Brewmaster Monk - Shadowlands: Quick Look

[@Renemu]

Just curious what is up with the video stutter in these quick looks ? (well at least the audio is fine)

[@theheadone]

I'm guessing he needs to upgrade his computer, it's only on preach's gameplay sections. It struggles to video capture and play the game at the same time.

[@DigaDilson]

The gameplay is not recorded by him.

[@Xfacta12482]

@@DigaDilson From my understanding its Preach and his buddy filming the classes, so half the footage is him.

[@thequacklemtduck]

@@DigaDilson From the character name, i'm guessing it's Preach who recorded this gameplay

[@Boxkar24]

Said it before and I'll say it again, lol. If you watch his other videos you will notice the stutter only happens in that one area of the dungeon, I *believe* it's because of a broken spell effect present in that room. There's literally no stutter anywhere else in any of the videos.

[@wassabeh3933]

As someone who played brewmaster since they came out, I’m really happy to hear some of the things you said in here. I really miss being able to throw something to get aggro from afar. I personally think the shuffle/block shield was way more consistent and fun to play than how it is right now, and I’m really happy to have clash back. There just something about the fantasy charging in drunk that I’m in love with.

[@HeroGuy3]

As baffling as it sounds new shuffle is miles better than ironskin brew on live. Isb is just a plate that you have to keep spinning by pressing the button every 7 seconds with no thought required, it used to be (and might still be the case on live) a major increase in ehrps if you dropped isb, even if it was to clear a big stagger The change represents a major reduction in skill floor without effecting skill cap in the slightest. But yes, I would still like something better

[@Spyger9]

What would be better is having Chi back. So you could choose between spending Chi on Shuffle duration, active mitigation, or extra damage. (Blackout Kick, Celestial Brew, and Breath of Fire as respective examples)

[@SadGinseng]

I tried brewmaster for the first time and o hated pressing brew every tot seconds so much that I completely abandoned the idea of tanking. Being forced to waste a gcd for something that could be a passive and do not feel impactful whatsoever when used is really upsetting, glad they removed it

[@iotFlow]

@@SadGinseng isb and purifying didn't use a gcd

[@sidian4257]

If they remove isb, why not make shuffle entirely passive to begin with instead of adding it to skills that are used anyways?

[@Lame_One]

@@SadGinseng Most tanks have a "spinning plate" to keep up. They are either GCD consuming (DK, Pally) or not (all the others). The only way to avoid this would be to have the active mitigation up permanently, but like mr OP said, that just drastically lowers the skill floor without giving any actual gain.

[@GuzanGames]

id love brewmaster in legion... thats basically because the artifact weapons ability and the brew/charges made it fun to play

[@BillayDude]

Also Brewmaster finally has a DPS cooldown in the form of Invoke Niuzao as a baseline ability, and it even functions defensively too (takes 25% of your stagger). Really excited to see how this slightly new version of brewmaster plays at higher levels.

[@TheAssirra]

But does the thing still taunt which was the main annoyance of the ability to begin with?

[@MatthewGalon]

I wish they would bring back the healing sphere spawning from the artifact weapon back as the first tier of talents option. Brew always feels bad in the open world with the new scaling because the self healing is so poor. It would be nice to have that talent back as an open world content since in raiding it wasn't very useful because healers top you up.

[@LunaStarFire]

Well that's one thing i think has been improved since we get a shield via celestial brew and keg smash reduces it by 4 (on an 8 second CD) use it with blackout combo so it reduces it by 6 instead of 4, you would get an absorb shield every 18 seconds or 22 without the talent

[@MatthewGalon]

@@LunaStarFire while thats true, i thought it would be a good opertunity to give some choice in the first tier of talents and bring back a quality of life artifact talent.

[@alancode2147]

Preach: Being realistically the most recent tank to join the game Vengeance Tanks: AM I JOKE TO YOU!? On a more serious note, it does work with all talents that affect brews now, so you must have recorded this last build? As of the posting of this video keg smash/tiger palm lower it's cd blackout combo into a keg smash lowers it further, light brewing reduces base cd to 24 seconds, etc

[@mindw0rking]

came to comment on this too. how could Preach forget about Vengeance DH??

[@greenman3464]

Oleg Chebeneev That’s why I’m here!

[@scope1812]

FINALLY MONK TIME!!’ 🖤 thank you sm for all of the content by the way I’m loving it

[@360wolp]

Noticed a fair bit of stutter in the last few quick looks. Can't wait to see the rest of the covenant abilities added to these classes to really flesh them out more

[@aroundthefur1210]

So shuffle is almost the exact same thing as bone shield is what it sounds like. Defensive ability that is just up all the time, nothing to really think about other then making sure you are hitting the button often enough to keep the buff up 100% of the time.

[@duddersrules]

What's wrong with having that be part of the rotation?

[@Foxnos]

The removal of Dizzying Haze and the fact that we won't get that back is the real bummer of this expansion.

[@jacobwheeler8404]

I would instantly main BrM again if they brought keg toss back!

[@Foxnos]

@Runas yes

[@Shnecko]

Dizzying Haze and Black Ox Statue baseline with its old shield generating capability for your party/raid. Thems were the good ol' days.

[@Andpa69]

Honestly I don't know why they are not bringing back Dizzying Haze that ability was very nice It was basically like Exploding Keg but without cooldown and no damage at an energy cost.

[@Shapookya]

Elias I guess it made it too easy to pull big groups in dungeons.

[@Spyger9]

Because it's cheesy as fuck? Tanks aren't supposed to kite entire dungeons.

[@twinkacast]

Who the hell do you think you are?

[@ShiroHikarii]

The reason shuffle was hard back in MoP was because all monk specs still used chi. And blackout kick gave you shuffle but cost 2 chi. On top of everything else you had to do you had to make sure not to use all your chi because you didn't want shuffle to run out. However, I don't think they will bring chi back to all monk specs unless something changes in the next few months.

[@Ty-oe4dr]

i was hoping with bringing holy power to prot, they wouldnt be afraid to bring chi to brewmaster again. oh well.

[@tgoilad]

the idea with shuffle is we have it up 100% of the time anyway so may aswell make it passivly up and that allowed them to give us something else with the guard brew

[@Hageslange77]

Oh good old shuffle is back! Everyone knows what shuffle is, no need to explain what shuffle does. Thank god for shuffle!

[@Mcspazz731]

I love old shuffle! Old shuffle was the best. You like old shuffle too right?

[@Hageslange77]

@@Mcspazz731 I just can't get enough of shuffle! SHUFFLE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY.

[@skwagg]

i have no idea what it does, someone explain pls

[@ollegrahn1937]

Unsure how it will work in Shadowlands, but i assume it’ll increasse your stagger. Anyway, shuffle was a buff, and essentially your Active mitigation in MoP and WoD. Back then you had energi and chi (like Windwalker (even Mistweaver had it)). Anyway, each time you used Blackout kick, you would get 6 seconds of shuffle, and shuffle increasses the amount of stagger you would do with 20%, and also Increased your parry by 20% (could’ve been 15%). So you would have to do your rotations in order to get enough chi, so you could blackout kick, so you could get shuffle. It was a really fun system, but people often seems to overlook the importance the Elusive brew system complementing the old shuffle system aswell. Anyway, back in MoP you could tell the difference between a good monk and a bad monk depending on If the person could maintain 100% uptime on shuffle or not. So early game it was challenging (since you had little haste), and since you almost had no mastery, fuck ups were lethal. (Back then Mastery straight up allowed you to stagger more, but like the first raid tier, you had like 7-10% stagger from mastery). That meant, you had 20% stagger baseline, around 10% from mastery. So If you tanked but could not get 100% uptime, you would essentially take 70% of the direct damage, and only store 30% over the 8 seconds. Nowadays that does not sound that bad, but back in MoP Brewmasters did more or less have the same armor as a leather DPS, and not much health either, everything were stagger and/or evasive tanking. Both my monk and DK were SoO Mythic geared, my monk had like 700 k health, whereas my DK had like 1000k, and Paladins around 800, Warrior 850, and druid 900-950k etc. Then again, back then purifying brew did remove ALL stagger, so If you had High stagger damage (20% baseline, around 35-40% in SoO, and 20% from shuffle), you could instantly just remove it. So shuffle was a buff, but at the same time you Active mitigation. Stagger If stacked right was damn right overpowered, Brewmasters could solo soak mechanics meant for 20-25 people alone (due to how stagger worked, and their niché but strong CD’s). But yeah, there was more than just shuffle that made it what it was. Elusive brew, was the perfect mixture with stagger, and i would rather they made it come back somehow.

[@exsoulja24]

So I feel like shuffle is there bc you don't actively have block, spiked armor, shield of vengeance etc. You got 1 active cool down, on a huge timer (might be reduced in shadowlands). And sure, you have stagger, but again, stagger is stagger. So this helps with just that much more defensive when I don't have block, ignore pain, shield wall, that ability that gives everyone 30% more health. So just my opinion.

[@StormGundam]

Honestly if Shuffle is "back", then it should be as it was in MoP where it gave you increased parry chance.

[@Ulrican414]

The most recent tank to have joined the game is the Demon Hunter mah dude.

[@ОлегХореев]

Vdh so bad not even considerate as tank lmao mike

[@ZeriocTheTank]

I actually forgot that tank spec existed lol

[@lucasholmes6069]

@@ОлегХореев VDH is the 2nd best tank in the game rn in m+

[@TheHashtagSquad2K15]

@@lucasholmes6069 that's factually wrong, the most represented is prot warrior but the highest keys being timed goes to a brewmaster.

[@nicoyjulicapos]

The current changes feels like it focus more on brewmaster mitigating damage and not just eating it forever and staggering it all the way. The old way of tanking makes them essentially damage sponges , depending 100% on healers. Very good changes especially for M+ in my opinion

[@carnage123]

Arent brewmasters getting spinning crane kick in shadowlands?

[@RecoilMojo]

I've played DK & Demon Hunter, but I missed the Monk xpac. Tempted for Shadowlands 🏹🎯

[@eonarose]

As someone who has mained a monk since mop, I really hate the old tod. You only got to use it once in raids unless there were adds, and that was if you could get it off in the last .001% of a boss’ health while 16 other people are blasting the hell out of the boss. So you basically had to sit there spamming the button.

[@MasaJam1]

Thank you for using a Pandaren for the Thumbnal often think blizzard forget they exist also I miss blackout strike :(

[@Spyger9]

They should switch Tiger Palm back to Jab.

[@BioDestiny]

I hope one day the monk brew master have the ultimate of Warcraft 3, so cool when he divided in 3 forms...

[@SirSnoozebutton]

It's not like it feels super rewarding to press ISB every 6-7sec in BfA. Personally I think this change is fine since Blizzard has designed Brewmaster in such a way that you need 100% uptime on ISB anyway while actively tanking. Brewmaster getting a baseline dps cooldown and touch of death is a welcome change. From the perspective of someone who plays Brewmaster as an alt, most of the changes I've seen in the alpha have been good.

[@WontonTV]

"What is the best tank for Shadowlands? That's gonna be months down the line." Meanwhile Sco already has a "BEST TANK FOR SHADOWLANDS!!!!" video with 200k views. Cashing in on those gullible people lol.

[@Lame_One]

In all fairness, you can just say brewmaster most of the time and be right.

[@danboone5672]

Would have thought a better analogy for shuffle would be bone shield

[@DomXM]

I miss dizzying haze!!

[@jamesdiamond2660]

I miss Clash

[@Hirotoro4692]

2:90 exploding keg was only in Legion. What do you mean by 'over the years'? You're thinking of Special Delivery which was a different talent.

[@reimant1]

With Shuffle requiring you to use abilities, there are a significant number of tanks that I regularly come across that just don't press their buttons. It is failable.

[@kyleganse4978]

Im happy to see that Brewmaster is top tank. Its incredible to see.

[@ps5056]

Why? They're being on top for several tiers..

[@BigIsaac91]

I really do not understand these changes tbh. Since Legion, your mitigation revolved around balancing your usage of Iron Skin and Purifying Brew. It wasn't hard to do, but it was there. Now with ISB axed and its effect being basically up passively 100% of the time by way of Shuffle, that gameplay is completely gone.

[@zardeth9591]

Honestly if they'd tell me that the new brewmaster in shadowlands is bringing back the brewmaster of MoP, with dizzying haze, guard, chi, black ox statue, elusive brew, purifying brew that cleanses 100% of stagger, I'd be 100% on board

[@catierambles]

It took me a bit to realize you were saying "Guard" not "God". I just figured you were saying it was really REALLY good (ya know "God mode") but then it hit me

[@SloidVoid]

So between Brewmaster and Prot Pally which would be recommended?

[@xin-xvi]

Give us Dizzying Haze back, I wanna throw beer at people

[@johanhalvarsson2148]

Are you saying god or guard?

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

Honestly they should go back to the monks roots, right around 5.3 they were just about perfect and then they messed with it... Its never been as good since

[@jonteguy]

The argument that "Shuffle is just there" is so goddamn redundant it's crazy. So it would be *more* fun if shuffle *wasn't* there? I don't get it. Why do you highlight the shuffle being just there when it would make no difference if it was there or not. Do you see how redundant it is now? If it's the same whether it's there or not in terms of gameplay what's the point of even talking about it?

[@toffi2390]

The way shuffle works is just boring. There are not many active mitigation abilities that you need to time correctly with brewmaster. Just do the dps rotation and purify then celestial if necessary. That's not much, the main mitigation, shuffle could be a baseline passive ability at this point, built into stagger mechanism. I think more brews would make the brewmaster more fun to play. Like it could be a Stormsong Brew that increases haste and make your certain dps abilities to give you dodge and/or parry for a short time. Or celestial brew that aborsbs X magic damage for 3 seconds. Ironskin brew to give extra stagger for some seconds but the way that you can never achieve 100% uptime. With 3 brews like this on the same charge and cooldown timer, you would have to decide when and which one to use in the current situation from the 3 brews: longer but moderate phisycal damage mitigation: ironskin, short extra dps from extra haste and dodge+parry when you have to avoid most of the meelee attacks or need a dps burst, celestial brew for magic damage spikes. Also a heal brew as a 4th option would be nice, like the healing elixir talent with modifications. Brewmaster rotation could be similar like now: generate charges, reduce cooldown on brews and drink the brews when you need to mitigate damage.

[@MrChico212]

@J Ygb Exactly what I was thinking the entire time. How do you go about reviewing EARLY changes to a spec, mention Ironskin being removed, and not even realize that it was baked in as a passive? Then he tries to compare it to Shield Slam activating Shield Block...LOL WHAT. To be fair, it's a Preach video, you have to expect an LFR perspective from him.

[@Amphroxia]

it's so sad to see brewmaster going from the tank with the highest skill ceiling in the game in MoP, from an absolute braindead overpowered tank in expansions after that. will still main it in shadowlands tho. can never say no to my beer chugging dwarf

[@wingnutmcspazatron3957]

Ironskin brew has been replaced with God

[@mmokej]

What's shuffle

[@TheFrambler]

MoP level class design or we RRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[@tomekgieszcz6605]

iron skin is replaced with shuffle not celestial

[@AkiRa22084]

Glad about Clash, at least something good came out of something silly like unpruning...

[@RevShadow_508]

Brewmaster is suck ass to level right now. Its honestly not fun at all. You take way more damage then any other tank leveling and you just don't have enough stagger or brew to deal with said stagger. It isn't until WoD content your rotation starts to feel better and threat generation becomes less clunky. I hope this spec goes back to being as fun to level as it was in MoP because it was an absolute joy to level in MoP

[@DeltaPrime95]

when they give me back my dizzying haze, ill play bm 🙄

[@cci9459]

windwalker and outlaw please! god damn I am waiting...

[@marvinweller5001]

Sry mike, but right now there is no Skill involved at all. The best play is to just purify on CD and use celestial brew on CD and that's it There is no Skill Floor and the ceiling equals the Floor A (quite sad) Monk main

[@Soniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic]

You'll still have to time your purify and you'll also have to combo celestial with big purifies for best usage.

[@lootmaster1337]

So now instead of using a brew that did nothing to get my stagger i just press my rota and can't go afk for 20sec? Man what a big nerf :(

[@PR1ME_9]

You seem to really be phoning these in this time, I've watched your first look, second look, final look videos for every expansion and all of these Shadowlands ones are the worst you've ever produced. Shuffle is back! Cool what's that? Celestial Brew new ability! Clash is back? What was that again? How about screenshots of the tooltips? It feels like you just voiced over 4 minutes of stream content and didn't add any substance. Just not the quality expected from Preacher videos. BFA left a really bad taste in people's mouths and looking to Shadowlands with hope but lack of effort seems to surround everything related to Blizzard these days. Shame.

[@MacHacking]

is he getting 12 fps

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

The monk is not the most recent tank. DH my boy

[@fredriksnortare1613]

ey lmao

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Really not feeling these changes so far. Ironskin Brew is gone. Shuffle looks mindnumbingly easy to build and maintain since it's applied by basically all of your abilities. Purifying Brew no longer shares charges with Ironskin so we've lost a certain aspect of choice and deterministic play from the spec. The new Celestial Brew gives you an absorb shield based on purified stagger, isn't affected by haste, is on a 30 second CD and is currently BMs only form of hard mitigation. I'm really not liking the look of this, yes spamming Ironskin Brew wasn't exactly difficult or interesting but this looks like they've made it even more passive by just replacing it with Shuffle.

[@Orca00001]

im actually sad they're taking out ironskin brew

[@oneeyedwonderer6781]

Removing iron skin for a 30 sec cooldown guard is utter crap to be honest

[@NaniskaRamsam]

Preech! my man! the shuffle shit is made to stop you kiting to much. Not for fun :)

[@GoobTV1]

terrible guide

[@scottmcgreavy3849]

The new dungeon looks very legion like and for me that is disappointing.

[@MrCMaccc]

I'm sorry, but saying how you want to talk about this from your point of view then immediately saying that BM monk is the most recent tank in the game when it's really Vengeance DH makes you look a lot less credible. Of course, you're a great, high level player and it was probably misspoken in addition to you trying to get these videos out ASAP (which I appreciate btw) but really need to be careful with that kind of stuff.