Browning vs Beretta? - Ft. Lloyd Pattison

[@charlesholder8009]

I have owned several Berettas over the last 40 years and now have a Browning. Still can't hit anything.

[@MKChase-uj9vx]

Lol... I've started self loading 10g with 8 shot. Basically I just point it in the general direction and it hits everything... shooting doubles with one shot... no problem 😂👍

[@XAPAN88]

C’mon dude best comment ever…know how You feel😍

[@pzurbriggen]

Me too :-)

[@danielt.3152]

Maybe get a shooting coach, and honestly you need to be shooting weekly all year around, not just during some one season.

[@TheConfederate1863]

You made laugh so hard my wife came to check if I’m alright 😂

[@NotALot-xm6gz]

The safety catch on Miroku MK38 Trap is like the indicators on a BWM: tested once at the factory and never used again.

[@harrynelson9203]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@grahammarsden5847]

2 of the best shooting channels in one show fantastic

[@goe54]

Americans have a say - "The indian is more important than the arrow".

[@shahrozekhurram9836]

What does it mean.

[@shahrozekhurram9836]

@Monti Dell interesting. Thanks for the reply.

[@yumagunner6894]

Agreed. A shooter can shoot anything. This is partly why kids dont smash clays in the UK. Grab a shotgun and smash it.

[@jasonbeary8427]

But sometimes, its the arrow!

[@mikeblast7507]

@@shahrozekhurram9836 was wondering that myself!

[@paultaylor6766]

I've had both a Browning 525 and a Beretta 686 and I couldn't hit toffee with the browning, the Beretta fitted straight away, much smoother recoil also. Browning traded in after a month, been a Beretta user ever since, upgraded to the DT10 several years back and never needed or wanted to change.

[@mikeblast7507]

I have a 12 gauge silver pigeon 1 field model. My wife has a 20 gauge 725 browning sport. Both are very different guns in the way they feel, handle, and shoot. At 1k more, the Browning is the fancier gun. That said, I really like them both, but probably prefer the Baretta just slightly (and that could just be the difference in gauge and heft). I'm not an expert on these things, but I'm also extremely impressed by the fit and finish of the browning, and the quality of the wood.

[@189804]

I’ve got a browning and an Audi 🤣, does this mean I’m broken? 😂

[@mchughcb]

Good lord, watching Lloyd shoot a Beretta sporter through gritted teeth was the best video I've seen for a while. And the winner should have been Miroku.

[@kingofdeath5600]

What were all those shooting eye aids mentioned around 9:30?? I close my left eye, mount right side but want to start shooting both eyes open.

[@danhill6333]

Quite enjoyable video. Many good points made. Eye dominance can be a bit difficult to overcome. I did use a "blinder" for my left ear while learning to shoot right hand while recovering from a chest injury. I did manage a 21 with a 20 gauge during that time. Sadly I've only managed a 23 on two occasions LH with a 12 gauge. Are there two different speeds for skeet there?

[@mattdonaldson4439]

I'm looking at the SP3 687 or the Browning 725 Field . I love them both. I already have a Citori lighting but want to upgrade. Your feedback would really be huge!

[@assil110]

I am currentlh in the same situation 😔 What did y end up buying?

[@dave_724]

I’m from York a majority beretta area and I now live in Wiltshire and I would say when I go to barbury shooting ground it’s a majority beretta area although I shoot better with a browning I prefer everything about the 686 but I’ve recently moved to a ceasar geurini summit which is in another league compared to the beretta

[@timeverett7828]

CG SUPERIOR! PERAZZI KING OF THEM ALL!

[@kylesullivan3114]

Started shooting in my late 40s went on for years shooting like a blindfolded man with a succession of berretas then saw a TGS video on the miruko mk60 went straight out chopped my silver pigeon in for a mk60 which is I am reliably informed is basically the same as a browning 525 and have never looked back vast improvement

[@w1zardssleeve]

Bought my first Browning 3 months ago, love it so far. Had Mirokus and Bettinsolis, but love this Pro Master I have now.

[@tomcharlton1606]

Welcome to the club 😃

[@w1zardssleeve]

@@tomcharlton1606 shame its stuck in the cabinet for the foreseeable 😢 only had maybe a thousand carts through it before lockdown.

[@tomcharlton1606]

@@w1zardssleeve shooting will come back soon enough. You can still practise your mount in the mean time!

[@w1zardssleeve]

@@tomcharlton1606 It will, in the mean time the knockdown tgts are taking a hammering with the springer 😊

[@G31mR]

Two of my O/U's are a Citori Cx and a 682 Gold E. I love them both, but they definitely feel MUCH different in the shooting. Impossible for me to say which I prefer.

[@dale_ch]

Jonny and Lloyd - subscribe to you both for a long time now, a truly great combination of talented shooters - Lloyd is the reason I own both an ATA Sporting and a Benelli Supersport Carbon semi - and I still love them both after 2+ years shooting them both 50/50. Which do I prefer to take out?? - 55 to 45 the Benelli - it might me slightly more if cartridge shells spitting out of a semi all over the place didn't happen and need cleaning up on every stand (woodland shoot area, with lots of ground brush) - but I still do really enjoy shooting the ridiculously under-priced and underrated ATA Sporting - cheers Guys for a great video - great banter - more please! 👍👍

[@andrewsmall1746]

Miroku MK38 Trap for everything for me for the last 6 years but I've had Berettas and Brownings since 1980. I just love long light barrels these days but I am very tempted by the 694 Sporter though and of course an SO if I had the money!

[@rogerofrhodri]

Now come on my friend , why are you even thinking of a b£$£&&%, there I go again can't even type that word , don't go down that road it will end tears and cash down the drain . the Miroku will outlast any b%$£%%&.

[@matthewappelhanz1343]

About rolled out of my chair laughing at Lloyd's impersonation of himself mounting left handed. I tried switching to left for a while and felt exactly the same.

[@isabeldenneyfoster]

The main difference between them is the weight between your hands. With the Browning the action is heavier and the (perceived) weight less in the stock and (particularly with fixed chokes) the barrels. the Beretta has a more even weight balance. Its not that one is wrong or one right, but that difference explains a lot of the personal preference.

[@moorsd123]

When I was first getting into shooting I was dead set on buying a 686 for my first gun resulting in being a "Beretta Man"....right up until I tried a Browning 525 which just felt and fitted me better. For most people I guess it comes down to off the peg gun fit first, which then turns into brand loyalty?

[@anthonyrussomanno1540]

I’m not a Beretta fan had problems with two separate Berettas and there warranty is non existent they wanted to send me ejectors I’m not a gunsmith I will never buy a beretta again

[@bollob9777]

Another great collaboration between Jonny and Lloyd. By far the best on KZbin and I subscribe to both. For the record I have a 695 but the best gun I ever picked up was an ancient battered Liege.

[@tst698]

Another great vid, quick question though does the top lever on a beretta matter if it’s directly inline with the safety catch when closed compared to being slightly right of the safety catch when it’s a newer gun? Is this anything to worry about if directly inline? Will parts need replacing soon?

[@mikeproctor3664]

The Beretta! You can get extra barrels and have them fitted more easily than a Browning. You can get 28 gauge barrels to fit a 20 gauge frame and get 410 gauge barrels fitted to the 28 gauge frame. Cost about $1200 here in the US

[@peterjohnson724]

I love vanilla ice cream! (and my Winchester...)

[@timeverett7828]

Brilliant chaps! I very much enjoy both of your KZbin channels and collaborations like this are also enjoyable. Well done!

[@pclarke70]

Excellent 😆😎😎 I’ve had both, I now own a Browning B525 black gold! The best gun though is a Benelli semi automatic 😜

[@8JD7]

If Ant was there, it would have been the Top Gear of shooting. Jonny/Clarkson, Ant/Hammond and Lloyd/May.. great combination! Beretta for me 💥

[@lloydyp]

I bloody knew I would get compared to May. 😫🤣

[@tgsoutdoors]

We have been making the comparison for a while cpt. Slow

[@tgsoutdoors]

And that combination will be on the cards in the north too distant future.

[@lloydyp]

@@tgsoutdoors pipe down Weasley.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Well I suppose we now know who the Hermione of the group is!!!

[@esoxinator968]

I tried to fit many guns I'm new at skeet it's weird but according to expert gun fit the only one that fit properly was a CZ canvasback for 600 Canadian so I bought it I hope was a good choice idk

[@benburra6655]

Got a Pigeon III & a 725 Golden Clays V...STILL a 65%-70% shooter...but damn...I look good!

[@tgsoutdoors]

That is the sim!

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

Good to see you Lloyd! Great comments as always

[@lloydyp]

Cheers man.

[@mikeproctor3664]

Back years ago I had a 682 Sporting and had a set of 20 and 28 gauge barrels for a 12 gauge frame fitted.

[@dajusebox2893]

Is the Browning 525 game in this video with 28" barrels? Greetings from finland

[@tgsoutdoors]

Yes indeed

[@KatiePhongh]

I'm a browning user and have 3 Citoris. One simple factor got me into them. They build out of the box, high quality guns the fit really small shooters. The Beretta Vittorias are still almost 14" LOP but the Micro and Micro Midas guns from Citori are 13" LOP and can be made even less by simply replacing the butt pad with a thinner one.

[@jimbo2602]

My best skeet scores are always with my game guns.

[@petermitchell9551]

hi there ive had both shooting mirokus at the moment which are brownings i would say there both as good as each other you just need to get out and shoot them and get used to which ever you choose cheers mitch

[@davejarvis5279]

Great video but have to agree with Lloyd on this one,if you feel the need to spec up a silver pigeon then just buy a browning lol

[@redbird963]

Earlier this month I was torn between a Citori and a Silver Pigeon. I ended up with the Silver Pigeon. It just fit me better.

[@rogerofrhodri]

You need counseling, that pasta smasher won't hold any value

[@ViljamiSankari]

What are those earplugs you use?

[@beeeeee77]

Hi guys, great video, many thanks for that. I have quick question regarding the skeet shooting. What size of a barrel is better 71cm or 73 cm? If you could expand on it? Many thanks!!!

[@borjastick]

My first gun in 2006 was a 13 year old Beretta 686. I was in awe of it and went from zero to zero plus. I wasn't fussed about brand at that point but then bought a Browning and my shooting improved no end. I have been with Browning ever since. Just recently I bought a new XS Pro after 6 years with an Ultra XTR. Fab!

[@rogerofrhodri]

This what we want to see , someone who has proved that Browning do the job

[@MKChase-uj9vx]

Not sure about the car comparison. Most people, whether they shoot Beretta or Browning seem decent enough... however... most that drive either BMW or Audi seem to be tw@ts! 😁👍

[@14goldmedals]

Over the years I've shot American Trap with 3 different Browning Citoris. Tried a Beretta and at that time to me the action felt like a toy it was so small. Stayed with Browning. Once I held and shouldered a 725 Sporting Clays model I fell in love. The receiver is smaller than a standard Citori but feels solid and the gun points so well. I prefer mechanical triggers from shooting a Remington 3200 Special Trap model many years back. The Rem 3200 was a wonderfully comfortable design and I find the Browning 725 reminds me of that fit. I am left handed and had a laugh watching you guys.

[@STTrout]

There are those who shoot a Miroku. And there are those who are wrong

[@14goldmedals]

Steven Trout and since they manufacture Browning and Winchester.......

[@STTrout]

@@14goldmedals all 725s are made in the miroku factory too

[@14goldmedals]

Steven Trout you bet and I love my Browning rifles as well. You can see the pride of the workers in the details. Wonderful craftsmen.

[@jasonbeary8427]

Do y'all have the Browning Cynergy over there? They have an acclaimed great action but are dumb-ugly with the odd checkering on the pistol grip. Probably do well on the 'Continent' with that look.

[@jeffreydunlap6382]

For me: the Brownings seem to fit me better.

[@harryaxford530]

Where can i buy those camel trousers and that shooting vest ???

[@nedroberts5600]

I picked up a Browning Citori 325 with 30" barrels in 12g two years ago. The shotgun is pure magic. Everyone who has shot it hits, including first time shooters.

[@thomasryan5394]

What brand of shooting glasses are you using?

[@tgsoutdoors]

Probably Pilla 🙄

[@greg6229]

This is very relevant to me at the moment. I've just started shooting. I had the chance to use both a miroku mk70 and beretta silver pigeon through the local club here. Liked the feeling of the miroku better but come time to buy one they were almost impossible to get locally. I tried out a browning citori which felt almost identical to the miroku so ended up buying that instead

[@scottcrawford3745]

Most Brownings are made in the same factory , at Miroku, in Japan. There are only a very few super high-end Belgian Brownings still being made (B15 etc.) They will feel very similar, many being made on the same tooling using the same metal, parts and wood.

[@Scooter-dm3qo]

I have 2 shotguns that are a 100% perfect fit for me. One is a 12 gauge Browning Citori Sporting Clays Lightning. The other is a Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon III combo gun in 410/28 gauge. Also have a 686 in 20 and 12 gauge both with adjustable comb stocks that need some fine tuning for fit. While very close to fitting they are off just a bit and I'm still experimenting with the cast on the combs. Anyhow I have 1 foot firmly in the Beretta Camp and one foot firmly in the Browning camp and that wont ever change because I will never sell those perfect fits.

[@davecervo]

Great video and great debate. There’s no winner or loser here. It’s what fits you better.

[@shanejones2560]

I've got an old lanber and I hit more Clay's than my mate's with browning and berettas it's not the gun its the eye behind it

[@JakeFix]

Same situation here mate, I’ve got a 1999 Lanber sporting deluxe and actually really enjoy shooting it. Not bad for a shotty that a lot of people look down on.

[@johnreed3576]

About a year after buying and god knows how much on stock bending fitting etc and dental work on a cracked tooth, I found that brownings fit me better than my beretta 😔 Have I given up and sold it for a Browning? Nope.

[@stepanmikulica]

I am just starting with clays. (I shoot pistol/revolver and rifle) and when I read about Berettas and Brownings I was like - Beretta camp all the way. I was looking at Browning like "what an old clunker with a hole in the bottom of the action. Also they say that for short guys Berettas are more suitable. Then I tried the 525 Trap at the range and boy - I love it. I also tried Berettas 682 Gold and...well i can shoot with it but...I still prefer the Browning. But I realized that it has a customized/shortened stock that fits me. Strangely it fliped me to the camp Browning. :D

[@thomasevans3306]

Iv owned both sold the 686 after 8 months kept the 525 The berettas look better but for me the browning felt better and fitted properly Both guns are bombproof and a very good choice for anyone who wants one but it’s all about which one fits you

[@funkla65]

When Mr Miroku shows up at the duel with a Beretta, I smell something fishy.

[@walterwinstanley8502]

A very enjoyable video. I would now like to see you doing Perazzi v Krieghoff. That would be interesting in view of your recent change Lloyd.

[@jayh9144]

The Beretta is so much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye

[@rogerofrhodri]

Do you want to borrow my glasses?

[@daboo7725]

Been shooting for the past 30 years I own both Beretta and Browning love them both the Beretta is a little more petite slender quicker on point as a bird gun,, Browning seems to work better for me on sporting clays range. Audi versus BMW.... sorry guys you can keep them both when it comes to bang for the buck I'll stick with my Cadillac.

[@dodgsr2009]

Can you get the cz usa sbs or under overs this side of the pond?

[@MR12GAUGE]

They have huglu- which is what a cz is, a rebadged huglu

[@AZ-xf4rg]

What cartridges where you using please ?

[@tgsoutdoors]

Probably Hull of some Sort

[@Lovetone1983]

Ive got a BMW 4 series and a Beretta 687. Should I fear for my soul?

[@tgsoutdoors]

😂 only if you care about the judgements of Mr P

[@golfcurve7]

What people don’t realise is that fit is paramount. You’d be very lucky to get a gun that fits exactly off the shelf. Better to go for an adjustable comb and alter the length of pull. Then whether it’s Barretta or Browning you will at least start to hit things.

[@wsercubeskidow7551]

Two the best english channel imo, TSC too

[@pinkfoothunter1]

Beretta all day long, for the first 30 odd years I shot Browning and Miroku guns, they all shot well but were all rust buckets, they would rust on the way home if they got wet or sweaty finger marks in the summer, i have had a Beretta for 15 years and have given up cleaning it, it is still as shiney as the day I bought it, I managed to shoot out a Browning and a Miroku, no chance with a Beretta, better made, better steel and the parts on the most parts are interchangeable, Beretta are in a different class

[@lj.7311]

Love the Silver Pigeons, my son has one. Citori CX just fit me way better. Go with what fits. Can’t go wrong with either brand.

[@michaelshuey1614]

As of June, 2023, if you need work done on your gun, Beretta USA will keep it for six months, lie to you and then send it back loose in a box. I’ll take a Browning, thanks.

[@stephanvanbellegem5817]

i always enjoy your videos, straight to the point, keep up the good work! a big (beretta) fan from belgium.

[@pistoleer3572]

I have the same feeling when i pick up a Browning it just feels right, and Beretta not quite as much.

[@andrewwoodcock5054]

Your last statement is so true, Im new to shooting and recently bought my first ever gun tried several different makes, the one I hit the most clays with I bought, was that technically the correct thing to do, no I guess but shooting is 75% in your head so the Browning 525 Sporter has it.... :-)

[@tst698]

I brought my first gun just over a year ago a 686e having tried that and a browning I just found although both did fit me and I broke clays with both the beretta just felt better in my hands. A lot of it is mental, having confidence in your tools. If the gun feels good in your hands swings nicely and most importantly fits you then you shouldn’t have an issue. Although you do hear about new gun very occasionally syndrome where people who buy a new gun really like it the first few times they use it and can’t find fault as it’s brand new and looks pretty then when the novelty wears off they realise it doesn’t actually fit them that well and they made a mistake in buying it

[@MichaelYarde]

I’ve been waiting for this for so long. I can’t wait to see this! Edit: wasn’t disappointed. Superb!

[@mattdonaldson4439]

Was great but unfortunate it wasn't a current production Browning. When did they quit making 525s?

[@engineer6250]

525s are still made. In fact I’ve recently bought one, so if they are not still being made I will need to have a word with my local gun shop.

[@mattdonaldson4439]

@@engineer6250 on Brownings site the 525 says discontinued

[@tgsoutdoors]

525 is still made for the U.K. at lease

[@engineer6250]

@@mattdonaldson4439 noooooooooo. I just bought a 525 SL!

[@AGENT-tq1nm]

Finally 2 legend together

[@johngoody7815]

I have to agree that the browning is a better clay gun. I have owned both the beretta 686 silver Pigeon sporter and a 692 trap and i coudnt get on with either of them, The Browning 525 Ultra pro has a better sight plain to me.The Ceaser Guerini Summit DTS and invictus DTS are so far out in front of either of them.

[@seniorelzappo9919]

Quite simple, If you enjoy strictly, wear very tight jeans, and have size 7 feet then the Beretta is the gun for you !

[@tst698]

Well I never watch strictly, have size 13 feet and I’m 6’4” and shoot a beretta 😂

[@colinvance903]

Had two Browning Citori's in the past and they were great! Found myself shotgun-less and needed something for sporting clays and skeet- liked the feel of a new Beretta 686 SP1 32" sporter so I bought it. What a lemon! The receiver and barrels are miss-aligned causing binding on closing and the receiver has a cleft on one inside edge where it hits the monoblock and the monoblock is all scratched and banged up on that side. The USA official Beretta warranty gunsmiths looked at it and said " nothing we can do- send it back to Beretta"! Beretta , of course, do not answer any of my emails or calls- I will NEVER buy Beretta again, their QC sucks right now. Not happy at all! Back to Browning ASAP!

[@toga1022]

I have both, shoot both, but prefer the Beretta, better looking, better shooting, never FTF/FTE. The Brownigns (all 6 bought new, half had problems). They are also boxy, heavy, and swing slow. Other than that they are as good as the Beretta's.

[@davidlynch4437]

I've shot both browning and Beretta and hands down I prefer the browning shotguns . I shot my first 100/100 in my first ever comp with a browning 525 game full and full .did upgrade to a new browning trap over the next year and I've still got that gun . A adjustable stock is a must on any modern gun as we put on weight and off over time .

[@garethboyd8580]

I reckon the Browning and the Miroku are basically the difference between the BMW and the Mercedes. You think it’s the same sh*t, but the first morning you have to drive uphill in the snow and you realize you should have bought the Audi. Just get the Beretta ;)

[@imargaris1347]

Bought of you guy's you do nice show! Congratulations!

[@o0MadHouse0o]

The 525 vs 686 argument needs to be put to bed. Both guns are perfect for starting out. As they said, buy the one that fits. Simple as that. I’ve tried both, and the 686 feels better for me.

[@jimelmore9728]

The Browning 725 ergonomically just fits me better. Mine just happens to shot better with Briley chokes.

[@angelos8958]

Well, i have just one year experience with guns. Bought my browning one year ago. I am very happy with it but i wish i knew some things back then.... For new shooters on limited budget, here are my two cents!: Dont buy a new gun ! Loads of used 686s, 525s or whatever out there for sale. Get one with the barrels you want. Remove the stock, make a new, fitted one and enjoy your new super gun with a cost just a bit more than a new gun! Dont get lost choosing between the brands caesar , browning, beretta etc. They dont matter if they come with their generic "fit all" stocks. Get a reliable used gun and get a custom stock

[@tgsoutdoors]

We agree

[@angelos8958]

@@tgsoutdoors thanks a lot for your reply ! Your videos gave me the push to order an MR stock :-). Love your work,keep it up!

[@stolly28xx80]

Are shooting ground open again now 🤔 I thought they were all closed due to lockdown

[@lloydyp]

We filmed this in December mate.

[@grahamsimpkins1540]

I’ve look at both when I starred 2 years ago and Browning win for myself. So who win in your option Johnny & Lloyd ??

[@mattsheed9671]

I like both Beretta and Browning,and to me it's the Person Pulling the Trigger. I guess we all have personal Preferences.

[@gavinshiels7899]

Beretta will fire any cartridge. get a batch of slightly hard primers and browning- miroku will do your head in.

[@NotALot-xm6gz]

Japanese Brownings and Mirokus have always just felt “right” for me. I can shot okay with Berettas, but they just don’t point nor come up “right” on me. Chunky Brownings for a chunky bloke.

[@joeblo5516]

I have both and have shot each 10s of thousands of times. Ive had problems with the Browning and had to send it back for repairs. The Beretta has worked flawlessly and I believe it is better designed and built. BUT, the Browning shoots exactly where it’s supposed to and the Beretta does not. Both barrels shoot 4-5” low and one shoots 3-4” left. Beretta considers this acceptable. THAT is why I’ll never buy another Beretta.

[@nikolasnikolaou5561]

Men you are jenius i beleve the same.. Brownings point of impact of barells are excellend berettas guns are more beaudy but shoots shit under barrel shoots 15 20 cm low

[@timward8335]

Browning all day long for me. By the way J.C do you have any Browning o/u 16 bores in stock at TGS at all? Great vid

[@stog9821]

You told him to close his right eye. You guys don’t shoot with both eyes open? I was taught early to do that. I think many, perhaps most, Americans were. Is that a UK vs US difference?

[@lloydyp]

I shoot with both eyes open as do most. But when switching to your weak side it can help to close the strong eye or it will take over.

[@markwierzbicki5307]

Another good video, thanks guys!

[@BCrunk4570]

I agree with Lloyd, I have a 525 and all my buddy’s shoot it they say it fits better than the 686

[@ryann5247]

Id like a browning citori, but For some reason the only citori's the gunshops stock around me are the $8000 models... Like bro if imma spend 8G's on a Shotgun, its not gonna be a re-branded miroku

[@tgsoutdoors]

I’m sure they could Order you one in?

[@ryann5247]

@@tgsoutdoors naw its gotta be an impulse buy. I want to just see it and not think about it. If I stew on it while I wait 3-4 weeks, ill have thought of a reason why I don't need it or watched too many videos on youtube about it

[@gangsterno1880]

I seem to remember in one of Lloyd's older vids he says he likes a big lump of a gun. Me too. Berettas (in my limited experience) feel very light and toy like to me. And he likes BMW over Audi too. The man is clearly a genius.

[@KanonOC]

started out on a m2 and a shul sbs. but allmost evryone else gets a 686

[@MR12GAUGE]

And the winner is Miroku, an mk38 sport or mk10 sport, better guns than a 525, last a lifetime and are cheaper than both, 686 for me is overpriced for a grade 1 packet gun

[@kennethroyal4316]

“Browning. The best there is.” They didn’t lie.

[@ВячеславАльмухамбетов-ш7л]

Здравствуйте...я хочу приобрести ружьё 20 калибра...скажите стволы 710 и 760 есть разница по дальности????

[@mrsplashboy1]

Great banter between ye as usual I've 686e sporter and I don't know why I bought it the balance just doesn't feel right but the one consolation I have is these guns hold there value

[@timfinlay2174]

Who were we fighting in 41? Italians. What were we using? BROWNING.

[@rogerofrhodri]

Yes certainly showed those backwards marchers how to place a shot

[@johnfila6480]

i think brownings are more reliable