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[@jon8700]

I’m a Reds fan, and we got Scott Hatteberg after his time in Oakland and he was such a great player and class act.

[@frankisfunny2007]

Yes, Moneyball is based on the 2002 Oakland Athletics. Billy Beane was the guy in charge of the team, at that time. He was the GM of the A's from 1997 to 2015. He's now the senior advisor to King Asshole -- I mean Oakland owner, John Fisher.

[@SylviusTheMad]

Beane is also part owner of the team. Since Oakland couldn't afford to pay him in money, they paid him in shares of the team.

[@brandondillman5841]

Money Ball is a great film/movie. Most people's critique is that they focus so much on the role players in the movie while neglecting the fact that they had the MVP of the league in Miguel Tejada, another great hitter in Eric Chavez and an absolutely loaded starting rotation and those guys are never even mentioned outside of 1 line where they mention Tejada took a walk.

[@sld1776]

There's always somebody mentioning Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez, and the three starting pitchers. The A's got them through the draft. The movie is about extending the championship window of those players. This implicit criticism is so stupid.

[@karlries2854]

​@@sld1776 How could the movie be about "extending the championship window of those players" if they are hardly ever mentioned beyond seeing their jersey or hearing their name in a side conversation?

[@orlandocast7941]

@@sld1776exactly the scouts for the A’s used to be the best at drafting good talent, the movie makes them come off as dummies

[@stackhat8624]

2002 was a much better season for Tejada than his previous two. Not that they were bad, he still hit over 100 RBIs but 2002 was a quite a jump. You could argue that the stats and analytics focus helped him.

[@stackhat8624]

@@orlandocast7941 No, it portrayed the scouts as close minded and resistant to change and unable to see solutions to problems. A's lose Jason Giambi to the Yankees and Beane comes up with a solution to fill Giambi's production without signing or trading for a huge name. Now that the scene with Beane and the scouts at the table talking about the replacements for Giambi wouldn't be historically accurate, I believe Giambi's brother Jeremy was already on the A's but they talk about signing him (I think, haven't watched the movie in about 8 years). But it represented what Beane was trying to do and the pushback he was getting. But Beane did get resistance from scouts, managers, coaches etc. Thats a fact. Identifying young talent that will spend years going through college and/or minor leagues is different from getting players on a budget that need to produce immediately and not years down the track.

[@victory4history]

"I'll pray for you and your family." Is commonly said down south after being offered a life changing opportunity.

[@cm9241]

I'm from the south and I have never once heard "I'll pray for you" used postitively. It's almost always used condescendingly.

[@victory4history]

@@cm9241 You have never provided someone a life changing opportunity who is incredibly religious then.

[@cm9241]

@@victory4history you mean have I ever offered an incredibly religious person millions of dollars? No shit.

[@victory4history]

@@cm9241 If your an atheist, then ya the people you hang out would use “I’ll pray for you.” Of course it would come off poorly. You don’t need to be rich to provide life changing opportunities. You need purpose, determination, and skills.

[@pweverka]

Read the book by Michael Lewis. At spring training after the book came out my wife walked up to Billy Beane and said, “Brad Pitt should play you in the movie.” True story.

[@nathanpitek3177]

Moneyball is a great film. The Streak really is iconic. More memorable than most WS winners tbh

[@-solo-.-CH]

Did tampa break it a few years ago using the same tactic? I can't remember. 22 or something

[@bmr209]

@@-solo-.-CH cleveland broke it in 2017

[@ronclark9724]

Baseball is a team sport where the best teams lose a third of their games and the worst teams win a third of the games. Whether you team comes in first or last depends upon if you win or lose the remaining third of the games. Another fact most fans do not realize is that around half the players in the team's uniform every day are pitchers. Not every team draws 2 million fans to their stadium every year, even fewer draw 3 million fans. I bring that subject up because baseball has a very weak salary cap, the only money shared between the teams is from a national TV contract. All teams' finances are mostly generated locally with their own TV contracts broadcasting every game and from ticket holders watching the games at the stadium. The larger the fan base, the richer the team is.

[@Timmycoo]

As an A's fan, this was a great era. So many of the players were underdogs but they were household names in my school as we all would go to the games as they were super cheap at the time. They had a thing called "Two Dollar Tuesdays" and a bunch of us would skip class to go to the game for $2 tickets and dollar hotdogs. This movie brought back so much nostalgia for me and the Pitt/Hill combo really killed it. A movie I can watch countless times.

[@stoneyopinion767]

You don't need to be a baseball fan to like Moneyball. It's just a great film. A great story, that happens to involve baseball.

[@stackhat8624]

yes!

[@raezor82]

It’s essentially a film about thinking differently.

[@nathanlawson313]

Great sports movie and 90% true.. -Billy Bean is still part of the A's -They lost the world series -Stars got poached to higher bids -Rebuilt using advanced metrics -Next year made it back to championship including a record win streak, lost again. -Boston stole model following year (but with far deeper pockets) and won it all themselves. Everything else was dramatized/added

[@HDreamer]

Not to mention the Owner eventually ran the team intentionally in the ground to move it to Vegas.

[@cancerstinks1]

RIP the Oakland As

[@colinsweetzir3403]

Mags saying “I’m praying for you” is definitely a culture thing, as a “good cristian man” in the us praying for someone is a great act of kindness, especially if you think they have helped you such as Billy did for him

[@legochickenguy4938]

This movie is a great movie and indeed (loosely) based on a true story, but it's not totally accurate and omits some important information (cus it's a movie and doesn't have time to explain everything). The 2002 A's had the best trio of starting pitchers in the MLB in Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, and Mark Mulder, and A's players won both the AL Cy Young (Zito) and MVP (Miguel Tejada), and those players are hardly mentioned in the film. The A's had a very talented team, which the movie wouldn't lead you to believe, but were able to use "moneyball" extremely effectively to fill out their roster in a way that changed baseball permanently. Another thing is that the A's manager, Art Howe (portrayed by Philip Seymour Hoffman), was actually on board with the plan in real life, but they made him opposed to it to add drama to the movvie.

[@sld1776]

Again, why do people feel the need to bring down the movie for something it didn't set out to do? It's all so stupid.

[@legochickenguy4938]

@@sld1776 i'm not bringing down the movie, i literally said in my comment that it'd be unreasonable to expect the movie to explain reality perfectly (and it'd make for a worse movie). just saying what actually happened for people who may not know.

[@stackhat8624]

Cool, thats 57 wins from those 3. Is that going to get you to the playoffs? Doesn't matter if you have 3 good starting pitchers and 2 good hitters if the rest of your team sucks ass. You're not getting to the playoffs on a few good players. Baseball isn't basketball. Those players aren't mentioned because thats not what the movie is about. The movie is NOT about the A's 2002 season. I suggest you watch the movie again and work out what it is actually about.

[@legochickenguy4938]

@@stackhat8624 Where did I once claim that all of their success was from those 5 players? I'm just telliing people the full story; I'm not even criticizing the movie. I suggest you read my comment again and work out what it is actually about.

[@cvtuttle]

Seriously one of my favorite movies of all time and I don't even like baseball. It's a story about change and thinking differently. I love it.

[@isaiahpavia-cruz678]

Jonah Hill’s character is actually based on Paul dePodesta. He became the GM for the Dodgers in 2005. The team had a 71-91 season, and he was fired after that. Though it must be said, team ownership was terrible at the time as well

[@NDiT4_1]

He did have success working front office for the Cleveland Browns and Indians (Guardians) Edit: Thought he went back to the Indians after working for the A's. He's just been working a while for the Browns and helped make the Deshaun Watson trade (ew)

[@supersasukemaniac]

That's literally the Dodgers though, their ownership is either a horrible mess, or the League waiting to off load them on another owner, that turns out to be even more horrible.

[@Commnkurtesy]

He became the GM in 2004, and took them to a division title before that 2005 season. That season was also extremely unfortunate for the Dodgers as they struggled mightily with injuries.

[@isaiahpavia-cruz678]

@@Commnkurtesy oh yeah the Steve Finley grand slam year!

[@MarkMonforti]

So glad you figured it out it was based on real story, its the whole point

[@DNReacts]

Loved this movie, was awesome! Appreciate the comment thank you

[@ramonalfaro3252]

I am a musician raised in a baseball-obsessed family. My oldest Brother played on the USA 1984 Silver Medal Team. I was forced to watch a lot of baseball & learned baseball by sheer osmosis. As kind of an outsider, I often thought about baseball from a different POV & often wondered why the guy who hits the ball a mile but strikes out a lot is more valuable than the guy who couldn't hit it out of the infield, but got a hundred walks & was always on base. It amazes me how unimaginative sports-minded people are.

[@scottjgrant3345]

10:42 i travelled to Florida for vacation and i visited a Nike/golf store and i started feeling sick to my stomach and decided to sit outside to catch some fresh air and a woman coming out of the store walked over to me and comforted me and told me she'd pray for me and her husband came out of the store a few minutes and they wished me well and left. That's just the culture.

[@-EchoesIntoEternity-]

next the lads ought to watch Draft Day with Kevin Costner

[@ragnarocking]

Moneyball is a true story.

[@aTofuJunkie]

Brad Pitt's character, Billy Beane is now a minority owner of the A's, and funny fact is his last MLB appearance was with the A's in 1989.

[@downrighttt]

I’m still so thankful my grandparents surprised me with a trip to the movies to see this on a random school day. It’s my favorite sports movie of all time (sorry, Ed) and arguably responsible for me being a massive baseball, and advanced stats, fan for life.

[@moose2_the_o756]

Love the reaction, guys. The Catcher usually has one of the best arms on the field, and takes a toll on your knees. 1B rarely throws the ball except for starting a throw around after an out with empty bases. 1B needs to be flexible and has to have one of the best hand-to-eye coordination on the team. Outside of "picking" up short throws to first, 1B don't need a lot of other defensive abilities, which is why many 1B eventually become designated hitters when they get older.

[@davidpost428]

One of the best films about sports ever. So glad that you got to watch and appreciate it!

[@stackhat8624]

Its more than just a sports movie and I think that is what makes it great. I showed it to a friend who knew absolutely nothing about baseball and he loved it.

[@gregcable3250]

Might want to watch "The Natural" with Robert Redford. One of my favorite baseball movies. "Pride of the Yankees" about Lou Gehrig is a classic. But for a change of pace try "The Bad News Bears" with Walter Mathau for a laugh.

[@thomast8539]

Sportsfans and other folks that want to complain about this film missing out on details or manipulating the actual story need to remember this simple fact. This is not a baseball movie any more than Jaws was a shark movie. This is a film about people that has baseball elements mixed into the fabric. It tells a story that audiences care about and that is it. Its simple.

[@rolandcooke]

I'm a Brit living in the USA, here's a some things Brits might not understand about baseball (and I'm no expert, so caveat internet emptor). A Premier League season is 38 games. A baseball season is 162 games (and then more for the teams that qualify for the post-season that culminates in the World Series) So statistically the tiny areas of benefit have a greater chance to add up over time in baseball. That's what Moneyball is essentially all about, exploiting those tiny benefits over the length of the season. And you are now seeing this kind of micro-analysis in football (soccer), for example a throw-in specialist was recently added to the Liverpool back-room staff. In cricket there's maybe six bowlers, albeit only two or three are the specialists. All of the bowlers are part of the field eleven and there are no substitutions except for injury AFAIK. In baseball there is only pitcher on the field at a time, but a whole rack of backup pitchers in the "bullpen" who can be substituted at any time. But once substituted, the relieved pitcher can't come back later. Pitching is very wearing and tearing, and since the season is so long, managing your pitching roster over the course of a game, and over the length of the season, is critical. From Quora: > The number of pitchers in the bullpen depends on the number of pitchers a team has on its roster (both the regular 26-man and to some extent the extended 40-man roster can influence this number.) For example, the Yankees have 14 pitchers on their 26-man roster. With one of those pitchers starting they have 13 in their bullpen. (The actual number available to pitch in the game that day is less than that. The Yankees have 5 starters in their regular rotation and it is unlikely any of the other starters will be called on to pitch in relief, as one example.) < qr.ae/pKLOx7

[@briansjohnson17]

I'm an Angels fan and the best thing about this year was the Angels won the World Series. There is a doc on the season on here. I watch it twice a year bc it was the best year. I'm 46 so it's been years of misery

[@paulbilger3782]

A lot of people forget that the Angels were a wild card team.

[@briansjohnson17]

@paulbilger3782 was the best thing bc we beat up on the Twins that year. Yankees also

[@timbeatty8411]

Great reaction guys.

[@jameshurley9551]

Where Beane was when he was driving? He 100% could have turned around gotten to the coliseum and found parking in that much time. Its super easy to get to A's ballpark from where he was driving (I know that area very well). Parking at the stadium is super easy too!

[@JoeBlow_4]

Glad you got to that film. I love it as well. Great baseball movie.

[@michaelb.3982]

I would love to see your reaction to the last twenty five minutes of "Friday Night Lights ". ( the movie)

[@Mkproduction2]

You know you're a Baseball Nerd when your copy of Bill James "Historical Baseball Abstract" has more Stains, dog ears, tears and folds than your favorite Braves game jersey from 1966.... Rick Charleston SC

[@jameswg13]

Billy Beane now has ownership or involvement in football clubs as well. And clubs like brighton especially use databases and things like football manager to find potential gems

[@rolandcooke]

Billy Beane is a regular guest on the Men In Blazers podcast / KZbin. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnPLmKqVeJyJiJI - that's from their live tour last year.

[@jameswg13]

The guy they sent down in that trade was a few games before he could get his MLB pension. Being dropped and cut he then didnt get that and in the end had to become a maths teacher

[@scottgodlewski306]

In America, it's common to hear people say they'll pray for you. Or "God bless you" when you didn't sneeze or "have blessed day". We're a VERY Christian country.

[@larrypope5142]

This movie is not boring. There is a brilliant humor about the way they handled their decisions and how people were pulling their hair out.

[@jordanroberts1519]

The main problem that this mindset created was the 3 True Outcome rule in baseball. Essentially, teams were incentivizing players to be homerun or walk hitters, with a lot of strikeouts in between (3 Outcomes = homer, walk, or strikeout). After this mindset permeated multiple other 'small market' clubs, the enjoyment of baseball as entertainment began to wain. Games would take longer because clubs would use excessive relievers to get specific hitters out, hitters always swung for the fence instead of playing situational baseball, and the overall product got very boring. Recent rule changes have helped return some of that old feel, but until teams abandon OBP as a stat, its always going to be in the background of the sport.

[@scottharvey6892]

Moneyball is a true story. Beane was part of the making of the movie. I remember all the trades involved at the time.

[@StewartUSAF]

This is the same kind of statistically driven mentality that Brentford has used in the Prem.

[@JackLikesCarrots]

a really underrated baseball movie i think you guys would like is The Final Season

[@kbob9625]

I think you underestimate how long a fucking inning in baseball is lol.

[@distemic]

Love this movie. Saw you’ve watched sandlot. The guy who plays the Red Sox owner played adult smalls at the end of sandlot

[@CaptainFirefred]

Rule of Thumb if you wonder if it's fictional or a real story with sports movies is, when the team is real, the story is based in reality. Ted Lasso being the exception because it's a late result of a football ad campaign to bring the Premiere League to america on TV.

[@kingcarl2012]

@dnreacts If you guys enjoyed this you should really check out Draft day. The whole movie basically takes place over 1 day at the nfl draft

[@accountable9026]

My favorite movie. Looking forward to this.

[@jaredlackey9177]

This is a great one. After this you need to see Trouble With The Curve. It's a rebuttal to this view of baseball in a lot of ways and also a great film.

[@jjackoway]

Time has 100% proved them right. It took years and years, but slowly and surely, the talking heads were silenced, and the whole league was forced to accept that the math doesn't lie. The entirety of MLB is more or less run this way now.

[@alexisborden3191]

I was scrolling through Mike Petriello's twitter and he was talking about analytics with regards to football and some guy was being an old school stick in the mud "stats are fake" guy, and Mike said more or less "I knew people like you in baseball 10 years ago, they don't work in baseball anymore."

[@marcuspi999]

Love this movie.

[@raezor82]

If you haven’t read the book yet, I definitely recommend it. I saw the movie, then got the book, and had to force myself not to read the whole thing in one day, that’s how good it was.

[@matthewhunt7665]

The natural and talent for the game are 2 baseball movies that most people don't mention for everyone to watch. I suggest you watch those also

[@jameshurley9551]

All of the baseball in this movie is real. Not sure how much of the background drama was correct but I do know Billy Beane was going against the tide. I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly accurate. GM's and players are hot heads.

[@praxton]

Yeah someone telling you that they're pray for you is not uncommon here. It's as awkward as you would think.

[@michaelgray4964]

I'd suggest reading the book and getting the whole story, told more accurately. When Hollywood gets hold of a book, things get twisted sometimes. OTOH, the bones of this plot is pretty accurate.

[@pduidesign]

You should really check out DRAFT DAY with Kevin Costner if you look behind the scenes trading and numbers in sports. This movie is about American football. A really great movie like Moneyball. ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOVED THAT TRADING SCENE IMAGINE ALMOST AN ENTIRE MOVIE JUST LIKE THAT!!

[@pwnchmonkey1]

yes its true

[@bigtate1439]

MAN, this movie hits especially hard for us here in California because the A's are moving to Vegas. I used to live in Oakland and it hurts my heart to see all three of their professional sports franchises leave. First the Raiders, then the Warriors, now the A's. It's especially hard to see because Oakland is notorious for being one of the craziest, most fun fanbases. A good example is this video of people RAGING to Metallica for Grant Balfour's entrance in 2013: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZvGqIuGrrCEa5o Or this video where the pitcher needs a timeout because the fans are chanting SELL THE TEAM and it's too loud to hear the pitch calls in HIS OWN earpiece: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZOZoaaXj6mibdE Embracing of underdog culture and the overlooked individual is such an Oakland thing, Moneyball is just so Oakland. It's truly heartbreaking but I'm happy for all the memories of good times at the Oakland Coliseum. This was a great year (2002) for California baseball. The Moneyball Athletics were the greatest thing in sports AND the Anaheim Angels beat the San Francisco Giants in the World Series. Funny enough I moved from Anaheim to San Francisco as an 8 year old that year. 20:53 They purposely showed that it was still the 4th inning because the Royals were rallying and the A's couldn't get out of the inning. Especially before pitch clocks, an inning with a lot of scoring used to take forever. Moneyball is one of my favorite films and I'm so happy you guys got to see it. How can you not love a story of underdogs like this? Putting together a roster of misfits, winning 19 games in a row and changing the game, then to win the 20th game in that fashion: giving up an 11-0 lead, then walking off with a rejected goods player who couldn't throw. It's literally so corny you would laugh if this was put in a Hollywood script.

[@johneconomy6152]

Plz, start watching more movies!!! Doesn't need to be sports.

[@Biostalker420]

Billy... Never did get that ring. Even my beloved Cubs finally dropped a 1 in the win column after a 108 years since then.

[@AlexValadez]

Statistics, probabilities. Really did change the game. Personally i prefer the older style but see the benefits of following the numbers too. You just need to find the right balance at times imo. Also, it's just sad to watch considering what's happened with the A's as of late.

[@alexisborden3191]

What do you mean the older style, the approach now is objectively better, and wins more games and championships than the old approach does. That said yeah it sucks for Oakland fans, the A's were a shit-ass team for years but at least they had history and a few moments over the years. They don't deserve to lose their team, John Fisher is an asshole and deserves nothing but bad things.

[@Efilnikufesin76]

@@alexisborden3191 Now that everyone does analytics, and to be clear it was done before this movie was made and also done before the idea of this movie was made, and before the A's employed it at the time. How do we judge players now?

[@alexisborden3191]

​@@Efilnikufesin76 Oh definitely agreed, there were some teams that were clued in to OBP, but I think its safe to say that the A's implemented a huge step in how extensive some stats could be used, and certain approach things they mentioned like pointing out to Justice which pitches he hit well and which ones he didn't and where. As for nowadays, now with a bunch of different stats. Mostly teams have their own tweaked versions of stats like wRC+, but also defensive metrics like DRS, UZR, OAA. For pitchers its more statcast based, teams mostly have their own versions of things similar to Eno Sarris' metrics Stuff+ and Location+. For the public, I'd say its probably a mix of OPS+ and wRC+ for hitting, OAA or DRS for defense and K rate, BB rate and HR rate for pitchers, or the component parts of FIP. And then bWAR if you wanna condense all that down to a rough number, fWAR if you're feelin a little spicy, or talking about a catcher.

[@mjuang9]

Honestly, I think is this what Chelsea is trying to do right now, basing who they buy based on data.

[@antonytomas1]

It's a professional sport.. data and stats show how people play. Who do you want teams to base their rosters on?? Who has the best smile or the fullest head of hair?

[@GooseGumlizzard]

Good movie but very dishonest about that A’s team. The movie focuses on a couple of minor players and doesn’t even mention that the team was loaded with star players including AL MVP and AL CY Young.

[@johnwray393]

Best rotation in baseball at the time as well, not even really mentioned.

[@jaykaufman9782]

It's a true story, but much criticized. Many people attacked Michael Lewis's original book, "Moneyball: The Story of an Unfair Game." The same happened with his other famous sports book, "The Blind Side." (Yeah, he wrote both books. He also wrote "The Big Short" which also became a massive movie, the one about the 2008 bank crash.) People also criticized the filmmakers who made "Moneyball." I take the view I take with many revisionists: Lewis is probably 80-90% accurate, and his critics might add 8-9% to those totals, and the balance they both got wrong. But, yeah, it's a true story.

[@Liprocky]

Need to watch miracle with Kurt Russell next it’s a classic

[@DNReacts]

The reaction is up on our Patreon now ☺️

[@colefrench5146]

It 100% is based on the true story of the 2002 Oakland Athletics team and their incredible winning streak that ultimately led a seemingly lost season and turned it into a playoff appearance. All of the players and trades and signings and games and records are accurate. Obviously this is a movie of course so I doubt every single interaction and personality was accurate but still.

[@tdsportscards]

Great movie...true story

[@hobbgreen4529]

the best baseball movie is field of dreams .

[@happyfunball3266]

The manager of the Athletics hated this film because it made it look like he was an idiot who had nothing to do with the success of the team.

[@hobbgreen4529]

A very funny old baseball movie to watch is .... Kill the umpire ... starring william bendix .

[@threeminuteshate]

My favorite sports movie. I don’t think you need to like sports to really enjoy this film.

[@stoneyopinion767]

It's not loosely based on a true story. It's pretty tightly based on a true story with only some of the characters names changed.

[@TaTopePia]

You didn't show your reaction to the scene where the minor leaguer didn't realize he hit a home run! Favorite scene in the movie! Glad you're continuing your dive into baseball, how can you not be romantic about it.

[@adeliabarnwell8621]

Read the book!

[@voltagex5799]

You guys should watch draft day it's a football movie it's rly good

[@MariJeanMelissa]

Rec movie:Draft Day

[@Jordanmode]

Every movie based on a true story is still fiction. It can’t help but be. No matter how closely they attempt to follow the events, it’s still a dramatization. But, yeah, it’s based on a true story. This story more or less happened. There are differences to the events, some more egregious than others, but it pretty much happens.

[@Lewis9700]

It's based on a true story

[@BigOleMatty]

another good sports movie is the legend of bagger vance i think that would be a good react

[@ernestorodriguez791]

👍🏾

[@mikemath9508]

this is a math movie not a sports movie love it

[@natethomas6879]

One of my absolute favorite films 🤩 You should watch the movie “American Underdog” it’s based on the unbelievable true story of Kurt Warner

[@aTofuJunkie]

I would recommend watching the KZbin Documentary, 1998 to 2001 The Greatest Show on Turf, first.

[@christopherking4932]

Awesome reaction/ can you please watch a movie called ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.

[@randallwong7196]

The movie takes real people ( like Howe and Grady Fuson ) and gives them a bad attitude to create conflict. They weren't really like that. The movie is interesting enough without having to resort to making the story more cliche. Other bits and pieces of the book are modified / changed for the movie story.

[@zincsupplylow7519]

This movie was good but why don’t you folk give yourself a giggle and watch the movie SLAP SHOT or MAJOR LEAGUE or TIN CUP

[@AphelionBeach]

At bat being successful is hitting 3/10.... 😮

[@MarkMonforti]

Even better when you watched those three guys they lost for their whole career. So poignant about there perceived value vs their real value. This team changed everything every team reevaluated their scouting. Even purple watching the game demand different stats during the game.

[@timkillian1469]

Never seen a baseball movie? Bull Durham has to be your next one.

[@viktorvaughn7341]

Major League is a great one too

[@mattguz55]

As an A's fan, this is a painful one to watch these days.

[@Trapper50cal]

I'm expecting this to translate well to you Brits....it's not really a baseball movie as much as it is a pro sport management movie.

[@zachgates7491]

Now watch The Simpsons episode in which Bart and his team incorporate Moneyball statistics, making baseball “as much fun as doing your taxes.” BTW, the film Bull Durham might be worth a look.

[@aTofuJunkie]

Nowadays Moneyball is proven not to work as well as people think it does. Look for the SF Giants as an example. Farhan Zaidi their President/GM of Player Contracts, was part of the A's around the same time as this time period, and was with the LA Dodgers and left after. They looked better in player transactions after he left. The SF Giants have Billions at their disposal and they regulate themselves to no-names.

[@alexisborden3191]

I guess it depends what you consider to me moneyball. If moneyball is using advanced statistics, than every single team is doing moneyball, they're looking at spin rates and exit velos and CSW% and OAA. If moneyball is trying to exploit 'market innefficiencies' in order to avoid spending money than yeah its a failure, most teams now have a pretty good idea of which players are good, and the most effective and productive players are paid accordingly, money buys wins nowadays more than ever. If there was ever a team that was doing Moneyball today it'd be the Rays, and they really only have limited success. Player development and scouting is the new force multiplier, and the Rays are very good at it, particularly with pitching, but the Astros and Dodgers are also good at it too and they have the money to keep transcendent players around longterm, players like Mookie Betts, and Freddie Freeman, and Shohei Ohtani. Not to mention they've been able to get more out of seemingly washed up veterans like Jason Heyward, JD Martinez, Lance Lynn, Andrew Heaney, Tyler Anderson, etc. On the Astros side they've managed to extend Jose Altuve, Alex Bregman, Yordan Alvarez, Lance McCullers, Christian Javier, plus relievers in Rafael Montero, Ryan Pressley, and now Josh Hader. Every team for the most part has realized that Josh Hader is a tremendously more valuable reliever than Dylan Floro or Chris Stratton. Aaron Nola is better than Kyle Gibson or Wade Miley. There's still really no way to truly and consistently compete without spending at least a good bit of money.

[@aTofuJunkie]

@alexisborden3191 Correct. That's why Farhan Zaidi is not very adept in considering all the factors that truly makes a team special. He has made a decent SF Giants team, rebuilding, to a team spending as little money on washed up or formerly injured players just to try to win.

[@alexisborden3191]

@@aTofuJunkie I think part of it is that having all the pieces helps each piece individually, you can spend but if your scouting and dev sucks like the Mets, than you're still not as likely to win, and Verlander is just gonna go somewhere else. The Giants could and did offer Ohtani the same deal LA gave him, but he went to LA because the Dodgers were more capable in scouting, development and he knew they could build a team around him to compete. So you kind of have to have both aspects in order to be competitive. That said, it is still possible to get lucky and win a playoff spot despite not being a well constructed team, like the 21 Giants, or 23 DBacks. They got lucky, and that success didn't sustain over samples longer than 162 games. I guess we'll see if the Dbacks build, ERod is a good rotation piece and they could be competitive if they continue to build and young stars prove to be the real deal.

[@aTofuJunkie]

@@alexisborden3191 Personally Farhan should go elsewhere.

[@Commnkurtesy]

Farhan made some massively successful moves for the Dodgers and took them to back to back world series' after a 29 year drought. Even for the Giants he has shown an ability to produce useful players from nothing. Look at what they got from Alex Dickerson, Thairo Estrada, Lamonte Wade Jr, Wilmer Flores, Darin Ruf, Yastrzemski, Donovan Solano, etc. Unfortunately for the Giants their farm system hasn't produced a major league caliber position player since Brandon Belt, thats pretty impossible to overcome.

[@tomandrews2887]

This is a great movie. But its very very misleading as a true baseball story.

[@allengardner4672]

Find one team that has won a World Series using Moneyball? Money Ball was that Baseball Stromatic guys who took over the game. It does not acount for the heart of an athlete. The Aa sold off their best players their team to nothing selling off it's best players.

[@alexisborden3191]

Depends what you mean by Moneyball. If Moneyball to you means using advanced statistics to inform your opinions, then probably every team since the mentioned 04 Sox would probably be said to have won with Moneyball. If it means specifically trying to win without spending money then sure, its never worked. Also, having all the heart in the world doesn't count for shit if you still can't hit the ball.

[@prollins6443]

Kind of hard to try to make a point when people can't read or understand what you are trying to say. Use punctuation and grammar. It will help people understand what you are trying to say.

[@allengardner4672]

I bet you can understand this, you are Anal Retentive. Funny, the other response had no difficulty understanding my post. Get a life

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

So the Book Moneyball is more or less what happened that the author was present for. What is not in the Movie is the MLB draft, where the Oaklands went very unconventional aside Nick Swisher, who would later become a hall of famer. Further they go far deeper into the A's actual strategy, David Justice was more of a experiment by Beane and his Assistant, Justice had been a Premeir Slugger earlier in his career but was approaching his mid 30s and baseball players really start to age fast at 35. They cut a lot of the sabermetrics story. When they were talking about not bunting, what really meant was no Sacrifice bunts to advance a Runner from 2nd to 3rd base, Bunting for a hit was not something they had any problem with.

[@alexisborden3191]

Uh, Nick Swisher is definitely not a hall of famer, not sure where you pulled that from.

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

@@alexisborden3191 He had that potential, and yes he wasn't invited to Cooperstown.