BRUTALLY HONEST: The New Porsche GT3 992.2

[@mgcharoudin2]

SecretLab Chair with magnetic headrest cheaper than GT3: bit.ly/48LOejc

[@Franzino]

Hi Mischa; I appreciate your view and experience with sporty cars. If you could choose to own a 991.2 GT3 or 992.1 GT3 to drive on street (fun on weekends) and of course drive on Nürburgring > which one would you take and why (let's forget the price difference between 991.2 and 992)? I saw online (Rennlist) a lot of people prefer the 991.2 GT3 for having a more pure driving + more involvement and wondered if you share this opinion? Thank for the reply ;)

[@MarcusSteiger]

In meinen Augen ist der 992.2. GT3 (Touring, ich sehe keinen Grund warum ich den mit Flügel kaufen sollte) ein echter Fortschritt, da er die zwei Punkte beseitigt, die mich bislang davon abgehalten haben GT3 zu fahren: zu harte Federung und keine Rücksitze. Nun ist der Wagen fit für den Alltag. Der Preis ist allerdings eine Unverschämtheit und treibt mir die Tränen in die Augen. Dass das Auto nicht mehr Leistung hat, ist mir egal, denn mit einem Turbomonster a la McLaren könnte es mit 50 PS mehr auch nicht mithalten, also was solls. Gut wäre es in meinen Augen gewesen, wenn Porsche endlich eine Notbremsfunktion wie im normalen 992 für das Auto anbieten würde, denn Sicherheit geht vor. Ansonsten, nix zu meckern von meiner Seite. Klar wäre es schön, wenn die 911 insgesamt wieder kleiner werden könnten, mehr so wie Cayman, ist aber technisch nicht machbar.

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

At first I thought they were too expensive. But then I sat on one... After that I got one delivered to my home, some 2000 km away. Love the chair.

[@ssaini5028]

$40K increase and still 500HP, this is mind boggling

[@danielong911]

Thank you. So to sum up, Porsche makes more margins from cost savings and increasing the price but does not seem to improve on car performance for the customer.

[@MS-bw7yt]

With current EU legislation, the nicest and coolest cars are already out there. Everything from now on is just a big compromise. Cars will still probably get faster, but not cooler or more enjoyable

[@strammerdetlef]

true :(

[@ImThe1stAvenger]

We said that when OPF came around and everybody was worried. There are 991.2 RS‘s with and without OPF and then there is the 992.1 with OPF and all of them sound incredibly good and perform nonetheless.

[@jasonruch3529]

They said that in the 70s and look at what we have now😊

[@jakejohal6672]

Sad truth

[@ImThe1stAvenger]

@bagsheeratrading that‘s just not correct and definitely something everybody got a different opinion on.

[@TobiasHenreich]

The new Touring is a huge win in my opinion - like AP said it’s about 85% S/T. You still won’t be able to buy one without buying 5 Taycans first but hey… it is what it is.

[@mgcharoudin2]

Agreed. Even better than an S/T, probably. Which is again sad towards the S/T owners in such a short time frame.

[@TobiasHenreich]

@@mgcharoudin2 I would feel a bit betrayed actually. Anyways the 2 plus 2 Seater Touring is the perfect dad mobile 😉

[@MW-uy3np]

Yeah right lol

[@Franzino]

True the new touring is the big difference I think also...this gen of the touring is Epic and a baby S/T.

[@philrs6931]

This is not gunna be a rare car guys …. lol just wait if you want one you’ll get one of course that’s if you can afford one .. cheers

[@romanu90]

They need to improve margins for their shareholders, they are a listed company now and the stock is down almost 50% since mid 2023. That's the sad truth...

[@boostav]

Exactly this, pumping those margins.

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

They are going only one way... Bad décisions from chairholders but i don't forget Miss Von Der Leyen and co.

[@trevormcguff1697]

No longer a drivers car. A $60k+ jump from 992 launch is a F-ing joke.

[@StubbyPhillips]

Yep. Shareholders ruin everything sooner or later. IPO = the beginning of the end.

[@Sp99226]

@@trevormcguff1697 I completely agree its now becoming a boutique brand, which really sucks.

[@NOMOone]

The screen is Horific. We want the SHAPE OF GUAGES not our home television screen or reminders of its shape in our face while we are trying to relax or unwind. It’s like the vision impaired that designed the new 7 series got fired and found their way into the Porsche interior design team, and we all suffer for it.

[@Porsche1969]

Shut up, dude!

[@SparklingWalrus]

Have you even driven a 992.1? Because if you did you’ll realize the old gauge was blocked by the steering wheel

[@rosscarver4546]

@@SparklingWalrusthe tachometer with digital speed reading and gear is all anyone needed. To disrespect that gauge so I can see that my Porsche is managing its oil temp (as it does) just fine is not an enhancement.

[@SparklingWalrus]

@@rosscarver4546 what’s funny is my friend has a Panamara with the analog gauge in the middle and nothing is blocked by the steering wheel

[@deanfisher1656]

Sat in a 2025 Carrera…..exited and got in my 22 Macan GTS and wondered where Porsche lost there way relative to gauge pack. Big bummer. Yeh it’s not a 911….but sure looks and feels better inside the way I optioned mine.

[@BrianSuero]

I dont care if they dont change a single thing except for changing the generation from .1 to .2. It just means they have kept making the best sports car for another generation. I just got a manual 991.1 and it’s my poor man’s gt3 touring. I adore it. Happy to see a continuation of the gt3. The touring looks absolutely incredible.

[@v12-s65]

Agree, the car is fabulous and they didn't take the risk of ruining it for enthusiasts. 911 project manager knows exactly what he's doing

[@eastbaystreet1242]

@@KaynDee yes, the GTS is very, very quick. plenty of great race cars never had this acceleration or handling. fantastic car.

[@zix_zix_zix]

I guess no one would complain if they did not increase prices all the time..

[@darrylwoo9523]

Agreed. It’s an evolutionary improvement and the price increase is a way to capture profit that was previously going to dealers’ markups. Whatever effect this version will have on the secondary market for S/Ts or 911 Rs is a reminder that these cars are for enthusiasts and should be driven, not just stored in a collection. I have a friend who is fortunate enough to have an S/T, and he actually drives and enjoys the car.

[@ChasingRabbits.]

Honestly Misha, no car maker can escape economy or regulations. And why is it a bad thing if parts are shared across models? I'm with Chris Harris here, you don't get out of a GT3 and say "I wish it had more power". I think it's about time we appreciate what we have because it is bloody good and it's going to be over some day.

[@Superdada]

Agreed.

[@caribbeanseas]

@ChasingRabbits lol yeah but at 40k usd more money for basically not much difference

[@philrs6931]

Lots of new bits buddy just spent 12 mins going over every detail mostly

[@KaynDee]

I think Misha is appreciative but wants more of a wow element. I miss older BMW Ms where with each new model the engine was the spectacle - something special - what could have they done to make the GT3 more special? (other than giving rear seats that I am thrilled about!)

[@Thumper68]

I get out of any vehicle and say I wish it had more power. There’s never enough

[@eedoamitay3341]

Buy a Porsche or start a whole business, sounds about right lol

[@user-rl3ef4ju9k]

or buy a house 😂

[@stratman9449]

sums up the porsche "clients".....

[@stoneeh]

@@user-rl3ef4ju9k nah you can maybe buy the land for that money.

[@jakabgips]

@@stoneeh For the price of 1.5 freshly announced GT3s you can buy like around a 10 year oldish villa on a nice location in Central Europe with opportunities and panoramic views which is more than enough for most people where I live and I am sure its true for the most of us. However I've seen empty lands for the price of a GT3 in the same place a few streets away with nice views so I have to agree with you. I wouldn't buy the Porsche if I would have a decision like this not gonna lie. A comfy home is the most important, for me at least. Buying a non super rare car is the WORST investment anyone can make. Home>business>Porsche should be the right list in my opinion.

[@user-rl3ef4ju9k]

@@stoneeh it is 430 keur in my country with tax so will get you a pretty nice house almost anywhere.

[@benchsie6543]

992.1 owners are the winners

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

😉👍

[@trevormcguff1697]

The GT3 buyers at 992.1 original $160k price are the real winners. Mid cycle $20k price jump. Not $40k price jump to 992.2. In essence, $60k price jump from 992.1 launch to 992.2 launch.

[@mikeh.748]

And to think there were actual videos claiming that this would drive prices down for the 992.1 and 991.2 because people would want this new one. Ummmm.

[@uno5589]

I am happy if this is the truth. Even happier if 992.2 RS become hybrid or Porsche smart turbo.

[@v4skunk739]

Only the ones that purchased in or around MSRP or got a used one at a good price recently.

[@Grimreaperrx]

For potential GT3 buyers it‘s a much better deal to simply buy a used low mileage 992.1 GT3 for much less money. It comes even cheaper than the latest GTS. Additionally you don‘t need to beg Porsche for an allocation or go through Porsche Financing. After all, you can buy a used GT3, get a Manthey package and still be cheaper off

[@BboyVReck]

I would still get 991 gt3 RS since that's the first car I like from Porsche.

[@caribbeanseas]

LOL 992.1 GT3 IS DEFO NOT CHEAPER THAN THE NEW GTS.......DA FUCK YOU SMOKING

[@EAGYSL]

@@BboyVReck Be realistic

[@Jdnicks00]

The price goes crazy. People who have 992.1 GT3 are Winners, with classic gauges.

[@MARTINIVILKS]

Euro7 is killing cars

[@garage3022]

Yeah. This engine makes 20-30 hp more than the old one, but it's choked back to the power it had.

[@Bassalicious]

Yeah, you really can't have much fun at a continuous Lambda 1. Modern combustion engines will all just be glorified vacuum cleaners from now on.

[@harveywang9516]

I'm disappointed about the fact that they didn't go for the 4.2 engine

[@miaudir8]

emissions unfortunately

[@geelo_culture]

They went for it but couldn't make it meet emmissions standards. But it has plenty of power. Improving the suspension and gear ratios is a perfect upgrade from the 992.1 IMO. It's a touring pack for the road when all is said and done.

[@imranhossainrohit6990]

When a company starts launching great products somehow someone at the top changes to a greedy MF that will ruin their best product.

[@miguelosterroht]

The market was greedy, dealers and first buyers markups, Porsche is only pocketing it right away now, can’t blame them, if there is not enough competition they will do that, pure free market dynamics.

[@zix_zix_zix]

@@miguelosterroht "free market dynamics" do not dictate that a company should spoil their product quality and hike the prices. Dealer markups have nothing to do with this issue.

[@miguelosterroht]

@@zix_zix_zix there is no issue. It’s simply that there was room for a price hike and more profits and Porsche made de decision to do so, dealers markup just proved this point, demand was not decreased enough with the hikes, it’s that simple. Porsche margins are still quite modest for a niche/sports car brand. Go check Ferraris margin (spoiler, it’s obscene, way higher than Porsche, simply because they can).

[@Syncopia]

This sounds about right. "Hey we have a good product we can probably get away with charging more for it or cheapening out on x"

[@SotesWaine]

It is SO refreshing to see people talking about cars like you do; not just the same and the same press note releases and zero critiques... Thanks Misha for this honest review.

[@juwonie_0426]

Another important aspect that Misha forgot to mention in the video is the weight. Thanks to all the new safety and environmental regulations of the EU, Porsche had to embody a significant amount of extra body reinforcing parts, various catalysts etc, which all contributed to the increase in weight. I think this is the reason for Porsche’s justification of the introduction of Weissach Package in a non-RS car for the first time. The lightest possible configuration of the 992.2 GT3 (Weissach Package + Magnesium wheels) is actually heavier than the 992.1 GT3, which wasn’t even offered with lightweight options like the Weissach package (albeit the number is pretty much negligible). This means that the 992.2 GT3 without the WP is significantly heavier than the 992.1 GT3. Considering the amount of changes Porsche applied to the 992.2 GT3, the price increase is simply not justifiable.

[@mgcharoudin2]

Ajjj

[@DavelyDriven]

They've been perfect for a couple years now and they just need to leave it alone IMO

[@v12-s65]

facts!

[@jameswillard1]

I’m sure they’d love to, but unfortunately EU regulators are under the impression that they can solve climate change/global warming or whatever by choking the flat six engine in 911 GT3’s meanwhile cargo ships, jet airplanes, and semi trucks have virtually zero emissions regulations 👌

[@StuKatz911]

Agreed

[@JC7119]

I have a strange feeling with the aftermarket the 992.2 might be a better platform because it has better cams, reworked intake that is supposedly better, shorter gear ratio ect. Then again I'm in the US where OPF delete and secondary cat delete won't trigger a violation as long as the primary cat and o2's are still there.

[@jimsteinway695]

But another $40,000. AND it’s cheaper in Canada for the first time ever. When the Canadian dollar is worth 70 cent US. Pure cash grab by Porsche

[@JC7119]

@@jimsteinway695 Only time and the lap times will tell.

[@jimsteinway695]

@@JC7119 I don’t care anymore. For the money they want to charge I’m going to Lamborghini. 25 years of driving 911s including 3GT3s I’m done. One thing I loved about Porsche is they gave value and valued their customers. Now all they care about is cash. They registered 918 owners They could have registered multi GT customers but they’d rather screw EVERYONE. And honor the dollar

[@brucerobertson5919]

GT3 are never a big platform for aftermarket. Exhaust and maybe wheels. 500hp from 4litre NA isnt worth pushing.

[@jimsteinway695]

@@brucerobertson5919 Porsche got everything out of what they had. Yea you’re 100% correct. All my friends had GT3s . Nobody did anything more than exhaust (and wheels) mostly Sharkwerks

[@SuperReviews4you]

Emission regulations are going to kill progress in the cars we love.

[@after_midnight9592]

That's how they'll get phased out. They'll be too expensive to make, so people will just drive old cars.

[@SuperReviews4you]

@@after_midnight9592 Which in return will create more emissions.

[@Bassalicious]

@@SuperReviews4you until they'll ban petrol all together and force us to drive upscaled RC cars.

[@Lebende_Leg3nde]

I mean it‘s just a facelift not a new generation it just went from 992.1 to 992.2… It‘s just small adjustments

[@v12-s65]

exactly

[@howarda4242]

Yeah at a 40k increase in base price !

[@DontPanicDear]

as he stayed in the video, previous generation faces have been quite dramatic.

[@yongchenlu6356]

@@howarda4242 Price Tag also need a facelift

[@philtechGT3]

Look at the previous GT3 facelift. It used to be the engine upgrade

[@dandylion1987]

Between this and the 4 million euro ferrari with a 296 engine in it and EV slop everywhere its not a great time to be a car fan 😩

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

Buy a Miatas before It's out of production. 😉

[@cben86]

You can still buy an MX-5

[@dandylion1987]

@@melaniezimmermann-jv7th Is that meant to be condescending?

[@v4skunk739]

You mean the 900bhp engine from the 499p LeMans winning race car?

[@dandylion1987]

@v4skunk739 yes. That it is also used in a race series makes no difference. A v6 from the baby ferrari isn't what people wanted. Hence the cope

[@kornonacob]

I agree...at least they should put the 525hp rs engine for this new 992.2

[@nikapopiashvili9]

4:35 cost reduction from Porsche and they still charge at least 250k is crazy

[@XX_1_0]

Inflation

[@itdobelikedat4202]

the end of enthusiast cars isn't far away

[@elnadini1221]

Digital Overload, Double OPF, over 200K, EXIT!!!

[@RobFalfa]

The 992 GT3 RS was such an upgrade and so much work went into it. Then the release of the S/T as the ultimate drivers car. Then the new GTS model with the new engine. Feels like the GT3 was a bit ignored. The +2 is probably the main advantage with the rear engine over mid engine so a smart choice to give the Touring the possibility.

[@danielshinerock1526]

Thats correct. 2018 was the last good year for cars. Since then more tech and the cars are following Eu regulations which are make them boriing and heavier.

[@jagymeister]

hmm, my 2022 GR Yaris and 2021 Exige 420 does not agree with that statement

[@igor240898433]

This platform/drivetrain is obviously at the limit. Although dinamically inferior to the latest cars, I have always preferred the "older" 997 and 991.2 (manual only) models. Anyway, we as car enthusiast have to be thankful for cars as these to exist at all when you consider all the BS the green bastards are throwing at us. Cheers!

[@jack073]

I disagree, I don’t think we’re at the limit yet. But I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the next generation brings. That will be the ultimate test

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

At the limit? Lmfao.

[@v4skunk739]

They could go 600bhp on a 4.0 NA but the price would probably have to go up £30k.

[@ogmechsftw]

pdk better

[@CLSTRN911]

@@v4skunk739it’s not the price the problem, it’s regulations

[@172forest]

after listening to you Misha I think you`re 100% correct. GT3 has always been my dream car/life goals and I got a 992.1 used 2022 high spec car in Feb this year from OPC. Without all the hoop jumping and £10k under the then current RRP. I`m happy it`s not radically different, doesn`t want me to get into to the .2 for all that extra cash

[@TheGinger1]

The .2 is a big improvement for the touring. The wing car is just subtle refinements to keep it in line with the .2 Carrera updates and they are fighting the emission regulations to stay at the same hp level. I think the 992.1 was the peak for GT3. We may never see big improvements again.

[@grimmig13]

What I'm hearing is they played it safe with this one... they cut cost where they can, tried to improve reliability a little bit, bumped the price up because _new shiny_ Apple model and called it a day

[@joergfitzner]

2:17 @mgcharoudin2 Porsche doesn't really _have_ to meet any CO2 emission targets. The price increase already pretty much over-compensates potential fines! E.g. even if the increase in CO2 emissions from 992.1 GT3 to 992.2 GT3 would apply on average to Porsche's whole fleet sold in EU, an additional fine Porsche would have pay, would be covered multiple times by the price increase from 992.1 GT3 to 992.2 GT3. The only problem is that Porsche would have to start paying fines for all EU cars sold, once the exceed the overall fleet average limit. But they also increase their prices for all models step by step anyway. So, for a manufacturer selling cars on an average fleet price level like Porsche, emission fines are a non-argument. Bottom line: Blaming emissions regulations is a flawed argument for castrating high performance cars.

[@blendlinegarage42]

if you actually watch Seen Through Glass video on GT3, Jorg says there will be no "official lap time" for 992.2 GT3 (they already attempted lap record for internal purposed at the ring)

[@jameswillard1]

I can’t get over that the car is allegedly 100 lbs due to some crash structure modifications needed to be added because of the available rear seating. I have owned several GT3’s and even regular 911’s are absolutely miserable for anyone to ride in the back, but a GT3 is borderline cruel and unusual punishment to ride back there for any reason. I guess it will help some guys sell the idea of GT3 ownership to their wives but everyone else suffers

[@miaudir8]

only rear seats for the touring

[@jameswillard1]

@@miaudir8 correct, but wing car also has the weight penalty (as do Touring’s without rear seat) is my point

[@thepro08]

its about insurance taxes..... its always about taxes....

[@thepro08]

@@sofwanlutfy4050 you pay half insurance in some countries, there i fixed for ya

[@Remenschneider]

I think it's pretty much symbolic for the state of the industry. Nobody really knows what to do in terms of development, since it turns out that the "transformation" to 100% electric vehicles didn't work out as promised. EVs are not being bought, but the legislation is still there, so the manufacturers can either invest tons of money into cars that nobody wants, or they can run into penalties imposed by the lawmakers. It's a problem that has to be engaged culturally and politically. The dogma of "sustainability" as the prime directive has to be broken at some point, and people need to remember that freedom is more important eventually, and that it is the most important hill to die on. There are no inherent limits to both bureaucracy and sustainability, and any kind of automotive fun is pretty low on the food chain of things that are going to be considered expendable for the "greater good" of the Sustainable, Net Zero, Circular, Stakeholder Economy.

[@t.e.r.sven2.0vs.daskaltest59]

Amen! Btw. the anthopogene climate change is another propaganda lie.

[@styleemusic]

Well said

[@swecreations]

Plenty of people want electric cars, for the average person who just wants something simple, quiet and reliable that just works there is often nothing better. Being able to charge your own car at home is really nice.

[@Remenschneider]

@@swecreations That's true, there is quite a big market share, but it's not anywhere near 100%. Especially not sports car buyers, but also at the lower end, if you live in a rental apartment and can't charge either at home or at work. Modular, standardized battery swap systems would solve almost most issues that stand in the way of higher EV adoption rates, but as of now, nobody seems to be working on that. There's a Swedish company called Power Swap who developed such a system in ~2017.

[@t.e.r.sven2.0vs.daskaltest59]

@@swecreations Maybe in cities/urban areas, but no in German Backland/villages where I live. And it's by far not so sustainable, like it is propagated.

[@papaguro]

1:03 i'm sorry but not everyone has 300k laying around💀

[@Aaronozard]

Current 992 gt3 prices are tanking in the UK

[@marc-henribujes159]

I have not driven it... but same same. I strongly think we should all keep our old cars to sell in few years !

[@Ndumei21]

They brought it closer to the RS with sizable improvements, and like you mentioned the gen 1 was already amazing. I think they improved what they could and left the rest for the RS, this is a good facelift. Respectfully...

[@Bassalicious]

Less for more. That's what shareholders do to products to chase those sweet short term profits. RIP Porsche.

[@cataca91]

why is porsche trynna save money? the 911 is already the most profitable car in the world

[@marcopolo87948]

shareholders :(

[@MuppetsSh0w]

Greed. It's gonna ruin the world and collapse the civilization.

[@SeanSer]

4cats, 2opf’s… that’s just utterly sad 😶

[@westrx7]

Buy a nicely optioned 992.1 GT3 or GT3 RS, save a few bucks to use on upgrades.

[@Slowster]

I think being a public company, facing tighter emissions requirements, and realistically reaching the end of the road for improvements on the RR+NA…

[@f.kieranfinney457]

Seems pretty clear they’re putting their energy into a future hybrid version.

[@JFF-CarEditzz]

i can understand why Porsche hasn't changed anything much, because so many people are always complaining about how the new model is shit, but in reality some people need a lot of time to get used to the new things and then after a few weeks or months they like it, But that's all just an illusion because the manufacturers always change so much from the older model that we immediately say it doesn't look good

[@shouryachakre]

I think Porsche is following the formula of "If it ain't broke don't fix it", because a lot of people know that the 992.1 GT3 is already near perfection, so they just changed some bits and did some minor improvements mechanical wise. Talking about the engine is to the big thanks to emission norms it's very difficult to make power😔

[@StuKatz911]

Agreed

[@Climate.Realist]

Tbh. For me the front also looks much better without these indicators. Could be cost savings but at least well executed.

[@shouryachakre]

@@Climate.Realist yeah

[@hasanalothman27]

Your opinion is true and correct, But I will add mine if we will see it from Porsche perspective, first is the power, its pretty clear due to the emissions the power or the torque will go down little bit , the solution is shorter gear ratios, from our experiment the ST, then for stock application it will feel faster due to shorter ratios, then for the emission, let us say that not small number of the costumers who use them cars on the track will remove some of the emission to higher flow cats and our mission to pass emission has been done, for the ppl who will put high flow cats the will feel the difference due to the camshaft from the RS, with this tuning this platform will put easy 30+ hp, then the control arms if the are RS then the normal GT3 did share fantastic parts in smaller car and size! Better cooling and shorter ratios also a mission to give costumers who have the 992.1 the chance to upgrade. Now the ST yes its special but ppl will feel that the new 992.2 touring will do the same, but let us not forget the lower weight and less sound deadening + the most important part is without the rear steer and single mass flywheel. ST platform is the after market part for your normal GT3 if its normal in any shape or form. ST did provide us the delete kit of the rear steer, and the single mass flywheel. It’s a business at the end. and they want the costumers to have aftermarket part they say that some did pay enormous amount for the GT4 to have shorter gear ratios so the did it for GT3. Factory Part “OEM”.

[@scotturich]

My big issue is that they didn’t do much but they raised the base price by 53k

[@stanisawkulig3448]

Great, honest opinion! Exactly on point! Thanks!

[@stuartjarman1703]

I think, If you buy a 911 Misha, it should be a 997 Cup car converted for the road, not a new 911. You can probably drive a new one any day, and everyday.

[@mikeh.748]

That is one ginormous increase in price from 992.1 compared to 992.2. And I thought the increase on a 911 T from one year to the next was huge. Apparently not compared to this. Sheesh.

[@CJ-gh4eh]

I think they should of used the technology from the GT3 R with the bigger bored out engine.

[@jensis]

Almost fully agree with Misha, but regarding price increase, I have to defend Porsche (factory) - Dealers in USA and GB increased prices a lot for the allocations. Porsche said: now we earn that money, not the greedy dealers 😐

[@lambdee7006]

The dealers will still jack up the price. The consumer loses.

[@tyler9703]

I dont understand feeling "disappointed". Its still a great car, and it HAS been improved in incremental ways. The sorter gearing for instance is a huge win from a small change. The backseats in the Touring variant really improves the livability. Not every refresh has to be a generational leap when the car is already so good.

[@stefanschuchardt5734]

People are just spoiled. He doesnt even drove the car and already disappointed. I smell clickbait.

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

The digital tachos, increased weight and Price (BIG jump).

[@howarda4242]

The shorter gearing was done to makeup for the lower torque and heavier weight. You have to spend more to get the same or less

[@markw9512]

@@tyler9703 because it’s a ridiculous price increase for basically no new feature content and some feature cut.

[@bhuuthesecond]

​@@markw9512you say that like Porsches were already bargains to begin with

[@belikof747]

you're completely right misha

[@pacojonesvaior9212]

Agree with you Misha, best evolution is getting 2+2 places in Touring... GT3 is way more expensive and first time worse than predecessor

[@rc51bigdaddy]

Love my 991.2 I bought way back in May 2016. It still ticks all the boxes for me. The whole 992 line kind of left me cold. I love the downforce of the GT3 RS but really that is a track thing.

[@Mark__A]

F80, W1 and now GT3. Disappointment after disappointment.

[@jjjfo1818]

None of those cars are a disappointment

[@dddd-uk4vn]

the f80 is brilliant, the W1 is good apart from the generic design, and the GT3 is just your typical porsche

[@Mark__A]

@@jjjfo1818 All of them! Compared to the La Ferrari, P1 or 992.1 GT3? All of them is a big let down.

[@BboyVReck]

Actually, Porsche needs to release 919 road car for that class.

[@Bensonater11]

@@jjjfo1818 Every one is a disappointment

[@jamesj97370]

TBH I've had enough of all OEMS charging a lot more for their cars and then also increasing the APR of finance whilst also maintaining the same residuals of models is absurd and greedy.

[@andyossie]

Stalantis is the main culprit for doing just that, as well as purposely running the brands into the ground

[@sub7up.]

Basically nothing new.. 😅

[@v12-s65]

a lot of not instantly noticable stuff, but there is more than enough new stuff going on for just a facelift

[@trevormcguff1697]

Except $40k more.... JOKE

[@v12-s65]

@@trevormcguff1697 were you about to order one? In my country it's 15k more not 40

[@wolvesbrigade1700]

I think it;s important to note as these cars get faster and faster, it becomes harder and harder to improve them. The 992.2 marks the beginning of that where the design is already so fast, that is hard to improve the package without doing some drastic, which would then turn it into a 3RS.

[@wojtech270]

I mean the engine is so amazing, i did not expect a change actually. Rear seats in touring are awesome, its sad that we lost an analog rpm needle😔

[@diegodivers]

I think all the updates are more in favour of the Touring: shorter gear ratio, more road compliant suspension set up, less nervous steering, folding buckets and rear seats. But is this is enough for an upgrade from a 992.1? Prices are to ambitious in my opinion.

[@davidkosa]

They used the lower gear ratios to compensate for the lower torque of the 992.2 so it wouldn't be tick slower than the 992.1.

[@SpiritGT94]

I much prefer the 992.1 GT3, looks more aggressive as well imo, this new gen front end makes it look way tamer, not a fan of the new front end at all, the back end looks decent but I still prefer the 992.1 over this one...

[@rushabhshah558]

I have owned 2018 991.2 GT3, which was a substantial upgrade compared to 991.1, and this update is surely a big compromise!

[@markusstevensakabiginfinit9523]

40k+ for a face lift & new spoiler seems outrageous to me... But that GT3 Touring is absolutely amazing.

[@HollandN54]

Porsche has been caught being greedy, that's the issue. There was no need to destroy the value of the latest GT3 and ST so soon. they just want to sell cars hopefully they will continue to flood the market which will crash the used prices

[@randomhero438]

I suspect a majority of the 992.2 budget was keeping the engine above 500hp while meeting new emissions standards.

[@ukwan]

Once the 997 4.0 RS came along the water cooled 4.0L GT3 NA car peaked, or very nearly peaked and theres only tweaks to the previous formula.

[@Cloxxki]

Please let this be a generation that soon becomes accessible to drivers who'd otherwise not get into modern Porsches!

[@staLkerhu]

In your dreams. The brand itself doesn't make anything for the average Joes. Even the used Boxsters or Caymans are traps, because sure you can buy them, but the service cost will hit you harder than a train. I don't know how old you are, or why do you have such delusions like this, but you among other people desperately need a reality check, no offense, JUST saying.

[@Mandinga-wo8xz]

Agree with your comments on the 992.2 GT3. The car weight was not mentioned. I believe this car is heavier too. So less torque and more weight. For the Touring you can add back seats. Not sure what for though. If you want a car for 4 then go for a GTS, right? And then the price….

[@darrenfield3717]

Think the car is to plain for the extra cost and the extra mods don't improve the performance 🤔 well said micha

[@chawktalk9339]

Misha is spot on... The problem is the devaluation of the previous versions, and thanks to this video 911.1 GT owners are thanking him... Fords does parts bin diver dumpster practice... can anyone say Mach 1.. where you build a car based on better components that are tests, bolt them on a car, and then undervalue every GT350 [ R ] in the marketplace... Seriously.. that is how you thank your client based.... Dumpster diving is lazy man engineering at a cost initiative to save the company money, while giving marketing to do or something to sell... While there is a huge delta in $$$ in mustang/ camaro performance vs 911T/ GT3... GTD and ZR1 are coming to reality that spending north of 250k is well... a greater area of options now based on offering... One comment on economics.. VW is hurting hence Porsche Ticket.. and right now.. is German company... but VW is flat.. and everything else is well. making money, but not enough to keep things afloat for long... IN America we call this TBTFF... and I have no idea how to say that in German language. so Micha , create a word in the German for TO BIG TO F****** Fail. You're right... Not worth it.. disclosure... I am a 2023 GT3 owner, and a 2018 Camaro SS 1LE owner heavily modified for the track performance.. 250K for Porsche GT3 Experience vs 55K with mods Camaro... Should have bought NVIDIA... at $94. per share... instead of GT3... and just deal with a lesser experience, but a much fatter wallet... Duh!! I wonder where why I might look next time north of 200K...Oh.. yeah... enjoy the batteries too... get use to it.. she coming..... Long live the Analog Naturally Aspirated Experience....

[@stoneeh]

Stagnation was going to happen sometime. Only major improvement possibilities I see from here on out is full carbon fiber chassis, and pneumatic suspension.. though I'm not even sure the latter makes sense for a purist sports car.

[@andrewhurstcars]

Hi Misha, Chris Harris said he asked them about screens and they aren’t any cheaper.

[@tzetv]

4.2L doesn't look like it will come close to passing Euro 7 (even with 6 CATS lol)... 992.2 3RS is going to inform the direction of the next GT3. My $ is on a T-hybrid setup for RS as it is undoubtably quicker. ICE purists - .2 Touring

[@Oldferdinand]

I don’t really think that S/T will be less valuable, cause it still has lighter flywheel, and analog tach. And I think there’s really not that much space for improvements, I even think we can get next gen GT3 with hybrid system, or with less displacement, hopefully not.

[@bexigesky2599]

In my opinion for petrolheads there will be a general tendency in going back in the years concerning the choice of a “new” car and not only for Porsche’s cars. Euro 6d is the last acceptable emissions norm in general with the exception of some Euro 6d-temp models until 2022, afterwards it’s BS.

[@tzetv]

Hmm money saving by using RS / ST parts isn’t a bad thing! Wing profile is different. Suspension arms provide 40kg downforce at top speed etc. I still prefer the Touring changes for the road - everything on my wish list tbh. Remove 2 Cats and you have the RS output etc. road wins: shorter gearing to use rpm, suspension compliance, ICE.

[@ej4z]

To me, the part sharing aspect is positive in the context that cars like the RS and ST are both significant step ups in the realm of difficult to obtain cars, the latter of which being nearly impossible to get unless you have spent the same as the GDP of Lithuania at a dealer. In that regard, getting aspects from those cars is definitely an upgrade.

[@coach4050]

i do get what you mean many brand did this , Porsche did fall for the remaking the same thing , if they do that they improve the product over all but here, i was like meeh at the end, i did like it but the improvement index is minimalistic if not almost unexistant. i mean most brands do this but Porsche in every special edition they trend to include tech for future models, example ( 911 turbo s exclusive series using a similar powertrain as the actual 992 turbo s) and the examples you did mention but here i don't know it doesn't feel like the improve this model.

[@qt4241]

You are right. I would rather buy 992.1 with MR package then spend extra 40k on 992.2

[@dwndraft9805]

Jorg Bergmeister said no plans for 992.2 GT3 Nurburgring time…

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

It says all...

[@vollcare4076]

I don’t see why the 992.2 GT3 willl be any faster than 992.1 GT3

[@TrccrT]

​@@vollcare40768% shorter gearing

[@davidbee9563]

The front suspension redesign(992.1) was a huge improvement compared to smaller changes over the past few generations. the next model is obviously going to be a hybrid which, if weight is controled, will be a big change. The only thing the engine lacks is torque below 4 or 5k rpm. Development needs to continue with the production models before it is ready for the GT models.

[@B14ckic3]

What I think Porsche is trying to say is : Guys get ready for a hybrid model..

[@StuKatz911]

Not!!

[@StuKatz911]

GT3 will never go hybrid

[@BRAINFxck10]

It's only worth it if you get the top of the line Weissach Package or Touring Lightweight Package, I don't think you'll be so disappointed if you drive either one.

[@melaniezimmermann-jv7th]

Please don't forget the Price difference.

[@the_mcmartin]

Cost cutting and a price increase is what mass market car brands have been doing for a while now.

[@alamos8]

Agreed. But at last, we still have GT3 in Europe. Without hybridation. It could be worse. We don't have GTR anynore, nor the cool Mustangs or Canaros, we have now a 2.5 ton M5, etc etc. But at least rich people still have options in sports car. Normal people... No more Renault RS, no more petrol Hyundai N, no more Opel OPC, no more Type R Honda after this quite expensive and very limited FL5, no more Focus RS, no more Focus ST (las units being sold now)... Cupras with 150 bhp eveywhere with the same look as the 300... If you don't like Golf GTI (which is also a lot of money)... you are left wirh a Cupra Leon wich looks worse than the previous gen, a Yaris GR if you can get one and want to pat 50k+ for it... and mayybe a Mini Cooper S, not exactly cheap either. Nothing else. I really miss the years of the Celica, Hyundai Coupe, Honda Integra and several Civics, RX8 for the rare, cheap MX5s, Clios RS and meganes RS each faster than before, sveral GSi abd OPCs, ST, RS, etc.

[@PS91195]

100% Agreed! The car just seems to maximise profit I also feel like they have released it so soon after the base car to be able to move more units

[@adogmcdizzle]

I didn't realise the torque was down on the last version. Most of the buzz seems to be about the touring having back seats...

[@Chainwhips]

Can you just remove all the regulatory emission bits? Will the computer adjust and have a better power output?

[@hiddenmaterial]

Porsche is the Apple of cars when it comes to pricing now

[@alexandregeracao6345]

About the new suspension, on the Porsche website it says that it now adds 40kgs more downforce at top speed (suspension alone). Maybe the car does actually produce more downforce, lets hope so

[@fil2576]

I was expecting them to put at least a 4.2 litre engine in there. But now I agree with you, Misha. They could have applied for an emissions exemption. Because I don't think they make more than 1,000 a year.

[@philtechGT3]

As a 992.1 GT3 owner, with an allocation for the .2 GT3, I can’t agree more. I paid my 992.1 GT3 less than 200.00€, WITH PTS color. Now it would be ~250.000€ !

[@C.Brooks]

No, I agree!!! that's pretty ineresting how they just "undercut" the 911 ST's value by offering the 992.2 with a manual transmission. Like if I spent money on an ST last year I'd be pretty upset.

[@cw205mi16]

It's always been available with manual gearbox both gt3 and touring? The lower final drive will be to mitigate a potential slight torque drop. It won't get the S/Ts light flywheel

[@cben86]

Porsche did the same thing with the 991.1 R and the following 991.2 Touring. Prices on the R are still high.

[@chriswashburn9430]

They did the best they could given the emissions requirements. NA power is much hard to make when you’ve got meet increasingly restrictive emissions requirements. Can’t just turn up the boost. They’ll have no problem selling every single one of them.

[@jack-wo4xp]

30 to 50 euros price up, but then no more analog dials, becouse of cost savings???