Why I BOUGHT a 2023 SS 1LE Camaro not a ZL1 1LE!

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Now you know why I bought the SS and not a ZL1. Check out Asfar’s channel here 👉 youtube.com/@HotRodsDFW

[@dundiditallog2970]

That ZL1 is a race car. That car look like it just made for the track racing.. On the highway I'll have to be in the SS 1LE. The ZL1 is a investment how I feel. I'll hold it for 30 years brand new.

[@Danny-nz9fh]

Thanks Mike for the video very informative, nice comparison. I have a question do you know what type of improvement will add the performance exhaust that GM offers as part of the options? And do you know if adding this exhaust would delete the double exhaust mode?

[@AllIsWell_22]

As a ZL1/1LE owner…on a racetrack - no contest. ZL1/1LE puts down power better…it did 7:16 at the Nurburgring after all. Things that people don’t know - The Aero was developed at the Mercedes F1 Wind Tunnel. The rear glass is thinner for less sound insulation and weight. The front lower grill is very different and chugs in 106cu.ft more air than the base ZL1. The wheels are forged unlike cast wheels for most Vettes to date. You can brake harder beyond the ABS threshold in the ZLE and there is no ICE mode. The 6spd has a shorter ratio in 6th gear to go like a bat out of hell in any gear. The ZLE has a solid subframe where the chassis is bolt to the body with little to no rubber. What it means is information and confidence at the limit. The stock GY3R tires are for track only with very stiff sidewalls. Most change to the Michelin PS4S for the street and it changes the ride immensely. The ZLE is GM’s version of the GT3RS. In short - lots more easter eggs.

[@HotRodsDFW]

Solid info boss - I forgot about the rear glass totally :) Yeah the car is indeed a serious track weapon and I did give a GT3 a run for it’s money ;) I like the Goodyear 3R due to insane grip as I don’t bring it out in rain or cold at all!

[@danieldickerson4838]

All amazing info, and if I could add on as well: The ZL1 1LE also has under body strakes for additional aerodynamic efficiency on track, the suspension setup is multimatic DSSVs, and the huge carbon fiber wing, and dive planes + splitter are race derived. And, it also comes STOCK with R comps. So in short, the ZL1 1LE is indeed a GT3 RS for the Camaro, is a track focused car first and foremost, and is the most ultimate ICE Camaro that’ll likely ever be built. It’s the big daddy.

[@HotRodsDFW]

@danieldickerson4838 yes sir...super solid info!

[@goldeneagle9575]

Thank you guys for the facts. I have a 2SS but totally obsessed with the ZL1 1LE ill have one in the future promise that to myself

[@nickydrifts]

Everything you said is true, but the standard ZL1 and SS 1LE also have forged wheels, they're just 20" instead of the 19" on the ZLE.

[@coastalparasail]

Because you can’t afford the ZL1 🤣 I’m kidding !

[@scottschneider5866]

Truth 🤣😂

[@lilpre504]

Lol!

[@machinis]

Honestly, that was the reason why didn't buy a ZL1 1LE. The price tag was almost $20K over the SS 1LE.

[@matt-ts8cx]

That was my initial thought.

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

That's a fact. 😂 Only real reason would be 💰. Or allocation issues.

[@SM-eu5xl]

I've had both.. I sold the ZL1 1LE and and bought ANOTHER SS1LE.. I really enjoyed the ZLE,, but in the end, it was so overkill that it wasn't as fun to drive in 99% of my driving scenarios. In the end, I sold it for ALOT more than I spent on it when the market was crazy high on used cars and later bought a brand new 2023 SS 1LE. Super happy to be back in a SS 1LE.

[@tmike200687]

I’m getting ZL1 soon. My 2018 Mustang GT will be my everyday car and ZL1 will be my weekend fun car.

[@koonyeezy6433]

@@tmike200687Lucky Flucker!😂

[@quickdeuce]

Agree,, the SS makes more sense to most of we "average Jane and Joe" drivers and I'm betting in the real world it will sell easier, better and at a greater price than will the ZL1. The ZL1 is attractive to the HIGH PERFORMANCE Camaro enthusiast but in reality WHERE can you experience all it has to offer than on a track and how many of us have the time or inclination to find one. We drive up and down the "streets" of America therefore the more streetable car is more desirable. Just say'n 🙂

[@tylermoore4976]

This 100% helped me. I currently drive a 2019 GTI and plan on keeping it as a daily when I get my next car. It's fun and practical. For a while I was really deadset on getting a 21+ Mach 1 with the tremec. Then I saw how much cheaper the SS was with the 1LE package. I was looking at ZL1 1LE's as well. Just like you had mentioned, I want to also be able to put 100% of the power to the ground on the street and not worry as much about losing traction. Did not know it did not have the magnetic ride suspension. For me, that's a big selling point. I've never had a car with it and would love to experience it. Another selling point is the torque and power curve of the LT1 compared to the Coyote. I'll test drive one eventually but I do like the idea of how much more usable the entire torque curve is in the LT1. So now I'm looking to get an SS 1LE by the end of the year. Not sure if I want to get a lightly used one or build one to my own liking from the factory for the final model year. I have no doubt they are, but the LT1 is a pretty reliable engine right? Even with a good chunk of mileage on it? P.S. Found your channel about a week ago and love the content! Very informative. New subscriber

[@bird-man4022]

@Tyler, Appreciate your post. As an SS1LE owner, do yourself a favor and GET this car! You can put ALL the power down and the chassis tuning allows you to feel “one” with the vehicle. There’s a reason a driver like Randy Pobst has given this car such high praise. It’s a driver’s car! Next, the LT1 is VERY RELIABLE. Mine’s a 2018 and it’s had ZERO issues. Lastly, make sure you get the 6-Speed manual for maximum driver involvement. Hope this helps!

[@GoodKong.BadKong]

LT1 engine is also direct injection only, so eventually you're gonna have to get the engine serviced to clean up all the carbon build up, I don't know how expensive that'll be but I'm guessing its not gonna be cheap. The Coyote engine is both port and direct injection. Ford did this so that you won't ever have to service the engine for carbon build up.

[@tylermoore4976]

@@bird-man4022 I think I’m definitely sold on getting one. Can’t stop looking at them everyday on Autotrader lol. And I will definitely be getting the manual. Thanks for the info!

[@tylermoore4976]

@@GoodKong.BadKong I guess it’s the price you have to pay to have a cool car lol. I’m no stranger to the carbon buildup because my GTI is DI as well and have to get that cleaned

[@GoodKong.BadKong]

@@tylermoore4976 how much does it cost for that kind of service or do you do it yourself?

[@canaryveteran]

I have an SS and I swear I floated a rib taking corners. She holds the road so well!!!

[@oldschool6268]

Another life long Texan here, 4 years ago I test drove 3 ZL1'S all used, 2 were 1LE's they broke my heart on the rough ride. Found a white ZL1 with all OEM 1LE parts added, with 2700 miles, she's been with me for 4 years and almost 30K, magnetic ride is wonderful, and I will eventually get to COTA with it. The SS sounds louder due to higher compression, my ZL1 has borla Atak cat back, it speaks to your soul and everyone around you .😂

[@historyisaguide]

The ZL1-1LE has wider front fenders, thinner glass, also has parts that you add underneath to help with airflow that come in a box in the trunk when you get it new, when I got my ZL1-1LE, although it was very difficult to get (waited a year) the SS-1LE was even harder to get. I don't daily mine, and if I had to, I would definitely say the SS-1LE or regular ZL1 would be a more livable choice. The ZL1-1LE also has a completely different front fascia than the reg ZL1, beyond just the dive planes, it eliminates the led lights, and has additional scoops around the central grille opening, hard to notice unless u see them side by side. I really liked this video, because I really feel like these 2 are going to be Camaros that people will want, and will be the ones that hold their value. 👍👍👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@Jwdude123]

6-speed manual is Everything.

[@thecarpergarage916]

Good comparison! Change the tires to PS4’s and the ride will improve somewhat. The important thing is to get the best Camaro within a person budget before it’s too late.

[@HotRodsDFW]

This car sure is something to get and keep :) I went back to 3Rs from Continental Extreme Sport - not the daily and wanted to experience maximum grip but 100% agreed on comment that softer sidewalls can make it a tad bit better!

[@ImsavageIvan]

Yup, trying to get an order in before they’re gone hopefully a 2ss1LE

[@donniewebb1792]

Got my 6-speed manual 2022 SS 1LE last May Satin Steel Metallic. Took six months from order to delivery. It's not a daily only have 2200 miles on it right now but I enjoy driving it every time I get it out. I probably could have ordered it without a sound system, I rarely listen the radio because I love the sound of that LT1 engine. So, for me the SS 1LE was a much better option because of $20,000 difference and I can put full power to the road without traction issues. It's also a fly looking ride.

[@mzaccagnini7179]

Love that supercharger whine.That would be my choice.

[@5150hammerhead]

Awesome cars. I bought a 2020 ss 1le 1ss at the beginning of covid when you could still get a deal. It stickered for45000 and i got it for 42000 otd. I think that is a fantastic value for a true sportscar.

[@rondavis5189]

I couldn't resist, so I bought both. Both are in the rapid blue. Both are awesome track cars.😎

[@anthonygarland933]

I remember growing up thinking 300hp was the magic number. My 2SS RS has just short of 500rwhp and wow! At this point it's faster than most which isn't always what's best. But sure is fun.

[@Alan_Chapman]

It was the magic number when the car didn’t weigh 3700lbs.

[@HotRodsDFW]

It was an awesome day Mike - loved hanging out with your beautiful SS 1LE and those crazy C8 launches for sure :D

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Sure was bro! We always have a great time together! 👍😊

[@shanerivers8141]

Well done. I was faced with this same decision last summer when I went car shopping. Im not wealthy but could have gotten either car. It was between a 18' 2SS 1LE with 6k miles or a 18' ZLE 3k miles. I was omw to drive the ZLE and saw the freshly traded SS 1LE at local Chevrolet dealer. Decided to stop and take a look at the SS 1LE took it for a drive keeping in mind this is pretty much be my DD except for couple months or rain. Id heard all the things about the ride of ZLE making it almost impossible to DD, loved the 2SS 1LE and never went to drive the ZLE. I love my 2SS 1LE but been thinking maybe I made a mistake. This video reminded me why I made the right choice for me. Great video. Thanks guys

[@sammacintyre2583]

I had a Yellow 2017 1LE and it was one of the best cars I’ve ever owned or driven. Great engine, great transmission and one of the greatest suspensions ever! Lightweight 0-60 in 4.0 seconds

[@thomasangelo4219]

2 beautiful cars Really fast It responds so quickly

[@ccc3350]

I love my 21 2SS Convertible. Almost as much as my 23 C8 Convertible. ZL1 is amazing but I can go fast enough in what I have.

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Same here, my Camaro is a blast to drive. 👍😊

[@kingraul3186]

Have a c8 with the Z51. However, the ZLE is on another level.

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Huge news. Michelin pilot S5 the successor to the pilot 4s is coming to market and it will change most lap times, including the Stingrays track times.

[@charliejg]

My son had a Crush Orange 2019 2SS 1LE. It was sooo much fun to drive. That mag ride was sweet. He now has a 2023 ZL1 1LE. Equally as fun, just a very different animal and ride!

[@charlesgrimm13]

Equal?

[@charliejg]

@@charlesgrimm13 LOL! Well...... That ZL1 1LE is such a beast!!

[@matrox]

Exactly I would not have one of these without a manual trans. Had a 2011 Camaro with stick, then got my 17' SS with a stick.

[@livinglife3230]

My ‘18 SS is manual also, only way to go

[@johnathanhurd3561]

I've always been a manual shifting guy but I have to admit I'm older now and the 10 speed automatic is calling me! Lol

[@greatwhitenorthcorvette8133]

Thanks for the video great comparison between the two cars. I liked the sound of the SS over the ZL1 in the video

[@BrinkofSpeed]

You’re welcome Andrew, I’m glad you enjoyed it.

[@HotRodsDFW]

I was jealous as the SS did sound better in person as well - hahaha!!

[@CrusaderX]

And here I am liking the LT-1

[@Nick_Henri]

Great video. I've had two 2SS's (current generation) and have considered the ZL1 but I far prefer the sound of the SS engines and I find they're just the right amount of usable power.

[@everjeff]

Great video, MIke! I'm going on 3 years of owning my ZL1 1LE and still enjoying it. No doubt its a harsher ride but I like it. I get stopped so many times when getting gas and if you go through a drive thru, someone is usually going to compliment the car hah so definitely don't get one if you don't want to talk to people! Best thing I have done on my ZL1 1LE was switching to the Michelin Pilot 4S tires, huge difference from the Goodyear Supercar 3R tires that came stock for daily driving. It's funny I drive mine in manual mode for the Auto all the time. The shifts with the A10 are much better than the 2016 Z06 A8 that I had.

[@HotRodsDFW]

100% agreed on someone wants to talk to you when you are in the 1LE - thanks for watching Jeff and thanks to Mike for featuring the car - what color is your beast?

[@everjeff]

@@HotRodsDFW I have a 2020 Satin Steel Metallic, also the A10.

[@HotRodsDFW]

@@everjeff love it!!

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Thanks Jeff! Yep, it is an amazing machine for sure! Same here, I actually got stopped pumping gas on Friday night. The guy had no idea that is was a special Camaro, but he said “wow, that’s one of the coolest Camaros I’ve ever seen. I pulled up next to you so I could pump my gas and look at your car.” Yes the manual shifts are definitely quicker with the 10 speed than the C7 8 speed.

[@jtriplet]

And with the ZL1, you have PLENTY of times to talk to people as you're always getting gas 🤣

[@norwegianblue2017]

It's true, if you're not going to track this car or take it to Germany, you're never going to be able to use that extra power of the ZL1 on the streets. But if the extra $20k-$25k is no big deal to you, then get the ZL1 with or without the 1LE package. For the rest of us, makes more sense to get the SS. You're gonna have a blast in either car.

[@whereisthedollar]

I brought a 2SS with the Magnetic ride. With the performance suspension she came with the ride is good as the MB coupe E350 she replaced.

[@HotRodsDFW]

Yeah the mag ride does make it nice and plush and an all rounder - miss that from my ZL1

[@Oneway_myway]

I just ordered a 2SS 1LE last week in shadow gray. I’m excited! Just waiting for Chevy to respond for allocation 🤙🏻

[@iconquer42]

You’ll be waiting 8 months minimum for it.

[@Oneway_myway]

@@iconquer42 I’m ok with that

[@perrymnazjurgens]

Summary: it's boils down to $20K, which is the price you pay for another 200 hp - I have a 2023 ZL1 and it is a rocket ship with the ride of a baby carriage in Tour mode. By the time Mike puts all the "manual" upgrades on the SS the price gap drops, and in the end it's not about the quality of ride, it's about the initial price difference. I liked the video, but too much emphasis on the quality of ride between the SS and 1LE version of the ZL1 - if you can afford it, simply get the ZL1 without the 1LE package and you'll NEVER regret it. Thanks again Mike, another great video.

[@JoshuaFLO86]

That’s why I got a regular ZL1 , mag ride is awesome and you get a sunroof for the already cramped interior

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Yep, the regular ZL1 is definitely nice.

[@stevezx900]

Sunroof ruins the roofline!

[@drewpackard6646]

Mike very good vlog sir! Keep up the good work!!👍🏽

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Thank you, I sure will. 👍😊

[@RacingforALS]

The normal ZL1 is in the middle of the two cars with 90% of the track performance of the ZL1 1LE. The SS 1LE is probably the best balanced car and is a great deal for the money.

[@joesmoe6663]

I actually like the style of the SS more. That's why I went with that one. I also did not like the rear sensors on the 2 SS, so I went with the 1 SS

[@claudiucristian5632]

So you’re saying that you gave up on bunch of features of the 2SS just cause you don’t like the rear sensors? ..yea right 😂😂

[@koonyeezy6433]

@@claudiucristian5632Lol!

[@edennard1]

I looking at a 1SS now and it has every thing in it for all my needs..

[@claudiucristian5632]

@@edennard1 and that is great, not everybody needs all the creature comforts of the 2SS. But to say that you chose a 1SS over the 2SS because you don’t like having rear sensors (in a car were rear visibility is close to none already) its just silly.. sounds like “can’t afford a 2SS but i’ll make up an excuse to justify my 1SS” lol

[@edennard1]

@@claudiucristian5632 Well 1st of all it wasn't me who said that I didn't need the rear sensors, 2nd you don't know what somebody can afford and btw whether he can afford it or not why should he pay for an option on the car that he doesn't want....what you're suggesting sounds silly to me...

[@fatninja2828]

I just bought a used 1SS with 544 miles on it and I LOVE IT!

[@claudiucristian5632]

I really loved and enjoyed my 2SS Fifty Edition when it was stock. After a couple years I wanted more power but my heart wouldn’t let me trade in my special camaro for a ZL1.. so I “built”my own. Added an LT4 Supercharger, ZL1 brakes, suspension and fuel system + bolt ons and full AWE exhaust. Now my little SS with 200whp extra is a raging bull on steroids and I absolutely enjoy every single bit of it 👏🏼👏🏼. Great video as well! I really enjoy this content!

[@Tmrolln]

Thanks again. I always wanted to know about the differences.

[@richardmorris7063]

I live in Florida where the roads are better than most, I couldn't imagine enjoying driving something so harsh. To me 450-500 hp is more than enough, I'd put that ZL1 in a ditch or worse. Overkill for sure.

[@doughooks7411]

Hey Mike, sorry I have been AWOL for a bit…a couple of weeks in the Caribbean doing some snorkeling. Great to see Asfar again! Welcome back, man! Love both cars. I must say that as much as I enjoy my C8, I do not get the rush I do in my modded C7Z. But I love both and they both serve different desires. My C8 is stock, and my C7Z has 681/675 wheels numbers. If I had to choose one of the Camaros and could only have one toy, it would be the LT4 With mag ride. I have Z51 and mag ride on both of my Corvettes and love it, but I know I would miss the extra horsepower given the choice of only one. Great video, guys! I am one of Asfar’s subs and enjoy his content as well.

[@BrinkofSpeed]

Hey Doug, welcome back. I guess I need to vacation with you guys! 😉 Wow, what a trip! Yep, Asfar is a great guy for sure and has an amazing assortment of fast cars! The LT4 is definitely a beast and so much fun to drive, but it wanted to do a car that more could afford and would be better for the track, for me. I’m loving it! Welcome back and I’ll see you on Octane Hour. 😊👍

[@Brian_horwath]

If you wanted to actually drive the car like road trips and what not would you go SS? That where I’m leaning

[@danieldickerson4838]

The ZL1 1LE is a track car first, and street car second. It’s a VERY focused and serious car, and while the SS 1LE is a serious machine as well, it’s less harsh and just dead set focused on road course work than the Z is. I mean, the ZL1 1LE comes STOCK with multimatic DSSV shocks, under body aero strakes, R compound tires, race derived aero etc. The SS is plenty and then some for most people; the ZL1, especially in 1LE trim is a monster and a half.

[@camirocz]

Regular Zl1 is by far the best Camaro to drive if you use it on the street Zl1 1le is very harsh in terms of ride quality and if you arent tracking it then it s the wrong one to get . Regular Zl1 is quicker in a drag race due to less aggressive aero.

[@ReevesTop]

Im a little bias because i owned both but i definitely enjoyed the ZLE a lot more but i totally get where your coming from.

[@BrinkofSpeed]

It sure was a fun car to drive, no doubt about it. 👍

[@cski12894]

During your intro on Concrete pavement I saw both cars rear ends slapping up and down. It is more pronounced with a stiff suspension....or one that is trying to keep you level. I have a 2018 1SS. It was the right car at the right time . I bought it in April 23 with 11,250 miles on the odo. It was a one owner car who passed away. I have done visual mods and it has PSS and the Sunroof. I will be adding the Bilstein B-14 suspension, already bought, as soon as my installer is ready. Great review. With my 6 manual and the 2018 original front end...I get compliments all day long when I drive it. I am thinking about the 1LE rims as well. A 23 offset front and 43 rear. So that is a definite 👍 😅

[@isaacrivera3895]

Base ZL1 with 1LE Aero Kit/Wider Tires is the best in my opinion. you get the magna ride & the looks.

[@ttown918]

If you don't spend time at the track (which 98% of the buyers of V8 mustangs and camaros don't), why the F would anyone get theh ZL1 1LE (over a "regular" ZL1). Who wants to drive around town knocking their teeth out. The ZL1 1LE is like a car rolling on rock wheels.

[@HotRodsDFW]

Well I haven’t taken it to the track yet and enjoy every bit of it but I agree to your comment - if it’s going to be your only fun car! Doesn’t bother me as got a few others on the fun side! It more than makes up for the bone jarriness when you are super glued on those exit ramps and make lane corrections mid corner!

[@richardmorris7063]

Status symbol?

[@dreamachines8584]

Cuz its badass

[@4411825]

With that logic why buy this type of car over a more practical and comfortable sedan or SUV!

[@RonCrumbaker]

I daily my ZL1 1LE. But roads here are good. Still a rough ride, but the pure joy of driving this car out weighs the rough ride!

[@J-zf4eh]

The pre-owned market looks suitable for camaros. I mean, a lot of 16,17,18,19 SS models are decently priced, and pre-owned ZL1 (preferably, the 17-18 models are going for reasonable prices as well).

[@Dormantee]

I had initially ordered the 1LE package for my ZL1, but dropped it cause I didn't want to drive on track suspension on the street

[@nurzrachit7133]

I love that ZL1 in white! I too got the SS 1LE in Wild Cherry Tintcoat as I honestly couldn't justify the extra money as I knew I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it. The SS is already fast as crap man and although it would lose in a drag, I wanted the cornering ability first and foremost. It's hard to find a decent price for the ZL1 but I got a smoking deal on my SS. It would have cost me more than $20K to get a comparable used ZL1 and it just didn't work for me. I will say though, the motor build of the entire LT4 is really enticing. IMO it is one of the best performance motors being built right now, very freaking stout!

[@Bike_bender]

I am glad I bought the ZL1 1SE,,,really,,how often can you spend that kind of money for the amount of track time you can afford

[@CyberCrusader27]

The front fenders are actually wider on the ZL1 as well.

[@HotRodsDFW]

Yeah - both me and Mike were super confused and we did scratch our head if it is actually wider agreeing that it indeed was by about an inch on each side!!

[@TheRealDarthVadar]

Heads / Cam / Intake / Flex Fuel System / Full Exhaust and some other supporting mods the N/A LT1 of the SS will easily make over 700 bhp and 600 rwhp that's about 200 rwhp over stock

[@xmadman19x]

I chose the ss 1le over the ZLE because i couldnt truly afford the ZLE 🤣

[@HotRodsDFW]

Haha - you have an amazing car - I loved Mike’s car and it sounded better to my ears!

[@everjeff]

Always good to have fun but not over extend yourself!

[@namename1]

Ok without the back Wing without front bumper without the Supercharger but if you change all other 1:1 to 1le (brakes example) how much it will cost $

[@brucetumblinjr7980]

As a Mustang guy & current owner of a new 22 Mach 1 with TREMEC & Handling Package I’ve always respected the engine & performance of the Camaro, it’s a shame GM is discontinuing it (no more rivalry) 😢

[@lacesout1199]

Ya and the mustang gt will go back to a 4.6 v8 with no comp

[@brucetumblinjr7980]

@@lacesout1199 I’m still keeping my 5.0 Coyote in my S550 regardless

[@lacesout1199]

@Bruce Tumblin Jr hell ya ma I don't blame you dam nice cars

[@jorgeirizarry5971]

Now I'm glad I got the manual SS. Mine has the track package and still not a comfortable ride for a daily. Good thing is not a daily. I'll go crazy if it was.

[@brennanlinnell7769]

I just moved to The Colony and drive on the exact same street in the beginning of the video by Scheels in my silver SS 1LE 😂👍🏼

[@BobbyCoolBreeze]

I would want a a regular ZL1 but I would also consider a 2 SS and do some mods to get that ZL1 power but without adding a super charger.

[@yellowgold]

I've got the same car and i live in the same area! i think i saw your car from far away the other day.

[@davidhorne2326]

I had a ‘19 ZL1. Really miss it! But I can see that the SS would be a better daily.

[@MidnightBenz]

Better daily and better on technical roads/tracks..

[@I-di-nt-do-nuff-in-]

On the street the ZL1 one is like being on a wood roller coaster and the SS is like being on a metal roller coaster

[@robertcirilli6577]

I would definitely prefer the SS. I like driving.

[@rldeppe1]

I can see the shadows of your Mini 3 pro. Awesome little drone.

[@cecilotto504]

A 400 plus hp car is more than enough to enjoy on the streets. Anything more is wreckless needs to be on a track

[@19hundoc47]

Lol says the guy that drives a civic probably

[@everjeff]

The ZL1 is easy to drive, unless you are hammering it, it’s pretty tame, having the 650hp and especially the 650tq just means you’re not full throttling on public roads. I mean you can but it could get expensive quick, bond etc hah.

[@cecilotto504]

@@19hundoc47 no chump i got two 5.0s

[@Sloimer]

@@cecilotto504so you’re basically rationalizing your 5.0’s… got it.

[@darthnatas953]

If it was 1977, you would be saying a 170hp Camaro is more than enough to enjoy on the streets. Anything more is wreckless (sic) needs to be on a track.

[@toddaulner5393]

Went for a ride with a guy who had a 2018 SS, he had upgraded such as cam and some suspension but I was shocked when we went up a pothole road in the rain and we were going 90-100 mph, it was frightening believe me! It did grab though!

[@petermad152]

Unless you’re going to the track every weekend a ZL1 is overkill. I had a buddy that trade in his zl1 for an SS. Although the ZL1 is the ultimate camaro you can’t actually use that horsepower power on the freeway or in the city without getting pulled over.

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

Sound's like my decision to buy an R/T Scat Pack Wide Body over a SRT Hellcat. I wanted a manual, I wanted to be able to throw it around a bit without being terrified, and wanted something a bit more poised in the twisites than the big Hellcat, I am not a pro driver so nearly 500HP and a torque curve that hits right off idle is at the limits of my skill for a road course. To top it off, it was like 60k fully loaded with the shaker vs a Hellcat that was about 80k. Yes, I track my Challenger.

[@amill1563]

I thought for sure it would have mag ride. But appealing to a wider audience with cool mods sounds good for your channel.

[@danaberman6929]

I would not get rid of my 21 SS1LE for the ZL1. I like the performance and ride of the SS 1LE. I prefer the 6 speed as well. I sold my Hellcat Challenger because it was an automatic. It handled ok, but was nothing compared to my Camaro for getting around the corners...

[@livinglife3230]

I got a ‘18 SS manual & challenger hellcat, best of both worlds. Luv em both the same. Seems like we got equal taste in cars, what’s yo next vehicle?

[@danaberman6929]

@@livinglife3230 Not sure yet. I can't do automatics, and that seems to be where all the car makers are going. Whatever my next car is, it has to be a V8 with a six speed. Nothing beats the sound and driving experience when row'n gears...

[@livinglife3230]

@@danaberman6929 manuals are pretty much done. If I went zl1 next it have to be a m6. The thing about the zl1 is that it looks just like a SS. My SS is stock, i don’t modify my vehicle usually just straight pipe em. I’d luv to get the new Demon at MSRP but I know that’s not a option. The c8 is a option & I can also use the excuse of not having a manual b/c it’s not a option, lol

[@johnniezuniga6841]

Both beautiful muscle cars😎🤗

[@BrinkofSpeed]

I agree 💯

[@CreasyEQ]

I agree 💯. I couldn't have an automatic Camaro, or Mustang 🐎 ❗

[@rockyarchambeau5820]

I like the the ZL1 better,but I agree the SS is more usable on the street ,and definitely more affordable for sure ….

[@BrinkofSpeed]

👍😊

[@MidnightBenz]

The SS is the better car, not faster, but better. SS 1LE will put better lap times on more technical tracks and on tracks with more straights it will slightly be behind the ZL1 1LE. The better car will also include the miles you drive before fueling up, SS gets the upper hand in that field.

[@adammichaud7890]

I drive a ss and love it.. I subscribed

[@yelltona3928]

Nice video, im debating on which one to get after i pay my hellcat off. I kinda want a ss just to build it and have fun with it . But i do like the ZL1 lol

[@I-di-nt-do-nuff-in-]

5:07 crazy I got my 2014 manual Camaro SS for 32K brand new from the dealer

[@joeystrunk4413]

I got a 1le cams e85 and it hangs with the best of them

[@ironkobe]

Now find a regular zl1 and compare it

[@tetolink12]

Zl1 1le is on another level 650 hp

[@bobbywilliams1823]

I have the SS 1LE. As far as bang for buck nothing comes close. Switch it an E85 tune and grab an Lt2 intake and you have a rocket ship

[@19hundoc47]

It’s simple for me. Put the hammer down on the SS and go, oh that was fun. Put the hammer down on the ZL1 and go, HOLY SHIIIIIITTTTT and laugh like a school boy

[@petermad152]

Also you could easily just get a 1LE and slap a super charger on it. Which would make close to a stock ZL1 Plus the 1LE has the ZL1 suspension. And it’ll be cheaper than getting a zl1

[@a.martin994]

bang for the buck, SS 1LE. Biggest bang, no doubt ZL1

[@isiahgomez6860]

Because of money, nothing more nothing less

[@mugmasher4309]

I picked up a 2SS 1LE besides the extra cash I did not like the huge wing on the back I like the style of the SS1LE way better

[@petercarey6883]

The ZL1 presses all the buttons without a doubt. But (yup always a "but") you can't get it with a manual transmission. I'm sure the transmission is not an issue for most here and in reality, it wouldn't be for me either if I had a bad knee or hip. Then without a doubt it would definitely be the ZL1. GM hit it out of the park. Save the Wave 🙋‍♂

[@DullerCrab]

You can get it with a manual, same Tremec 6060 that’s in the SS

[@HotRodsDFW]

100% The car feels such an all rounder especially the regular ZL1 The 1LE is like a serious weapon :)

[@dennisgill3459]

His ZL1 is a show car to flex with..He never uses it on the track

[@daltonburgess251]

My dream car is the zl1 with a 1le type areo kit

[@noclandevon]

Well I think the other big reason would be price, you can get a 2ss 1LE for about 40-50k, a USED ZL1 1LE will cost you around 130k for a supercharger. No brainier the SS 1LE is a MUCH better value unless you are seriously racing that car, no track day but RACING that car, then its a good value.

[@aninja7628]

I did the Ss and put the Eaton supercharger on it/ I like the daily driver feel if the SS in all modes way better

[@gabrielflores1149]

ZL1 has a supercharger! Looks a lot better and sounds better. 1LE is not needed, but much better than a SS. Power might be a bit much, yes, but the experience is wonderful for not that much more money!

[@al151]

You need to consider other things like insurance, maintenance and fuel consumption. Insurance alone might change your mind.

[@gabrielflores1149]

@@al151 Huh? Insurance is just like $150-170. I’m 29. Who cares about fuel economy? It’s not that bad and has a decent sized tank.

[@johnathanhurd3561]

Realize road track cars with more built in down force are slower at the drag strip or street drag racing with less top end speed.

[@That_Guy11]

55K for a 1LE is getting really up there I got mine for 48K back in 2021 and thought that was high. I know most people got them for around 43K

[@BrinkofSpeed]

You are correct. They’ve gone up big time in price.

[@al151]

This is a 2ss 1le not 1ss. A loaded one too.

[@bradturner3361]

They have gone up, but for how much car you get …. $55 is a steal!

[@ronniemiller349]

Zl1 all the way babe, the price is my only concern 😮

[@driger888]

magnetic ride control is standard on 2023 zl1's.

[@jdwxflyer]

Great looking cars, the both of them, but I like the SS look better, and you can’t argue with the cost. How much power does one need?

[@theguyz550]

I got 2021 ZL1 covertible and its amazing

[@amill1563]

This video sponsored by Nebraska Furniture Mart.

[@HotRodsDFW]

Hahha We did use their restroom and I called this out to Mike!!

[@u.b.469]

Mike, which car do you enjoy driving more, the C8 or the Camaro?