Britain thinks it has Democracy: Not when compared with Chinese Democracy

When people tell me China has no democracy, I laugh - it actually has more than the UK - here's proof
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[@johnno2377]

Hard work is the rule as far as i could see living in China. I lived in a local community in Laizhou shandong province. at the local level the village leaders are voted into power by the community but if those leaders during their term do not deliver results they are simply ousted and others are chosen. Seems to me a very productive system. those leaders that do their jobs well and have fullfilled their duties etc are then in a position to vote for representitives within that group to the next rung in the ladder but again the same rules apply. if they do not deliver on their promises or simply fail to make things better for the communities as a whole they are simply ousted and replaced again by vote. Yes it is a one party system but it works here in China. This system of governing is not something that can work everywhere as their are cuktural differences at play. But for china it works welland for western governemnts to dictate that it is wrong is absurd. Most western politicians are extremely wealthy and 99% of them have no idea what a pint of milk or a loaf of bread at a supermarket costs unless they access a data sheet.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Great contribution Johnno, you are spot on with my own experiences here in Guangdong, over 2000 kilometres away - it's great to have validation such as this, thank you - I'm pinning this comment to the top!

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Yeah, Xi is a great leader because you can't be a "commoner" coming form ANY other circumstances than Xi, dirt poor peasant who understand each other. And for that reason it must be maintained that nobody in the communist core of the People, is EVER anything more than that. Success is essentially like becoming a Western asset and losing your real Chinese identity, sort of like Janissary slaves. This of course is no exception to the West. The ABSOLUTE hatred of "big companies that can afford" it robs ANYONE who gathers with enough successful peers, of their "equal" status. You get to be a peasant in a "huge corporation" as long as you hate it. Hate, is the only currency, the only nationality.

[@hongqingxiang3374]

🙂🙏👍🙏🙂

[@MASMIWA]

It takes money and political backing to win elections in the US. It takes meritocracy and hard work to win promotion in China.

[@komangpandehariyadi7918]

Election Vs Selection

[@joaodecarvalho7012]

It takes connections with the top brass of the CCP.

[@f1aziz]

@@komangpandehariyadi7918 Meritocratic selection > Chaotic and Corrupt Election.

[@jackaus1742]

BS. Connections of his family won him promotion. Being know as a person of average intelligence, his family's connection earned him a position in the prestigious Tsinghua University. His dealing with Covid was a disaster for the whole world, and the months-long lockdown in many Chinese cities created such many many tragedies for so many families. In any democracy, he would not survive as a qualified politician.

[@jackaus1742]

It takes the family's blood line to win promotions in China. Being the biggest culprit of the outbreak of COVID-19, he has no seats in a democracy. His strict lockdown caused huge pain and loss to many families. here, you pictured him as a saint. isn't that a joke? Deleting the message makes you a coward if you keep doing so.

[@i003410]

Thank you Jerry for illustrating how “democratic” is the country that kept criticising Hong Kong and China for not being “democratic” enough. Indeed, western hypocrisy knows no bounds!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

What's most interesting about the HK issues is that most ofthe criticism, and certainly the worst of it come from Chris Patten and Helena Kennedy, both in the HOuse of Lords and both unelected, the other vitriolic voices are Luke De Pulford, who is paid by the NED to organise the Inter Parliamentary Alliance on China and Benedict Rogers, who is also paid for by the NED to organise Hon Kong Watch - neither of them elected, both paid by the United States - and this is democracy their style!

[@monipenny408]

Personally, I think it is advantageous to China & others for U$UK to continue on with their unrelenting "democratic" PR (PRopaganda) strategies. Why? Only because PR strategy is just that, PR, all talk, no action, so whilst U$UK are pouring billions into PR strategy, it would mean less time and resources to do R&D and real innovation....so eventually they would just kill their own economy and development as we can see now. Sooner or later, when the ordinary people are being persecuted for non payment of taxes, because they are so poor and starving ...only then will people wake up to the illusion of democracy and freedumb in the west....just look at the recent PO scandal in Britain, collusion between govt and corporations, to name just one and in the U$ even more so. These are effectively failed state, now considered to be terror / pirate states given their overt backing of Gazan gen0cide and constant piracy of ships (I didn't make this up, it's all in the public domain). U$UK are being destroyed by zion class from within, sadly many are still asleep chasing after the "USUK dreams" of celeb, money, trillionaire, x factor worshipping.

[@Helghast73]

@@jerrystakeonchina799I wouldn’t be surprised is Ian Duncan Smith is on the NED take as he spouts some nonsense the moment he can on China.

[@user-pl6dp9rp6v]

The worst thing is the western politicians request China to release Jimmy Lai from court case. I can tell u many western countries are involved in Hong Kong 2019 rioters scene. Many foreigners even in charge and instruct the rioters what to do, my question is who are those people? FB1? C×A? They damaged Hong Kong and Lai is not innocent at all.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I think you're right monipenny, why disturb an enemy when they are making a mistake!!!

[@horridohobbies]

Meritocracy is the foundation of Chinese democracy. British democracy is not based on meritocracy but rather on popularity or nepotism. Popularity in elections comes from telling good stories and making compelling promises. Also, to rise in the ranks of British democracy, you need MONEY. Money to fund your election campaigns. That's why most low-ranking British politicians don't and can't rise. All this applies to American, Canadian, and Australian democracy, as well. The Anglo-Saxon countries.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

One thing the UK has that the US doesn't have is a cap on spending - which I think is a great thing - however 30,000 pounds per constituency is still a lot of money and other "donations" can be privately added so it's open to abuse too

[@ALIEN_857]

Well-said

[@tonytube9211]

The strength of the Chinese system allows long term planning. But the downside is when a corrupt leader stays on top. China is very lucky to have Xi. Corruption has been done of the main downfall of many nations as history as shown.

[@horridohobbies]

@@tonytube9211 Every nation on earth has corruption to one degree or another. China's system is no exception. America's system is no exception. Britain's system is no exception. However, since Mao, China has had no corrupt leader. I would argue that America has had several. Biden and Trump have both been under scrutiny for corruption. Practically every President in recent decades have been corrupted by the military-industrial complex and the Jewish Zionist lobby, which explains the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel.

[@partyhu]

@@tonytube9211 腐败？国外把腐败合法化了而已。

[@SUPERFLUID88]

In Canada our politicians don’t need to know anything about anything as long as they make empty promises they’ll be elected

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Seems a little like Australia and the UK too - at least my experience of Australia - the PM is currently making changes to election promises as we speak!

[@MMLL369]

Any system that could allow comedians be elected as head of state is a broken system.

[@DV-dt9sq]

It is called capitalism. People raised in that regime need to learn the basics of that system. They don't even know it is anti-democratic system. Idiots!

[@zhanglini]

Demoncrazy is great for stupid politicians because they can always count on votes from people that are dumber than them

[@davidrichards1741]

There's a requirement in Canada that top politcal and civil service positions be filled only by those who are fully woke, pander to the Quebec french, and bestow expensive favours on the million-plus annual immigrants (at the commoners' expense) with the expectation they'll all vote for the benefactor party

[@benwong4648]

Xi Jingping rose in the CPC of his dedication and skills. His father was humiliated by the Red Guards and Xi was sent to the rural countryside like many whose families were disfavored by the Red Guatds. From his actions and speeches I am guessing he is a Confucian in the model of Wang YangMing, a Neo-Confucian Minister in the Mid-Late Ming Dynasty. He has not used his position to improve his own or family fortunes and has gone after corruption like no other leader before him. The strength oChina today is in it's Meritocracy that has been strengthen by Xi's leadership.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I'm reading some of his work at the moment, there's no doubt, he's a student of Marx and Confucius but I haven't seen a reference to Wang Yangming yet

[@tsuikr]

his father was disfavored by CPC but a lot of his father's friends were not. Xi did say that his father's old friends perhaps were a factor of his rise, he could not help that but hope that it would not happen to others in China again!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Yes he did but at the same time, he's proven his abilities over and over again

[@partyhu]

@@tsuikr 你这话有点可笑了。你不知道他父亲做过广东的省委书记、政治局委员、中共中央书记？？这还叫不受欢迎？？？

[@t4ac]

​@@partyhuWhat @tsuika wrote is correct-Xi's father was disfavored by the Communist Party though his father did attain high position in the party. Instead of being bitter, Xi set off to prove his worth, serving the community and rose from the tanks in impoverished parts of China. He understands poverty. That's why he is determined to help raise the millions from absolute poverty in his country of China.

[@antiimperialism2739]

George Galloway said democracy in the US and UK is the ability to choose between two cheeks of the same buttock :)

[@wdp7128]

😂😂😂😂

[@twilight6460]

By George, he's absolutely right.

[@loveblindhate9318]

Two faces of the same crooked coin.....Conservatives are just bunch of money changers....

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

He's right and it's even worse, the two party system is two pimples on the same buttock!

[@loveblindhate9318]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 Here in America is Corporatism.....Fed/lobby$/Corp/Blackrock/Banks > govt = oligarchy colonization....

[@nelsonc3984]

Democracy is an empty word.

[@hiboyu]

But it enriched the politicians' pockets.

[@Lilavrila]

I wish the members of the government in France had some taste of what real life feels..

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I think they're all busy going to parties!

[@Lilavrila]

​@@jerrystakeonchina799 in the end, Life is the biggest teacher

[@junkman888]

OMG! Thank you for this video. I realized that I have oversimplified British politics…

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Mot people do - I was lucky enough (or perhaps unlucky) to have spent some time working in Parliament when I was a young man - I got an idea of how farsical it was then

[@George123-bv7xq]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 I was fortunate to have lived at the home of an Australian politician for a number of years as a guest and discovered just how farcical the whole political system is as well so that it turned an idealistic person who entered politics in the hopes of creating a whole new society into a sad and bitter individual at the end when he left politics.

[@kckoay6211]

I guess Beijing will be the last to claim that China’s political system is perfect. But it is still a relatively young and progressive political system that embraces continuous reform as its core philosophy. That said, the proof is in the pudding. The quality and effectiveness of a political system must be judged based on its results. Inarguably, the Chinese political system has delivered the most astounding societal progress in human history - whether it is progress measured based on factors such as its ability to address fundamental human needs, helping its citizens improve their quality of life, and provide opportunities for citizens to succeed; or progress measured by the increase in GDP.

[@MMLL369]

"That said, the proof is in the pudding. The quality and effectiveness of a political system must be judged based on its results. " I totally agree. Unfortunately though, they are being judged by ideologies at this stage on the timeline.

[@BeijingBuzzz-China-Travel]

China is a meritocracy. That derives from Confucius.

[@ferryrustandi944]

Liked and shared. Britain THINKS she has democracy 😂

[@twilight6460]

THINKS ! Good one 👍🏾

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks - I might rename the video as a result of this wonderful phrase

[@dongiovanni8899]

western liberal democracy = one-time vote on election day every several years😂

[@fannyalbi9040]

ya as if sunak and those before him was elected by the brits 😂😂😂

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you, I love the shares

[@kinlian]

After observing governments in many countries, I find that democracy is not a good system. The leaders elected to govern the country are elected by people, most of whom are not capable of making a good choice, as they do not spend sufficient time to understand the issues and the candidates. I find that a multi party system of democracy is worse, as it results in the parties fighting against each other, rather than solving the problems facing the people. The democracy in America has now reached a stage that it is almost insane. The UK is better than America, but it still has its weakness.

[@twilight6460]

Jayant Bhandari an Indian said : Democracy is the worst form of government

[@cleopatra3206]

1m1v, who gets the votes, the honest politician or the conman? Who’s standing for election? Power attracts the corrupt, and many of us don’t want to stand for elections. Democracy does not work well.

[@brockabaddy985]

I started doubting the democratic process from many years ago. It appears to be a fair and powerful system but it has too many Achilles heels. On the one hand, candidates don't know what the common man is going through and on the other hand, the populace don't know how to exercise the vote responsibly and mainly vote for self-serving free stuff. Is there a system better than the democratic system? Never have I ever associated 'democracy' with the Communist Party of China until recently as I learnt more about it. Eric Li's TED talk on China's system first opened my mind to the idea. There's much to consider and learn.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I agree with you but don't see how the UK is any better, the only difference is that the UK government is cheaper - the US has the best government money can buy, they UK can't afford it anymore!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I've been experiencing the Chinese system first hand and even been into the political system to see how it works, it really does work well. I'd say 95% of the people in china feel it works well too and it's not just me that says this - Harvard University and the Edelmen Trust Barometer both had the same result, over 90% of Chinese people feel satisfied with the Central government

[@boonteoh2346]

Accountability counts, to show strength of ability to govern. Unlike Western politics, people are only interested to be voted in every 4/5 years.....not based on performance!!! Great take again Jerry, thanks. 👌👌👍👍

[@jamessiu7660]

Meritocracy is what makes democracy works. In China, our leaders not only do they have the skills and capabilities for their job, they have the understanding of what the people whom they serve need. The skills, capabilities, and the understanding all together are what make serving the people accomplished and realized.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I like how you call China's leaders "our leaders" James, I think you're right, they are global leaders, not just China's leaders - well said

[@voltydequa845]

Meritocracy is what makes whatever system function better, while "state democracy" makes the system function better when it comes to finding compromise between long-term objectives and short-term citizens' satisfactions. Imho it is important to realize that a sovereign state that has a long-term project capacity cannot be but a "state democracy" (vs so-called "liberal democracy"). Citizens are not able to reward, for long-term benefit of all, the meritocratic, moral and intellectual integrity.

[@genelarson6849]

​@@jerrystakeonchina799have you noticed what's going on in China right now the true debt to gdp in China is approaching 300 percent it's stock market is in free fall it's real estate is a disaster on steroids say evergrande say country garden. It's malls are empty unemployment is rampantly pushing the hard working Chinese citizens into poverty. Way to go CCP

[@briandwi2504]

Wonderful, thank you.

[@redkellyre6568]

The Works of Aristotle on democracy explained by Jerry's take on China in 8 minutes and 52 seconds

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

haha, thank you, that's fine company you're putting me in

[@chickenlady3155]

Democracy in the UK is the same as the US. Every few years you can vote for one of two parties that inhabit largely-overlapping areas on a very narrow part of the political spectrum, but the people who govern you will be essentially the same regardless of whom you vote for, and the people whose interests they protect will not include you.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

All true, unfortunately!!!

[@isaacisaac2380]

Yes, yes, yes, operation and system comparison between China and “democracy” is excellent learning. More please. As an American, I didn’t know about those lords!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks Isaac, I'll find more about British democracy soon, there are laws now where in the uK they can arrest you if the police think you might commit an offence - I think hollywood made movies about that before! It's reality right now

[@zacl1077]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 Minority Report.

[@sabinereynaudsf]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 Are they actually learning from China? kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3fbo3xsqNKpfLc

[@MYSG-nc6wp]

Former colonies of UK, including my country, Singapore, adopted its Parliamentary system, and fortunately with only one chamber of elected Members, without House of Lords. SG's founding father, the late Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, saw through corruption as a cancer to the society and put in measures to contain it (total elimination is impossible). He also adopted CPC's cadre system, while fighting it's insurgency, as he could see a good system, where people are given authority/resources when they show accountability/responsibility. I taught my Chinese colleagues this formula of AR=AR when I was managing factories in China. This is the way to success for any person/company/country that I see only in China and SG. For many other countries, only the already rich and powerful get the top leadership positions in government. That's the sad state of so-called "democracy". Just sharing thoughts.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Good thoughts too, thanks for adding them

[@natn41r]

Singapore has inherited the elitism of the British system. I vaguely remember the Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong, touting aristocracy as the best form of government. His father, Lee Kuan Yew, also famously said that they (the rulers) are the ones who will decide what's right, never mind what the people think. Singapore has no true democracy either. Cronyism is very much prevalent and entrenched in the system.

[@MYSG-nc6wp]

@@natn41r I disagree with you. SG still operate more on meritocracy and hardly cronyism. The leaders have to work on what is best for the overall good of the people, and not pander to populism. Yes, the system is not perfect, and some idiotic scholars hold high positions and may not even manage well, so that's a flaw that I hope will be fixed. There are also minor problems, of course, but they pale in comparison to those of the West. There is no perfect country in the world, as long as SG is much better than most countries, I am happy enough. We don't need to be #1.

[@MYSG-nc6wp]

@@natn41r I don't remember LHL saying that at all. Don't use vague memory as a point, get evidence please.

[@aero.l]

​​@@natn41r LHL never asserted such a thing. What you're quoting is his brother's words, not him. Singapore is far more of a democracy than the UK in a demonstrable sense. In every measurable metric, Singapore beats the US and UK.

[@raymondyau7234]

I have been watching your videos everyday. You have a way of making your points crystal clear. I just want you to know that I have learned so much watching your programs, I am a 70 year old man born in China and now living in New York. I read a lot and I also share your views. Thank you for making these high quality videos.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I appreciate that Raymond, thank you very much

[@ALIEN_857]

Britain should do away with the monarchy; what function does it serve other than benefiting an aristocratic class?

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I'm inclined to agree with that, it's a useful tourist tool though and it does bring in a lot of money, something the UK really needs right now!

[@dongiovanni8899]

a presidential system like the US is also no better

[@ALIEN_857]

​@@dongiovanni8899 Same as two-party dominated British system.

[@George123-bv7xq]

@@ALIEN_857 Same here in Australia which is based upon the U.K. "West Minister Parliamentary Democratic Principles" with a two-main party dominated system to the preclusion of other minority parties even those that are progressive for the country like The Australian Citizens Party which has barely a tiny voice to be heeded in parliament.

[@luisabarca7363]

The British “democracy” has two single elements, vastly abundant in that society, that the Chinese don`t have and don´t tolerate: Hypocricy and Snobbishness.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

That's true Luisa, in fact most Chinese are quite humble and certainly modest - the complete opposite of brash arrogance which we see in some societies!

[@PIT72100]

In Asia you vote you leader because he is educated intelligent with a degree to run the country..in America you vote for a Hollywood star or a millionaire...🤣🤣🤣

[@kl9518]

I thought about this, and you made it so clear. Thanks

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Glad it was helpful, thank YOU

[@donatwu3128]

The model of democracy of the western world basically started from rich, which was gained through its looting & exploitations from its conquered countries around the world during the imperialistic colonialization era of the past 500 years. Unfortunately, after its transient sign of success between the 70s & 90s, it is beginning to lose steam as results of unresolved loopholes in various aspects of the model, as well as the shrinking of hegemonic power & opportunities in its post-colonial-era exploitations at weaker countries which it needs to feed on for healthy growth. On the other hand, the China model of governance had to start from extreme poverty, or better described as ground zero, after the country was ransacked & almost sliced up by ex-colonial powers & then split by civil war even after the end of WW2. Thanks to Jerry who has correctly & clearly described how the China model of democracy now works. Needless to say, there will always be areas of imperfections which require attention & amendments. However, Chinese are proud of their model of democracy which does not have to rely on invading, bullying or looting by force at weaker countries for its growth & development.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks Donat, I'm happy to have youu validation for this.

[@tonytube9211]

Excellent comparison! As I've said. You're one of my favourite channel. I have been eagerly looking forward to new videos from you. Do keep up. My sincere thanks!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you very much Tony, no plans to stop anytime soon

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I will thank you too Tony

[@root3183]

The founders of China were mainly composed of workers, farmers and intellectuals. Therefore, the design of China's political system and governance philosophy pays more attention to safeguarding the interests of the poor. The founders or reformers of most countries such as the United States and Britain were mainly composed of landowners and wealthy people. Therefore, the design of its political system and governance philosophy pays more attention to safeguarding the interests of the rich. In order to fully understand the lasting impact of the differences in the main components of the founders on the country and its people, let me give a simple example. For example, in China, even if it knows it will suffer losses, the Chinese government will still build railways in sparsely populated areas to make it easier for people in these areas to travel. The Chinese government uses profits earned by railways in densely populated and wealthy areas to subsidize these loss-making lines. Although the profits of state-owned enterprises have decreased, it has provided convenience for ordinary people to travel. Setting up such a production line in the US or UK would be nearly impossible. Even if it is built, because the line is unprofitable, the government will support the wealthy people who own the line to increase fares or close the line. The democracy promoted by the United States and the European Union is nothing but a show to fool the people. For example, most Americans do not believe that Trump or Biden are suitable to serve as president of the United States, but both Republicans and Democrats support their candidacy for president in 2024. From the moment the electoral system was established in the United States, the choice of the U.S. president has been firmly in the hands of the Democratic and Republican parties. I think anyone with any sense knows that so-called presidential elections are nothing more than fooling the people into thinking they can choose who holds the power of the country.

[@xyyyyx3247]

Lookup the definition of Kakistocracy, it will explain it very well!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Very well said Root

[@George123-bv7xq]

Very true and real. The rich, the wealthy, the landowners and the slave owners created THEIR Democracy. One only has to look at just how much insane money is involved in the U.S. electioneering process to realize that those without the wealth need not even look in. So much for a so-called, "fair society".

[@ys29229]

In British-styled of democracy, you don't get to vote for the ultimate leader of the country. You only get to vote for who will represent your area or constituency in the lower house. And the ultimate leader may turn out to be someone different from your choice

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

As it is now, the least voted ever Prime Minister is inriching himself and his family right now without any voter approval!

[@Helghast73]

Superb content and spot on as always Jerry. At 5:59 you could have added “And a partridge in a pear tree” 😂 Regarding Hong Kong, was it always a crown colony for the most part ? which would mean regardless what’s said regarding “democracy” the governor was appointed by bods thousands of miles away.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

The same governor who now sits in the House of Lords making a pest of himself!

[@cz5978]

CPC is basically a giant human resource department of the government and everyone in the government hierarchy is a public servant in contrast to US gov that consists of elected officials and public servants.

[@davidlam26]

The two words in my mind are condescending & hypocrisy of the US & UK politicians !!!

[@user-cn4np4jx1u]

The debate about political system especially democracy vs communism or otherwise is somewhat out of date in today's societies. What matters are the decision makers. Governments are to serve their people and not vice versa. A democratically elected person can be a puppet, serving a minority with the power to influence or intimidate a disunited majority, whereas a good leader who dictates policies to improve the lives of the majority would probably do more good than such perceived 'democratic' leaders. In democracies, riots arise and are suppressed, no different from that in a dictatorship. At the end of the day, when people are pushed into a corner, there will be a reaction, regardless of democracy or communism. Democracy works well when there is an even playing field, else democracy becomes just a propaganda image.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

True, we shouold stop using the word, pearticualry in relation to China where real democracy does exist but people assume it's no good because people like my wife didn't vote for Xi Jinping - how disillusioned they must be!!! Collaborative governance is my choice of wording

[@hclau218]

As long as UK has the Royalty and the House of Lords, it is not a Democracy. I dont know what dictionary you refer to, but having a House of Lords whose members are either appointed or are based on heritage is not democratic in my dictionary. Maybe my dictionary is not English enough - since I am Chinese!?

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Did you watch the video HC? We are in agreement

[@hclau218]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 Yes, I was just emphasizing the point, not contradicting you. I believe I made a similar comment on one of your earlier videos.:)

[@nancytai1550]

Thank you Jerry for such a clear explanation of the two governments & democracy! ❤

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks Nancy

[@liamporter1137]

Great talk. Thanks for sharing.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks for watching again Liam

[@KevinWayne]

Trip Bitten has an interesting video today where he points out that the US pushes the line that there's some kind of "Norm" in it's conception of Democracy. When in fact many countries have in fact been Monarchies, Dictatorships, etc. The US brand of government is actually an anomaly when compared to history on the whole.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

He makes a good point; the US system is a very modern system and completely corrupted from what they had in mind when they set it up. Any time an election cost runs into billions, as they now do there's a problem and when they create laws to suggest that bribing a representative is alright as long as you call it lobbying then there's an even greater problem The last major problem I have with their form of democracy is, if my country wanted it, it would be democratic, if they don't want it, then surely giving it to me at the point of a gun is the most undemocratic process in existence!

[@panda00520]

Every time I watch the elections in the United States and Taiwan, it is like watching a performance, entertainment, chanting slogans and mobilizing people with emotions, support me, I will give you these. I would say that governing a country is something that needs to be taken seriously, not just talked about. China will not focus on talking, but on doing.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

This is very true but even New media in the USA is classified as entertainment!

[@hongqingxiang3374]

🙏👍🙏

[@user-vp6vf8wm2s]

Great job Jerry, perhaps even the local Chinese may not know this.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Local Chinese know they have demcoracy and most of the people I know here don't really care about that, they only care that life is improving - Brits however, seem to think that Chinese people need to be rescued and placed under the same forms of servitude they are under - I can't think why anyone would want others to live like that!

[@dongiovanni8899]

villages have elections: 1. local people's congress, 2. community-level direct democracy governance

[@woodnz6359]

Every Chinese understands this. After understanding this, I was too lazy to participate in political activities. Before the Chinese graduate from high school, they have learned a complete set of knowledge on how to carry out armed riots. The first step is to define our friends and our enemies. The second step is to set a goal: to seize national power. The third step is to set a slogan, such as: We are in power here and the people do not have to pay taxes. Then there is how to organize the masses. Military training is conducted in secret. How to expand across the country usually uses religious means. How to defeat more with less in war, how to form superior forces locally, and how to carry out guerrilla warfare. How to form a unified mind in war, how to embrace and cherish the relationship with the people. How to fight tunnel warfare, how to fight mine warfare. After occupying the country, we must suppress the bandits and unify the language and writing. After occupying the country, unify their thoughts and conduct civil service examinations with one thought. The above are clearly written in middle school textbooks, it just depends on who is willing to read them. When the Chinese people learned the above knowledge, they looked down upon democracy in Western countries.

[@cyberspore00]

For a democracy to function successfully, the citizens need to be educated and well-informed. Unfortunately, this is not the case in most Western nations at the moment.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Absolutely

[@elkaboom1871]

Excellent episode, Jerry. I feel as if I've just been truly informed.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you Ken

[@maniaouri2146]

excellent video very informative thank you

[@jvp9703]

Great video, very concise. And yep, I sure as hell didn't vote Truss or Sunak into power.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I've decided that your insistent sniping and rude comments are getting irritating and removing you from my channel now - had you had anything interesting to say, or any comment worth hearing, I would have left you here, even though I think you're wrong about everyting you say - the point is that you're rude as well so you're gone from the channel now - goodbye

[@good_man4083]

Great work

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you so much 😀

[@patawoonie]

Shock awakening

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

For some people it is, yes

[@shonnyNOR]

Another brief brilliant 'Jerry's take'!! 🧙‍♂🧙‍♂🧙‍♂

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks again Shonny

[@crusaderhatson]

Hi Jerry, I saw the interview you did with CGTN recently. It was quite a change of pace to see you dressed like that 😂. I didn't know that you were based out of Zhongshan, that's really cool because my family is from there. I'm sure you know by now but it's called that because it's where Sun Yat Sen is from, so they named it after him. It's not often that Chinese people do that, but this was an exception. Thank you for putting out great videos as always.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks, I did put on a tie for the CGTN interview, I have been on there before and didn't but when I saw the people I was on with, I felt underdressed - this time, I was over ressed because Andy, like me, is pretty casual. Yes, I've been ion Zhongshan since 2004 and love it, I am aware of the history here as I wrote an extended article for Guan Ming Online Weekly about it a couple of years ago and am working on another article even now for Global People Magazine - I have a contract to write about one city a month for that magazine and I've already done Zhangye and Hami on the Silk Road and now and doing Dongguan and Zhongshan in the Greater Bay Area - these are the two areas I'm focussing on for this 12 part series. I plan to expose Zhongshan a lot more to the world if I can, it's a wonderful place, my wife is local and her family have made me part of the furniture now!

[@altrerive721]

In the democratic nations of western block, who controls the money has a lot of power to bend the political will or governments.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

True but probably controlling the narrative is more important than the flow of money, the money flows to the rich anyway

[@hongqingxiang3374]

@@jerrystakeonchina799🙏👍🙏

[@gj8550]

Brilliant, insightful and educational piece. Everyone and I mean everyone who is critical of Chinese democracy should watch this. In particular, those who participated in the Pro Democracy Movement in Hong Kong should watch this.

[@syncmaster915n]

Great take, Jerry! The top level politicians in the west seem to be more and more pre-selected than elected. Just look at the new French Prime minister - photogenic and young! How much experience has he had in governing?

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Not a lot and he seems to be appointing others with even less experience!

[@worldpeace3753]

Thanks Jerry, your explanations are incredible.🎉

[@jacksonwong90]

You can analyse well 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@NopWorks]

Thanks for the video as always. It's brought up a point I haven't thought much about before. Great video 👍

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Glad it was helpful, thank you too

[@dannychu5140]

wish i can share this on tiktok

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

IT can be shared on Tik Tok if you want, I have no problem with shares, feel free If you need a copy sent to you because you can't download it, I'll happily do that if you send me an email, if you want to download from KZbin there's a App called clipgrab, which you can do online or download the app to your device

[@dannychu5140]

Just found n shared it on TT. Thanks Jerry

[@honeybadger8303]

This is so informative! Thank you!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching again

[@teckmenglee8060]

THank you so much for this sharing. I learned a lot. Thanks.

[@siamcharm7904]

thank you jerry. shared as always. 82 and breezy inn phuket.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks for that! It's stunningly cold here today, three days ago it was 26C, today its 4C... Brrr, I wish I was with you there

[@andrewfrennier3494]

Jerry! Jerry!🎉🎉 great video. The U.S. Constitution originally had US Senators elected indirectly by state legislatures. That only changed in 1913. When people complain to me about Chinese elections, I mention this. And the electoral college. 😊 In the year I was born there were only 12 primaries in the country; party bosses at conventions picked the candidates before that. President Xi and I share chemical engineering. I know how hard one has to work for that degree. As a contrast, Joe Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate when I was in elementary school! He spent almost his entire life on the public payroll. He likes to boast about his family’s poor origins, but he never has stories to share of his own labor hardships.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

What a great insight that is Andrew, I had no idea - I am aware that in most cases when modern democracy was formed, it was only for wealthy landowners and not even their wives, there have been developments but none of them seem to change the end result - at least not in modern days

[@andrewfrennier3494]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 thank you. That’s my job here; to be the insightful American. Knowing the history and the present, I can explain things to both sides.

[@DW-op7ly]

Yes I read by 2040 70% of the American people will be represented by 30 Senators Where 70 Senators will represent 30% of the people When I debate some Americans on that electoral college they tend to point there is no mention of Democracy in the Constitution. And that America is a Constitutional Republic

[@andrewfrennier3494]

@@DW-op7ly yes they are anti democracy. It is very common where I live. However I have answered their response in an article some time ago. When they say not a democracy but a constitutional republic, ask them what MECHANISM is used to choose representatives in the constitution. They are elected by democracy! Even in the electoral college.They are not picked by der Fuhrer. So correct their statement into “we are a constitutional republic that chooses its representatives by democracy.” QED

[@andrewfrennier3494]

This is from the constitution. Ask them how the people are intended to chose representatives The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

[@user-eo1qx4ti9d]

What I like the most is the 5 years plan for the country. When goal is set, they just keep moving. Moving forward one step at a time

[@nikitakhrushchev.4602]

Thank you

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

You're welcome

[@Lululemon2023]

Thank you for the very informative summary on how democracy works in these three countries ❤

[@saikauleung1198]

Bravo!!! Great video. Very well explained. Thank you sir. 🙏

[@budilee6027]

Thank you Jerry, another good example you have shared with us, learning new things all the time listening to your channel, thank you and keep it up and keep going. Thank you. 😊

[@patasalada2726]

Thanks Jerry, you finally got to the teal point! Good video!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Than you

[@Baobabaloo]

Very insightful! Thanks for sharing! 🙂

[@ratnabahadurgurung9850]

Nice talked sir.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks

[@sarahpeace7066]

Nice one Jerry! Thank you so much for this informative video.👍

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you again Sarah

[@firefly4326]

Thanks for explaining Jerry

[@Dinerell]

Whenever it is talked about democracy it reminds me of the german proffesor for psychology Rainer Mausfeld but I can't find any english translations. There are conditions which need to be met to secure that in a democracy that explictly all people reign over the state and they're nothing that is easy to achieve and China just does the better job in being democratic.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I've read some of his work but only in German using Google Translate, I agree, China does a pretty decent job

[@harrovian2009]

❤❤❤❤❤ well said. I love your practical thinking

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you

[@marlbankian]

Excellent food for thought

[@christianvanneuves9958]

Very much to the point!

[@fluffingfluff]

What a wonderful video

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you

[@user-ic7mv6bj4w]

Great video 👍

[@kwokyuen1997]

A very good piece for thought, thanks!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you, it's turning out to be one of my more popular videos

[@ciclariful]

Me encantó. Gracias Jerry

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you too

[@gozitan5]

Hear hear 👏🏼👏🏼…thanks !

[@johnconcepcion6646]

Excellent explanation

[@qd7343]

Fully respect, you are cool and knowledgeable man..

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Gosh, thanks!

[@hongqingxiang3374]

Thank you very much🙂🙏👍🙏

[@ngoyemichel5406]

Great video, i loved on China and i was trying to explain this point of view recently to a friend, i just didnt have enough knowledge

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thank you, please feel free to share any of my videos or articles with other, especially if they are open minded enough to ask questions rather than just constantly criticice something they don't know anything about!

[@pranaamerta8015]

Very interesting. Thank you

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Very welcome, thank you

[@manpunyay3762]

Good description

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Glad you think so, thank you

[@olafsrensen9578]

Thats so go to be ejucated by you Jerry. I thought I was relativly well informed, but theres a lot I dont know in details although I hav been a leftwinger for many years .

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Thanks Olaf, I'm certain there are many things you can teach me that I don't know, I think it's just different experiences - I've also been around a while and spent time in different environments where I picked up a little of this kind of information

[@familiahh5146]

Great video

[@g9qtpi]

👍👍

[@sciagurrato1831]

What? China doesn’t have a House of Lords? I’m shocked, simply shocked.

[@timmytan5476]

Well said

[@guytruth5598]

Good explanation

[@mobiuszero1018]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -Winston Churchill

[@nledaig]

Well he'd say that being an upper-class twit who got the bum's rush when his function was past.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

He would but he said a lot of things that made sense, he knew from the very first day he entered politics that it was geared up to benefit him - he needed money and getting a ministry was the best way for him to get it - it's an interesting story if yuo actually read about his life, he was mostly broke and writing wasn't paying good income for him so politics would!

[@rap3208]

I agree. Churchill was saying the average voter is not really that informed of the issues and the candidates enough to be an intelligent voter. Voting only really works if the general populace are that intelligent and informed. Most of the times, elections really are like beauty pageants - it depends on who is the most charismatic, beautiful and has the most supporters - financially and vote-wise.

[@nledaig]

Nope. The public schoolboys and lassies do not want the plebs voting or unionised or having health care. Then and now these "educated" pricks remain the same as they ever were.@@rap3208

[@georwoogle]

👍👍👍

[@ron9465]

The more and more you look at the Chinese system the more you realise how well it works especially comparing it with our UK system and US system. Just visit China and look around you and you will quickly see the dramatic difference. Highly educated, high achievers with a long term vision. People like Liz Truss wouldn't be qualified to make the tea in China never mind run the country.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I think she's be ok making tea but might need a little training :-))

[@lhwong7906]

Jerry, hope you can make a video to give more detail on system of governance of China especially shine lights on how the locals elect their representative like when do they have their local election? Do every region or village have local election? Etc.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I have done a series of videos on this and yes, they do elect local representatives who then elect regiona representatives, it's all available for you in other videos I've made already - contact me by email if you need more information I can't link them all here but I can on an email

[@Sissyphussy]

Just found your channel tonight whilst attempting to find alternative sources and views on China to try and de-programme myself as I undertake a university module on Chinese Politics currently... as expected, it's all about authoritarianism, anti-democracy. No nuance. I will continue to watch your videos throughout the remainder of my degree. You seem really well-read, can I ask if there are any sources on Chinese politics you could recommend? Either academic articles, or News Outlets?... most sources from my uni are neoliberal/liberal and vehemently anti-communist, or otherwise idealist not materialist in their analyses. Anyway, this video is amazing, you seem great! Gained a subscriber! Power to you Jerry 🙂

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

Hi and thank you. Welcome aboard - as for well read, I do try to keep abreast but, as you've discovered it's really hard to find good sources, I'm lucky enough to live in the "dragon's den" and experience it on a day to day basis. KZbin doesn't allow links to outside sources usually, it will delete the response without letting me know the resonse was deleted so I'll go on thinking I've provided and answer while you're wondering why I haven't... I'd suggest the best thing would be to send me an email and I'll link you to many different places as well as provide answers for all of your questions and can even, if you need it help you with the research from my ground floor view of China, if you need me too. I suspect you're going to have an open mind, look for truth and be criticised for not following the narrative in your course, but I hope I'm wrong, there are some VERY good lecturers out there, one of them is my interview subject this evening and he might be worth your while watching - Warwick Powell of Queensland University of Technology, another one worth looking into is John Ross, a British born economist here in China, and MArtin Jacques, another British born academic with a different to mainstream view of China. Many of my sources of information are here in China, but not all, I link to qute a few government and academic sources too - which is why it's so hard for people without a background in academia to prove me wrong and why people who do have a background in academia don't bother trying, they know I usually have the facts, figures and supporting research to support my comments. Take a look at the Ministry of State Information and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it's also worth watching what happens and reading the work reports and Chairman's speeches from the Two Sessions going back a few years - they usually let us know what they plan and so things like the crackdown on Property investment, the changes in Finance regulations, the dramatic changes to Education and the investigations into corruption in Pharmaceuticals, which seem to catch all the Western media unaware didn't surprise me, or anyone else who pays attention, because they told us it was coming well before it happened. In other words, watch what China says it's going to do and then observe what it actually does - they are usually consistent, albeit with some modifications brought about by changing circumstances My email is "jerry_grey2002 at yahoo dot com dot au" please feel free to contact me directly

[@hongqingxiang3374]

🙏👍🙏Thank YOU for being a proactive seeker (and critical thinker) to understand from multiple perspectives🙏

[@Sissyphussy]

@@jerrystakeonchina799 Hi Jerry! You say to reach out and, well, I really need your help! I'm currently trying to write my undergrad dissertation for uni and the topic I have chosen is about the financialisation and state involvement in social care ( elderly care homes, long term disability residences, autism specialists, mental health services, brain injury rehabs, the like!). I'm thinking about exploring how the adult care sector in the UK has been financialised and run for profit by exploring who owns these homes in a dramatic increase in sell offs, likely focusing on 'Asset Manager Society'. Whilst I'm able to find info for the UK, I'm reaching out to you because I was hoping to compare the UK model of Neoliberal capitalism with another country, notably one that isn't overly capitalist and has state ownership in specific sectors. (So I guess the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba are the obvious choices) I would most like to explore China's adult social care sector though..but I'm finding it immensely difficult to find recourses on this. If any! Now, I do know (and it might be why it's so difficult to find info): that Asian countries, generally, care for the elderly intergenerationally. Yet, I have found several articles about how this is changing with modern gens being unable to care for their families, and care homes are becoming a larger staple. Also, whilst this may be custom for elderly parents, I'm not just interested in elderly but also wider adult social care services (learning disabilities, autism specialists mental health support etc) for those who can't live in the community. Whilst I acknowledge social care will differ across China, across eras of history, and across regions, particularly across rural regions. I still would like to know if you can answer any of the following questions in a general sense? If you (or anyone!) can, them it would be amazing for my research, allowing me to include China in a topic not spoken about in western academia currently! I appreciate it!! (1) What kind of institutions are available in China for supporting vulnerable people? (If possible to get data on it, how many people use these services? I imagine this will not be easy to answer though, so please ignore this (and any other) questions you're not sure about or don't have the time to explain! Even anecdotal evidence is fine! I just need a general idea at this point!) (2) Who owns Social Care in China? Private companies? Or the state? (3) Is social care considered seperate from health care as it is in other countries? (On that note , does anyone have an idea of who owns healthcare institutions in China also? Might be easier to determine this than in social care?) (4) How does China view, support, and speak about "non productive" citizens? What's the government's rhetoric about non productive persons? Are there disability rights opposition to the Chinese gov approach ? Perhaps China has a long way to go? But hopefully, I'd imagine, if guided by Marxist principles, each should get what they need regardless of their abilities to be productive citizens! Ultimately, yeah! I don't know if it's a firewall thing or what, but I'm really struggling to find any sources on this! Does anyone know ANYTHING at all about Chinese Health and Social Care that could point me in a certain direction?! So that's just about China's social care generally, but as for asset management elements of ownership, I wanted to speak about China because Brett Christophers' notes in his new book about how China does NOT run their residential and real estate through AM. But, if I keep my focus on social care, this might not make China a good example for comparison. I hope so though! I know this is a difficult topic to research because of the anonymity of most asset managers though too and maybe I should have just chosen a different topic! But it's so interesting 💁🏻‍♂️ I've already found several UK Care home companies owned by, say, the Kuwaiti Sovereign Fund...it's wild! Ultimately, any gov documents, data, articles, or studies are more than welcomed. It would be much appreciated by anyone who reads this also 🥹. I think talking to people IN China might be the only way to access this kinda info! (Pls reply even if you just type out a sentence or even a word! It could really help me.) (And Jerry, please don't feel obligated to reply to even half of this long message if you don't want to!! Even just a couple words from you!) Power to you all ✊🏻 🇨🇳

[@nureke-dp1nw]

You forgot to mention the other main hierarchy, which is Freemason's one. The head of the English rite is the Duke of York, the cousin uncle of King Charles, or the king himself. All the members of the English rite must follow all his commands without questioning!

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

I don't know anything about this but I'd be happy to research more, if you have sources

[@liferetriever4188]

Everything you say is right.

[@ahkoy973]

Abraham Lincoln quote: Real democracy is government of the people, for the people, by the people ❤

[@martinlevy9729]

Someone ought to tell Biden that.

[@tonyatfox]

Tis true democracy is a name without meaning

[@KheeLiangPhoa-co6zb]

❤

[@user-jl8wg2eh3f]

If you've never known poverty, you're never going to understand poverty. If you don't understand poverty, you're ignoring it. If you're ignoring it, you're not going to do anything about it. If you're not going to do anything about it, you're never going to be a leader for the people.

[@jerrystakeonchina799]

This is true, people who know, know!