Budget Rally? 2024 KTM 790 Adventure with WP Xplor Pro Suspension

[@BigRockMoto]

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[@diAx007]

For a serious upgrade, the suspension and wheels are enough. The tech package is not necessary, you can just turn everything off and ride. The footpegs, seat and exhaust can also be tolerated, they will not affect much. And the removed parts can be sold. So you can take 790, suspension and wheels. Sell everything you remove and you will have almost a "rally" for a reasonable price.

[@jaredandersen82]

Couldn't agree more!! As a 2024 890 AR Rally owner I'm 1,000% spoiled ... can't go back now!! The suspension is heads and shoulders better than anything else on the mass market.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Hi BigRock - I don't know about over in the US, but those suspension components are real big money over here in Australia. I first rode with them on a tricked out Norden 901. No denying they are fantastic. From that experience I considered buying a set and then swapping them through bikes, as they hold their resale value. I've held that thought :) They still require regular servicing to keep up performance.

[@BigRockMoto]

They are super expensive, but like you say, probably a good investment if you keep them around a while.

[@MrEtnorb]

Yes a mere $3700 for the shock and $5500 for the forks from a large Australian dealer. No thanks.

[@robvanduren761]

Ohlins also need servicing 5 times more than common suspension as well to work as intended.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

@@robvanduren761 servicing rates are higher for these as well.

[@edenf4519]

I have set on my 890 and they’re awesome. They are expensive here in Australia but for me they’re worth it. For me the solution is keep the bike until something better comes out.

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

Upgraded the springs on my transalp to .75N front and 114N rear as I weigh 210lbs. Had it done by a pro suspension shop, springs, shims, that's all, cost about a grand. Very good improvement without spending too much.

[@MrEtnorb]

I had a brief ride on my friends 790 Rally. He told me to aim for all the depressions and potholes to see how the suspension worked. As,I approached them I had my usual,expectations and memories of what that normally feels like. But it didn’t feel anything like I expected. After I rode through I was thinking that I had floated over all the rough stuff and something was wrong. That’s how good this suspension is. But for the vast majority of riders it’s an unattainable dream, with the ridiculous cost and stupid seat height. Ride a bike that is lighter and you can pick up and as others have said, slow down.

[@stephanematis]

"magic carpet ride" is the best description I was given. Reminds me how even in cars, the suspension is often the biggest change.

[@paullandreth-smith1546]

The best, and cheapest modification I did on any bike was getting my stock suspension properly set up for me on my Daytona 675 for the track. Immediate and incredible improvement in lap times. and that was stock suspension on a road sports bike..... can only imagine the difference this would make on a ADV....

[@CurtisBrandt]

As usual, very nice presentation. Suspension and wheels are a major limiting factor on these big, fast dirt bikes. At a certain speed, the suspension is, very simply, a MAJOR safety factor, and this should not be underestimated. Thanks for the detailed analysis. This is probably going to cost me. LOL.

[@radugrosu4073]

I like how Big Rock Moto just keeps coming back to KTM, Ian you just can’t keep yourself off these things! I absolutely understand 😅

[@AnFu2]

I've never paid much attention to your name and job title at the beginning of each videos until now, but man, those are some funny descriptions :D I like it.

[@machupikachu1085]

I had to go back. This is great!

[@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno]

I have Xplor (non pro) set up by Solid Performance for my '24 790. The forks were made symmetrical (preload, compression, rebound on both sides), re-valved and resprung. Shock re-valved. Haven't installed it yet but will soon.

[@ilkkajavanainen409]

100% agree with Ian on the spending first to suspension. This is after I have done almost all the other modifications (GET ECU, rally tower, plastics, stickers, etc.). Last week I sent WP PDS shock from 2016 KTM 500 EXC to Solid Performance for upgrade, service, spring change and re-valving. At the same time ordered Xact Pro 7548 forks and they will set them up for my riding style. Cannot wait to install them and go ride to work on the fine tuning with the available settings. 🏍️

[@SquareHelmet]

Suspension is key - I completely agree... However, in this case this product feels like great marketing 101: create a problem where there isn't one and then offer a product. Most of those who want to go ultra fast offroad - wouldn't pick an adventure bike for it. Those who pick an adventure bike - probably won't buy it to fly through ruts and holes... So, yes, this amazing suspension allows an adventure bike to do something it wasn't designed to do and there is probably a small niche market for it, but for most of us $7,000 would probably be enough to buy something (used) that's specifically designed for going very fast offroad. And keep adventure bike for what it's designed to do. With that being said, I plan to buy the best suspension I could get for my bike. It's a bike designed for offroad and I just want to make it even faster there.

[@RedRupert64]

You haven't mentioned people like me. I use an adventure bike for fast road riding (a sports bike, on other words). Our favourite roads are narrow and twisty back roads and mountain roads, often in bad condition. Here we need longish travel and softish suspension. I expect this WP XPLOR PRO to be ideal for my requirements. The standard WP XPLOR is too hard and harsh for my taste.

[@SquareHelmet]

@RedRupert64 I didn't forget you - I mentioned you here "there is probably a small niche market for it" 😉. It's just in my experience there are mostly people who want to go very FAST offroad and who want to go very FAR offroad, and they are usually two different people with different types of bikes. But also I may simply be wrong in my observations. Ride safely brother!

[@albunge4442]

I did this very upgrade on my 2022 Norden 901. I kept it at 240mm vs going all the way to 270. Its awesome now. You can't pry that bike from my cold dead hands. Will probably own it forever! I got my suspension from Carl's Cycle in Boise. They custom sprung/valved it for my weight and riding style.

[@justsomedude445]

i went with Tractive Extreme shock and fork drop ins for my 2022 901 , its really good even great id say but ill always be wondering what im missing with the cone valve PRO stuff , at the time i bought those were the only 2 suspension upgrade options and they were getting $6500 u.s.d. for the WP-PRO parts alone befpore instal

[@toma.2814]

@Albunge4442 how much did it cost you?

[@albunge4442]

@@toma.2814 $6300 delivered to my house.. That was 2 years ago, so could be a bit higher now. I decided to go with 240mm vs 270mm.. In talking with them they recommended that. The only thing you loose is the full travel on really big hits. What you gain is a seat height not a mile high and a lower center of gravity. I'm very happy with the 240 set up...I'm not jumping 40 feet with it so 240 is just fine!! The nice thing is that its just a spacer in the forks and shock, so can be changed to 270 if you want. Now that I have had it at 240 for 2 years, I love it and would not change to longer. I wanted the the super plushness on smaller stuff and enough to absorb the big hits like a rain wash on a jeep road going 50. Its AWESOME for that.

[@7arkhwf]

Thank you bro, so informative additions

[@IRLtrolls]

I agree with everything you said. Suspension is the most import thing on a motorcycle. It’s a major hold back on my Super Tenere 1200. Looking at upgrading it with an Olihns suspension soon

[@nowyouareoneofus9684]

There is a time and place for all people. Also for this guy. He does very well what he does.

[@plurz215]

Looks awesome mate! How do you think you would you go about upgrading 1290SAR suspension?

[@jameshealy4594]

Just bought a 2017, very interested in any answers to this question!

[@7arkhwf]

+1 👍

[@bugs7425]

Could you do a comparison with resprung & revalved 890 R suspension set with the xplor pro set? Reworked stock suspension would be around $1500, compared to the $7000 pro package, but would the performance be close?

[@mfranquemont1884]

Add another contestant for a total of 4: Stock Stock with revalve & spring Tractiv-x-treme. Xplor pro Would be nice if all were 240mm, but anything will work!

[@bikegiant1376]

This is exactly why I switched from a Desert X to the 890 Rally.

[@dashuntas.m4045]

How would you compare the balance and stability of both bikes, especially with regard to their different centres of gravity?

[@7arkhwf]

​​​@@dashuntas.m4045 I'd like to get answer to this q. as well 👌 Also, is it feasible, to use this amazing suspension, WP Pro, on the DX, or that is stupid?! Pardon my lack of experience 🙏

[@richieford3176]

Excellent , informative as always , totally agree , set up and balance are everything, a day in the classroom learning setups is worth countless wasted hours falling off 😊

[@easy4steve]

i totally agree with you Ian , get the bike dialed in for your weight does make a massive difference . good video cheers Steve/Australia

[@breeno59]

I did the 6500 XPLOR forks upgrade and a TracTive rear shock on my '23 690 Enduro R. EPIC! Bike is so much more fun and much safer to hit the rough stuff. 100% worth it!

[@BigRockMoto]

nice!

[@lorenzotelleria4200]

Me and me best friend ride a lot of hard ADV (heavy enduro?), i own a 2021 T7 and he used to ride a BMW F800gs, and that bike reached its limits really quickly on the terrain we ride, that led him to upgrade to a used 790 Rally, and after the first time out on faster roads, he was leaving me in the dust (like I used to do on the T7 when he was on the BMW). And after trying out his bike, I decided to get high end suspension for my T7, as it's going to be more cost effective than selling and buying a KTM, plus I also prefer the T7 plataform for reliability, simplicity, and I dont need 100hp off road (it looks better in my opinion too). I'm getting Showa Works forks with 240mm of travel (KYBs are just too expensive and the Ohlins equivalent only has 220mm which i think is on the low side) and either Tractive or Ohlins shock, and I can't wait to try it out!

[@BigRockMoto]

nice!

[@damytzeus]

i haven't watched your channel in over a year. you've matured as a vlogger. you seem much more comfortable in your role. i appreciate the analysis and education. good stuff.i have 890 rally and, yes, the suspension is absolutely remarkable. fantastic. i totally agree that the main concern with riding rally suspension is destroying tires and breaking wheels. wheels and tires cannot perform to capability of the suspension on a heavy bike. on 890,. i run excel a60 front wheel with neutech tubliss and tubeless 2.5" excel rear rim. i think that i'm on my third front rim and i've ripped several tires. so much fun.

[@CurtisBrandt]

You are so right. There is no getting away from the fact that in any version of motorsports, speed has a certain price tag associated with it!

[@stevencote7951]

As a DR650 owner I couldn't agree more about suspension.

[@jimpartin1144]

I just upgraded the suspension on my Suzuki Vstrom 800. I had new linear wound springs, RaceTech Gold Valves installed in the forks. I also installed a stiffer spring on the shock. Now my sag is set at 30% with minimal spring preload. The difference was immediately apparent. Best upgrades are suspension and tires, everything else are just farkles.

[@donlyle3651]

I agree. Had the Racetech rep in Colorado do front and rear conversion on my 2017 650 V-Strom ($1,100 US). Weight tuned for 15 pounds of stuff and 18 pounds of me. Two to three times better offroad, minimal bottoming. Much stiffer onroad, but way better in crosswinds. Money well spent.

[@donlyle3651]

Uh. Make that 185 pounds of me. I'm trying to lose 18.

[@jimpartin1144]

@ Did Tyler do the work for you? That’s who I went to.

[@donlyle3651]

@@jimpartin1144 Yep. That's the guy. Picked up the bike, did the work and brought the scoot back to my place.

[@jimpartin1144]

@ Tyler is a real find! He was patient and took the time and was patient in answering my many questions.

[@williamb.6918]

As crazy as it sounds the annoyance of the X-Trig adjuster would largely have me avoiding the Pro suspension. I am just not pushing hard enough or fast enough the majority of the time (and you can push the later R suspension fairly hard) to want to deal with 120 turns of the X-Trig adjuster with a nut driver and carrying a little brass slide rule to measure gap vs just a few turns of the standard Xplor pre-load knob when I am transitioning back and forth between riding with and without luggage which is pretty common for me when riding to a rally, unloading, and then riding around. When the going gets really fast and really rough the Pro wins out, but it is too much of a corner case for me. If I were running pretty much anything else (i.e. Kayaba on the DesertX, Tuareg 660, or Tenere 700) I would probably immediately go to the Tractive X-Treme line to get something comparable to the standard Xplor line included on the R.

[@BigRockMoto]

I agree that adjuster is a pain.

[@advredbikes]

Thanks, Ian for this great video, nice to see what you can do on certain bikes, it looks pretty cool and looks like it handled so well glad you enjoyed it. I am looking at upgrading my suspension 2016 CRF 250 L Honda. Looking forward to your next video.

[@leberkas_adv]

i'm on a 890R '21 ans i'm constantly thinking about the xplor pro!

[@JamesMorgan2]

All add this to things I didn't realize I needed until I watched this channel. Thanks a bunch Ian... I know you've covered some suspension install stuff in the past, but do you have a sense of how complex this would be to install on an 890?

[@bigjoe4020]

The answer to you question at the start is NO ! Why not: Because its expensive. It makes more sense to buy a bike with the suspension you want to start with like the 890 R OR just slow down to the point where your suspension can cope ! Of course I am speaking here from a point of view where money matters with limited budget. If you have money....go for it.

[@gregweeks4980]

A really good article on what's actually important on a dirt bike. Texas on the prairie

[@paulgoss7596]

I did my front and rear suspension on my DR650. full cogent kit on the front forks and replaced spring on stock shock. Had to match my weight and gear

[@michal_z]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and reminding how important the suspension is. Totally agree with you. However I know many bikers who don't even adjust the preload. from my experience it is because many don't understand how it works, it is difficult to understand it, it's kind of scary to touch it 🤷🏽‍♂️ I know it because I was one of those riders. Thankfully now we have YT where you can find some decent people sharing their knowledge like MADTV, Off-road of course and yourself to name a few. 💪🏽

[@jenspovlsen6622]

Very informative - as always from your hand😊 I feel that I am left with onw question however: How much would an upgrade like this - or better suspension in general - matter to an unexperienced rider such as my self?

[@Checkmate1500]

I bought a second hand but almost perfect 1k miles bike 890 adventure. I loved it but off road became the thing for me, so I spent £4500 on Tractive Extreme and the bike is now a beast. Personally the Akro's are just bling to scratch, I did get a rally seat, better foot pegs and the R screen to tidy it and now it is perfect in my eyes. So it is worth doing but start on the bike you own or get a good used one 🙂

[@machupikachu1085]

Does the 890 R Rally upgrade the camshafts to ones that are not made out of chocolate?

[@bpatinas1578]

Cheesewiz pro cams - it’s gonna look awesome in your garage or endlessly at the dealership with the ktm cheesewiz cams

[@IanSmart-g6y]

vstrom 800de, I find I'm close to bottoming out the forks on a spirited road ride let alone hitting woops or ruts on dirt roads at a reasonable cruising speed. Would really like to retain it's inherent plushness though.

[@To_who_knows_where]

During 2022 into early 2023, I was looking for the 2021 890 Adventure R Rally on the second hand market, but with only 7 in the UK these just didn’t come up for sale when I was looking. So I enquired about getting the XPLOR Pro upgrade for my 890R from one of the limited UK dealers able to supply these components in March 2023, and I was told there would be a lead time of 3 months. When I questioned why so long, I was told ‘it will be custom built to order for you’. But I also had to buy new springs for the forks & rear shock, so not exactly custom built as should be shipped sprung to my needs from the factory, right? At £5,000 GBP for forks, shock, new springs, Rally brake lines, Rally side stand plus labour; I would have expected a quicker turnaround at this price point. But today even with the price increase on each item, the same dealer is listing these parts for less money than almost 2 years ago as it now needs to be discounted to entice the limited number of riders willing to purchase! There is a market for the second hand 7/890R model suspension within the UK as some S model owners wish to upgrade without the need to trade-in a bike they know. The Scotts steering damper is a fantastic upgrade for anybody that can push these bikes in the dirt or especially in the sand.

[@JasonRidesmoto]

Love love my ‘24 790 Adventure. Got a MotoStill wrap on the way… but loving it stock for now. I like the R front fender you did there!

[@easyaussietarget3355]

Trying not to curse while "Ready to race" is tearing your arms out of their sockets. Great video Ian

[@yorkchris10]

WP XPLOR is available for other makes of motorcycles?

[@alvaromarcos6253]

Hi Ian, a little bit unrelated but, you are not speaking anymore about 890 adventure base model 2024. I guess because it’s being discontinued but here in Europe they still sell it. Do you think it’s worth an extra 1000$ over the 790? You get the extra 10 hp and the suspension adjustability. The price difference used to be bigger but not anymore. What would you do if you had to choose one?

[@Project_789T]

Best upgrade for any standard 790/890 but @Big Rock Moto I’m also doing my motor 😂 suspension was done a while ago.

[@nomading_in]

hah I had a feeling you'd try this upgrade Ian! Generally, I think this new 790 is a nice upgrade platform, considering how cheap the starting price is (and the core of what you get is top notch, in my opinion). Doing it this way, you can buy the suspension and move it from bike to bike thereafter, whereby if you buy the 890r or Rally you'll have to leave it on there when you sell it...which is a nice way to look at it from an investment perspective, if that's your budget. You're then only really worried about stock depreciation, which is probably about the same. Lyndon Poskitt was kind enough to give me his old stock Norden 901 suspension which I swapped out on this model, and I think for me that was enough to make a big difference in terms of comfortably carrying more speed offroad and not losing too much speed coming off obstacles...and I like how it didn't add too much height. I'm sure the pro suspension would be another leap, but I'm not there yet as a rider.

[@Meldonator]

I do 110% agree and yes, unless I go for another bike, I'll update my suspensions. The 800DE is an awesome bike but she's too plush when the going get tough (5% of the time for my usage) PS never got why the austrians from White Power changed their name to WP 🤔😂

[@jimtitt3571]

White Power went bankrupt in 1991 and were re-established as WP the same year. KTM took a controlling interest in 1999. They are actually the initials of the founder (Wim Peters) and the suspension was originally marketed/brand identified as White Power because the springs were white, the powder coater in Holland only did white as their primary business was hospital beds. The actual original company name was something different.

[@Kneckhard]

this is exactly what i will be doing next spring! Buying a 790 ADV 2024 and then the big Forks and Shock! Do you need Longer Brake Lines in the front is the question....? GREETS from Mattighofen! :)

[@mangrumpyold1871]

I am planning on re springing my DR z400 for my weight. But I do not know what good suspension should feel like as this is my first bike.

[@lele.grazioli]

Honest question from the perspective of a very happy owner of a 790 Adventure: considering the high cost of purchase and more need of maintenance, why should I go for this upgrade instead of just settling on a 890 Adventure R? Ok these suspensions are definitely better than the R, but perhaps it’s not enough to justify all the above. Curious to hear your opinion

[@bryandaniel2528]

Curious your thoughts on Norden 901 Expedition with the WP suspension compared to the non expedition previously reviewed.

[@BS-jw7nf]

What rim size is this? The adventure looks so much better with smaller wheels. They should absolutely sell a simple supermoto version (or make the SMT cheaper)

[@paulrod6760]

Excellent video

[@67daltonknox]

The elephant in the room... how do we know if KTM has sorted the camshaft issue?

[@Michael_Shay]

I think the end of this video is the takeaway everyone should have. I'd love to be able to drop $7k on suspension because that means I'm suddenly extremely wealthy. But the bigger take away is suspension is super super important, and you don't necessarily need to spend $7k. I started on a 250l rally(terrible suspension), then I went to a DR650(also bad suspension), now I have a 701 Enduro. The 701's suspension is far from class leading, but I think it's safe to call it good or at least decent. Once I rode the 701 on trails, I realized how much I was missing. Suspension is not just a performance component, it's absolutely a safety component. The CRF250l is not a fast bike, but even a beginner rider could still out ride the suspension fairly easily. I hope to try a bike with cone-valves someday but I know it would probably break my brain and ruin my finances. It varies bike to bike, but there are cheaper modifications for suspension. Whether it's simply getting new springs for your weight(better than nothing), or getting something like a gold valve kit from Racetech. Suspension101's Gobbler product looks super interesting and the cost is relatively low(Hopefully I'll be trying it soon). KTM makes different cartridge inserts at a lower price point too. As far as I know, cone valves are the best, but it's important to consider your ability and if you could use even 60% of what cone-valves have to offer. Edit: It would be cool to see a video examining different tiers of suspension upgrades.

[@shortbusdog]

701 suspension is class leading suspension. The regular xplor suspension is quite good.

[@DmitriyAdv]

I spent about $1000 on my DR650 suspension and it made it quite capable. Cogent drop-ins and shock transformed it from a lumpy dual sport to something that could keep pace with proper enduro bikes in singletrack

[@Michael_Shay]

@DmitriyAdv Yup. Suspension is honestly one of the best upgrades you can make. Especially to that bike. My DR only had springs and it was kind of a stepping stone to the 701 for me so I didn't want to invest the money in anything more. In some ways I miss it but I'm extremely extremely happy with my 701

[@DmitriyAdv]

@ right on! I had a 690 Enduro R, and it was a sweet bike! Not just the suspension, but also the chassis. That bike could go offroad as fast as was brave

[@Michael_Shay]

@DmitriyAdv Yup. It's definitely made me a better rider but I have to excercise self control. Every time I don't, it quickly puts my ego in check.

[@timsalabimbombassa]

It’s great, but there’s very very good alternatives on the market that are half the price. A 790 with Tractive extreme suspension (inserts at the fork, but you can raise suspension stroke up to 240mm if you want) would be absolute bang for very competitive buck.

[@davidmcmillan1477]

Is there a more budget friendly suspension, maybe with half or more of the capability increase? Also curious what this would do to other bikes like the KTM 690 or a DR650. A tricked out DR650 is for sale near me and it is tempting.

[@donkeizluv]

How is this WP Pro compares to the custom revalved you had on your Husqvarna 450?

[@deanbrown9611]

Quality, well set up suspension can get you out of trouble, poor suspension can get you in to trouble.

[@mda1856]

Can you compare this KTM trick suspension with the Tractive suspension you installed on the Honda Transalp? I understand there is a big price difference and the machines are very different design intent. Still, you tested both on the same terrain and probably can make a more informed comparison than most.

[@BigRockMoto]

the tractive feels horrible compared to this, it's not even close.

[@wanderlpnw]

There was a first gen 790 rally for sale locally for $10k. That thing was ripe for a swap with a new 890 R. It didn't last long. I wonder if someone did that. You could even have someone refresh the suspension for a few hundred and it would be like new.

[@flattopwill]

Very interesting! I like the idea of having Rally performance at a lower price tag. Sort of hot rodding. Too bad the suspension is so uncommon you’re unlikely to get it for anything except full, new price.

[@davidkinkade4764]

Love the unique topic! Quick question, will this suspension technology ever trickle down to base models? Will all bikes in a decade have the cone valve technology, and we’ll all be rippin across the desert at 60+ on 450lb bikes? Or when does a technology only ever stay within the top tier models/trims vs trickling down?

[@jimtitt3571]

Probably not, the cone valves are just another tuning possibility with their own up- and downsides, they work well if you are agressive but you lose out on mid range feel. Some pro riders run them, some don't, some even swap to Kayaba internals.

[@JasonRidesmoto]

Where did you get the exhaust that fits the 24 790?

[@DavidODonnell-Breck]

I have a 23' 890 R, had an older 690 Enduro R before that. Both forks have the same issue. The initial travel is too harsh and bounces / deflects over small undulations rather than tracking properly. On-raod too harsh over sharp hits like expansion joints etc. No amount of adjustment can fix this. Does the WP Xplor Pro solve this? Does anyone have a real world comparison of a WP Xplor revalved vs Pro?

[@JeffAdairKTM530]

Did racetech do this? I put those in racetech Gold valves in my WP forks but Race tech did fail at setting my bike up right.

[@justsomedude445]

no

[@justsomedude445]

wow !! when i bought my 901 there were only 2 options for suspension upgrades , this WP-PRO set up which at the time the kit was $6500-$7000 u.s.d. + instal & any re-springing ect so crazy crazy expensive - OR - Tractive Extreme for half of that , the Tractive is darn good......... wish i could ride a 'Rally' and see what im missing though.......

[@bmwbob51]

I had a 2021 890 Adventure R with stock WP front and rear. Compression damping sucked even after having front professionally tuned!

[@ehiggins7476]

For the average intermediate level rider that does BDR's and explores the local trials, how is this compared to the WP Explorer? Will someone with intermediate level skills even get the benefit of this upgrade?

[@BigRockMoto]

If you are unhappy with your current setup, then consider the upgrade. It's a luxury really.

[@seethruhead7119]

can you even buy a rally model tho sold out where i am

[@JohnBorgJacob]

I noticed that the @11:12 the brake caliper bolt is cracked

[@syntaxmsi]

I'm envious! Even if I wanted to spend the money, it would just be too tall for me. WAH!!

[@rhoover5o]

the fact that the standard 790/890 come with the babyshit soft rims that they do is the biggest oversight on these bikes in my opinion.

[@dashuntas.m4045]

I’m trying to figure out why this bike looks so much nicer than the 790/890s I remember

[@anxiousappliance]

Not sure anyone buying the base model has this type of riding on their minds, but the way I see it: If you have the bike for a few years and its a keeper - when suspension maintenance time comes - why not go for it. I did this on my old hyperstrada that I'm not going to sell- full nitron, and did man-math: They're going to go into the suspension anyway and then I'd have the original sh*t suspension, so why not use that labor to put in new shiny things. And yes - it transforms the bike in a way that slip-ons and power commanders etc - just don't do. You can ride faster, smoother, really hone your skills, and there is a visceral pleasure that just wasn't there before.

[@danielmccaf]

I thought I was the Executive VP of Culinary Services :(

[@LooxJJ]

Personally I think 790 is better off roader than 890 - because of the price. Hear me out, they weigh about the same, but I feel better to throw 790 around on dirt than 890 because...it's a cheaper bike and I'm not afraid of damaging it (well...its still expensive but compared to 890 that is). I don't feel bad about a bike made in China getting dented around on dirt - so I push it more. A bit of weird confidence booster on my part :D

[@To_who_knows_where]

@LooxJJ with the handguard kit along with the aluminium sump guard / skid plate from the KTM Powerparts catalogue, I've not damaged my 890R when it takes the odd dirt nap 👌

[@mfranquemont1884]

With that logic a used 2019 790 adv for $6k could win Mx championships, or complete a BDR in one day! 😅

[@LooxJJ]

@@mfranquemont1884 True that. I also eyed very gently used Honda XR650R - but the owner is reluctant to let go of that unicorn :D

[@7arkhwf]

If only.. KTM considers making "better looking" & stronger! front, also besides using a hydraulic clutch.. This little Genie, 890 Adv R Rally, would soar so high, alone!

[@MLeitao]

You forget the front brake line in the 790 ans side stand, you need to change it cause it's short, not much but some more cost increase, on the 890R i think it's ok. I wouldnt do it, first because the money, second because the height, 175 cm, short inseam and 53 years old, if i was younger maybe. Good points, and it was fun when you said don't try it cause you will want it... :D

[@braaaaaaaaaaap]

You can get legit suspension for 2-3k. 7k is nuts. You just get it free.

[@BigRockMoto]

I didn't get anything. I borrowed the bike for a few days and then had to take it back.

[@ChopperChad]

In mountain biking we call it the hover bike effect

[@ogasi1798]

it's called pro for a reason, 95% out there can't get close to what a base model model can give, then the few remaining percent chase the R and can't utilise that - the pro spec (if not a pro or damn fast amateur) buyers are those people who are magpies (think they need the best for whatever reason, mainly ego) and those with deep pockets, same with the actual Rally model - i've seen a few out there with guys dressed to kill and they can't even keep up with us on dual sports ... but whatever, spend your money on what you like an that is what we should do if it makes us happy, i dont begrudge it at all, i just laugh when people think they 'need' this or that to ride better or go quicker - most of you would be better off getting the right bike and some setup that is right for you, oh and get some f'in training - when you can outride your equipment then go ahead an upgrade, until then just get the bike right and get yourself right - shedding some weight and getting fitter is a thing that many out there could really do with and that will help increase your riding longevity and enjoyment by magnitudes

[@easyaussietarget3355]

Well said!

[@gregggorman6197]

Spend your hard earned cash on suspension and training. I have had two suspensions replaced. One on a BMW K1600GT, and the other on a 1200GS. My suspensions generally wear out around 35,000 miles. My current GSA has 46,000 miles and the suspension is shot. Guess where my tax refund is going? Can’t wait!

[@rationalityfirst]

I would love to see a trend reversal in the manufacturer mentality: instead of trying to push for horsepower, try to reduce weight and improve suspension quality.

[@soubarnokundu1002]

I believe it’s easier to rework a pre existing engine for more power rather than tinkering with the chassis and the suspension as well.

[@Yt_xrider]

The cams,cams,camscamshafts.

[@derekm6236]

Why can't the bike manufacturers fit decent suspension in the first place? I can't believe that these mods are engineering rocket science, so extra manufacturing costs in the bike production environment should not be excessive.

[@michaelhuber8786]

Sad tha these bikes have cheese cams :(

[@BeatPatrol420]

Kove 450 and CF Moto 450 MT 🙏

[@vasiltsalta5643]

>Says bike is unparalleled >Bike is powered by a parallel twin So which one is it Ian?

[@CptSlow89]

Budget :D

[@robbee8019]

Set up , over spec xxx

[@bradsanders6954]

Im trying not to think about having spent 1700 on a shock for an 890R, after having every review tell me it was effing perfect as is. Every single review "its the best, its sublime, its plush".....I spend my 17K OTD and it is the worst, most rigid banging suspension to be found. Who pays these reviewers to do what they do? What bikes do they ride? Im on the first revalve on the 1700 dollar shock, it will probably go back again.

[@johnmartin7144]

I think I will need to sell my first born to afford a suspension of this order! 😜

[@robvanduren761]

4.50. I dont own one of these bikes right now although that may change soon . LOL LOL LOL Ian gets itchy feet and needs another new bike.

[@gregmartin824]

It seems that the suspension companies and completely raping the consumer. Other than a few different pieces of metal, a cone shaped thingy over shim stacks…. Where does the $7k cost come from? It makes no sense other than greed. I’m sure it’s good, it’s smooth and it has good quality components, BUT the cost is out of this world.

[@___SSS___]

These suspension upgrades are for rally racers not normal people.

[@jackfed]

I like the beard ¡

[@aaronfaust9548]

Sorry, I got shafted, cam style, on my 790. I'll never own a KTM again.

[@shedmotorcycles]

Budget? lol

[@bikegiant1376]

Hence the question mark.

[@Menz890]

I don’t begrudge anyone for spending this kind of money, it would be nice to have. Bottom line is that 99% of riders do not have the skill to use this system to its max performance, it’s also much more complex to properly adjust. Having your suspension done properly to you weight and riding conditions is more than enough for most riders and will save you $4800 dollars.