BREAKING NEWS : Couple CARRYING 200lbs of Gear & Water HAVE TO BE RESCUED

[@republicjim120]

Years ago I participated in a SAR rescue of a guy snowshoeing to a remote cabin in the mountains. He was an experienced hiker from Oregon who had a channel showing hikes all over the PNW, but generally nothing in wintry conditions. He chose to come to our mountainous area of NE Washington and haul a ton of gear in a sled, believing that he was going to spend several days in the cabin. He got exhausted trying to pull the sled around switchbacks and across sidehills, and only made it about half of the 6+ miles. After spending a very cold night in a sleeping bag in a snow trench with no shelter or heat (because he was going to be staying in a cabin with a wood stove) he called for help. We found that he too was carrying a lot of water, which of course froze solid overnight. I'm not sure why he thought he needed to haul that much water to a cabin surrounded by miles of untouched snow. We found him extremely cold and thirsty in an area thick with trees, where it would have been dead simple to set up a tarp shelter and make a fire, if only he had been carrying appropriate survival gear instead of many pounds of useless stuff. it just showed us that even experienced hikers can do stupid things when they get out of their element.

[@NMorse]

I remember that guy. He made the rounds in my different hiking groups here in Wa. Plus I think my good friend was one if the ones who responded or it was our other friend.

[@tiddybearkush]

He was never experienced if he ended up like that. Plain and simple. Just because he walks "small car roads" which is the standard of paths in the USA outdoors for many kilometers and filming it doesn't mean he has experience. Btw what a 🐈.. dude walked 5km and called rescue.. just walk back instead. 5km in snow with a sled is just a 6 hour walk.

[@michaelfitzgerald9815]

Calling someone an 'experienced' anything is only applicable to the things they are 'Experienced' in. Many people who thru hike the AT, PCT, and CDT are 'experienced' hikers, but that doesn't mean they are 'experienced' in thru hiking. I've been hiking for almost 50 years, but that doesn't mean my experience is applicable to hiking in the desert. Just the fact that the guy you are referring to was carrying the excess water makes me question his overall experience let alone his experience in winter conditions. W are all beginners / novices in each area o/style of hiking until e gain this experience. Unfortunately, people who have 'experience ' fail to realize that not all experience is relatable to all circumstances.

[@republicjim120]

@@michaelfitzgerald9815 Very well stated.

[@pkk6428]

True. When my son was in boy scouts, we went on several backpacking trips. I think most of them were around 5 miles max. I had some heavy gear and learned to get lighter gear as the trips went. The good thing was there were several people going with experience, plus one of the scout masters was a doctor in his 9 to 5 job. Never hike alone

[@phild8095]

I was taught by WWII veterans how to backpack. We climbed the hills of central Massachusetts as a group. The typical load out for 12 year old kids in the summer was about 30 pounds each. By the time I was 35 I was winter solo packing into the Whites, and the Berkshires. Now at 67, in the past week I've rucked 23 miles with a 27 pound load out. Every DAY with the dog, in the past week wind chills were already into negative numbers. In the summer I carry five liters of water, one for me to drink, two for the dog to drink and two for me to pour into the dog's fur to cool him. Carrying a pack in all weather is a skill. All skills require knowledge, tools, supplies and practice.

[@TheNighthawk00]

All good points but I would add that leaving at 6 p.m. when it's dark, is simply not a good idea.

[@MrSheckstr]

No kidding…. At this time of year (and maybe i am great lakes Biased) 6pm is about the time the coffee should be boiling

[@neonsamurai1348]

Yep even with a flashlight or headlamp, things look different at night and it is very easy to get lost, even if you know the area well.

[@edgartokman4898]

Some people are at their best at night as long as you know the roads and the area in the state you're in ...

[@ardiberen]

@@edgartokman4898 The roads? But yes the sentiment is that you can go hike/camp in the dark no problem. Not in bear country, not without the appropriate gear, not in a dangerous/technical area, etc.

[@thomasmusso1147]

​@@edgartokman4898 Roads and very well-established Paths .. fine. Here in my part of Switzerland, walking through my local forest from a neighbouring village back to home at night is not a problem .. and is safe. Unfamiliar 'rough' trails in less than optimum weather (for the circumstances) .. don't think so.

[@kearnsey64]

I almost died from exposure on Mt. Lafayette when I was in my early 20’s. My brother and I left the car in 75 degree weather. I was in cotton shirt and shorts. When we got within a half mile of the summit, the sun dropped behind the mountain and the Montreal Express kicked into high gear. The wind was unbelievable. I laid down on the trail and wanted to go to sleep. My brother, got me on my feet and literally pushed me to the platforms. I suffered mountain sickness and he then started pumping hot liquids into me and got me in my bag inside the tent. He saved my life that day. When we woke up the next morning, my t shirt and shorts were frozen solid! I learned many lessons that weekend.

[@jzubs]

thats incredible

[@bobhayes8750]

I had the same experience on the first 4000m mountain I tried to day hike - fortunately an experienced hiker found me and got me deep breathing, drinking, and eating - all of which you don't naturally want to do when you have AMS - your body lies to you.

[@PhilosophyofElivagar]

Started pumping hot liquids in you huh?

[@Ja_youtube_Ja]

whattttt, mountain sickness on Mt. Lafayette, are you joking?

[@bobbys4327]

@@Ja_youtube_Ja how high is it?

[@jamesr-lc2yh]

Years ago I was homeless for about 4-5 years. I learned so much by being homeless. I know what's needed and what's not. I've learned alot more since then. Why would anyone need 100lbs of gear? That's crazy!!!

[@thebeginnersurvivalist]

Same here, its amazing what someone can learn from hardship like that.

[@neonsamurai1348]

There are times when you may need to haul upwards of that amount, like if you are setting up a camp for a month or two deep in the bush, or setting up a hunting/research base camp, or a hot tent. Still I absolutely agree with the idea of being as minimal as possible.

[@bernieburton6520]

I lived on the streets for around 8 years and while I certainly had at least a 100lbs of stuff, I kept a good portion of that in a large suitcase with wheels that I could pull. A good large backpack and then a large duffel bag I could have going over my shoulder and across my chest to hang on the opposite side of my body from the shoulder the strap was on, and the strap was very padded for comfort. But again, the heaviest stuff was in something I could roll along behind me. And I certainly wasn't climbing any mountains. Maybe small hills. And those were tough enough. Since I generally found areas of the city that were heavily wooded to set up camps where no one else was around.

[@mlisaj1111]

A lot of people think “more gear and supplies = more safe,” because sometimes that is true. But if it’s the wrong stuff or you just hit different conditions than expected, it’s just more weight.

[@kpburiedunder2152]

KZbin makes everything look so easy. Glad they made it out.

[@davidwilson-zs5xd]

I am sar in Wales in the UK, happens all the time, well said Luke ❤

[@OldtricksForolddog]

I love Wales ❤️

[@domcorleone66]

I'm an excessive camper. By that I have an expanse camp set up. Folding canopies, tables, cooking gear, etc. My family and I are comfortable. We have done backpack and biking trips with minimal gear. Watching this and other channels, reading comments, I have learned how to pare down my gear. Looking at replacing canopies with large, lightweight tarps, for example. I just turned 58 and still love tent camping!! I played this video for my wife. She was flabbergasted! We know our limits. When Luke said that they started at 6pm, I had feeling that this was not going to end well. Fortunately the campers were safe but hopefully they learned a valuable lesson. Thanks for sharing, Luke!!

[@robertbrannan9375]

You said 5 liters of water. More like 5 gallons!

[@marcfavell]

I came here to say exactly the same thing 40 lb is 4.8 gallons😅

[@paul7754]

Yeah - 5 gallons is a lot of water. Here in the desert Southwest we don't leave the house without 2 gal. for an 'overnighter'. I expect this couple had no clue of water resources along the trail - as most 'trails' have. We hike often for 2 - 3 days where this is no water (nature of our environment) - but we know it.

[@paul7754]

Sorry - replied to wrong comment! To your point though - cold winter backpacking (in the wild) requires a substantial load of essential gear. Modern 'ultralight' gear is very expensive and even then you'd likely still be at 50 - 60 lb. pack weight. IMO this couple was influenced by someone's pics and description of 'their' adventure on Facebook/Meta whatever and decided they could experience it as well but were inexperienced and unprepared. They may incur a substantial fee for the 'rescue' as well.

[@gabrielcoman8039]

Yes water has density of 1, meaning 19 kg equals 19 liters or 5 gallons.

[@wallace-bv4rl]

@@gabrielcoman8039yes an excellent advert for metric system and ease of visualisation I kg = 10cmx10cmx10cm = 1litre water

[@craig2795]

I would be the first to admit that even though I have over 40 years of outdoorsman, bushcraft and camping experience and over a decade of military experience as part of that, that even I benefit still from watching the TOGR. It’s just a case of keeping up to date with what’s new, what’s useful and what’s not and it’s never been easier to do it than in the modern day. If I’m honest TOGR keeps my gear relevant as part of carrying what I need and needing what I carry.

[@yakfishin4912]

You have glass bro in telling this story. You coulda bashed them but you kept us in check with our thoughts and comments just by example. You rock bro.

[@kristymoore7052]

I saw your thumbnail and OMG chuckled and clicked. Before watching this, I’ll say that on the John Muir Trail at Muir Trail Ranch where hikers can pick up their resupply, purchase fuel and such and…weigh their packs, 2 hikers were weighIng their packs and both clocked in at OVER 80 lbs each! I was shocked, thinking if must be fun to be young, they DID make it to the ranch from somewhere. At 61, my fully loaded, food and water to carry on was 23 lbs.

[@tammykeith5909]

I am glad that they made it out safely. Back in 2017 I was down at the Amacolola state park next to the lodge in Georgia and was stunned at the sight of a man crawling out of the parking lot with a pack that must have been at least 100 pounds, I don't know how far he got as we were leaving to catch my flight home, but I know how many asked me if I was alright in my short time on the trail so he would have people that were quick to help him too. My trip went well but it was so good knowing people were treating me as good as family out there. I still needed to improve some of my gear as it had been so long a time that I was out of camping that the tec for camping gear had changed more than I had realized. So even an old dog like me has more to learn.

[@kathybrandt6060]

Luke, thank you for bringing this to everyone’s attention. As normal you did not make those two backpackers seem ignorant they made a mistake. But they were smart enough to bring a phone that could hook to the satellites system to get somebody in there to rescue them. It’s amazing what we have nowadays. I hope they learned from this and in years can laugh about it. I personally could write a book about how many stupid mistakes I made going camping or kayaking or hiking. But what’s important as I learned from my mistakes. I also can laugh at my mistakes. I just thank God that he let me live through all the mistakes I made.

[@tammieflemal7871]

Remember in “Wild “ she was attempting to put on her pack fully loaded for the first time. In the beginning I’m sure many of us packed to heavy. But you learn quickly that ounces equal pounds. Hope they learn and try again cause it’s a great activity

[@markrossnagel4680]

As a retired US Coast Guardsman, we have bumper stickers that say, " Support the US Coast Guard : Get lost!" Some people have way more enthusiasm than experience. At this stage of life, my hikes are day hikes with a day pack. Always prepared to spend the night but always within my means.

[@Rando-user-zm1fx]

Coast guard is overrated. Glorified fireman that do even less

[@markrossnagel4680]

@@Rando-user-zm1fx Wow, sorry that you felt that your unsolicited reply was necessary. I hope that in whatever way you chose to serve your fellow man, you have done it with pride and not feel the need to belittle another person to make yourself feel more important. After 20 years in the Coast Guard I somehow have managed to be a volunteer fireman for the past 28 years. Just because of the love I have for others and their safety. I pray that you find peace in whatever you do.

[@ShinyNickelBlades]

@@markrossnagel4680 My Grandpa was also Coast guard. A VERY long time ago.

[@markrossnagel4680]

@@ShinyNickelBlades I joined in 77 and retired in 97 so I guess that is a long time ago to some. Still feels like it was yesterday sometimes.

[@ShinyNickelBlades]

@markrossnagel4680 I'm not sure what years he served, but he was born in the early 30's.

[@kurtwagenman4327]

During my years with NPS Search and Rescue, we performed gear and experience checks before issuing Backcountry permits. Glacier, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone. From my understanding NPS has been kinda forced to move away from the more personal and instructional aspect due to the sheer volume of hikers. We now have an amazing group of volunteers called PSAR, preventive Search and Rescue, these wonderful people are very experienced and well trained to give guidance and instruction to hikers that they feel would benefit from their training. Countless lives have been saved by PSAR volunteers in our national parks. Unfortunately these positions are seasonal, usually summer only. Perhaps, just perhaps we should put them on the payroll year round. Those folks from Colorado could have lost their lives due to not knowing.. literally... anything. My 31 years worth of two cent opinions.

[@graciel3725]

5 liters of water is 11#. According to Google. Some channels make atuff look easy, and fail to mention how to prep or offer any practical advice. So thanks for what you do, Lucas!

[@bubbaray_1968]

It would have been closer to 5 gallons of water for 42 pounds. Metric to imperial conversion is not easy for Americans. 😊😅❤

[@meTWO2323]

​@@bubbaray_1968It was 5 gallons, not liters.

[@wolfeadventures]

They had 5 gallons.

[@stevepicard3668]

5L of water is exactly 5Kg, so 11 pounds. 19 Kg would be 19L, so aproximatly 5 U.S. Gallons!

[@marcfavell]

Yeah 40 lb of water if they were carrying is actually 4.8 gallons I caught that one too

[@SynergyGamingTV]

My bushcraft bag is 100L and when loaded with my items is 90lbs. Keep in mind I'm not hiking. Here in Alberta Canada, we have to travel 1km from any road or provincial/national recreation zone (campgrounds or parks) So I never travel more than approx 1km with all that weight. In the winter, I use a sled and bring more stuff.

[@don7294]

Back in late 70's we saved the lives of two young inexperienced canoe campers In Yellowstone National Park. Every spring for four years we would go to the park to go fishing on Shoshone Lake. We canoed across Lewis Lake the day the ice melted and then pulled our canoe up the stream to Shoshone Lake and set up camp in the snow. On our third day we noticed a very small canoe on the other side of the lake. We canoed over to say hello since there was no one else on the lake and found two young teenagers trying to start a fire in the snow. They had arrived the night before and had no tent, no warm sleeping bags or warm winter gear and were unable to start a fire. Everything they had brought was frozen And they were both suffering from hypothermia. We started a fire and thawed out their gear and food And told them they shouldn't stay since we didn't have enough gear or food to take care of them. We were shocked that they were able to make it as far as they did. They were terrified and as soon as they were thawed out and got a bit to eat, they packed up and canoeed back out. I don't think they realized how cold and snowy it would be at Shoshone Lake And they certainly didn't bring the proper gear. We had a well packed 20 foot canoe and they had a cheap almost empty 16-footer with no life jackets. Close call for them for sure. Seek professional help when venturering out into the wilderness.

[@PoohBearAdventures]

It was foolish as all heck, but I am very, very glad they are ok. Kudo’s to the rescue teams for doing what they do.

[@Rando-user-zm1fx]

I'm sure you've never made any mistakes in your life.

[@c.b.8411]

That's a very good and valuable story. Nobody knows the "real weight" of your backpack unless you walk at least two or three kilometers with it on your back! So...good luck and stay safe!

[@alexandrelebeuf6289]

Super good idea to tell a story like that once in a while. Brings back the need to not think that everything will be ok all the time.

[@JesseCase]

When I went through SOPC when I was in the Army, everytime I would weigh in my ruck at the end of a land nav course it would always come in at 96lbs because of the set packing list we had to carry! The crazy part was that at the time I only weighed around 130lbs at best! 😂😂 Good times!! Also them putting their shoes outside is nuts to me, especially in the snow! I see civilian hikers and campers doing it all the time. That is one thing you are taught to never do in the military, but I also never done it prior to joining the military. Not only do they freeze in the winter which is miserable to have to put on the next morning, but in the warm months you will put your foot in on top of a scorpion or spider! Put them things inside your tent!! Also if you want them to be warm in the morning you can stuff them into the bottom of your sleeping bag. Or lay them outside the bag, but under it, under your feet or as a pillow.

[@210outdoors2]

Yes it is sad to see people that just think when they watch outdoors related content or just read about it that they can just pick up and head out without ever have done it before. You are right on emphasizing knowing your gear, capabilities, and area you are traveling. Hopefully this video will reach those to make them think. Thanks for sharing this video Luke. I know people need to hear it

[@3bagsandatent379]

My sister and I had first trip with double what we needed, but found out what we didn't need really fast. Now have great experience to use, and laugh at, to plan our trips.

[@2amendactivist]

100lbs loads at 12kft plus. Sounds like a typical successful elk hunt in Colorado 😂😂 Now I remember why we train so hard all year ever year.

[@johnschiesser144]

Luke, just curious, have you climbed Mt. Whitney?

[@shellyodonnell7924]

They definitely made some poor choices. My hope is that someone they know sees this video and shows it to them. Great learning experience. Glad they are safe.

[@jankarel6454]

I don't know a whole lot about camping, which is why I watch videos on it. But this one left me shaking my head. This sounds similar to buying a car when you don't know how to drive, but then driving it home from the showroom anyway. And then being surprised when you cause an accident.

[@shawn5222]

J if your new to backpacking there are lots of channels to choose from, Luke here is the least informative channel I’ve seen.

[@Baysha1000]

Reminds me of a decades old story (way before autonomous cars were a thing) where somebody bought a new camper and then while driving it on the highway turned on cruise control and LEFT THE DRIVER SEAT to go make themselves a coffee. And then tried to sue the company because the camper obviously didn't stay in its lane and crashed.

[@jamesbridges7750]

42 lbs of water is 5 GALLONS!!!! 5 liters is entirely acceptable for 2 people.

[@pkk6428]

42lbs is about 20 liters. Crazy even when I was backpacking

[@rjstewart]

At 1 kg per 1 litre (a benefit of metric) he messed up somewhere!

[@dutchbachelor]

I grew up in the mountains of Tyrol / Austria. Every year, we had hikers who went up there either over packed like a mule or completely under equipped. Basically going up there in tennis shoes shorts, no rain gear or jackets and with one bottle of water and a sandwich. Because the weather was nice when they started. Then they had to be brought down by mountain rescue or even by helicopter. Some of them even try to sue because they find the costs for their rescue excessive... No accountability whatsoever. Starting their tour too late was another common issue and when it got dark they get lost / wander off trail. But the most major cause: people just underestimating that they need to get used to the altitude. They come from sea level and the following day try to hike up to 3.000 meters (starting at 1.300 meters). If you are not in really good physical condition, this can easily trigger a heart attack. People often arrive and immediately want to "storm the mountain" because they are paying for it, after all. Instead of taking their time, get adjusted and then first attempt an easy hike...

[@thomasmusso1147]

Yep. That said .. rather too much than too little (as long as it's the right stuff for the situation). In an emergency, one can always then, 'bail', ditch that unnecessary and get back to safety. But then .. one must know when to 'call it a day' 😏.

[@MisfitKingofLeftovers]

Definitely needed that! Just a bit of perspective and common sense I mean I think I'm pretty good at hitting trail with my system but hearing cautionary tails like this always helps ya think about your mistakes and how to correct em

[@Lillylee2599]

I'm impressed that you know SAR, a lot of folks just say search and rescue. I was on a SAR team as a K9 handler, best years of my life; learned a lot and made wonderful friends all over the state of Kentucky.

[@D.A.B-w7n]

When I was a teen, I joined a program called “Explorers” which was an off-shoot of the Boy Scouts (which doesn’t exist anymore sadly) and the group I joined did Search and Rescue. In the 9 months I participated I saw people do things in the backwoods that made me question humanity. When the question “are these humans even worth saving?” I left the program.

[@capichow]

😂😂😂

[@iamnobody9542]

Yup. My son and I have rescued lost hunters a couple of times. I think they would get lost 3 feet from the sidewalk in a city park with 3 compasses, a GPS and a string deployed behind them! Seriously!! Yeah, if asked, we would do it again... Because we know that woods... Ravine country.

[@craig2795]

The Boy Scouts (I did Beavers, Cubs and Scouts before a military career) laid a foundation of skills and mindset that are still the bedrock of what I do now. Part of that is the fact that whenever I head out, I’m thinking not just about what I need, but also who might I find out there that may need my assistance and where practical I pack to also allow for that. I’m glad I do, because like many I’m sure, I have rarely needed help because of my gear, training and experience but I have helped many who don’t have those skills. That’s a Boy Scout ethos that we learn as kids and stays with us even now in my 50s

[@fredbarkett131]

We do still exist. We exist with the same program, oath and law.

[@D.A.B-w7n]

@ Know what you mean, to this day I still hike with 2-3 pounds more stuff than I need or rarely use. Extra first aid, food, etc etc in case someone else needs it, be prepared👍

[@TexasRoast]

I hiked the PCT in 2021, and a guy was on the trail doing the whole thing on Walmart gear. I met them at mile 150ish, but you would be surprised how far someone with determination can make it on budget gear. That being said, carrying 100 lbs up to the top of Mt Whitney or even to one of the base camps is ludicrous for someone with no altitude acclimation or training. After hiking the 750-odd miles of trails to get to Mt Whitney it's a piece of cake.

[@johnwakamatsu3391]

I am glad that the couple was found alive. I had three high school classmates who were Eagle Scouts were died during a day cross country ski hike because of a large winter storm. A total of five people died in this storm because they did not have enough winter gear. I cannot believe how people are not properly prepared for any outdoor adventure.

[@c.b.8411]

That's really very sad.

[@lindawoods6841]

Thank you Luke for this story...

[@williammunson3615]

When my late Ex and I first started camping were carried WAY too much gear even for camping our of a truck. The next season we sold off almost everything we had or gave it away and started over. I subscribed to a canoeing oriented magazine a learned so much. We bought all new lighter, more expensive, gear and it paid off bigtime! Rather than spending all our time shaking gear around we were able to enjoy camping and did not sacrificed comfort. Also we were then actually able to go on multi-day trips in our canoe. This was in the early 90's before the computer age so research, and gear, was different but to novices it it vital! Plus, I am still using the same gear up until a few years ago when I got hit with health problems but if those get cleared up I will be using it all again!

[@normanc.2021]

That's a lesson learned hopefully Luke. The problem is people watch a video online and want to do the same thing without realizing the skill level of the person doing it.

[@karenstein8261]

Before we make fun of these folks, consider: It’s really easy to accumulate a mountain of gear simply by following everyone’s advice as to what you “must” have. Add to that the temptation to add stuff for what “might” be needed. Then you’re told to plan for all the unexpected (It “might” snow, even if it’s July). Don’t forget the food. Hasn’t anyone ever told you that you can easily skip meals for a couple days? No food means no cooking gear, no fuel, etc. Last but not least, don’t overlook the utility of practice. Small, short trips will help you learn what’s needed. Don’t make climbing Mt. Everest your first trip. Small trips will also get you in condition. Conditioning, apart for making you stronger, also teaches your body to adapt to differing climates - reducing your need for bulky sleeping gear. Mt. Whitney? That CAN be a day trip. One night tops. Two nights if you take your time.

[@Fluxxcapacitor52]

Nah, look at their kit. Complete 💩. In today's age of readily available information there is no exscuse for this level of stupidity. These people belong in the "Natural Selection" file. This is why the gene pool is so bad, folks like these live now and create more morons.

[@chucknaill]

One of my mentors is Dwight McCarter, a retired ranger from the GSMNP. He wrote "Lost-A Rangers Journal of Search and Rescue". I highly recommend. I also recommend a mentor and/or even taking a class. I was at the Ice Water Springs Shelter circa 1986 and an instructor, and his students showed up. I watched everything they did and learned so much. The first thing he did was strip down and replace the damp clothes with the warm stuff. He chose the bottom bunk so he could make breakfast in bed.

[@Minnesota_Vance]

As "stupid" as it may seem to hike with 100lbs of gear, you can do it but you have to be in shape and know what you are doing. As a former Army Infantryman, i know it can be done. This couple was not prepared and didnt realize their own limits. You dont need a lit of crap to enjoy the outdoors. Just kniw what you actually need.

[@GunfighterAlpha]

Can confirm. 100+lbs rucks are fairly common in the infantry, just a part of that life but we trained for it and had a different mindset. For you or I, we may even choose to take this amount of weight. For someone whos never done it and thinks they can get away with it, good luck lol.

[@jpjohnbo]

I was also in the infantry and lugged those heavy packs around for years. I just can't see a hiking around a 100+lbs load for a fun, recreational trip. And with today's lightweight equipment, I think a heavy load of "essential" gear (lots of comfort items) would top out at no more than 50-60 pounds.

[@harrisdail9939]

​@@jpjohnbolol I jumped and hummed those 100 pound plus rucks. now I keep mine at 40 and below. lesson learned compliments of US Army and Spec Ops

[@carlosgustavodouineau]

I think Sherpas from Nepal are able to carry even more than 100 lbs. But they are fully prepared to do that.

[@davidcrossroad8181]

Yeah, in the Army you quickly touch that 100lbs limit. Sleep-setup, cooking gear, warm-clothing, weapons systems, munitions, optics, radio, batteries for all the before mentioned and haven't even mentioned food, water and mission-essential equipment. But we train for this kinda thing. Plus our gear wasn't the lightest either however it was good quality. Like Luke said, it was pretty impressive they got that far given the limited experience and knowledge they had. Good thing nobody was hurt.

[@anthonyromano8565]

LOL, I hiked 220 miles to the top of Mt Whitney and never carried more than 32 lbs including the last 100 miles with no resupply.

[@citomp1240]

Out of all the channels I subscribe to, yours is the only one I contribute to. Agenda free is the way to be. Didn't think it was possible to be agenda free because everyone has to earn a living. And this fact is sort of a trap to control people. Keep up the good work Luke never change. A long howl! From the pack. Wish we could camp together sometime Luke, keep howling brother.

[@JeffSanchez19]

Thanks, Luke. That's what this is all about, sharing and learning. In my case, in my country, we have a 3475 m (11400 ft) volcano with roughly 1500 m (4921 ft) of positive slope and I used to carry five liters of water since there was no source of it. It is a 6 to 8 hours hike in a good shape (some people take 12 hours or more) with technical sections and most of the times my backpack was over 60 pounds (27 kg) and it was very challenging, even in my prime years. I can't even imagine carrying 100 pounds (45.3 kg) on a hike.

[@marknesselhaus4376]

I was a raw new hiker back in 94 and hiked the first stretch of Georgia on the AT with a 75 lb load. I had read plenty of books and watched several video tapes yet still had to learn the hard and painful way. I made it 4 days before I had to get off the trail and after learning many things I did much better in 98 with about 28 lbs total including water.

[@carolwelcome2882]

Thank God for people like you Luke with the experience, wisdom and knowledge to share with us your subscribers. This couple didn’t do their research before adventuring into something like this. They were blessed that thy didn’t lose their lives.

[@ShinyNickelBlades]

Wow! This story beats my first backpacking trip! My pack was way too heavy, but nothing like that, and I did a little research first. I also went with someone who was more experienced than I was.

[@stevensmith1902]

Thank you for sharing and thank you for not making fun of that couple.

[@easternmenace]

When I first started with cheap gear and no experience my bag was around 20kg and that was brutal. Can't imagine carrying over twice that.

[@kennethseeley-ze9pk]

Yes too much weight and inexperience but even starting out for a hike at 6pm is not really wise unless you are experienced. It's good you are here to help people like this. Hopefully they are watching

[@JB-eg1tb]

Wanting to hike is one thing, and knowing the area is another. You said it best "there's a lot of irresponsibility" made 4:24. It takes time to acclimate to higher elevation and carrying a pack. Went on a 5 day hike on an elevated mountain area and it took me several months to prepare for that hike. Good thing they lived and hope they hike much more prepared next time.

[@MarchOfTheWarrior27000km]

Hey Luke, I love your channel for the gear review. Good content ! That being said it’s taken me 13,000km straight and massive training to effectively carry 100lbs of gear for 30km average a day. I do agree with you. If your new to hiking or rucking DO NOT CARRY THAT MUCH. you just don’t need to do it. I could carry 30lbs and be more then comfortable but I like to challenge myself. Hence the massive load. Forced suffering ! Also that dosent look even close to 100lbs of gear. But you never know. Play safe and live to ruck another day !

[@robertphillips93]

Good advice, Luke! When making plans for any trip, I like to start with an observation by a famous American scalawag -- "There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns." To the first category belong such attitudes as "oh yeah, I did a hike like this 25 years ago" and "Altitude sickness? -- never had it." and "according to the weather report, it won't ever be below 40F". I cat 2, "my sleep system is comfortable down to freezing, which should be adequate, but I also have insulating layers to extend that another 15-20 degrees." and "we should have plenty of daylight hours to stay on schedule and safe, but are taking headlamps too." And of course, cat 3 includes a diverse group of preps, from PLBs to Immodium . . . (A recent video put out by Death Valley hiker Steve Hall is a good contrast to this unfortunate example you're looking at. Steve and a friend are ready for a 3 1/2 day epic trip in the Panamint range. I'm curious about what seems to be a fairly modest length -- until I learn that much of it will be off-trail and indeed, serious bush whacking. Their gear is hardly UL, but it's serviceable to the terrain -- they're both wearing boots and seems like they'll be well fed. His pack, including camera and drone (used outside the NP only), is a tick under 50 lbs, his buddy's 36. I'm a huge fan of cross-country hiking, and this looked like a wonderful scenic route -- I even want to keep it in mind as a possible trip myself! But as the trip was winding up, Steve kept on emphasising " this route is definitely not for the average hiker -- even one in good shape. In fact, I can't really recommend it for anyone. We have been very challenged with the route-finding. Our hours per day on trail were 14, 11, and 8." Now, this guy has way more than 100 hikes in the desert mountains and he knows both the vagaries of the environment and his ability to meet them -- so it wouldn't make sense to recommend this strenuous and risky of a hike to anyone but his peers. I'm not now nor have I ever been one of them. For viewers on KZbin it's worth keeping in mind that video doesn't at all convey the reality of exposed routes or the treachery of footing on shale scree slopes. BTW, one scene includes the best shot, well exposed under an overhanging rock, of a pissed off rattlesnake you're likely ever gona see.)

[@michaelmcdonald6727]

The very first thing that couple should have done is to check the weather. As Luke can attest to, the weather can change in an instant! Great video luke

[@garyeitel6850]

I bought a hot tent and stove. I’ve been looking at them for a year. I watched your review and a friend bought one. I picked up the FireHiking tent and stove. Tested it last night in the yard and love it. Thanks for all your knowledge Luke.

[@lasvegas313100]

Haha !! Reminded me of the Yosemite backpack trip I took. Finally snagged a wilderness permit to loop I wanted you do …but only person I could find that could go wanted me to carry 8 bottles of wine during the excursion. I did. My pack was huge !!

[@davenewmyer3735]

They should have done an over-night hike in Colorado before the Cali trip.

[@DamianBloodstone]

The most I've carried recently was 55 pounds in a pack. I can't believe they could even move with that much weight on them. Their unskilled abilities were impressive. Granted, military carry even more weight, but have conditioned themselves for it. I laughed at that sleeping bag and gear. My -65 F bag doesn't look that big, and it is synthetic and not down. The amount of water alone should have nearly killed their backs, but then not to even have a water filter. What channel did they learn from? Certainly none most of us listen to. Glad they and the SARS team were all right. This was one I hadn't heard until now. Thanks. Take Care and Stay Safe.

[@gloriamitchell4596]

I agree Luke...That is crazy that the couple lugged that much gear & water!! But the good thing is they were rescued & survived I hope they learned a valuable lesson...That could have been a very story...Wishing you & Susie & family a very Happy, safe & blessed Thanksgiving 🦃🍂

[@dennisshorter]

Great video, because if it saves even one life in the future, it becomes a blessing from God. God bless.

[@speedthetroutguy1468]

Lots of people like the idea of doing an epic hike in trip but you must be honest with yourself about your own abilities. I have gotten in over my head more than once thank God that I survived them

[@lynnw.2118]

Hi Luke, I'm new to your channel, love it! I am just getting into looking/purchasing equipment currently. Of course weight & waterproofing are my bigger priorities now. I went hiking in my 20's when my husband & I lived in England. I'm 61 now! My husband has no desire to sleep on the ground anymore, but our 32 yr old son loves to hike. Yay! BTW, I love your music. I love Tony too. 😆 Both of you are great guys! 😘

[@KathrynMiner]

Thank God, for you and your videos, I know you have saved hundreds and hundreds of people and by watching this video you will save even more people. You are so well appreciated. Never forget that and by the way, I think you’re getting a snowstorm in western North Carolina this week maybe not. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Susie and your children. God bless or as you say strength and honor.

[@Rando-user-zm1fx]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@LorieBurk-m8u]

Your story Luke based on learning experience though it's at the couples expense and experiences they had you've always always pointed out the good n bad things right from wrong and we've learned so many do's n don't s. Everyone should be watching your videos better to be safe than sorry 😔. The couple could have lightened there load my gosh 9 lbs of water 💦 all they needed was a water filter and less to backpack 🎒.

[@livefreewithlove]

So glad they made it out ok. Thank goodness they had communications. I’m still learning myself so I can be as safe as possible.

[@harrisdail9939]

Luke you have used this story to an excellent level as a learning experience. though it is one at the couples expense but you did not berate them or belittle them, you pointed out the same points you have always pointed out and ways it could have been avoided.

[@ScotTrekDude]

I was waiting for your assessment of their gear and its cost . Did something similar myself many years ago in Scottish southern highlands . Hard lesson learned , money wasted, no emergency callout required , big embarrassment. Interesting that they could use their tech to summon SAR, but not do basic research into requirements gear /fitness/experience.

[@sharontouchstone7400]

Very sad. Thanks for sharing this. You gotta do your research before going out into the wilderness.

[@danbar32]

My first gear load out was a good sleeping bag, 2 of those thick space blankets, sierra cup and a bag of oranges all carried in a duffle bag slung over my shoulder like that kung foo guy on TV. I made it back home 5 days later having learned a few lessons.

[@JimRodgers]

Years ago I talked my family into going backpacking. At the time I was in pretty good shape, strength training and doing a lot of hiking. I hauled an 86# pack for a few days on that trip (because my wife & daughter couldn't carry much weight)… You're right, getting that pack on was quite a wrestling match! I would have enjoyed watching them try to put their packs on lol. I'm glad they came away safe and I hope they learned some lessons.

[@geraldinefields1730]

Thank you.

[@shanewallace1126]

Good on them for giving it a go. They'll know better in future. I've carried in three loads by staging up 100 yards at a time, going back for next load...and repeat... and repeat...and repeat. Recover on the return, so I can carry very heavy up. Thank you. 🙃

[@kristymoore7052]

I had to do that once to help people I was with enjoy the experience, but could not carry more than a light day pack. I felt like a mule. Should have just hired one.

[@shanewallace1126]

@kristymoore7052 yup, it takes a while and is a hassle but worth it to get older folk into the back country. Chur, happy trails 🙃

[@timgoward9407]

A couple of years ago, a buddy and I were backpacking Isle Royale and came accros a couple and their young kids, three of them appeared to be between 4 and 10 yers old. The parents were bulging with gear for the five of them, and the children had little school book backpacks. The parents were definetly over loaded and looked spent, and the kids were crying and miserable. It was sad to see that this family is one of the most incredibly beautiful and pristine wilderness areas all haveing a horrible experience. My buddy and I both walked away thinking that is the last time those kids will ever go outdoors because that experience ruined them for life all because of poor planning and inexperience of the parents.

[@Weathernerd27]

My Dad took me on my first week long backpack trip when I was 9 and I loved it so much it became an annual tradition. Our packs were not extremely heavy because my dad took only what we needed and he made me carry my fair share of the weight. The first day was rough but then we set up as base camp and did a combination of dayhikes and shorter pack carry's and it was neat to be way back into the wilderness seeing things most people don't see. My Dad was running marathons at the time so he could carry a 40 lb pack without getting tired, I was more tired than him. Even though we didn't have a ton of gear we had good snacks, cards and good books. We explored alot during the day, He told stories about his college days/other backpacking trips over a small fire, we played card games and he got me into a good book. We ended the trip at the town buffet and after a week of eating lightly boy did that meal hit the spot. He is about 70 now and his backpacking days are about over but we have alot of memories and still do road trips with dayhikes.

[@fox2]

Great ad for Teton Sports hiking packs. A low cost pack that can hold a lot of weight.

Luke, I have learned so much from you and Susie about camping bears and all that yeah that was not very bright of them

[@iahelcathartesaura3887]

You're being exceedingly kind and diplomatic. These things have been happening all over the world where people go hiking or hitchhiking, traveling or whatever outdoors, and lose their lives because they are thinking like delusional children and think this whole world is nothing more than a fun toy to be enjoyed.

[@denielleflemister3331]

I'm not experienced BUT I'm learning on here. I appreciate all you do Luke!!! I'll take pictures when I'm ready. I'm in Colorado sooooooo imma wait until spring 🌼🌱😅

[@kerrir1955]

My very first backpack was the Teton sports and after the first time I hiked with it I realized I had to invest in better quality. Live and learn

[@p.j.talavera8106]

I've seen and heard worse. I've had to save/assist so many weekend warriors from themselves on just about every trail I've been on around the U.S. from taking soda instead of water to no water at all, from leaving their friends/family behind to catch up to ignoring medical conditions, etc.. etc.. I run a trail guide group to combat this very thing. We help teach, prepare, train, educate, and guide. The ineptitude of those who don't know, care, or are too egoic to listen is endless..

[@davesanders9203]

About the Mt. Whitney SAR team - - - - "in season" they do rescues like the about 50% of the time! Because this is the MOST POPULAR "TOURIST" HIKE!!!!! Now when "I" did Mt. WHitney - - - I calculated 7 hrs up and 5 down. Whitch proved 100% accurate. I forgot that I needed an additional 30 minutes at the top to - - - "CATCH MY BREATH"! LOL! I had my pockets filled with beef jerky and Snicker bars! I also had a room reserved at the Dow Hotel. AND a box of Epson Salts next to the private bathtub!

[@Jens-tc5yz]

Thanks

[@ewoll101]

Mt. Whitney is quite a climb, there are a few good stopping spots on the way up but it’s definitely not for the faint of heart. You can easily succumb to elevation sickness and I think it’s perfectly acceptable to call it quits well before you get to the top as there are some beautiful surroundings, including some fishing spots. I’d recommend testing your gear out well in advance before considering such a hike.

[@a.ramosakadrumgrl6677]

Another KZbinr I watch went hiking Mt. Whitney. He had all his gear, went hiking and set up his camp at dusk and would summit the next day. He was woken in the middle of the night by unprepared day hikers that got lost. They had no gear, no warm clothes, no food, nothing! The KZbinr let them warm up in his tent and sleeping bag or quilt. He hiked out the few miles he hiked in and slept in his car. He woke in the morning and hiked up to retrieve all his gear he left behind for this family of four or five people. Those day hikers are lucky they found his tent.

[@Weathernerd27]

I once was camping at a lake and a group of 20 people asked me to filter water because none of them had brought a water filter or stove and all they had was salmon flavored whiskey. My water filter was buried deep in my pack and I was exhausted from the hike up and really didn't want to unpack everything right away. My friend gave me the look when I said give me about 15 minutes to relax then I'll get it out. Water filters get clogged over time and I was alittle annoyed at having to use up so much of the life of my water filter for this one group but I couldn't let them get seriously dehydrated.

[@NT-yh6fy]

Great video already shared.....

[@jasonstram6000]

I'm based in Southern Arizona and my overnight pack typically weighs in around 60- 80 pounds. We don't have much water available, so I always carry 2 gallons on me. Can't tell how many times I have had to fill other people's water bottles that were not prepared.

[@scottclarke5571]

Last year I had to go rescue a canoe from inside a park where i live. The people were medical helicoptered out due to a heart attack the man had. We left at 8am and were canoeing at roughly 10am and the trip should had been 4 hrs in and 4 hrs out. It took us 16hrs twice the amount that day to get out and we almost had to camp 2 lakes from the vehicle. It was snowing and we had extreme winds the canoe i was portaging got picked off my shoulder and launched several feet away. We never panicked we sat down and said to each other do we make fire or keep going asking each other if we were good to go because the temperature was hitting -2c. We portaged the last one after we found the entrance canoed the lake and found the truck. It was a fun journey but always expect things to go bad in a hurry and we were prepared. Thanks for the video.

[@AnDyity]

At lest they had the drive to get out there they just didn't think it though enough.

[@yamamancha]

That's crazy. My 10kg (22lbs) luxury setup good down to 32F/0C includes a 65L pack, rain cover, 2p tent, 3mx3m tarp, stakes, 2 poles, table, chair, sleeping bag, liner, mat, lamp, cooking kit, med kit, and toiletry kit. With food & water for 3 days, it would still be well under 15kg (33lbs). That's just an extreme luxury setup for short hikes, but I could easily reduce the base weight by half and still be very comfortable. These people were perhaps used to bouldering or climbing, which typically involves taking everything you need because there's nothing on the side of a mountain.

[@kitaoden703]

Truly Scary Glad They had phones Outdoor Store Should Offer a Tutorial

[@rms8698]

One time, I was hiking miles with 65 pounds on my back in winter time. Man... never again! So much dragging weight and sweat in that cold weather. I would be happy anything under 50 pounds.

[@michaelduncan123]

All I can say is WOW!

[@thomasmusso1147]

👍👍👍 .. good post. Perhaps one should also look to where they bought their gear .. online or at a store. If a store, then what input from the store staff. An example .. A some years back, I visited, from Switzerland, my home country, South Africa. During a trip to the Mall, I popped into a large Outdoor Store for a 'browse' (Outdoor and Hardware Stores .. cannot resist them 😁). I overhead a middle-aged Lady speaking to one of the Sales Assistants. She was planning a Winter trip to Europe which would have included the Swiss Alps and the 'advice' that she was getting from the person serving her .. 😳 .. it appeared that he had no clue regarding her requirements and / or was going to fleece her for what she was able to pay. I intervened, explaining that I lived in Switzerland and she was gracious enough to listen. This Outlet is well-stocked with good quality, highly functional gear (twelve years on, I have and still use clothing bought at that very store) and the Lady, I think, based on my own own experience, was able to outfit herself to suit appropriately .. nothing not necessary and at a good price. As an aside, I read later, that the then new incoming CEO of that Outdoor Chain, after taking a look-see, took his Board out on an extended 'Outdoor Experience' to get their 'feet wet' and then insisted that this be extended down to the Store Management, Nation-wide. Yes, they were lucky. Good for the Coms, that they knew when to stop and did not go 'Off Trail'.

[@mlisaj1111]

Well, if you have worked many jobs, you know that often training is not what it should be, or that businesses often fill new positions by just switching an employee to that section, with minimal experience at first. That staff person was probably in the shoe section the week before, then told he now works in the outdoor gear section.

[@mlisaj1111]

Well, if you have worked many jobs, you know that often training is not what it should be, or that businesses often fill new positions by just switching an existing employee to that section, with minimal experience at first. That staff person was probably in the fishing lure section the week before, then just told he now works in the camping and hiking gear section.

[@thomasmusso1147]

​@@mlisaj1111👍 True .. and this Store Chain was not the worse .. actually, in fairness, after the new CEO took over, things improved somewhat. In the same Mall, there is another so-called 'Adventure Store' where the Sales Assistants are absolutely clueless. I have contended that they are 'days pay', picked up ad hoc roadside each morning, given 'on-job training' during the journey to the store and then 'let go' at the end of the day 😏. I have worked in an Industry where 'training' forms a major (legislative) component thereof and as with 'security', are 'grudge purchases' .. for many companies, if they did not HAVE to have it, they wouldn't. An exception. Back in the 70's, when I was getting into distance running, I decided that it was time for a decent pair of running shoes. On advice, I went to a specialist store aptly named 'The Sweat Shop'. There I was 'fitted' for a pair of shoes, which entailed me putting on different pairs and then going out and running up and down the sidewalk while the Sales Assistant, 'Jax Snyman' (I still remember his name) took note of my gait, foot pronation, etc, etc. Needless to say, I got for myself, a very good pair of shoes (New Balance) which served me well. My point .. all who worked in the store were runners themselves and 'knew their subject'. Same, just across the road, another Outlet, 'Camp and Climb' from which I got my outdoor gear .. much of which I still have and use today. They too, 'knew their stuff'.

[@jacksonjohnson9674]

Ok, if you are new at hiking, start off slow, small gear, and as your comfort level increases, then increase your gear, difficulty and altitude. I'll bet their next trip was going to be Mt. Everest. lol

[@RumMonkeyable]

Hope the couple learns about and watches TOGR channels. Thanks for the info, Luke. 👍👏❤

[@regulatorscout6288]

Great vid and explanation. Besides this channel's in-depth reviews, I'd also recommend "Ultimate Wilderness Gear" by Craig Caudill. He doesn't recommend sponsored gear but explains how and why to choose gear items.

[@MariaWelsh-lu6fg]

They WERE irresponsible. Very. This couple bit off a ridiculous amount more than what they could chew. I saw this story this morning and was like. "I wonder what the hell Luke thinks about this lol ". Thank God these two made it out alive all in recognition to search and rescue. Resources. If there's anything i have learned from watching this channel is to know your resources.

[@JPazer]

1:35 1kg of water is 1 liter. So if it's 19kg it would be 19 liters of water.

[@Spaxcore]

I think he meant to say 5 gallons

[@lokingbob]

I was about to say the same thing his math is way off

[@JPazer]

@@Spaxcore Yeah he must have. I didn't think of gallons, imperial is funny like that

[@WorldSurvivalist]

120lbs was my record I believe for a long 2 weeks out in the feild. Of course it was in the military days and I was very fit but it was no joke even then

[@Largerthanlifeadventures]

All I can say is wow. I encourage people to get out but as they say knowledge is power.