What IS Teen’s Origin? Agatha All Along Episode 5 Review and Reaction

[@mailyak442]

Saw people saying Agatha knew for sure he wasn’t her son after he could say Nicholas Scratch without the sigil stopping him

[@oliviafrancis-g7y]

Yeah and then she started to realise he’s wandas son

[@bibithebunny2628]

Ooooh

[@KWFtoday]

Good point

[@DahubX]

Nah, She actually stole Teen's notebook😅! Clearly After Rio told her that Teen is not hers, Agatha wanted to make sure and to look out for his real identity so she stole his personal notebook. And that's SIMPLY how she figured out that he's Wanda's son.

[@sarhahillsburg5142]

Maybe instead of Agatha it was Billy realizing he's not Nicholas Scratch after seeing him talking through board. Cause he seems to think he the son she missing when they tell him she wouldn't recognise him, but this rp he realized its nit him hemce door opened, but then he realized who his mother really was. Maybe destroyed sigel and got his memories of who his true mother was an then got her crown.

[@billybugentertainment]

I feel like Alice’s death was foreshadowed in some way by Lilia Cause when you combine some of Lilia’s outbursts in previous episodes you get “Alice don’t” + “try to save Agatha” So in a way, Lilia kinda saw it coming

[@Sasu123456789x1]

Oh interesting 🤔 good theory

[@steffurness]

She also states in this episode, "I didn't like this the first time around. "

[@jonnyk4669]

i didnt put that together personally but that seems very correct

[@mementomori013]

yooo thats gotta be right

[@Mezsworld]

Oh my gosh yes to this. Divination 101 ❤

[@Magusofthesoul]

The question was "whose here with us" and the board said death and Rio laughed. Because the spirit (possibly Nick Scratch) was basically calling Rio out. Which would make you wonder how he or it would know that info...

[@mickmack3]

i mean if you're a spirit that died im sure youd know who Death is after that.

[@Magusofthesoul]

Exactly. And it was revealed at the end of the trail when Billy asked "who are you"....

[@Byronic19134]

I actually think Rio herself spelled it out which is why she laughed and everybody else looked at her.

[@poko-t9s]

Them playing Billie Eilish not only because of the crown reveal but maybe also to reveal that he IS Billy.

[@MacKeydp]

100% thought this too! Billie BILLY Crown CROWN :P

[@melodramatic7904]

Ohhhhh! Never thought of that!

[@opronwin-fa8959]

This is... wow 🧠💥

[@dukeon]

Boss move

[@coribug42]

Hah!

[@226823]

Jen taking out her retainer and putting it in the case before she started in on Agatha😂😂

[@mailyak442]

YES 😂😂

[@thelostpawn]

Had she been wearing it the whole time 😆?!

[@isaiahbaggett5014]

@@thelostpawn 🎶"She was wearing it ...ALL ALONG! 🎶

[@bensenzo]

Jen is so funny. She's been doing and saying a lot of goofy things if you go back and watch, you will notice. She's actually been comic relief of this show😅😅

[@mickmack3]

just the end shot of teen staring down the camera was pretty bad ass

[@sarhahillsburg5142]

👀 maybe he can see the 4th wall like Wanda in Wandavison? Perhaps him looking at camera was him lookimg at the being incontrol of the road or the sentiment road itself.

[@Eireternal]

The way he stared at Agatha when she said the mother comment. Daggers.

[@violetnerd3139]

Also, Rio TOTALLY left that obsidian in the door because she said she wanted to “watch the Salem Seven go after her.”

[@mailyak442]

Oh 100%

[@Byronic19134]

I don’t know because she had her knife out ready to attack them and when she explained who they were she said so in disdain, also Rio wants Agatha for herself.

[@christinapfeifer4218]

My theory is Billy didn’t send Agatha in the mud himself because he knows that Agatha would have taken his powers.

[@christopherlee7366]

That's if he blasts her directly with magic but he didn't, instead he mind controlled the other two so she doesn't suck out his magic.

[@christinapfeifer4218]

@@christopherlee7366 Correct. Thats what I mean. Thanks for the clarification 😊

[@empyrealone]

Exactly

[@graphiquejack]

That’s why he possessed the others and had them hold her arms back.

[@RusTsea196T]

It's like Wanda's work-around of hitting Agatha with the car. "Absorb that!"

[@Ferretlover64]

The obsidian the Salem 7 got at the beginning is the stone Lilia put in the outline of the green witch effigy that summoned Rio… ( Lilia put down the obsidian stone, and Agatha had put down the flower. I did not see what the others put in when they were doing the conjuring, but the obsidian is Lilia’s) Teens’ sweater is covered in runes…. I believe that it is protection from magic of Agatha …she saw the runes, (( after he was able to say, Nicolas Scratch even with the sigil)) she realized that he was very similar to Wanda - she saw the runes on his sweater and is making the leap of identity. I believe when teen blasted Lilia and Jen, he was angry because they were unwilling to try anything to bring Alice back Teen and Alice had established a connection from the first trial on. They were always partnered up or talking or looking out for each other. They seem to have had each other‘s backs…. so losing her Was the most painful loss… because they seemed to truly care about each other. And the title of the episode is: DARKEST HOUR, WAKE THY POWER… losing Alice was his darkest hour on the Witches Road, which precipitated his power becoming unlocked. This was absolutely Teen’s trial not Agatha‘s or Rio’s. Also, I believe that Agatha was trying to antagonize and goad Teen into blasting her because she was definitely pushing at him, and when she saw the blue power in his hands, you could see in her face that’s what she was wanting, and she was surprised when Lilia and Jen grabbed her … she realized that he wasn’t going to blast, but he was going to use them to do what he wanted to her… which is why she was pleading to him when she was going down in the muck

[@LeaGholson-t6w]

Great recap.

[@the.scarlet.stitch]

Tell New Rockstars to hire you . Pronto

[@alexthegreat9349]

I think it’s interesting that Agatha’s mother decided to name her Agatha considering in Ancient Greek “Agatha” means “good”

[@bbusta29]

I saw someone say that the aspect ratio didn’t change when they entered the house for the trial in this episode unlike the other ones, i went back and rewatched the last two episodes and confirmed it. So maybe this could be a vision from Lilia for what could/possibly happen? Just thought that was an interesting theory

[@alannaleavitt7050]

I would love that because I don’t want Alice to actually be dead 😭

[@asia3882]

I also think she didn't finish her trial cuz the episode was too short and everyone was acting out of character from what we saw in the last 4 episodes. We already established that the group didn't like or trust Agatha but they all wanted to finish the road. I honestly think this is Agatha's biggest fear, hurting her coven/family and them turning on her again

[@isagrimorie9877]

Also, when they left the trial they went UP and not DOWN -- all exits have been DOWN and not UP. So I think something is wrong here.

[@mailyak442]

If you don’t want IMDb spoilers don’t read…. but Alice is in 8 episodes (and wasn’t in Ep 1) soooo 👀👀

[@fazelok]

would be. especially since we havent seen her trial, btu she has visions and stuff - could follow her as she wakes up - and KNOWS what teen will do, and is capable of - as she tries to stay quiet lol.

[@linomares9846]

I think Teen placed the sigil on himself, knowing he wouldn't remember doing so because of the sigil's side-effect of also working on the witch who placed it. He wanted to protect himself against witchfolk (or just Agatha) until he no longer needed to be protected by it. That moment being Awakening/Receiving his Magic and being able to protect himself. The same thing he told Agatha he was missing and was trying to look for in episode 1, when he was trying to convince her to take him to the "Road." "The Road will give you what you want most. I have knowledge; what I need is Power." - Teen

[@sarhahillsburg5142]

Question is does he need the power to bring back his mom, or is he maybe going to look for his twin? Is there potential that he's already seen white Vision with his twin, but knows he needs more power before confronting them? (In comics have heard Vision makes a fake wanda and kids after losing his family.

[@linomares9846]

@sarhahillsburg5142 that I don't know.I feel like this is just the first step in whatever he is planning on doing. I noticed they haven't brought up the phone call he got from his boyfriend in episode 2 either. Maybe it's Hulkling trying to convince him not to go through with his plan, or he's just calling to check up on him, making sure the plan is going well

[@Kona-fg8zd]

I think Teen/Billy has been using “Agatha all along” to Bring back his Mother(Wanda) whether that means Agatha dies in the end as a sacrifice or what idk

[@linomares9846]

@Kona-fg8zd i don't see that happening this early, but still a possibility. Also, nice play on words 😂

[@the.scarlet.stitch]

“Power isn’t your problem- it’s knowledge “. Isn’t that what Agatha says to Wanda 😮

[@reptilusreptosis6275]

I think Agatha's power drain isn't something she can control but is some sort of reflex action- if she is hit with magic she drinks it up; perhaps it is some protection spell her mother botched or, linked to chaos magic. When she tells Wanda she takes power from the "unworthy" it may just be her narrative to cope with it- she definitely gets a massive rush from it, so she detaches herself from any sense of guilt for it. If they didn't want to die they shouldn't try to mess with her, she didn't break their rules, they just bent to her power.

[@King_Gluttony]

I think it is a kind of natural power to her as a witch, in the same way that Lilla is naturally Clairvoyant. That came from the part of her mother saying she was born evil. Later, she justifies it as "taking power from the unworthy," as witches keep coming after her even when she leaves them alone. Considering how rare it was for a witch to blast her without the intention to harm, she may have stopped trying to learn how to control it, making it both her offense and defense.

[@wxywawjy626]

I think that you are right!

[@lamdachi225]

I was thinking it’s related to having come in contact with the darkhold. Black magic always corrupts the user in ways they can’t control.

[@Cellardoor_]

I think the implication is she was born with the draining powers and was therefore deemed as evil even before she could control it, therefore she was never taught control. Bringing up the morality issue of is it Agatha's fault that she was never taught control because she was ostracized for things outside of her control? Her mom basically turned her evil by treating her as such instead of giving her a chance.

[@Sasu123456789x1]

​@@Cellardoor_ I was thinking the same thing, yes!

[@linomares9846]

I still hope the witches that died can come back at the end of the road. I like the idea of them forming their own non-conventional coven and earning their powers/magic back. With or without Agatha leading the coven is fine. She is a villain, after all. I also like how after Teen says Nicholas' name, and Agatha hears him say it, she figures out that 1) He's not her son because if he was, the Sigil wouldn't have allowed her to hear Teen to say his name and 2) by deductive reasoning, she realizes who his mother is therefore guessing his identity without being told. A call back to the end of the last episode where Agatha tells Teen that, " you don't have to know a person's name to know who they are."

[@gwarfreeq]

I think once she had a little power again, she could sense and recognize his powers as coming from Wanda.

[@Byronic19134]

@@gwarfreeqNo I think she knew it was either Billy or Nicholas from beginning and when Rio said something she worked out that maybe Teen and Rio are in it together. Plus she said you don’t need to know a name to know who the person is, and Teen does act like Wanda in the way they can be very hypocritical about their actions which is why she decided to call him out at that moment because he is literally on the road for power as well that’s what he wanted from very beginning when he broke into her house while Rio was there.

[@Herksil]

Based on what we've seen so far, I would assemble all of this into the following theory I would like to share with you: Context: Episode 1: Rio: "You can't kill me." / Agatha: "You can't kill me! It's not allowed!" / Rio: "Maybe I can't kill you, but I can make you wish you were dead." Episode 3: Agatha clearly tries to escape the house and avoid drinking the wine. She is afraid of death. Episode 5: There is a ghost of her mother who wants to torment her for eternity in the afterlife and a "You were born evil" statement. This could mean that Agatha knew her mother existed as a ghost, waiting for her in the afterlife. Their relationship in the past was clearly not good. She was so afraid of meeting her mother in the afterlife that it eventually transformed into her fear of death itself. This fear might have led her to make a pact with Mephisto (or Death, or perhaps even both), gaining invincibility, immortality, and a guarantee that neither Mephisto nor Death would be able to kill her (which could explain why Rio is not allowed to kill Agatha). I believe the price for this pact might have been the life of an innocent (or a newborn). Agatha may not have been told the specifics of the deal, so she could have thought it would involve someone else's child. However, it turned out that her own child became that sacrifice. According to how things seem to work, Rio took her son's body, and Mephisto took his soul-possibly in exchange for Agatha's own soul. This situation could explain the complex set of problems Agatha is trying to solve. She might be draining the powers of other witches to become strong enough either to break the pact with Mephisto or to conquer both Death and Mephisto in order to get her son's body and soul back. She needs to be strong enough because if she die, her mother she can't reason with will torment her for things she have done. And I think the series finale will feature a battle against Rio as the embodiment of Death, fighting for the right to possess at least Agatha's son's body. The only unresolved question is about the fathers. Who is Agatha's father? Who is Nicolas's father? Could it be that Agatha's mother wanted a child so desperately that she also made a pact with Mephisto to become pregnant? If so, she would have known that Agatha's birth was no coincidence, which might explain her saying, "You were born evil," in Episode 5. If you are here - Thank you!

[@flormonet]

Dang this is great! Remind me to come back to this at the end of the season haha

[@mailyak442]

Interestingggg

[@Byronic19134]

I think it’s simpler in that Rio is death Avatar so she is there to collect but is not allowed to actually kill.

[@LeaGholson-t6w]

Interesting

[@Andy_0017]

That is interesting but a bit contradictory. If Agatha actually was invincible why would she ever fear for her life? I think that Rio as a collector of dead souls probably is prohibited from actually killing anyone herself. But she still wants someone to kill Agatha because then they would be together forever. You can see how clearly upset she is at the thought of them leaving agatha to be haunted by her mother on the road. Because then she wouldn't actually be able to collect Agatha's soul. I do however think that the reason Agatha is so powerhungry is because she wants Nicholas back (and also because she is hated by most of witchkind and needs to feel protected). Fun fact, in Wandavision, when the twins tell Wanda to bring Sparky back from the dead, you can see Agatha break character and ask "Can you do that??" She seemed geniunely shocked and in awe, almost like the answer she had always been looking for fell on her lap. My two working theories are either that she got the darkhold unknowingly that she had traded nicholas' soul for it, or that maybe she accidentally killed him by draining his powers. It would really help explain why Evanora is so convinved in her hatred of her own daughter. I'm staring to think that Agatha was born with her draining abilities, which would make sense of the 'you were born evil' that Evanora tells her. She is essentially cannibalizing on her own kind, and to me it kind of feels like a sad story of everyone seeing her as a monster, so she had to become the monster that everyone thought she was in order to survive

[@HGPrime]

I think the only thing Lilia has said from the future that hasn't been resolved is, "Am I wispy or am I kooky?" but will probably be resolved in the next episode. I think this episode solved "Alice. Alice don't try to save Agatha." I think when she yelled "Get off me!" was a reference to her being branded with the demon during Alice's trial. When she screamed the first time Agatha went to go see her, that was her experiencing the voices from the ouija board in this episode. And the "I love you guys" from the first matches up with the 4th episode when they were bonding around the campfire. I just wonder if we'll ever see what it was Agatha did to make her mother try to kill her back in Salem, and maybe part of Agatha's real trial (because I don't think this was her true trial) will be to face it but also free the Salem Seven from their years of torment their need for revenge has brought them.

[@najtrows]

She said "I hated this the first time" in the latest episode too. I bet that was a premonition of something.. maybe they are going to go through the same trial again. The aspect ratio never "let go" after this one.

[@claytongriffith8323]

I think that Teen is way more of a player than we think. I think subconsciously, he has been causing and manipulating a lot of the stuff around here. I think that he put the sigil on himself, which limits his memory and powers but purposefully to as a means to get in the coven and test them (I also think this relates to him pushing them to practical magic). I do think his spellbook will be the new Darkhold, and this relates to him as a Demiurge who rewrites how magic works. Him instigating a lot of the trails and giving information is from part of him having this longing to finish the road. I always assumed the "I didn't think you had it in you" was to him as Agatha was putting together who he is

[@alexandragreen7990]

Hard agree that teen put the sigil on himself.

[@Byronic19134]

Exactly because Agatha said “I didn’t think you had it in you” because she realized that Billy murdered Sharon as a way to get Rio on the road. That’s why when Rio told her he’s not your’s it confirmed to Agatha who he was. It’s also why she finally called him out when he said not him he’s not about that life.

[@VictoriaCoker]

I think its Teen's trial. Teen is named teen its a sleep over which is for teens. This is the first trial he was really able to participate in. He gains his powers at the end and is faced with Agatha who seems almost comic like book evil at the end and he is faced with dealing with his idol failing him.

[@Byronic19134]

It was absolutely Agatha trial, it was a Blood Moon and her freaking mom appeared.

[@naomijdv23]

Could it be a shared trial? Agatha and Teen"s? Just spitballing here

[@VictoriaCoker]

@@naomijdv23 we will definitely see next week!

[@giuliasodano3607]

I think it was Teen’s trial. Rio suggested it was Agatha’s because for her it meant that Teen’s real identity would be revealed not to be her son but Wanda’s (red moon, scarlet witch foreshadowing ?) and that she’d have to accept to let her real son go (say BYE on the ouija board), who’s dead probably because of her. In that same exact moment is when the exit appeared. Maybe at the same time Teen also had the realization that Agatha was not his mother, whom he was desperately looking for, but it was Nicholas’s, calling for his mom from the underworld (blood moon is when the living and the dead realms are the closest). And maybe he knew that his mom had to be a witch but he never actually met her and he wanted to walk the witches road to find answers about her identity while mistakenly thinking he’d found her in Agatha. Some of the details that could confirm my theory are - blood moon = moon is in a total eclipse that also means that spiritual growth is most likely to occur and time to work out magical energies; - Knight of wands tarot card, mentioned by Lilia before Teen confronts Agatha means to unleash your inner power to take on challenges and to unleash your heroic and daring energy (wake thy power) Who comes out of this trial changed for the better ? Teen over Agatha (I think she actually just regressed in her personal journey=darkest hour)

[@jaydinz.7148]

this ate

[@dvdchan90]

I thought Billie didn't use his powers on Agatha because then Agatha would be able to steal his power

[@mailyak442]

Yeah (and it’s Billy hehe not like Billie Eilish (tho that was a slay needle drop))

[@IceCold_Carter]

I’m certain that he(Billy) is Wanda’s son but his soul was put into a teen that died in a car crash. That’s what the Eastview Easter egg is about in the end credits….he also mentioned he’s from Eastview… coincidence? I think not

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

That's what happened in the comics I think. Billy Kaplan would've died in a car crash but the he 'survived' because another soul (which is Maximoff) inhabits his body.

[@twincast2005]

Yeah. Things clearly point in that direction. And I hate it. Sure, possessing dead bodies is more conventional than manipulating reality and time to have them reincarnate in the past, but the comic book history really isn't as complicated as people make it out to be if you remove the preceding multiple retcons of where Wanda got the soul pieces for her twins from. Also, it contradicts WandaVision's final scene. And the flagrant disrespect that Jeff and Rebbecca Kaplan have been suffering in the comics pales in comparison to the MCU just killing them off.

[@toddhenry898]

I agree. When the hex was destroyed and the boys went away they went into the bodies of the car crash teens. Everything inside the hex was just changed the only things created from Wanda’s magic and the mind stone were Vision, Billy, and Tommy. Vision went into White Vision so it makes since that they also went somewhere

[@toddhenry898]

That’s also why the game was for ages 3 and above

[@Andy_0017]

Also interesting to point out is that when he says 'If being a witch means killing people for your gain then I don't want it, that's not me" Agatha responds with "Are you sure?". Almost like she's insinuating that he has in fact killed before. If Billy really is possesing the body of another, then he did essentially "kill" whoever it was that the body belongs to.

[@lyssophobia88]

Agatha asked who is with us tonight, not who were they talking to when the board spelled death. You gotta be direct or you can get a trick answer. Agatha reminds me of Rogue in the X-men movies with her powers too

[@angelicagolindano_art]

I thought of Rogue, too!

[@francisterrado1165]

34:15 - I think when they said "amateurish," they meant the use of sigils is considered basic and clumsy, as in the technique itself is something you learn early on which you use less and less as you gain access to and learn other spells and methods to conceal information. So i took it as the technique itself is rudimentary, not the execution

[@EJAYTheBHB]

40:42 - I don't know if this was said already. I think the reason why he (TEEN) used the other witches to grab Agatha is because if he would have used his power to do it would have been absorbed like before. right?

[@mailyak442]

Yes exactly

[@mailyak442]

And Agatha looks smug when his hands start sparking like she wants to take his power

[@FWbaracuss]

I dont think Agatha can control taking Alice's power in that moment. It seemed like she was a bit out of it after her mother's spirit left her body. JMO

[@stickskywalker7365]

also she would've turned it off when wanda overloaded her if she could control ingeneral its almost like a auto defense type thing

[@Tony-Ravens45]

I had to rewatch the scene few times definitely agatha was winded or out of it after her mom left her body

[@jackiesliterarycorner]

I think when people tell her she's evil, Agatha's like "you want an Evil Witch, I'll give you an Evil Witch!"

[@mannybearsantos]

What if Agatha accidentally killed Nicholas by absorbing his power and being unable to stop it?

[@alannaleavitt7050]

That would be heartbreaking but kinda makes sense if she’s telling the truth about not being able to control the power absorption

[@lesliebohn627]

I think this is what happened & her traveling the Witches' Road previously &/or getting the Darkhold was for the purpose of trying to bring her son back.

[@stickskywalker7365]

honestly I think so and that's why rio said she had to do her job and that drove her love away cause she had to take Nicholas scratch to the afterlife

[@johnruppert7639]

And why she wanted to know how Wanda did it at the end of Wandavision (bringing back vision and creating life)

[@mannybearsantos]

I also think that is why the trial ended once she heard his name. If the intent of the trial was to punish her, how much of a bigger punishment than having to remember the son you killed saying “stop mamma”?

[@BrentStewart]

Another theory. This one based on the notion that Agatha can't control that power. I think she accidentally used it on her son and it killed him. But it was an accident because she couldn't control it. And everyone thinks she did it on purpose. So she went to the witches road the first tome for either the darkhold or a way to control her power. but the darkhold corrupts her like it did wanda and made her power hungry.

[@carnie_chris]

Eric out here showing his age with creepy crawler incredible edibles while also giving me flash backs to my childhood. I see you Eric! Even though the joke went right over everyone’s heads.

[@TimDaco]

OMG THIS EPSIODE WAS AMAZING!!!!!! Definitely My Favorite Episode So Far. R.I.P. Alice. That Ending was INSANE!!! I'm So Happy They Finally Confirmed Teen is Wiccan!!! This Show just keeps getting Better and Better!!! I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE!!!!!!

[@Magusofthesoul]

It always bothered me that they didn't actually show the boys disappearing the way they did Vision. Billy knew he had magical powers by the end of WandaVision what if he did a spell before the hex dropped to ensure he and Tommy would be okay.

[@CathyY72]

Agatha put the sigil on Billy in Episode 7 of WandaVision because she knew he could sense her powers. She can’t control her powers, and may actually have accidentally killed her son Nicholas with them. But, because no one believes she has no control over them, she’s been called evil her entire life. She doesn’t want to harm Billy, because he reminds her of her own son, so puts the sigil on him to protect him from herself. Agatha was shocked when she heard that Wanda might actually be able to bring someone back from the dead, which is why she wanted Wanda’s powers to bring her own son back. She’s not really evil, she’s just a grieving mother who has been called evil so often by her own mother, and others, that she’s convinced herself that maybe she is evil. Kick a dog often enough and they will turn on you. Billy’s soul was reincarnated into Billy Kaplan’s body when the boy died in a car accident. Not sure if the accident took place just after the Hex collapsed as everyone keeps pointing out the date on the newspaper clipping in the credits (which I can’t read, the print is too small,) or if it is the accident that occurred ‘an hour before the time of death,’ as mentioned by Agatha in episode one. If it is the one an hour before the time of death, then that could explain Rio showing up in Agatha’s altered reality. She’s there to claim the victim (Billy Kaplan,) but senses Agatha nearby, and goes to investigate. Billy is actually in a coma, and somehow his powers took control of the spell on Agatha after Wanda ‘dies,’ (also, this would be a literal interpretation of Billy ‘breaking and entering’ into Agatha’s mind, which she interprets as him breaking and entering into her home.) and he is the one controlling her visions now, and that is why the road seems so connected to him. He claims it is exactly how he pictured it, and Agatha says it suits him. He also seems to be the one who triggers all of the trials. He needs Agatha to help him on the road to free himself from his coma.

[@LeaGholson-t6w]

Interesting take.

[@anusree8221]

I love the fact that MCU's series line up started with Wandavision, which introduced Billy Maximoff and now Agatha All Along, the first show to release under Marvel Television is reintroducing Billy to us.

[@steveoconnivo9666]

Okay. Heres my take on the episode. I believe it was teens trial, he was finally accepted as a member of the coven when he got to fly. And i believe that him being able to say Nicholas Scratch opened Agatha fully to the realization that teen isnt her son. With that bogging her down she was unable to tell who teen was. Also i think alice breaking her family curse also affected her moms protection spell and thats why she was able to get sucked off by agatha. (I know what i said.)

[@vincentclark5853]

I think Billy was hiding his power. One, there wasn't a moment of realization that he suddenly got his powers back (i.e. like Alice did when she went all in to protect Agatha). He simply went straight to taking control of the other two witches and kicking all three off them off the road. I don't think his intentions here are evil or malicious--since he was fond of Alice and triggered by her death, he removed the others so that Agatha wouldn't eventually kill them further down the road. As for why he is taking the road at all, I assume it is to get his brother and/or mother back.

[@themaniacmitch]

Lets go!!!! Missed the livestream and have been waiting all day for this to drop lol

[@alexandragreen7990]

I think this episode felt rushed for two reasons: it being significantly shorter, and also we didn’t focus on the coven entering and leaving the house the way they did the last two trials. We were basically throwing and out of the trial that added a bit of whiplash, but I think this will have a purpose in future eps

[@deoneken]

I think he didn’t touch Agatha with magic because she would’ve stole it 23:40

[@RedStorm16]

I think the reason Teen didn't blast Agatha directly is because he (or Wanda "controlling" him) knew Agatha would just absorb his powers just like Wanda saw Agatha do in WandaVision.

[@AlexGatsby]

Yes Jessica! Trial was to punish Agatha by confronting her with her mother and dead son

[@Loss.onetoday]

Agatha got her power and Rio got her body

[@GuySuperStar81]

I'm over my head in an Obsession Spell called Agatha All Along... and I love it! Episode 5 was fantastic! The character shift in Agatha and Teen was portrayed brilliantly! The acting was delicious! I love Joe in Heartstopper but to be honest I wasn't sure if he could take on an MCU role... I'm THRILLED to be so wrong! And they way Kathryn's vicious tone dropped in, AMAZING! This is the acting that I've been missing! The cast came to work from head to toe!

[@DRAGON_NINJA]

I needed a minute after this episode😮‍💨

[@oliviafrancis-g7y]

I am still in shock.

[@brodie112]

Another thing that makes me believe this wasn’t a real episode is should Alice really have died? It was stated that her mother’s song is a protection spell and someone is singing it at all times. That should have negated Agatha’s absorption ability because Alice needed saving/procection??

[@Stephanie-ky4fn]

I dont know for sure but I had thought the protection spell only worked on the family curse she had so that that curse couldn't kill her. So I didnt think it would work for any other form of harm to her and think she could still die from any other cause. But still do agree the episode wasn't completely real just based on how the trial was and the end of the episode.

[@atla97]

My jaw was on the floor at the end. I'm so excited 🎉

[@empyrealone]

Billy couldn't throw Agatha into the mud, he can't use powers against her, she would take them. He used the other witches to drag her to the mud to not use his powers on her. And then he very much intentionally threw the other two into the mud. He can use his powers on them.

[@tiatucker4432]

I agree with Jessica Clemons when she said that she believes that episode five was not really Agatha‘s trial, but Rio’s trial because if Rio is death the living embodiment of death, then she would be the one who is closest to the living and and the dead since the blood moon represents when the veil between the living and the dead is at its thinnest. also, Rico is the one who points out that it is Agatha’s trial and then says who better yet than the person who’s put most people in their grave so nobody else has a comment other than Rio enforcing this trial to be Agatha’s. Jessica Clemmings also talks about how Rio’s biggest fear concerns Agatha because she loves Agatha and Agatha is her scar. The two episodes we’ve seen Rio in, she has been embracing all the chaos from the trial starting to the curse of Alice trial to the point where Agatha takes her hands off the Ouija board in this most recent episode and Rio gets up and presents herself as ready to go and ready to start whatever is happening while everybody else is freaked out. This episode there is one brief moment where Rio was strangely serious unlike the rest of this episode and the previous episode and that moment is when she says “I hate ghost”. After Agatha’s mom says that Agatha must stay with her Rio refuses despite the many times of wanting to kill Agatha. when Rio refuses and says something along the lines of “her mother can’t have her” the ghost of Agatha’s mom gets closer to the group and specifically Rio and that is the one time that we see Rio kind of back up during the two trials she has been in then Agatha takes the attention off of Rio and put it on her self by saying mom.

[@Byronic19134]

It was Agatha trial, the leaves and roots were purple, and it involved her son and mother, like why are people even questioning this?

[@theSoc1alScientist]

Just gonna say that Teen has definitely been fooling all of them! I believe that he's always had powers and I, also, believe that he placed the sigil on himself to 1) protect himself from 'witch folk' because if he didn't & chose to lie, they've all lived for centuries combined and would be able to figure out who he was & 2) he knows EXACTLY what he's searching for on the road (possibly Wanda or his brother or both?) and very well knows that he couldn't accomplish it all by himself. There's, also, the possibility that the 'road' we're seeing has all been conjured by him and that he's heavily manipulating everything (him always being the one to find the clues is a bit of an eyebrow raiser). I'll even take it all the way back to episode 2 and point out that the door to the road that appears when they summon it, mysteriously has a blue aura, matching that of his own powers. Also, him being the first person to run down the opening, almost as if he'd been there before. He's certainly stronger than what he's made them believe, that's for sure.

[@flormonet]

Was the tree slide blue once before turning orange or no?

[@MotherTuck]

i don’t think it’s a coincidence Wanda’s body and the car crash in Eastview happened at the same time 🤔

[@r8jOut]

Maybe Rio came to collect and ferried Billies soul into the freshly deceased teen

[@Byronic19134]

@@r8jOutYup which is why Teen broke in while Rio was visiting Agatha, and also Teen probably killed Sharon to use the summoning spell to get Rio on the road. I think they are working together.

[@trevonjensen3986]

Identifying as Death I think was just evenora being dramatic - and why Rio laughs so hard since she may end up being death.

[@Tartharus]

Aspect ratio did not change during the "trial."

[@violetnerd3139]

This wasn’t a true trial. I think Rio set this up. IMHO

[@joshuajordan2562]

36:00 Teen is the villain. For instance, he was able to do the spell to help Agatha break out. He never said he tried to get break Agatha out, he said he did get Agatha out. He’s been able to do magic all this time. When Jen brought up agents of Mephisto, he was noticeably upset. And when Agatha said he was just like his mother, he was not surprised, he was angry!! I think he’s always know what/who he is. So he’s either the villain himself or associated with the villain.

[@Girl2TheCity]

I have an Agatha theory ❤: She accidentally killed her son by absorbing his powers. Originally sought out the power of the Darkhold to bring him back to life But instead she killed her mother and coven instead and got corrupted By the DarkHolds influence .

[@Byronic19134]

We saw how she killed her coven and mother, it was her own mother trying to execute her and she tried warning them she can’t control it and don’t do it, yet they all blasted her and she absorbed all their powers killing them in process.

[@BillJargowsky]

Wiccan tossed everyone into the mud to save them from the Salem Seven. Wiccan v. SS episode next week.

[@hezzybaby]

Jennifer implied that Agatha sacrificed Nicholas for the Darkhold but I'm wondering if Agatha didn't know that Nicholas would be the price paid for the book.

[@dds4eva25]

The crown resembled Agatha’s mother’s crown

[@SethRGray]

Y'all, the leaves were purple. It really was the Spirit trial.

[@brodie112]

I may be wrong but I don’t believe this episode was real. I believe either teen or Lila had a vision of what’s to come if they continue with Agatha

[@georgehunt7187]

Amazing episode, all the Agatha chat has made me wonder if you'll do another assembled video.... for a coven to walk the road!!! ❤

[@samuelballard3467]

Im convinced this was teens trial considering 1. He learned something about himself and the coven 2. He gained his powers/revealed them 3. His spell book was gone

[@angellsowash6638]

I think everything we've witnessed wasn't even a trial it was still Lily's vision and they were still sleeping on the road

[@DRossGaming]

I think this takes us back to the shortcuts discussion we were having a few episodes ago. Agatha hasn't wanted to walk the road the whole time but it's because she doesnt wanna put the work in. She wants the shortcut and in her mind taking Alice's power was a no brainer and shes probably done it so many times before its become second nature at this point. She got her shortcut but technically the trial was passed. I think the road knows this and that's why the orange glow in her hand faded into a poof of smoke at the end. It's the road telling her "nice try, but you gotta finish the road with no shortcuts."

[@heidelward905]

so I think it's interesting how Wanda Vision was really a show about grief. Clearly Agatha has lost her son, he is dead. Rio is lady death, and probably was tasked with the reap. Anyway, does anyone remember when the dog died and one of the boys wanted Wanda to bring the dog bag to life, and Agathatasked in probably the most sincere voice in the whole show (before the reveal) if Wanda could really do that..... Agatha is trying to get her son back. I think that's why she went looking for Wanda in the first place. Drawn to the grief

[@Redlite0_0]

Agatha's power being communing with the dead makes so much sense

[@nailsbystephanie0826]

Maybe Rio stayed behind to bring Alice back because Jen & Lilia wouldn't? She's Death, but she's also a Green Witch. THE Green Witch. And if she's trying to save Agatha to repair their relationship, then maybe a way to do that would be to stop her from taking another life.

[@Cellardoor_]

I can't believe they did my girl Alice like that!!! I hope she gets brought back somehow whether Rio brings her back or Agatha or she's just alive outside of the road like she needs to come back. Damn. Tragic and abrupt death. Not fair!

[@lesliebohn627]

The actress did such a good job in the scene with Evanora. It was like you could see on her face her making a comparison between her own mother's powerful love for her & Evanora's hatred for Agatha. When she began to use her powers, she looked so strong and like there was a physical component to the magic, not just special effects.

[@Just2BBlunt215]

"When you get blasted, you suck. I think we all can relate to that." 😂

[@DahubX]

Agatha STOLE TEEN'S NOTEBOOK. After Rio told her that he's not her son, The desperate & nosey Agatha that we all know definitely wanted to make sure and to look out for Teen's real identity, so she stole his personal notebook. And that's simply how she figured out that Teen is Wanda's son! They didn't make Teen literally shouting it out clearly & loudly from the very start of the episode that he lost his personal notebook FOR NOTHING!!

[@graphiquejack]

That’s a good theory, especially since Agatha tried to brush it off like it was no big deal he lost it.

[@jaydinz.7148]

yes!!

[@Jonkuns]

I think the reason they made him say that line was because he was unable to find a spell to save Alice later

[@ijchua]

Who knows, the Teen's spellbook might be a reincarnation of the Darkhold

[@spacemonkeymafia4756]

Honestly, I think teen was just fed up with all the witches. When he confronted Agatha, Jen made that comment that pretty much pushed him over that edge.

[@mailyak442]

35:12 WAIT the sigil works on the caster too right? MAYBE Billy (Wiccan) cast it and then didn’t know who he was (the Wanda’s son part) until something happened this episode to break it and that’s why his powers came back

[@larkin2662]

I want to know why Evanora Harkness believed her daughter has been evil since birth. What gave her that conclusion? Is her father evil? We don't know who her father is. Could her he be a big bad? Agatha told Rio in episode 1 it was 'not allowed' for her to kill her. Does that have anything to do with whose daughter is she?

[@monceeherrera-rizo2371]

Ohhh this is interesting

[@cthesuperior]

I love the random Austin butler impersonations 😂

[@DanBellinger2371]

They should be a feature every episode.

[@stephenfeuerstein7152]

I think Billy threw Lilia and Jen into the mud because he was upset by how quickly they "moved on" from Alice. Alice was the friendliest towards him. Her death really affected him. So Jen saying that she's there for power and Lilia just offering "death comes for us all" and they just kept going, not even 5min after her death........I think that pushed him over the edge and he didn't want to be apart of this coven. The other 2 trials he made comments/actions to be apart of the coven (offering to drink the wine, and asking "does this make me apart of the coven?" when the curse went after him) He was maybe hoping for a found family and now he's angry when these witches aren't as good as he thought

[@lesliebohn627]

Definitely Billy's trial. If he is in fact, a soul conjured up by his mother & now possessing the body of a dead boy, he's the one straddling life & death.

[@BrentStewart]

Massive theory here. What if the Darkhold was kind of like the MCU's version of a Horcrux for Mephisto and his soul was fragmented across the multiverse and why those read it were able to dreamwalk into other universes. Wanda's kids could have been part of the 616 Darkhold. And when Wanda destroys all of the Darkholds in every universe it frees the pieces of Mephisto's soul and the part that was the kids took the body of others that were dying like the kids who died two years prior in the car accident mentioned in episode 1. And the reason we haven't seen Mephisto yet in the MCU is because he was trapped in the Darkholds. Remember in WandaVision when Dottie says "the Devil is in the details" and Agnes replies with "that's not all he's in" maybe she meant the Darkhold.

[@TheWiggyStardust]

I asked my wife "Who the heck is Mr. Shart?!"

[@parkerinman]

if this series does it end with end of the road by Boyz II Men… I’m going to cry. Because everything in that song would be absolutely perfect.

[@claytongriffith8323]

I think Agatha's power is a reflex but she could stop it, like she doesn’t have to sap it all.

[@MrJamesdudney]

The child's voice sounded older than a baby. What if it was an echo of young Billy talking to Wanda rather than Nicholas Scratch? This would confirm his identity to Agatha and mark the awakening of his powers.

[@stealthborn9446]

I think teen throws them into the mud to protect them from the seven because of what Agatha said " that they're all doing this for selfish reasons"

[@garypeterson63]

What if Nicholas died before the coven tried to kill Agatha. And the dark magic she was using was her trying to resurrect him. And when Agatha the darkhold she got caught up in its power just like Wanda did. Maybe her whole thing since Salem has been her trying to get him back

[@deanhay4974]

Maybe not because billy just saw Agatha steal powers after being hit so he had to use a physical way of getting her in the mud so she couldn’t get any of his power, but the other two couldn’t so he blasted them.

[@joeyb82mcoc80]

I think the reason Billy didn’t use his powers directly on Agatha was so she couldn’t steal them. He used his powers on Jennifer and Lilia to then physically throw Agatha off the road. There’s no danger for him using his powers on Jennifer or Lilia, but it could definitely get dicey with Agatha.

[@AfterX1]

I say the episode's title matters most to whom gets their power.... "In darkest hour..." who had the darkest hour? Teen's bestie just died beCAUSE of Agatha, and now HE finally sees her true self...

[@FWbaracuss]

Agatha is the one of the most layered characters I've ever seen. Absolutely brilliant writing and acting.

[@cosmicriptid]

Rio's face when the spirit claims they are death is so funny to me.

[@lizathelion5256]

i like the theory that all along agatha has been trying to get nicholas back. it would explain why in wandavision she was so invested in the “how” wanda created the town & her family. she asked her multiple times how she did it. maybe agatha tried the road before, failed, went through wandavision, and is now wanting again to get to the end of the road to bring nicholas back. she brought the other witches along with the intention of stealing their power along the way so that wasn’t what she was expecting to gain at the end of the road. she and teen have that in common. billy wants wanda back, agatha wants nicholas back, and they’re both willing to sacrifice the team to get what they want.

[@karlotty]

Agatha has protection magic from Alice, pretty sure that's how she survives the mud.

[@dariousharris5083]

Anybody else feel like they don’t want us to forget Mrs Hart ?? Could she come back ??

[@JuNiOr-pd9ml]

I'm pretty sure they all had powers at the start besides Agatha and Jen. In the second episode Agatha purposely tries to get them to blast her so she can take their magic. It seems like everyone thinks they all are powerless when that's been shown not to be true.

[@cjweeks9392]

I overwhelmingly disagree with Eric’s theory of Wanda actually being dead

[@francisterrado1165]

39:39 - Let's not forget that Agatha has been put through the wringer emotionally in this episode (with evanora, nicholas, and yes, Alice) so we have to remember what do traumatised people do in those kinds of situations? They revert to habit and the defenses go back up; in this case, Agatha as the all-about-me, i-don't-care-about-anyone bish.

[@battleforbeauty]

I love how we always somehow manage to sneak Elvis into every break room episode 😂 OH MAMA

[@tiatucker4432]

also, in the first and second trial, multiple people of the coven are affected by these curses for instance in Jennifer’s trial, everyone drink the wine except for the teen of course and everyone was poisoned. In Alice trial the generational curse attacked Lilia Jennifer, and Agatha which are other members of the coven. In this trial, the only one affected by the trial is Agatha and we know Rio does not care about these other women. She is ready for them to die so she can get their bodies. so for every trial to affect the entirety of the coven, but this one is suspicious again, considering the fact that Agatha was the only one targeted in this trial and Agatha is the only one in this cabin who Rio really cares about.

[@rayalexander3734]

Wanda power is spontaneous creation that’s the power of her chaos magic. She undid the hex but she created beings , so the souls are real they found new bodies one being that Billy Kaplan when he had that accident three years ago .

[@salmanfarruz]

Where is Tommy's soul?

[@DarthTingleBinks]

If Rio is Death, then Agatha still has more bodies than her, because Death doesn't seem to be able to kill people, judging by Agatha's line in the second episode, "It's not allowed."

[@KingOfMadCows]

I think Agatha would have already reached Nicholas Scratch's spirit if she wanted to. She's been around for centuries, that's plenty of time for her to do a seance. I think something is preventing her from communicating with Scratch's spirit. Either he is at peace and doesn't want to return or someone like Mephisto has his soul.

[@Byronic19134]

You said she could if she wanted too then go on to say something is blocking her from doing it. It can’t be both.

[@jiffypoo5029]

Agatha is calling Billy on his BS; Billy Maximoff stole a corpse. I think they are simplifying the reincarnation of Billy and Tommy, when Wanda dropped the Hex their souls found compatible fresh corpses. Teen died in a car accident 3 years ago, Billy has been living a normal life and trying to find his brother.

[@samanthamaclean1430]

Good theory, but I really don’t think Billy is an undead corpse that took over a dead body I think that the original person died in Billy soul just took it over

[@jiffypoo5029]

@@samanthamaclean1430 yeah, I don't think he's undead. Billy Kaplan died, Billy Maximoff took the body and his power revived it.

[@sundager8735]

Has it ever occurred to you that they’re all locked up in a facility and Billy is projecting, in the trailers you see Agatha and scrub tops and Billy like in a insane asylum or facility, just throwing it out there

[@alannaleavitt7050]

I feel like that’s too similar to Moon Knight but definitely a possibility