Brushed Motors: 12T 550 versus 54T 540 in Axial Wraith

This has been on our list for awhile.
Take the old 54 turn, 540 can motor out of the Wraith and replace it with something faster. However, that faster still needs to crawl!
Of course, the best choice would be to go with a waterproof, brushless, sensored setup...but those cost all of the $$$.
Instead, we are swapping that 54 turn motor out for a 12 turn motor. Should certainly make it go faster...but do we give up anything in crawling? That is the concern.
To help, the 12T motor is the longer 550 can instead of a 540. That brings it's own challenges as it causes interference with the Wraith chassis. You can either remove a small portion of the chassis (which is what I did), or raise the whole transmission assembly slightly.
I hope this is helpful for others who are considering making a similar change!
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[@JViello]

You're doing it wrong! LOL On some things anyway. (Like angle measurements. They were backwards! It wasn't a 15* incline, but a 75! LOL ) But hey we all started somewhere, so thumbs up, nice work. One thing to keep in mind the turn vs rpm ratio changes when you go to a larger can. So if someone went to a 12T 540 they would not see the same results as you did with the 550. Same if you are going from a 3 to 5 section armature. I'm a big Holmes Hobby fan, but I have to say I'm surprised at how smooth that 54T redcat motor was. Yes, i know it's a 54 turn, but even still it was exceptionally smooth.

[@RoadsideRC]

You know, I hadn't even thought of the angle piece. Very funny! In my mind I was thinking of how close I was getting to 90*, but certainly wasn't saying it! Ha! Thanks for checking out our channel and helping keep us straight.

[@heathsheppard9528]

Important thingiy

[@joerutkowsky3261]

I thought the red cat motor was a 17 turn 3 slot. That’s what it says on the box

[@stevemdelacruz5602]

Great video been waiting on a comparison video dealing with turns

[@RoadsideRC]

Great - glad this was helpful!

[@Maxikings1]

Thx Mate the video i was looking for!

[@RoadsideRC]

Great! I always love it when our videos are helpful! For what it is worth, I have been very happy with this Holmes Hobbies motor. Price is right also!

[@DampActionRC]

The speed bump is substantial, great upgrade. 1k subs coming soon

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes! Thank you for supporting us!

[@VoidXRC]

Nice motor tests!

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@MRBRUSHLESS]

Awesome video very nice testing great job thumbs up 👍

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@BLACKBOX1004]

very good test

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you for watching and supporting!

[@NSRBOY250]

Nice going mate

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@TruSwagTv2]

Very nice upgrade big bro

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!!

[@TruSwagTv2]

@@RoadsideRC your welcome

[@Triple_C_RC]

New sub!! Great content!! Very noticeable difference 👍

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@Triple_C_RC]

@RoadsideRC absolutely np, thank you ✌️

[@EBoB666]

Nice comparison video and test run I put a 15t 550 in my Wraith afew days ago and I snapped the front dogbone after 5 minutes of ripping around my Freestyle course. I didn't need to trim the skidplate like you have to make the motor fit I'm running a 15tooth pinion instead of the stock 11tooth

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for sharing. If I had gone with something like the 15T you did, I could have also used 3S. This motor limits me to 2S with this speed control. Still - that is probably good for my parts breakage!

[@EBoB666]

I'm still using 6cell nimh 3300mah pack's 9volts full charge going to get some 8cell nimh my ae5 speed control is good for 14 volts, not willing to risk a fire from the lipo I bash the hell out of my truck plenty of hard landings and I run everyday for afew hour's each use my course is in my backgarden. You stay safe and appy in the lockdown 🍺🍺

[@allmightygreatone1048]

@@EBoB666 hi. Store your lipos in ammo can. Storage charge 3.8 per cell. Never discharge below 3.3. I then store ammo can in a di ad connected stove. Lipos are amazing. Dump the nmhs.

[@nlrcchannel3967]

Very cool videos & truck my friend 🧰🚗💨

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@RichD]

Best- wearing the engineering shirt as you figure out how to get the 12 turn in 😀

[@RoadsideRC]

Ha! Didn't even think about that part of it!

[@Reecefpv]

A crawler has to be my next adventure lol I just wanna be able to go under houses in fpv to look for leaks ect. Plus obviously having fun lol

[@RoadsideRC]

It is a good part of the hobby, for sure. One that I never thought I would like...but is now one of my favorites.

[@MaxeeOffroadRC]

Excellent⭐️👍Nice Video my friends 🤜🤛

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@chadlunsford6730]

Do you think this motor would work in an Arrma Senton Mega? Or is it just good for crawlers?

[@RoadsideRC]

It would work...but brushed motors never last long in a basher. You would be better off just saving for a brushless system.

[@chadlunsford6730]

Awesome, glad to know it has wheelspeed for a basher. I plan on going brushless one day. Maybe when I burn up my brushed esc and motor

[@superman94]

Very nice my friend 👍🌹😍❤👍🌹😍❤

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you, Super Man.

[@steveroxx69]

My race and yours are almost identical except for I have sticky or tires in metal rims I got mine a good deal cuz I never thought I could afford one cuz their prices are so ridiculous especially with this cold is it going on or I should say the Trump 19 virus going onbut the question with the motor is what I was thinking about and I found your video and it answered it I want the brush motor because of a drag break but the 12T motor I bought my son a trx4 which is really expensive but thought man at the hobby shop told me to put the motor in a distilled glass of water and run it it will harden the brushesand gives it a little more speed I thought he was nuts electricity and water don't mix but I tried it and it did work and my son's trx4 has outlasted all my brush motors and that's the 550 Titan I love the redcat 550 can motors because they're cheap and they are durable thanks for the visit answered some questions take care and be safe

[@RoadsideRC]

Thanks for the comment. There is a lot of different information on brushed motors break-in. I did this method simply because it is how Holmes Hobbies officially recommends to do it. Glad you are out having fun with RC!

[@kurniaputra87]

Very nice my bro.. esc using how many amperes? and how many batteries Cell?

[@RoadsideRC]

80A hobbywing. 2S in this video

[@kurniaputra87]

Ok.thnka my bro😁🙏

[@mr.steve017]

If i have a higher tooth pinion lets say a 27t should i get a lower turn motor or higher?

[@RoadsideRC]

All depends on how fast you want to go! Honestly, I doubt a 27T would fit with the stock spur gear. Have you already fitted it?

[@mr.steve017]

@@RoadsideRC Yes its a wltoys a979b and i believe its a 27 turn brushed motor with a 27t pinion 42 spur

[@mr.steve017]

@@RoadsideRC Also thanks for the speedy reply 🙏

[@tobydyes]

Why did you disconnect the Dig function

[@RoadsideRC]

My Wraith never had a dig function.

[@allmightygreatone1048]

Is that a 70 or 71 chevelle. Only see the bumper corner.

[@RoadsideRC]

1971!

[@vicc6744]

what kind of gearing do you have in your truck-

[@RoadsideRC]

Great question - I don't remember. Spur is stock, pinion is also roughly stock. I have not done anything in particular for changes.

[@vicc6744]

@@RoadsideRC Thanks- I need a motor and I think you have made that decision for me- 12T- I like it

[@RoadsideRC]

@@vicc6744 Glad to hear it! I am very happy with this Holmes Hobbies motor.

[@allmightygreatone1048]

My motor 12 t 550 titan 2003 old emax motor works perfect in my wraith 2.2 drive it hard. No issues. Fast and plenty of torque .

[@RoadsideRC]

Glad to hear.

[@needtau4138]

Is the titan as fast as the Holmes hobby trail master 550 12t?

[@allmightygreatone1048]

@@needtau4138 hi I do not have experience with the Holmes. It's really fast . Faster than my 21 t in my trx4. I run on 3s. It crawls nice, has torque and speed. Can tolerate the 3 s power . After 20 minutes I cool down the wraith. No need for brushless. We should try the summit 775 550 traxxas.

[@needtau4138]

@@allmightygreatone1048 Ooo okay, thank you for the info.

[@allmightygreatone1048]

@@needtau4138 doing research to upgrade my old 3906 emax tonight. The site said original brushed motor was a 21 turn. Not a 12 turn. My axial wraith stock motor is no match for the old emax 550 motor. I run the old emax motor in the wraith.

[@rcworkbench4405]

Hotrod and I were just talking about this the other day. Thanks for doing all the research for us! I think his Wraith 1.9 is going to be converted into a rock bouncer/stunt crawler soon. Lol Btw... loved the shirt in this vid, can't tell you how many times I've thought to myself... just what in the hell were the engineers thinking when they came up with this crap... and now I know what and how. MAGIC! lol

[@RoadsideRC]

This comment from 6 months ago...and all the headaches you have had with the motors since... Doh! It is almost like it is my fault for sending you down the Holmes Hobbies path!

[@rcworkbench4405]

@@RoadsideRC 😂😂😂 The comment was about being able to fit a 550 can in the Wraith for more power...😂😂😂 That's funny you remembered this comment, but the Holmes Hobbies path isn't your fault. It's ours for not doing enough research on motor types and purposes. But if you want to take credit I'll happily pass the buck to you. lol Nah, just kidding. We don't blame others for our woes in life. Besides, it's made for interesting content. Hopefully others will learn the easy way now. lol

[@ScutuRC]

2:10 isn't actually 90 - 20 = 70 degree? where 0 degrees is horizontal / flat and 90 degrees is straight up... at least that's what I remember from school... :D

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes! I was just reading directly from the gauge.

[@ScutuRC]

@@RoadsideRC I guessed that.. but it didn't make any sense at first... I had to calculate the exact angle. I guess if you were using the other side of the angle tool you could get the right numbers! Anyhow, good vide, thank you!!!

[@ThDESTROYER-xd5jv]

Is there a higher than 54t and can it support 26 pounds

[@RoadsideRC]

Dang...26 pounds is a lot. What chassis are you putting it in? There are multiple RC vehicles larger scale that are in the 26 pound range.

[@ThDESTROYER-xd5jv]

Roadside RC I have a turnigy trooper Everythings mental and I got it from garage sale

[@RoadsideRC]

You would be looking at something like a 1/5 scale power setup.

[@RoadsideRC]

Looking again - that is just a 1/10 scale SCT. It really shouldn't be 26pounds!!!

[@ThDESTROYER-xd5jv]

The guy that had it had all steel parts

[@Aykutreyes]

It seems the biggest issue that you had in all of your tests was nothing to do with torque but traction loss. I wonder if there would have been a difference had you used a softer compound tire that had more grip everywhere?

[@RoadsideRC]

Good question! Honestly, I wonder how much softer/better traction I could get. I know there are some Pro-line predator compounds, however these tires have done really well in all of my tests versus other tires.

[@rcnutball4087]

Lol What year is that Cheval?

[@RoadsideRC]

1971!

[@LesAdventuresdeschtisNomade]

cool 😎

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you. #3

[@eliasprobierts2117]

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[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@bolshoi98rus]

Cool

[@RoadsideRC]

Thank you!

[@maximumrpm1868]

I love rock bouncers

[@RoadsideRC]

They are fun! Thanks for watching!

[@davidpowell3777]

I seen your trash can says Lebanon. Is that Tennessee?

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes, sir. Sure is. Are you from around here?

[@davidpowell3777]

Yes sir. I just moved into town. Live in smyrna. Maybe we could get together sometime and bash/crawl. I am new to the hobby have a wraith I just put a axial 27t in, losi 22s and just purchased my daughter a scx10 trying to get it right for her.

[@squawk3120]

I have a 15t that has been in and out of my rig so many times. I cant be trusted with that speed, I break parts every time.

[@RoadsideRC]

Ha! Yes, that is a thing for sure!!

[@dustinjamal8689]

I guess it is kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good website to watch new tv shows online?

[@marcellusnoel1259]

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[@nikoaldo4394]

@Marcellus Noel Yea, I have been using Flixzone for years myself :D

[@dustinjamal8689]

@Marcellus Noel thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) Appreciate it!

[@NCMATT]

Not reading deg right. On board

[@RoadsideRC]

Yep - you are correct.

[@BandWidthExpired]

rather then grinding the bracket.. maybe you couldve Shimmed the transmission up

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes - that also helps!

[@Tywild327]

welp i guess if i do this to my scx10 i should get an extra trans and a pair of diffs

[@RoadsideRC]

Metal trans gears would be needed for sure.

[@afterrunrc9935]

Thanks for the comparison video. You should throw a truck over the fence and play with that little dog next door.

[@RoadsideRC]

Ha! Pretty big dog actually. I will sometimes drive the Kraton back and forth along the fence to let the dog chase it!

[@comeandtakeit5709]

Cause when building a ramp making it wide enough is just too much work 😅 your also holding that wrong. It's more like 80 degrees and 85 degrees. A 15 degree incline is like driving up a wheel chair ramp. It's basically flat bro.

[@RoadsideRC]

You are right - I was backward on my measurements.

[@comeandtakeit5709]

@@RoadsideRC 😂 it happens to the best of us!It was hard to watch tho so frustrating. Other than that nice work tho man.

[@kamper4140]

He's not wrong he's reading off 90 degrees. 15 is the same as 85 if coming off of a 90 degree

[@bolshoi98rus]

Такая модель в России будет стоить огромных денег, такую многим не купить никогда

[@RoadsideRC]

Жаль слышать, что это так дорого для вас.

[@superchargerone]

erm you are testing the grip of the tires more than you are the torque of the motor. granted that you had improved speed which is great but it still doesnt show the difference in torque.

[@RoadsideRC]

That is actually one of the points! The 12T 550 has more than enough torque to do whatever the higher-turn motor does....so why do you really need the higher turn motor...?

[@MrNion999]

Nice tests, but dude you should really check your knowlege about how to measure the angles, you were actualy aproaching 90 deg. and not 10... 😁🤪

[@RoadsideRC]

Yes - you are right! I wasn't thinking of it at the time.

[@Tridum]

80 ..................................90 - 10 ;)

[@kobebryant5135]

its not about power its grip u need some better tyres mate

[@RoadsideRC]

We were going to attend a rock bouncing event. Certainly check it out if you have not seen one before! The event is a test if how fast you can get up the hill. Most guys are running brushless setups for crazy wheel speed.

[@anthonynorris7736]

You should keep the 12 turn but add a two speed transmission

[@RoadsideRC]

I'm not a huge fan of the 2-speed transmissions - that is just more parts to break and more weight to have on the truck. But, it would certainly get me more speed!

[@lynskyrd78]

@@RoadsideRC what gearing are you using with the 12 turn ?

[@migueljavierdavila350]

That not no damn 20 to 15 degrees damn 🤦🏼‍♂️ common sense in the beginning of the vid is 90 degrees Eva use it’s vertical 🤦🏼‍♂️ and 45 is half of that and the hot wheels track is 45 degrees 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@RoadsideRC]

It was reading how far off of 90 degrees obviously. You are correct, I did say it wrong in the video.

[@tobydyes]

You're supposed to climb up the wall not just put the truck against it

[@RoadsideRC]

Just trying to show the torque difference.