frames.

[@shafiqjan1474]

WTB's grease guard stuff was awesome. Their headsets last forever. For shifting I prefer the twisty ones, they never fail.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Grease Guard was great - would be great to see it make a return - maybe for those more engaging headset bearings? Cheers Owen

[@petersilie2432]

Yes Owen, Trust forks are amazing, and if you've not experienced the, you've missed out big time. I'm still regularly busting PR's on mine. And I just don't get around corners as fast on telescopic forks. And don't get me started on the performance in really steep and/or chunky terrain. 😍

[@OwenBikeNerd]

So they are really that good - great to hear! Cheers Owen

[@mattfitzpatrick5146]

I’d love to see Foes come back, memories of the DHS Mono remind me why I got in to MTB. Nokian were my favourite tyre, the Gazzalodi was a king and Tomac bikes were phenomenal

[@jaysee2213]

I love my Nukeproof Reactor. What a wonderful bike to be on, it feels like an extension of myself. I reaaallly hope they return

[@christophowen]

The Crud Claw should come back, especially for winter riding. Great bit of kit!

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Thats a throw back - hmm - mounting might have to be different - but yeah why not T-Type 12 Speed Crud Claw! Cheers Owen

[@chrisridesbicycles]

That tire lever can‘t wait until Christmas. The Speedier Lever from Crankbrothers was already great but a bit bulky for on the trail. This solves that problem.

[@willhoonforfood4463]

I have both the Trust Shout and the Message. Trust should have led with the Shout because it is AWESOME.

[@johnssmith4005]

Nukeproof definitely MUST come back ! their bikes look soo good

[@cra_55]

You know what I'd love to see make a comeback? Japanese bikes! Bridgestone, Panasonic, Miyata etc. A lot of these brands are actually still somewhat alive, but they only serve the Japanese market and they don't really make anything interesting. It's been way too long since we've since anything noteworthy come out of Japan.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Oh - thats a great shout - Bridgestone made some iconic bikes - some of those bikes we're designed by Grant Petersen - who's now running Rivendell Bicycle Works - but I feel you might know that already! Cheers Owen

[@cra_55]

@@OwenBikeNerd Grant Petersen has gotta be right up there in the list of most influential people in cycling history

[@InitialP_Photography]

Martyn and Owen again? Have they taken over GMBN completely? They should.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Why thank you - also true honour to work with a legend like Martyn - so yep fingers crossed the take over rolls on! Cheers Owen

[@jackiegammon2065]

I would second "Grip Shuft" making a come back; I still have my 8 speed shifters that I keep saying I'm going to put on another bike. I also would love to see Klein, Bontrager and Fisher back as well, although not if they are simply trying to be like everyone else. I also would add the USA made Cannondale bikes, they had lots of new introductions with products, some good and some not that great... but lightweight/well made frames and lightweight.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

Nukeproof was starting to breakout in America and other markets, this is a pretty sad story...

[@GregLanz]

Klein would be number one for me. I'd also like the old cool Cannondale back from the 90's not the rather generic brand of a conglomerate

[@IGGY1969]

Definitely Nukeproof & not just because I've got two bikes, a 2020 Reactor & a 2020 Scout. Awesome bikes. But it wasn't just the bikes they made excellent bike products. I've got stems, pedals (best pedals I've ever owned) bottom brackets etc. And clothing, excellent attire. Sadly missed.

[@simon84hill_mtbhill4]

Trust performance forks are great, I have a set of the big travel on my zerode has lots of everything people hate! grip shift, gearbox drive train. But it flys down hills smoothly and very quiet.

[@paultillsley8777]

Ringle bits including the original holey skewers for boost hubs

[@johndef5075]

Forgot about those skewers! I do have a purple Ringle hub laced to a Mavic 217 rim.

[@ondrejuher3931]

I actually have the Trust fork. Main problem is it is not holding pressure. I have replaced the air spring 2x and it is not holding.

[@tentipiwildcamping]

Im up im Manchester, got a Trust fork on my Bronson, welcome to try it out guys 😊

[@andrew8200m]

Swap the battery and motor out for a belt and a pinion gear box.. absolute banger of an opportunity!

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Ooo now thats an interesting idea!

[@FreeRideKos]

Marzocchi. The Italian one. The OG.

[@joeroche552]

Came here to say the same, so sad I sold my Italian made 888’s

[@FreeRideKos]

@@joeroche552 oh man I've done the same mistake with an RC2X 888..... but bought a Shiver DC when I had the chance

[@craigbest8644]

Would be nice to see Nukeproof and Vitus come back in the same state as they were. Can't see Sports Direct doing that tho.

[@jimmysmith85]

wud love to see use back they made some stunning finishing kit

[@alexmorris3648]

Klein, Suntour components (XC Pro era), Diacompe...

[@stanleystewart925]

Love my OG 90's "Hand Job" Ibis Mojo with Control Tech Lawill Leader Fork & WTB Grease Guard Hubs & also first gen. Ripley AF with My Trust Message Fork...Both bikes are my dream builds that I will Never Sell!!!

[@finroddd]

What about Pole?! It was not mentioned. Probably they do not want it back

[@SwordFighterPKN]

I've got a Trust fork, boy it rides nice. You either like it or you hate it too

[@tentipiwildcamping]

@@SwordFighterPKN Me too, love my Trust fork

[@ballunix]

Cook Brothers would probably still be making the prettiest utile parts if they were to come back. would also be nice to find out if the folks from Brooklyn Machine Works had any clever ideas in this new world of suspension; and schwinn doesn't need to start making bikes again, but the world was better when bass boat blue/green bikes were being made

[@kimondavis2922]

Mongoose Bootr downhill bikes. Best bike that pedalled like a hardtail but rode downhill when it needed to.

[@chrisjong8412]

They original Nukeproof ans Syncross should come back, now its a far cry what it has been

[@ADI121195]

I’d like to see more of the last bikes

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Great to know - we'll try and show more of the new bikes from Last bikes as and when they get released! Cheers Owen

[@markweightman3805]

Crud catcher... 👍

[@Da5idc]

Whyte PRST - 1,especially the fork

[@Velo1010]

Wouldn’t that be awesome to see Kline come back!

[@Mavrik-60]

They bought out by Trek and absorbed into the Co.

[@Velo1010]

@@Mavrik-60 I remember that but if they could bring back the name that would be something. I wouldn’t buy one because my next purchase will hopefully be a Santa Cruz or another Specialized.

[@adamsmith8561]

We need a club roost comeback!!

[@AppleJack76]

What is the tel # for the Road Bike Help Center? Asking for a friend.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

ha ha ha ha GCN can help too - they're good folks too... but yep always here to help in your time of need... Cheers Owen

[@Emtbtoday]

What happened with TIOGA they still around? I would only run their tyres in my DH days had some great saddles to.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Ooh thats a great question - I'll try and find out! Cheers Owen

[@johndef5075]

Farmer Johns were my first high performance tires.

[@norko94]

One thing I would like to see come back is more main stream steal frame full suspension, I like the feel of my steal Torrent S1 so much, and they are not ready available (at least in Canada I don't see any)

[@drill_fiend1097]

Trust should just try again but as a gravel fork. It's like uncharted territory with very few competitors in. If they can't compete with traditional MTB forks they might as well try other niches.

[@ellerybice3787]

Sam Hill built the a Stonehenge, Fact

[@OwenBikeNerd]

This is news - he is a Legend - but yep didn't know he built Stone Henge! Cheers Owen

[@mechpade]

Just waiting for Structure to release a modernized SCW-1. Mine's a good used bike so far!

[@greengonzonz]

I love riding mtb and also enjoy road. I've no intrest in gravel 🤔 Anyone else?

[@Scouting4hardtails]

Nukeproof... Somehow there has to be a way not to let that brand die a sad horrible death😢

[@stujm8376]

Probably not unless someone buys it from the really nice bloke who bought it up and stripped all the assets… sports direct, muddy fox, karrimor… I’m just saying…

[@dannyheyrman4848]

@gmbntech the shifters on Martyn's old cannndale are sachs shifters, not grip shifts.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

On the bike shown you're - quite correct - but i'm pretty sure Martyn did run GripShift at some points during his long career - minor point is GripShift aka SRAM bought Sachs - but yep your right! Cheers Owen

[@dannyheyrman4848]

@@OwenBikeNerd the Sachs shifter was a good shifter. Still have the 9 speed on my 3th back up bike. The grip shift was actually a crap shifter. Especially the top of the line clear model, which was prone to breaking , slippery with muddy hands and suffering unintentional shifting due to a low tension spring.

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

Trust suspension was developed by Dave Weagle, Jason Schiers, and Hap Seliga.

[@GrahamFootBicycleLover]

AMP research, had 3 AMP frames, branded as Mongoose and the forks were amazing. Um Cotic. Oh dear

[@Markozzy]

nukeproof is one for me

[@joeroche552]

Stratos forks, they where stunning

[@mikethebike5014]

Cannondale Headshok

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Great shout! Although - Cannondales Lefty Ocho is still available - not cheap though! Cheers Owen

[@tim__sadler]

#quiz - Trust suspension was a weird brain dump from Dave Weagle, Jason Schiers (ENVE), and Hap Seliga (from Competitive Cyclist).

[@smoothisfast6644]

Those rim clips look like a slimmed down version of cushcores clips.

[@JeffMTBinVA]

Nukeproof! GMBN should start a funding campaign to buy the Nukeproof IP and bring the brand back. Imagine making it a public company and we are all owners. 🙂

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Great idea - alas the brand name has already been bought... But hmm could co-creation design group like Rally Fighter did in the off-road car space work? Cheers Owen

[@JeffMTBinVA]

@@OwenBikeNerd I meant buy it from the F Group that has it now, I named them in my original comment but it wouldn't post so I removed it. The Rally Fighter model is interesting but very expensive results. Let's say the F Group brings Nukeproof back but only has frames made and the buyer custom orders with components of their choice. That could end up being very expensive when you compare that to pre built bikes. That would go against the value and quality NP was known for. If they went the semi custom option like Propane with similar prices now that would be perfect.

[@_Justinriceism_]

Long live Nukeproof

[@unfineartist]

I miss carumba cranks :)

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

Gravel is not a fad. They’ll eventually evolve into mountain bikes 🤣

[@Bennysmith-du9fv]

Nice wheel's mmm🤟💯

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

Martin should be permanently on the tech show!

[@meltedcubetv9379]

Huffy Sunday was an excellent bike, they got screwed by another manufacturer…

[@tbull1545]

club roost

[@trevorsg80]

#quiz Dave Weagle, Jason Schiers, and some guy from competitive cyclist.

[@derekneumann]

RINGLE....

[@francisdee9955]

🎉

[@theliquidstate3216]

Bring back Azonic and cook brothers racing to name a few!

[@Unamatrix01]

Trust MTB suspension was developed by Dave Weagle and Hap Seliga.

[@paulfraley7990]

12:00 Rocky Mountain Element for $7K with 370 hubs. Ok…

[@meltedcubetv9379]

Evil chamois Hagar, best gravel bike ever…

[@darrenwall5439]

10 or 11k is crazy lads... That "cothic" ebike is lovely but 6000 for the frame?? Its not mak8ng sence these prices! On the other hand making something is becoming more of a reality for me at this stage! STEEL IS REAL 💚

[@feedbackzaloop]

Yearning for old brands and products of yesterday means overlooking new brands and innovative solutions of today. Let's us be honest: as ever-growing bike market is, it is still finite. So is person's attention

[@OwenBikeNerd]

We do cover all the latest bikes released in the News section of the show - It also feels good to look back at past tech learn where we've come from? Cheers Owen

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@OwenBikeNerd true, Crankbrothers started with a tyre lever, Shimano once did a freewheel - and look at them now! Everyone starts small and fights their way up. But there is a reason they and much alike still relevant and the majority didn't make it through years. Those were the mistakes I wouldn't want to repeat.

[@Gadgetdad007]

Elton Johns love child 😂

[@OwenBikeNerd]

I'll take that as a compliment! Cheers Owen

[@Markozzy]

watch the guy Kesterman video on the cotic ebike very detailed video

[@johndef5075]

Trust? Don't make me Lauf😂

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Ha ha ha ha - thats great!

[@johndef5075]

​@OwenBikeNerd my friend actually just bought a Lauf for his gravel bike! He's enjoying it so far.

[@lda6496]

That cotic e bike looks so dated , wait is it a late April fools joke ! How much 😮

[@Shawn-in-da-Canyon]

Trust screwed themselves by not offering their fork in all the normal travel levels. I wish they would comeback though.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Interesting insights - I guess as the axle path wasn't the same as traditional fork perhaps the shorter travel rode like a longer travel traditional fork? I feel the pricing was pretty steep too - shame as they did seem to be ultra innovative Cheers Owen

[@GlenHunt]

@HARZENDURO said "GRAVEL IS NOT A THREAT TO MTB IT'S AN ADDITION." You mean like a benign tumor? Yes, I agree. Kidding, of course. There's a Brit who runs gravel tours in southern Portugal near where I'm going to move. I plan to book for a day or two soon after I get there. No better way to see my new home than on a bike.

[@airhorn9066]

No one going to mention pace!???? Would have killed for pace forks back in the day.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Good shout - but Pace are still making suspension bikes and some tidy looking hardtail - Pace suspension forks did migrate to DT Swiss - so to a degree their still around - but yeah great shout! Cheers Owen

[@airhorn9066]

@@OwenBikeNerd omg! So they are! The absolute coolest forks back in the day!

[@ibanez2010]

Sette/Nashbar 😢

[@johndef5075]

Bought tons of stuff from both. We even had a Nashbar outlet store for awhile.