Britain's Ugliest Locomotives?

[@mrnorthernspitfire3067]

As a wise man once told me “Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder”

[@James_Rivett]

Godfry once used that line in Dad's Army, Captain Mainwaring replied "there's no need to be rude" lol

[@mistermadmachine6311]

😂

[@SamsTrains]

I think they were right!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@miloseal25]

@@SamsTrains hey Sam the square engine was neville in thomas and friends

[@arthurfan163]

@@miloseal25 all know

[@Bacony_Cakes]

Guys, if yo girl: - Is quirky - Looks good in green - Comes from York - Wears a bow That's not yo girl, that's *NER ES1*

[@lapiswake6583]

ES1s, like the EF1s and EM1, were built in Darlington Works by the NER. Not York. One ES1 is preserved, shame the rest are extinct.

[@craigthe]

Nooce

[@willhooker9567]

I love those

[@Bacony_Cakes]

@@lapiswake6583 Yes, but if i said "Darlington" then everyone would know it's a train, so i chose the location of the former headquarters of the NER.

[@terrier_productions]

@@lapiswake6583 you mean scrapped. Extinct means all members of a species (or locomotive class in this case) have no members such as the Dodo bird or LNER P2

[@GamerB2022LikesTugs]

People: “Q1 looks like an ugly duckling or a telescopic spy class.” Hit Entertainment: “It looks like a Diesel.”

[@SamsTrains]

haha touche!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@QJ89]

Neville had potential, but they just wasted him on one of the worst episodes of the whole series.

[@sglenny001]

@@QJ89 yeah I love the history with his class

[@thefountainpendesk]

@@QJ89 THEY REALLY DID!!!

[@Lightbolt95]

@@QJ89 I like to think that the shyness and insecurity in the little time he had in the show was a result of him being austerity which in affect literally meant he was built on the cheap and even in real life history they didn’t expect the q1 to last till after the war so only a few years of working life

[@cadetkohr5508]

I love the Q1. It has that sort of "Quick, we need an 0-6-0 engine," slapped together, industrial look. I'm personally a big fan of that sort of look, so I like it!

[@lordmichael95]

Me too, mate, me too. 😎

[@Samuel62655]

**Sees thumbnail** **Sees title** *Neville would like to have a talk with you*

[@stet_and_query_central_1]

Angry Neville noises

[@SamsTrains]

haha, poor Neville... sorry Neville! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Universes201]

Poor Neville

[@theworst_ttv-btw3170]

In my opinion the Q1 is the coolest looking

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah, I do love the Q1!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@theworst_ttv-btw3170]

@@SamsTrains I just got a board delivered today for a permanent train set and my dad said wanna get a new train with it I said hell yea and we ordered the Q1 because thanks to your vid I knew what it was called 😊🙏Thank you Edit:I'm only 13 so what you say about new blood is working

[@craigthe]

@@theworst_ttv-btw3170 the Q1 is a good choice bud. hope it works well

[@theworst_ttv-btw3170]

@Creeps still cool though I like the garrat a lot but Q1 is my fav

[@swindonproductions4428]

The underground Ernie engine is the ugliest loco in your collection

[@stet_and_query_central_1]

😶🚋🚋

[@SamsTrains]

That's true... thought that would be too predictable! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TheSaint491]

I look forward to hearing sam's history of them, and it getting more out there as he goes

[@QJ89]

From what I remember, the trains from Underground Ernie look like caterpillars on rails. No doubt they crawl like 'em too.

[@Alpha-oo8]

I don’t think sentinels are ugly... they are just kinda plain. Nothing overly attractive about them, but not ugly either. They’re just there.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah maybe you're right - I am a fan of the Sentinel, don't get me wrong! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@AlvaroCC-qq3uz]

2:14 That black steam engine looks like Neville from Thomas And Friends and Warrick from Thomas and Friends Trainz adventures and i think that loco is not uggly is cool

[@that1niceguy246]

They did this one dirty with Thomas. (Q1) At least Neville's class worked properly, Thomas' class had too little capacity for fuel for longer runs, had a too long wheel base for tight curves and had weak brakes and wasn't built strong enough for heavier trains.

[@Upguy-tj3gv]

Me: *sees thumbnail* Also me: Poor Neville always getting bullied :(

[@atrillagaming7805]

I don't think Q1 (Neville) looks ugly

[@terrier_productions]

That’s funny because Oliver Bulleid designed the Q1

[@SamsTrains]

@@terrier_productions I know!! Sorry Neville! :(

[@Crimsonedge1]

The Q1 is my favourite too. A real beast. Absolutely massive power-to-weight ratio. So much so in fact that the only downside to the Q1 was that all the power could never be put down on the track unless at speed. Too much regulator at low speeds and she'd burn holes in the rail from wheel slip.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I really love those - incredible machines really! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ジェニスタ]

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't find the Q1 totally ugly; I actually find them really pretty!

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah me too - I do love them myself!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@gwyneddboom2579]

You’re not the only one!

[@datguymiller]

They're beautiful

[@willhooker9567]

Ugly ducklings

[@atrillagaming7805]

Agreed!

[@a.z.pantera5577]

I honestly love the Q1. Never really thought it was ugly. Just a good ol' work horse. Probably the definition of "less is more".

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah me too - I really like them too, just for the record, but I confess they're ugly! ;)

[@GreenSunshine27]

I think that these locos arent best described as: ‘ugly’ i feel these are better described as: ‘unique’

[@TrainMaster2004]

no way I literally just said this exact thing to one of my friends

[@yoshitakaozawa83]

I totally agree with you on that.

[@lazertrain9326]

Yep !

[@lordmichael95]

I definitely agree with you on that. Especially the Q1s.

[@thematthewexpress5999]

@@TrainMaster2004 me too

[@sophiaevans9908]

Q1s were also known as coffee pots. As built Bulleid pacifics are gorgeous AND functional. They were designed that way to be able to use carriage washing plants

[@Station_Master_13]

Poor Neville, gets bullied and almost falls of a bridge, now this 😅

[@lazertrain9326]

R.I.P Neville... I love that loco !

[@MaxwellTheTrainFan]

Nevil is my favourite engine

[@jackhstproductions649]

I thought the Bullied Pacific always got bullied 😂

[@Mich13._.1]

Neville wants to never see wwll

[@eliseorossiproductions6348]

Neville And The Othets Thankfully Got Spared by Mattel So They Can Never Be Apart of The Miscreation They Had Made

[@disposable_income_andy]

Something interesting about the Q1's appearance aside is that Oliver Bulleid once proved how reliable it was by riding on the tender as it was pulling a passenger train, doing 70 MPH. *Backward.* Other than it being a bit of a rough rider and its cylinders popping out the front if it was overclocked, it was an extraordinary engine. When the big 4 merged, this thing ended up getting the power classification of 5F, meaning it was roughly as powerful as an LMS Black 5 and the most powerful 0-6-0 on British Rails ever built. Basically, this means Neville is as strong as Henry.

[@LIMowersAndMore]

She maybe ugly but it’s beautiful to me, I love the Q1 she’s a character of a workhorse era!

[@SamsTrains]

haha I feel the same, don't get me wrong - I really like them too, just for the record! ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Foxy_Lightning]

I actually love the appearance of the Beyer Garratt, 'cause it's so massive und just looks like it has all the power in the world. But i must admit i really like all of those 4-cylinder engines, like the Union Pacific class 4000 or the german BR 96

[@CrazyCabooseCreations]

Funny how almost all of these have a basis inspired into a Thomas character.

[@champbaka]

Our reactions prove how effective the series was in making us recognise these locomotives.

[@thesassieststorkalive5614]

Don’t mention the West Country class ok? Let’s just keep it at that

[@thesassieststorkalive5614]

@Joshua W56 that’s your opinion but in my opinion Rebecca is the worst this to come out of that series as it replaced our number 3

[@eliseorossiproductions6348]

Thank God, She Didn't Carry His Number

[@isaiflores5595]

@@thesassieststorkalive5614 to be fair Henry and Edward were spared from the massacre.

[@tomtative]

You know you're doing something right when you have 112 likes and not one dislike. Throughout the last year or so this channel has been something I can always come back to for a nice bit of railway escapism, so thanks!

[@EForrest88]

you're wrong at the end there, Pacers are very much on the way out, with the Class 195 & 230 being phased in as replacements.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Nothing's too cheap for this government, especially for Scotland, Isle of Wright/Man and Wales. They'll keep them into the 2030s, if they can.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - I need to update my info sheet! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@EForrest88]

@@abloogywoogywoo Scotrail don't have any pacers these days as far as I'm aware (and didn't have many in the first place I think?). Isle of Mann railway is run by their own government, not the UK. Isle of Wight has the tunnel size restrictions that limit them to the old tube stock (which itself has just been updated to refitted 484s).

[@abloogywoogywoo]

@@EForrest88 If "Transport" for Wales don't backtrack (no pun intended) this is fantastic news. I'll never forgive those units for making me throw up on the train as it bounces and lurches everywhere up the valleys.

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

The Pacers are essentially a Leyland metro bus on rail wheels. They were supposed to be a stop-gap measure until something better came along, but they've been jostling their passengers for decades. There's only a handful left in operation in Wales, mercifully due to be withdrawn in May 2021.

[@kelvinkerr9077]

Z zee we

[@EthansTrains]

I actually like the Q1, I’m building one out of Lego at the moment :)

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh that's amazing - please show me that!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@EthansTrains]

@@SamsTrains will do when it’s done, gonna take me a while!

[@mr.berlingo8211]

We're only just getting rid of the Class 142s down here in Devon, they were banned under disabled access regs, but had a reprieve under COVID to provide additional space and got rount the regs by pairing them with Class 150. Used to hate them but they're not too bad on welded track.

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah I heard about that... not a huge loss I suppose! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@aj50person82]

The pacers have actually been taken out of service recently.

[@TrainFan119]

Good

[@ILikeTransport]

Yes, it's so sad 😭😭😭

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Be still my beating heart.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah so I hear - need to update my sheet! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@QJ89]

Now I know why Chris Eden-Green always bashed 'em. As someone not from the UK, I never fully understood the hate that the Pacers got, but I can see why.

[@kyle5674]

I personally love the design of the Q1 and Garratt! Although I love strange looking locos in general. Great video!

[@Pirate-Scorcher-1998]

A West Country class is a ugliest locomotive?This makes me cringe XD I love the design of it

[@SamsTrains]

haha don't get me wrong, I love them too!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@christianevangelista]

I blame the Hornby Q1 for getting me hooked to model railways around 3 years ago.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I don't blame you - they are epic locos! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@railway187]

The Q1 is so beautiful 😍 It has something futuristic retro in it... and it has nice dimensions

[@caboose.20]

Futuristic retro is an oxymoron..

[@jwalster9412]

the pacer was made as a temporary replacement to older DMUs, therefore used many bus parts including the engine and were not meant to be used more than 20 years (with new 90s british DMUs) but after privatization, many were still in use and plans to get rid of them were dismissed. that is part of the reason why people hate them, is because they were made as cheap as possible and have bad suspension and poor seating as they were not meant to be a long term solution

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing J - appreciate the extra info! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@benzinapaul7416]

Flying Scotsman with wind deflectors be on my list.....I'll get my coat....

[@abloogywoogywoo]

What Thompson did to the poor Great Northern and P2 class, should be on the list.

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! xD

[@leroyholm9075]

G2A Not easy to steam, Pete Waterman is a good source on how to drive it. My mentor the much missed Harry Soucester (LNWR) Driver would drive these locos on the legendary triangle freights - Bescot (Walsall) - Sheffield - Manchester - Home. Powerful and efficient, this was the reason they lasted to the end of steam.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh is that so? This is pretty cool, thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@blinard1]

I came here to see if everyone was as outraged as me regarding the Q1

[@James_Rivett]

I'm outraged, that nobody seams to be outraged about people being outraged, about Sam's outrageous bias for Bullieds engines calling them Ugly lol.

[@SamsTrains]

haha sorry for any outrage caused!! I really like them too, just for the record! ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@leroyholm9075]

Spam Cans are not ugly and when you have travelled behind "Tangmere" flat out storming Wellington Bank at White Ball Somerset you would know why. Difficult to pull away from a standing start they took a lot of practice to stop slipping. Further into the sixties before final demise they broke100mph on several occasions Bournemouth to Waterloo! Well Done Sam still keeping our spirits up!

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's fair enough Leroy - I really like those too, just for the record! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@camerons7599]

nnnooooooooo!!!! how could you put a beautiful bullied West Country/ Battle of Britain class in this list, they're my favourite and absolutely beautiful they're amazing. Also could you do a review on the newer bullied pacifics as the colour on hornby's newer ones seems to be much better and would be nice to see a more modern review on it as you haven't for a good few years now

[@withnailsghost9999]

I had the Hornby one in Malachite green a few years ago and it just looked cheap and nasty

[@camerons7599]

Did it? How many years ago are we talking because I think it's quite recent that it's been finally improved

[@withnailsghost9999]

@@camerons7599 now that's a question 5-10 maybe....possibly it's just the colour...saw one in BR green on Sam's channel and it looked amazing

[@camerons7599]

Ian B fair enough I think the newer ones within the last 3-4 years have really come on

[@berkshire4607]

My opinions on the steam locomotives: Southern Railway Q1: Ugly, yet powerful Sentinel: Very cute LNER Garrett: Unusual but looks bad-butt in white (also, you drived it backwards) Southern Railway West Country Class: I'm in love G2A: Interesting Pacer: Good design, but hideous paint job

[@LNERA3PRODUCTIONS]

me: sees the tumbnail also me: hhmm yeah verry ugly

[@SamsTrains]

haha me too!! ;D

[@solidsnake4595]

awww leave the Poor Q1 alone its not hurting anyone! personally i find it quite charming in a unique way and the fact its a freight engine means it wasnt meant to look pretty i guess.

[@bartskinthepro3138]

Same lol

[@TrainFan119]

@@bartskinthepro3138 ikr

[@eastpavilion-er6081]

An interesting observation: LNER also has a Q1 (I mean the Ivatt one inherited from GNR, not the Thompson Q1 tank) and it has a 0-8-0 wheel arrangement similar to the G2A. It looks quite unbalanced like the G2A, but overall it looks much better.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - I wasn't aware of their Q1, very interesting!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@therealvbw]

Legend has it, if you call Thomas ugly, you don't see another day

[@SamsTrains]

Oh god - I'll be careful!! :O

[@McMalarky]

@@SamsTrains yep because he'll blow enough steam into your eyes you'll be blind... for an second so scary

[@exveefan]

In other words season 25 is the ultimate doom for the thomas fans. Oh wait too late, it already happen.

[@lindsaydonovan6241]

17:15 THAT'S A 142! 141 was two leyland buses glued together 142 was still a leyland bus at heart 143 & 144 were inspired by leyland buses All of them also share design roots with the APT with the high speed freight vehicle.

[@SSP149]

No way, the West Country Class is beautiful! It's my favourite loco lol

[@SamsTrains]

haha I love them too - not sure about beautiful though!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@PiersDJackson]

The Pacer family (classes 140, 141, 142, 143 & 144) were developed from an Austerity drive to fill the gap for the "80's", with an intended life of 20 years (actually over 40)... the basic mechanicals were British Leyland, the bodies on the 140, 141 and 142 were by Leyland National... if you find the LEV1 prototype, you can see the similarity to their buses. In Victoria (Australia) there were the "Walker Railmotors", with an intended life of 20 years, and they lasted until the closure of their lines... essentially the near identical 102Hp and 153Hp units and the larger 280Hp, the former being an "engine" and a "carriage" with a semi-permanent articulation, the later having the "engine" amidships between two "carriages"

[@csabatoth5230]

Can ypu make a MOST WEAKEST ENGINES competion

[@SamsTrains]

haha that'd be great fun!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DigitalDavis16]

The West Country/BoB/Spam Cans in their original form fascinate me to no end. City of Wells was the loco that got me hooked on the class - now all I need is an unrebuilt one! I agree that it works in this video in some ways, but it is uniquely stunning simply because...it’s different and you wouldn’t be able to look away. Hard to disagree with the other choices though

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they do me too Davis - I love the class too, agreed! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thesassieststorkalive5614]

What about Britain’s most attractive locomotives next maybe?

[@bluesfish98]

Stirling Singles, SECR Waighnright D class, Gresley V2 Green Arrows for Steam And the DP1 for diesel .... Lion diesel would be interesting, but I think that its paintwork may make the model look unpainted !

[@robertwilloughby8050]

@@bluesfish98 I have a soft spot for T9's and Midland Compounds. I also like (drumroll for reactions of abject horror) the GWR Counties (both!)

[@bluesfish98]

@@robertwilloughby8050 yeah, not a huge fan of the latter counties, I don't like the splasher

[@johnnypoker46]

I like the Q1s, I spotted eleven of them in the early '60s. I always liked the West Countries / Battle of Britains, and spotted a majority of them including 34067 Tangmere. Most people regard a high running plate as ugly, notably the 77000-77019 standard class, the 43000-43161 Ivatt Moguls (dubbed "Flying Pigs") and the two Black Fives built this way, 44686 and 44687.

[@uksteam7008]

Bullied's Leader am I right!

[@Chepstowion_Adventura]

I have say Q1 is my favourite to and I would love to see it on run again. The reason the Q1 like that cause of war time standard, but by god were they good efficient machines and at day efficiency better than looks.

[@SamsTrains]

Very good choice - I'd love to see one run some day too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@samharv8076]

In real life the Q1 was a brilliant loco in every way.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it really was!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@srajfnly2]

Hey @Sam’s Trains the Garrett would normally run water tank first but you can run them tender first

[@WilDBeestMF]

A couple of real life Garretts were dangerous to run tender first. Kind of the Ford Pinto of trains 😅

[@rookycanadiantrucker]

The Fell, is truly ugly.

[@andrewdking]

Yep can't argue with that. If ever a loco was designed by committee, that's the one.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I've heard a lot of people say that - so is the GT3, if we're talking KR models! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@moogmike1]

I was commissioned by the publication "World of Trains" to do a full colour illustration of the Southern Railway "Q1" and on completion of my illustration thought.....this locomotive has character and beauty. One of my favourite illustrations.

[@harrythegamingboi7974]

Sam I believe you forgot one. I think you know who I’m talking about

[@SamsTrains]

haha Circle?!?! ;D

[@harrythegamingboi7974]

Yes…

[@harrythegamingboi7974]

How did u forgot her

[@harrythegamingboi7974]

@Joshua W56 yes

[@TrainzBoy_1678]

I really like the Q1 and the West country class because of thomas and friends. They just look so cool to me

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they are cool, I won't deny that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ironcityrailfan8467]

It’s a loaf of garlic bread on wheels haha

[@SamsTrains]

haha not quite that bad!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ex48bw]

"GARLIC BREAD?!? YER JO-KIN'!" (With apologies to Peter Kay)

[@jorodo299]

Hmm, seeing as you've already done the Q1 I'll say the 15XX pannier tanks as they look half finished (in my opinion - I imagine the eaasier access made them much easier to maintain though).

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh interesting - I'll have to look at those!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@woolf_animated690]

some of them are ugly... BUT in a good way!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah maybe you're right!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@harrisonrawlinson5650]

I really like most of those locomotives, I like the industrial functionality and styling. Maybe they’re a little bit ugly, but maybe that’s my preference? I do not like the Pacers, I spent my childhood rattling around on them crammed in with football hooligans when I just wanted to go to the cinema at Horwich

[@lewispeake6691]

this is how I would generally describe each locomotive (not that they are bad but in the presence of this video) the Q1 looks like someone's first attempt at building a train in Minecraft the sentinel looks like a shed on wheels and on a track the Garratt looks like NASA trying to send a locomotive to space the West Country class looked like someone from the Texas Chainsaw massacre sawed off the front of the engine the G2A looked like a thief had stolen the front bogie and the Pacer is best described by Sam (a Bus on tracks) If there is anything more Ugly than these lot, it definitely has to be the 02/4 Tango A good selection here, Thanks for the video Sam

[@thestandardfour0699]

I'd say the Q1s are better looking than the A2/2 but still, only opinion. This was a nice vid, certainly unusual! Probably my most..disliked engine is the Bullied Leader loco. Any way sam, Keep up the good work!

[@leroyholm9075]

Hi Sam, Great Video. The Q1. I saw these working in the early 60’s when I was able to gravitate to the Southern Region. Oh my God! could these locomotives pull. For an 0-6-0 they were really strong (the most powerful British 0-6-0). They were rated at 5F and were much more capable than that. Not surprising when the boiler design was similar to the Lord Nelsons! At only 90 tons they could work over most of the Southern Railways tracks. The looks belie the reality!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Leroy - appreciate you sharing - yeah I have read how amazingly powerful the Q1 was, very impressive locos! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@thomascollector5443]

OMG 100 THOUSAND SUBSCRIBERS its been an amazing journey ive been watching every video since 50k congratulations on the milestone

[@baxtermarrison5361]

Oliver Bullied spent a lot of time in France before becoming the CMcE of the Southern Region. The Q1 is one of my favourite steam loco (along with Stannier's Black Five). It is a shame that only one of the class made it into preservation.

[@derronbailey9332]

I actually agree with all of these surprisingly. A bit about the pacer...I went on one through the Cowburn tunnel in the Peak District and it was one of the most bumpy, and dangerous rides on a train I have ever been on. Great vid as always.

[@blueboy1923]

I’m surprised the Thompson a2/2 wasn’t included.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I didn't have that when I filmed this - otherwise it definitely would have been!! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alicetrainz6853]

When I was a little kid my dad would take me on trains rids and for some unknown reason it was always a pacer, and because I couldn't see its wheels I always thought it had bogies so you can imagine my surprise when each unit had only 4 wheels.

[@robmasterman]

A fascinating production Sam, I think I prefer the term characterful rather than Ugly, it's all a matter of taste I suppose. A short story about the Sentinel, they have an upright boiler, which has to be coaled from the top. A young man working one on a preserved Railway in South Wales, singed his eye brows and eye lashes when he lifted the firebox cover to add coal. I thing it's these very different characteristics that gives us so much pleasure, as if they all looked similar, then what a boring world it would be....Bob.

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Bob - yeah maybe you're right there, thanks for sharing!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@robertgates7686]

Not read all the comments but nearly all Pacers have been retired 'Up North' Where old trains seem to finish off their days, but that is another story. They ran quite smoothly on continually welded rail but gave a very bouncy ride on 60 foot rail sections. They were also very noisy at top speed. I loved my ride to school on Leyland and occasionally Sentinal buses in the 1950's and 60's. Though country lanes and villages with roads at times only wide enough for the bus. Only one accident in the five years I used them. A tribute to the skill of the drivers. These buses are now classed as 'Heritage' and attract thousands of people to vintage transport rallies. They are still sometimes used as Rail replacement Buses in Cumbria. Thanks for the memories.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing Robert, yes I have heard about that - appreciate all the info! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Sodor156]

The design of the Q1, West Country Class, and Garrett always fascinated me; whether I was first introduced to them through either real life (books) or in Thomas and Friends. :)

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah me too - they're strange things aren't they?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@chrisclark6192]

Hi Sam. As a steam locomotives person, I find most diesel locomotives are bland with very little character. The pacer is an awful looking thing, but my award for the ugliest loco goes to the warship diesel. Great video as always. Cheers Chris.

[@fyfieldjunction]

Most pacers have been fully withdrawn from service now. GWRs pacers had there last of service on 21/12/20 however a few are being preserved and I believe northern have gotten rid of most of there’s now aswell but again some are being preserved. Basically pacers are no more although I believe TFW still have some but not sure

[@jameswilks3266]

I’ve tried three times now, and I can’t make it passed the first couple of minutes of the video. I love the look of the Q1... So pragmatic, rugged, and in proportion... it’s beyond my comprehension that anyone can dislike its look.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I didn't say I disliked it's look... it's one of my favourite classes! It's just generally agreed that they're ugly - for better or for worse! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Olivers-trains]

I love the videos but here is a list of things. 1. The pacers are gone. (for a few months) 2.The pacers are beautiful 3. That pacer is a class 142 (there are the class 141,142,143,144) 4. Can you get a Realtrack models class 156.

[@Pyrotrainthing]

There's a charm to the design to the Q1's in pursuit of a minimal design to save as much as possible made a locomotive that was able to preform its jobs efficiently.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - I'm a fan too to be honest! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@timsully8958]

Hi Sam, I know what you mean about “looks aren’t everything”. Some of my favourite engines are real lookers, the very pinnacle of aesthetic beauty. Take my favourite ‘real’ engine Witherslack Hall (or “the other woman” as I jokingly refer to her when I speak to the missus 😜): absolutely wonderfully balanced design, makes my heart flutter a little whenever I crack eyes on her. Yet another favourite is the M&GN stalwart the Ivatt 4MT Flying Pig. The one remaining survivor 43106 is, let’s face it, a bit of a dogs dinner. But by crikey, what a fabulously characterful beastie! Same for the Dub-Dee war department locos. And many of the industrial engines are fat, dumpy and awkward, but that is what makes them lovable surely? 😜 Cheers Sam, good stuff as ever 🍻👍

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Tim - yeah I'd agree with that, particularly on those Halls! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@wolftrailsrailroad5792]

non of them where "ugly" Just didn't look that nice. The Garratt hasn't been my most favorite of engines. Great video again Sam! -Will from WTRR

[@millsy_2523]

Great video Sam, RE: the pacers, I believe most are retired now or in storage with Transport for Wales being the only company still actively running them. Apparently TFW also have plans to scrap them in early 2021 - this was mainly due to their poor quality and not meeting the accessibility regulations for disabled folk. Most were replaced by the class 195’s - I believe they all plan to be fully retired by Mid 2021 however the pandemic has slowed this down. I was wondering if you still do repairs on locos, as I have a Hornby class 08 with a terrible screeching like you mentioned on the Sentinel - it runs really slowly and I have fully taken it apart, cleaned and re-lubricated with no joy. It ran fine only 6 months ago!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, yes I've heard this too - can't say it's too much of a loss really! Unfortunately I can't offer repairs any more - but I have heard lots about the Hornby 08s screeching, seems to be quite a common problem! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DC4260Productions]

That Pacer model is actually a Class 142, not a 144. Also, the 142 units (as well as the 143s and 144s) have all recently been retired due to lack of compliance with new disability legislation (at least, that's what I've heard). Northern's Pacers have been replaced by new CAF-built Class 195s, but I'm not sure what's replacing the Welsh 142s and Great Western 143s.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - my bad, thanks for letting me know! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@brando6BL]

If I was going for a Saturday's 'shedding' with my mates, we would often head straight to Feltham loco-shed where many of the Q1s were stabled. Due to the chimney they were known as flower-pots. Personally, I never saw them as ugly. Much of the time they were dirty which was a sign of how hard they were worked and the decrease in the number of people who worked in the industry. Austerity was the buzz-word of the forties and the fifties; I reckon Oliver Bulleid and his BoxPok wheels and his sectional boiler cladding was right on the money.

[@SamsTrains]

haha flower pots - I've never heard that one before, but they do look like them!! Yes I heard they were pretty dirty most of the time too :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

What I find odd about the G2A is not the wheel arrangement. 0-8-0s were not uncommon in the US. What I find weird is that it is an inside cylinder 0-8-0, so there is a huge front overhang where the cylinders would be (like the Raven Q6 or USRA 0-8-0). I have the B-mann G2A in LMS black. It's a pretty nice model and not horribly expensive.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah you're right - that is odd isn't it? That's why I singled it out too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stevemanklow5128]

That Q1 is BEAUTIFUL, OVB at his best when times were hard. The same can be said for the Merchant/BOB classes, they did sterling work given the circumstances

[@SamsTrains]

haha maybe you're right Steve - I really like them too, just for the record! ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@edwardhawke8338]

Great running session. Probably the best word to use to describe those trains is 'functional'. Just a thought but one type that could have been on that list were the War Department Austerity 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 (I don't know if you have any of these in your collection). Again, 'functional' is the best descriptive word.

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Edward - yeah 'functional' works for me, haha! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@trainman305team]

17:17 there were 3 variants, class 142 is what you have, class 143 and 144 are the others and the worst one was the class 141

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh okay, thanks a lot for letting me know - duly noted! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@damienchalker4374]

Living in Queensland Australia, the Garratts we have here are definitely very beautiful to look at in my eyes. Ours were also built by Beyer Peacock, and were built for streamlining in a way as well.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh glad to hear that - maybe they look nicer than the grey Heljan one?! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@johnd8892]

@@SamsTrains Queensland Garratt for you to decide. : kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX3Hnn6fqtycpsk Maybe too much blow down steam , but being careful to blow any water out of the steam circuit.

[@dogshome7110]

Because the shapes are so familiar, they are no longer ugly. Like the bulldog or the greyhound (squashed or stretched, where form fits function) that we have known for years - they are beautiful.

[@roelantverhoeven371]

well, I love them! I love 0-4-0, 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 engines! Belgium had a lot like these as well, and also for passenger trains.

[@QJ89]

I now know that the New South Wales Railways weren't the only place that had standard gauge Garrett locomotives. Like the LMS, they were ordered in to handle freight trains up steep grades, singlehandedly. Fascinating.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh interesting - thanks a lot for sharing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@scottishrailwaymaniac9996]

I actually bought a Hornby Q1 a wee while ago, they're ugly but nice at the same time aren't they 😂 I canna mind do the models have sprung buffers or are they fixed in place, been a long while since I got mine out and had a look at it.

[@KeeganLynch-sn2qu]

I think that the Bullied locos are beautiful personally, because they’re wheels are nice looking and the box look for the Q1 is interesting, and The look of the West Country Class loco looks like it has hair on the sides they’re beautiful!

[@roycspary8923]

-the Bullied airsmoothed pacific was brilliant. just run it through the carriage washer. 3 cylinder and 4 cylinder designs all-proved the extra complexity of cranked axles and convoluted valve gear was tried by all the big 4 and all proved that a well designed outside cylinder with outside valve gear , gave little away in performance and only a smidgen in efficiency and were far easier to maintain and service so that clawed back the lifetime cost and gave higher availability chain driven valve gear was a NO, but thermal siphons to shift cooler water to the fireboxbox improved steaming and made firing easierand I love thelook of them both. the rebuilds looked goo in their own way butitwas stil aesthetic desecration

[@Trainspotter_1015]

hi sam love the video,the sentinel is not at the Middleton railway it's at the cholsey Wallingford railway and its in BR black the owner is Peter Mitchell and the loco is called Isebrook keep up the great work

[@percythelittlegreenengine1507]

One of my favorite engines on sodor is Neville and the Q1 is the same engine so the Q1 is quite Beautiful and also the west county class is a special engine it had a very bad wheel slip problem and it’s also a sodor named Rebecca one of the most hated engines cuz she replaced a old and favorite engine Henry

[@hoodeddominoes9792]

I actually LOVE the pacers because they were the main thing that I grew up with, going on about 2 or 3 every week for about 9 years and so I love them

[@iceeblueburst03]

Even though the Q1 looks ugly and what the Thomas narrator says “shaped like a diesel”, it’s still an impressive steam locomotive and a very powerful one too! I heard that it’s the strongest 0-6-0 locomotive because of the 5F rating! I also seen this locomotive in Thomas & Friends which is the character Neville. I wish he appears more often in the television series, but I doubt it because of Season 25.

[@cameronstrainsadventures]

17:15 not trying to be picky but I think your pacer is the class 142. The 143 and 144 pacers were slightly better looking, but still ugly, but you should also check out the class 141 pacer and the class 140 (not a pacer). I think my eyesight has now been permanently damaged haha. Still, a very interesting running session and I must say when I saw the 4mt (I think it was the 4mt) I was shocked but relieved when you chose the garret over it.

[@lindsaydonovan6241]

"Not going anyhere soon" ahem look it up they're being cut up en masse

[@crunchynutsteamfilms5043]

Very nice running session Sam! I am actually quite a fan of the 'spam cans' (WC Bullied Light Pacifics) but I have to admit they aren't the most glamorous of them all. The less said about the Q1 the better, but I think they look horrific! Maybe, although I love the GWR, a 56xx could qualify for this video too. Keep enjoying the railway and bringing us these quirky videos, regards, Dan

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Crunchy, yeah me too actually - I really like them too, just for the record! ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jackhstproductions649]

And yes Pacers were based off the Layland National. Also, all pacers have been withdrawn, but lots have been preserved (fortunately as I love Pacers!)