Broken Throttle Many Miles From the Truck!!!

[@barsaf9989]

"The boys couldn't keep up with me even when I was on high idle and no throttle." The boys: Wow, thanks dad...

[@ManEHawke]

Their faces, priceless!

LOOOL

[@robbed_of_sanity]

That was a really good idea raising the idle 🤘🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@dominickjohnston5881]

Right? I woulda never thought of that

[@TheIrongutz]

That’s why I liked the old makuni carb, no tools required

[@elmateo487]

I would like to get an update for this. This literally just happened to me today on my SC2 during an endurocross race. Edit: Technology Elevated called me actually. They looked up my order and called me to discuss the issue. I appreciate that. After discussing the issue, we went over a bunch of stuff to look over to make sure the cable is adequate to stay seated. And even discussed changes to the next iterations of the carb itself to possibly mitigate it. I was told it is very rare and for now am ok with waiting to see if it happens again. IMO this is A+ customer service, and gives me a lot of peace of mind. The carb itself is awesome, and I highly recommend it.

[@250txc]

It is actually ~hard to beat factory .... Factory Stock. -- I've purchased too many 3rd-party parts that should have been left at the party..

[@sxsmarine4075]

Some how When you hit the throttle that washer turned sideways and got stock on the release. The slide came down with the cable but washer and spring stayed up and the throttle the cable came out. Go with a little stronger spring maybe.

[@glendecuir6317]

Wow that's a freak deal. Back in the day I'm 62 when riding hard as a youngster we used to run extra throttle cables and clutch cables alongside of the stock cables for that kinds of malfunctions. That one was a interesting one great video thank you

[@AdrenalineRushMX]

genius thanks for the idea

[@205gtipunk]

Amazing tip!

[@250txc]

Might be some BS here but at least 3-4 guys said the same thing happened to them.

[@andrewhowell6584]

Man that thing lugs like a tractor

[@theeasternfront6436]

Makes me miss two strokes.

[@Lewiseyers]

Tpi are proper luggers no throttle loadsa torque go every were 1 gear higher 1500 revs lower

[@lawdawg5823]

I didn’t even know there was a Beta in this clip. I was focused on that Sherco in the background lol

[@justinsavs]

He's holding out on us.

[@JustBraap]

Allen head screws for the throttle slide cap are a much better option than phillips head, as you don't have to worry about stripping them. Some of the Keihin carbs come with Allen head screws as well depending on the bike while others come with phillips head. I always swap them out to make life easier.

[@algee8228]

Philips head are a scourge to society!

[@carlatamanczyk3891]

Right on.

[@chadrides914]

My fondest memories of my dad is being on the trail with him 🙌

[@marklacombe2671]

When a really crappy situation turns to a really awesome one. Valuable lesson to be learned off of this.

[@jeremylownes]

Dirt on the slide caused the slide to momentarily stick & when you chopped the throttle the cable pushed back thru the slide and out of the cable support slot. Just a guess, but when I saw the dirt on the slide that’s the only thing that made sense. Cool video, I like videos that make you think. Keep them coming.

[@jarydt1152]

I don't think it was dirt, I think It would of been 2 stroke oil build up from running the idle high for so long if the idle adjustment affects the fuel to air mixture on that carb and not throttle

[@Ratskinny]

Regardless of dirt or oil residue, this momentary slide stick as described was the cause.

[@edwardcomstock8416]

I also agree. The cable slack came back without the slide and moved from its center position. I would increase the spring tension a bit by stretching just a little. I might even add a bit of solder to the ball-end of the cable to make it a bit larger. Obviously not too large to fit through the installation hole.

[@TheDirtyBirchTrails]

You could always insert something like a rubber caulking in the side hole so it cant pop out unless you physically pull out the silicone . Let the silicone/caulking dry fully before putting it back together. I've done this in the past.

[@reeserides9371]

What a coincidence! Two weeks back, my throttle cable broke near my grip. It was a lectron throttle cable with about 25 hours on it and we were about 12 miles from the trucks on a 50 mile ride day. We ended up putting safety wire thru the braid of the throttle cable and folding the safety wire back toward the broken end, then we jammed the brass stopper up around the safety wire and packed it full of jb quik. It held the rest of the 40 mile ride with a slightly high idle. Lectron told me that this generally happens when you have too much slack in the cable. I assume the slack allows the cable to bend and straighten every time you use the throttle and the fatigue of that motion leads to the break. That was a creative fix you did!

[@codyjames8424]

My throttle got stuck wide open with my SmartCarb and 2020 Beta 300RR RE. Definitely something going on here.

[@lachlandavies7495]

I just want to say how much you have helped me learn about dirt bikes it has really helped me thank you and keep up the great videos you really put slot of detail which is really good

[@jakwhite7714]

Wow! You just now saved me a ton of trouble. I was only a mile from camp but this totally got me back.

[@glahut93]

Kiehin pwk air Stryker never let me down in twenty years !

[@TorqueDorque]

About 2 weeks ago, I tested what the Beta 309 could do without anything but idle on a rocky, holy single track. I could not kill it. It’s amazing. You would never need a rekluse on a 2t Beta.

[@matthewkrisowaty7053]

On top of washer should be a spring type clip like Ktm has just think it’s missing.. Can’t hurt to inquire about.. !

[@PacAnimal]

If raising the idle isn't enough, just tie the cable to something for half throttle or something. Use the clutch :)

[@gabe10222]

Problem with that is it came apart in the carb nothing to tie to. also didn't have the tools

[@leonvojnovic9647]

Is that sherco 2021 in back?

[@rztrzt]

I think he mentioned getting one recently.

[@andrecasanova3753]

Yes, but looks like a 4 stroke right?

[@leonvojnovic9647]

Andre Casanova it is a 4 stroke I didnt know if it is 21 or 20

[@JustBraap]

@@leonvojnovic9647 It's a 2020, blue rims. 2021 come with black.

[@rippingbugles6091]

It’s a ‘20 factory 300sef ‘21’s have a blue front fender

[@P2DAPIPE]

I thought you were physically going to push the bike out. Top tip on the idle trick. I wonder how this will work on a tpi without the air screw mod.

[@MitchOfCanada]

Lol. Take airboot off. Stuff a stick in slide so 3/4 rpm put boot back in. and change gears. Road out 10km racing singletrack back. Ride clutch and kill switch.

[@_Bryant.R]

Even if the cable was loose, shouldn't that spring keep pressure on the washer? Looks that way to me anyway.

[@250txc]

Yep, I'd think so also but look at how loose that spring looked after he put it back over the cable.

[@themikew7]

Where there is a will, there is a way! Great job staying calm and "MacGyvering" a viable solution. A good lesson is whenever facing a challenge, remain calm. When you do remain calm, you are able to use 100% of your brains capabilities to figure out a solution. When you get stressed, panic or freak out, your ability to use logic and reason is significantly reduced. This was a great example of problem solving for your boys to witness!

[@samtoshner8002]

Hey Kyle cool vid. Smart turning the idle up. Did you check the throttle free play? Perhaps too much slack in the cable. Keep up the good work.

[@danhanus2294]

Screw top Keihin FTW. I fixed this on the trail without tools, I had to turn the bike upside down to get the slide out though.

[@lwil6393]

In this mode ride the kill button to slow down. Back in the day it was not uncommon to have cables break. In this case it looks like there is not enough spring tension on the slide, I would have stretched the spring a bet to make sure washer is held in place.

[@algee8228]

Gug-gug-gug-gug, ning-ning-ning-ning! Love the sound effects! Cool that you did the high idle thing. Might have to set the boy's bikes up with passenger pegs!!

[@MentaL65535]

Din you check if the end-cable (carb side) can fit trough the middle hole? Maybe like you mentioned, either the end-cable is to thin, or for a reason or another the slide has it's middle hole larger than standard end-cable. If that is the case it will happen to you again with this cable/slide combination.

[@64maxpower]

Couldn't you have gotten the screws out with a vice grip?

[@thomastjg53]

Was there to much slack?

[@carmelo1970]

The cable maybe was loose and that is why it came out.. too much of a gap.. cheers from Italy

[@endurotruckererniedesjardins]

I keep a lightweight mountain bike purposed folding allan wrench set in my pack. Also a set of screwdriver bits, torques t10 t15 t25 t27 t30 Star, flat , Roberts square red n black. Just cuz ya never know what farm job fix is on your buddies bike that doesn't carry any tools or fix stuff.

[@sxsmarine4075]

Some how When you hit the throttle that washer turned sideways and got stock on the release. The slide came down with the cable but washer and spring stayed up and the throttle the cable came out. Go with a little stronger spring maybe. Check Cable tension as well

[@SirNick125]

Hey Kyle, un-related to this video. (Love your channel BTW) I just put a Shinko 216 Fat Tire on my 250x and man! So good. Because the tire has a bigger circumference then a normal 21”, it roles over obstacles easier. Also what surprised me the most is the 216 fay tire acts like a light steering stabilizer. The bigger spinning tire wants to keep the bars straight. Not sure if you have tried it or not. Just thought Id share! Cheers

[@Billy28376]

Being stranded isnt fun. I crashed my xr600r on a trail this weekend. Brought tools but what happened was i bent the muffler up under the rear fender. So my tire was sitting on the muffler when I got on the bike. Ripped every lug off one side of my tire during a long hill climb back to the top of the trail. I just couldn't bend it straight enough not to rub. Wasnt sure I was gonna make it back without the tire exploding. Was a learning experience. 😬

[@hexhead5732]

Glad you got the boys and your self back to the truck and the bike Family first great channel

[@leejones3879]

I just got a new YZ125 and it lugs but not half as good as that, wow that is the best thing about enduro bikes

[@TheIrongutz]

I’d check the slack going into the carb. Too much slack from the cable could have caused the cable to go loose in the carb for a split second when throttle was closed causing the cable to jump out of the seat.

[@Brett69]

Is it possible the dirt buildup you found on the slide was just enough for it to stick and when you closed the throttle it caused just a second of slack in the cable? Either way what a great idea using the idle to make it back!

[@mitcheemouse227]

Honestly best channel to watch

[@jack_petersen_2005]

Looking foward to the sherco vids.

[@jaybray4901]

On top of turning the idle up you also could have pulled a bolt or two off the rubber carb boot at the cylinder to lean the bike right out for more speed and revs.

[@funkysawmanwright5077]

Unmetered air is a killer of 2 strokes

[@TMAdventuresT7]

Some power in that bad boy, well thought out regarding idle adjustments , not sure I’d trust the smart carb 🤔

[@willlucas1032]

I wonder how this would work with the tpi bikes. I have a TE150i and there is a "cold" idle that raises the idle, but I dont know if the bike could run like that for a while. I dont even think this would be a problem on one, but it also wouldnt have been a problem on the beta with the stock carb.

[@dirtbikesicehockey4788]

I remember a buddy broke his throttle cable and for fun he had a passenger work the broken cable while he would take his hand off the throttle just for the looks on the face of the on lookers.

[@istra70]

Hahaha.... that must be fun .....

[@leewaken5059]

Very odd indeed. The spring tension should supply more than enough pressure to keep the washer in place! Crazy, you'll never be able to duplicate that feat again.

[@thesprucemoose7276]

I think that 12 is old enough for an 85. Or what's even better for trails/enduro, is the CRF150r.

[@ilikechipsonmysandwich]

I notice you are running High Temp Silicone on the exhaust gasket between the pipe and silencer. Smart! How does that hold up? Do you do anything on the front gasket (pipe meets the head) to help keep the spooge down there too?

[@a.kq8984]

Can u tell me if the 300 tpi erzberg editon worth the money or not !?

[@notmissable]

I had to ride off the mountain in high idle last weekend in Malad. Haha, glad I'm not the only one.

[@daniellewis6976]

cool video ... when you did the pivot turn at the top of the hill, throttle fully closed and slack, the washer must slid down the cable and allowed the cable to pop out. unlucky, flukey even but definitely a design issue with the smart carb retainer ...

[@daniellewis6976]

@@SmartCarbFuelSystems yeah true probably more likely cable adjustment when you consider it has to move half an inch down and then sideways to pop out ... it was i think the Mikuni idea of like a tension clip retaining the retainer washer, as it were ... that popped into my head ....

[@UTubeGangstaMan]

Hey, which two way radio setup were you using to talk with your boyz?? Thx!

[@mikeross9910]

Very smart to increase the idle to get out of there!

[@andrewb232]

definitely a smart idea to raise the idle i would have not thought of that

[@joshowens2219]

When kyles idle speed is your normal speed. lol

[@codygerhart823]

What device are you using to talk to your kids while your riding. I herd you checking in with them.

[@GoshGollie]

Absolute legend move raising the idle and doing that

[@ponchoboyz3719]

Any trails around Farmington you know about

[@pathurley354]

Did you try pulling those allens off with some pliers seems like you might mess the bolts up a bit, but might have worked. I watched your what you carry video I thought there were some pliers of some kind in your pack.

[@craigslocum9172]

Very smart to use the high idle

[@asafaviezer4281]

Hi Kyle. I think you need to put the washer on the other side. Near the end of the cable. Hope it helped. Great video and channel. I hope to buy a dirtbike to.

[@jamesdenton3692]

Been there done that 1972 250 OSSA .Cable did break though .

[@steelheadstalker4715]

Very smart!

[@dr.rodneyjthornelldds3648]

That’s awesome that you ride with your boys. What size bikes do you have for them?

[@trocomerlo]

Good trick, thanks!

[@Ridefastorgetpassed]

Could it be when you closed the throttle it pushed the cable down enough to pop out ??

[@P4ddyC4ke]

Only thing that makes sense is too much slack in the cable some how. Awesome example of how to get out without using a tow strap.

[@brenagade]

*too much play in the throttle, just user error

[@endurodirtbiker5543]

Do you put grease around the rim of your air filter

[@dougdill9458]

Very awesome video really liked it I had issues kind of like that on the trail but luckily it was clutch cable but very informative two thumbs up ty doug from gunnison CO

[@bobbyratliff3349]

Weak throttle spring coupled with the grim on the slide let the slide hang just enough that when you rolled the throttle down it popped loose that's why I like the stiffer of the throttle springs I can find.

[@joshua.robertfrench7106]

What was the point of raising the idle

[@apolloFm]

2 problems there end of throttle cable is bent when the slider jammed in high position on the gunk you cleaned off prob dry oil gunk that congealed and jammed when it got really hot and the cable slid out bc it was slightly bent it was the perfect storm and it slotted out clean the slider area thoroughly should fix it maybe change the cable

[@nazzcar7]

What headset do you use to communicate with the kids mate that's an awesome idea. Need to do the same with my little ones

[@64maxpower]

How much slack do you have in the throttle?

[@paultodd9179]

What would you do if it was a KTM TPI bike?

[@mikeritter4743]

Check your slack if you haven’t yet. Also I’m also thinking you may have chopped the thrautle and with that spoog you have on your skid it slowed down and released the cable.

[@mikeritter4743]

Your slide

[@billyryder501]

Was there too much play in the cable maybe

[@elliottframe21]

this literally happaned to me yesterday but when fitting a new throttle tube but thank god it did because im going for a full weekend ride up in scotland so it could have happened up there

[@gusgiesel]

Yup I would have done the same thing, raise the idle and limp back, avoiding steep hills if possible. But I would not just put the carb back together and expect this not to happen again.

[@yorkchris10]

Lectron and SC don't make cables specific to throttle actuator. That's interesting about what could happen given idle adj. technic. I thought it might be lost cable-end on carb. side. What to do with ride-by-wire.

[@nathandyess5310]

With the SC2 SmartCarb the cable end has to move .46 inches or nearly half an inch to come out of its retention counterbore. Not likely that Kyle had that much slack going. It's possible he may have been able to snap the throttle closed manually, pushing the cable end down beyond the slack he has, faster than the spring return rate when combining factors like upward slide momentum (SmartCarb slides are decently heavy) on a quick whack open doing the pivot turn and any friction caused by vacuum and/or fuel/moisture/dirt in the slide cavity... Either way an interesting result. SmartCarbs have light springs standard so a stiffer one combined with checking for and maintaining pretty tight slack may be just the ticket to ensure it never happens again.

[@danstevens2204]

Obviously a good carb

[@samtoshner8002]

Turning the idle up was clever

[@dualsportrider3221]

It was caused by the kink in the cable at the carb end

[@jackmorgan255]

I think it was because when you made that switchback turn there was too much tension on the throttle cable.

[@creepercraft1943]

Where are they riding?

[@jeffer9499]

I know this is old. But that bent cable needs to go. If you have to much play in the throttle it could go down out of the keyway and out of the groove. If it was me I would want that washer to have a finger that would go down into the removal slot to make it impossible to come out. There is a reason OEM carbs have the little plastic keeper on the end of the spring that blocks the slot.

[@MovingTargetOne]

Good idea with the idle, would still be hella embarrassing to pass anyone on the trail riding at that speed though xD

[@christopherdeakin1391]

This happened to me on my 2018 Ktm250xcw messing around in the parking lot before our ride. Luckily it was a quick fix and hasn’t happened again 🧐🤔

[@tjpighin]

Curious if running "high idle" would cause motor to blow (lean condition) would be interesting to have checked plug after you got back to the truck

[@mack1964]

tjpighin the idle screw lifts the slide just like the cable pulls it. No possible issue there.

[@nathandyess5310]

Yeah Mack has it right, raising the slide with the set screw also moves the metering rod with it, adding fuel. It's as if he was holding it at a steady 1/16th or so throttle.

[@tjpighin]

Ok thanks for the info

[@istra70]

You mixed it with choke ....Idle is the same as throttle.

[@zx6rkilla196]

You didn’t have enough tension in the throttle cable lol so when u went all the way off the throttle the wire would hop out of the whole

[@enduro-parts-aus]

Geez that thing lugs!!!

[@tezzanewton]

Hmm, reminds me of twenty years ago when I broke the clutch cable on my Ducati in Sydney traffic. Was a prick of a ride home.

[@hectorstewart7706]

That is how I ride my beta. Lol. Love the tractor lug. Side note. You must have got amazing mileage on your way out lol

[@250txc]

4stroking the 2stroke? Why bother doing that?

[@siedpe13]

There's nothing wrong with failing. In fact, it's foolish to believe you can be successful without failing. Giving up, is never the option.

[@CharlieTrevaskis]

This is a good enough reason for an idle screw on tpi ktm in and of itself. Never thought of this failure mode and idle to solve it

[@johnmcclay1766]

That washer doesn't do anything for the bottom of the cable. The cable is bent allowing slack sticking throttle valve? to pass to the wrong hole.Details are important

[@brandonwatsonmedia]

Just curious if Beta USA ever followed up with you about this incident? They have to heard about this video.

[@marcrussell7690]

you should carry a tow rope in your bag for situations like these.I know Kase and Konnor have smaller bikes but still better towing it than pushing lol