BUDGET Staccato XC? - EAA Witness 2311 Match X

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Sawtooth Tactical

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The EAA Witness 2311 Match X is literally a Staccato XC clone at less than 1/4 the price, but is it "jUsT aS gOoD"? It has all of the features of a high-end 2011: island barrel with integrated compensator, window cuts in the slide, optics ready, mag well, etc... The comp definitely works. It shoots fast and flat, but is it reliable? I've put 100 rounds through it, so far, and there have already been some issues. I'm going to document the first 1,000 rounds in a series of videos and we will see if the Witness 2311 Match X is worth it. Let me know what you think of this "XC we have at home" in the Comments and don't forget to Subscribe!
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@RockyStone-rr9wq
@RockyStone-rr9wq 8 күн бұрын
So you are doing a review after 100 rds using mags it doesn't come with and you don't even know it you mounted your optic correctly? WTH! Bogus as hell.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I did exactly what I said: first 100 rounds of a thousand round review process and I tried using another brand of 2011 mags to see if it would run them. That's totally normal. I've mounted A TON of pistol optics and have never had one come loose like that. I was just trying to be fair to the pistol, since I didn't add new Blue Loctite. I could understand a screw walking out a little bit, but this was pretty extreme.
@sambishop529
@sambishop529 8 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@LK-851
@LK-851 3 күн бұрын
I felt the same way. The intro makes you think this pistol has issues until you get further in and find out it’s the users fault not the firearm.
@weldingjunkie
@weldingjunkie 2 күн бұрын
Most tubers are full of it because they’re trying to get free guns going down the road
@tc300mag1
@tc300mag1 3 күн бұрын
Surprisingly I had 2 jams with mine both with MBX mags in the first 100 rounds. T/he prodigy mags and checkmates worked fine.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 3 күн бұрын
Interesting... I ordered more Checkmate magazines.
@loquette1
@loquette1 8 күн бұрын
This will be my 7th 2011/1911DS, with some new parts, EGW internals , re-springing, etc, a new grip module, and some gun smithing. This will outperform the XC for less than ½ the cost.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
That's what I'm thinking, too. I've already ordered some parts...
@loquette1
@loquette1 8 күн бұрын
@sawtoothtactical404 yup, I'll be sending it to Scott as soon as I can find one. There is out of stock everywhere. In the meantime, I'll be ordering my parts
@OliverD619
@OliverD619 8 күн бұрын
Don’t know what’s with all the hate from some of the peeps here. Thanks for taking the time to review this gun. I have the XC but I will also buy this and customize it a little bit. Keep up the good work man.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Thank you! I'm going to customize this one a bit, too. It'll be fun.
@hawaiiangunner
@hawaiiangunner 3 күн бұрын
I remember in the not so distant past staccato formerly known as STI, made crap for guns. You would have to buy one of their guns and immediately send it to Dawson or Brazos are Infiniti to make it run. As a matter of fact all 1911's brand new out of the store needed to be worked on so they wouldn't Jam.
@garyokie4893
@garyokie4893 5 күн бұрын
I hear this gun is as good or better than an Infinity! Just thought Id add to the hype. 😂
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 5 күн бұрын
I'm not sure I'd go THAT far. haha
@roguemodel
@roguemodel 8 күн бұрын
A Staccato XC is a Staccato. A Girsan X, is a Girsan. No comparison.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
They're not the same, but there is definitely a comparison to be made. This gun was very obviously modeled after the Staccato XC, so of course that's the gun people are going to compare it to.
@chrispearce9224
@chrispearce9224 8 күн бұрын
So I got my first DS 1911 in the form of the Apollo 11 from Live Free Armory in Dec. '24. Really liking it so far after a full ammo can and multiple cleanings. Saw this 2311 Match X in the shot show vids and I believe is now on my short list. And I'd like to see the comparison of budges Double stackers in my own hands.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Double-stack 1911s are definitely addictive! I'm working on putting together a comparison of a bunch of them soon.
@Motoguzzi2231
@Motoguzzi2231 Күн бұрын
Don't care about the teething failures as I will not be carrying this as a defensive pistol, as soon as I can find one I will add it to my stable.
@MajorHavocGunTalk
@MajorHavocGunTalk 8 күн бұрын
So you admit it ran fine with the mags that came with it.. then it had failures with Prodigy mags..well Prodigy/Dura mags are not great anyway.. so why did you even use Prodigy mags ?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Yep. I literally said all that. All I can do is be honest and show what happened. Why would I not see if it runs with other 2011 mags?
@DadHominem
@DadHominem 4 күн бұрын
I would love to hear the Cliff Notes version of your findings, but as of the 4:30 mark, I’m done.
@JohnHerman-x7l
@JohnHerman-x7l 4 күн бұрын
Skipzguns’ video mentions that the gun is over sprung from the factory which is standard for all Turkish 1911 platform guns. He’s not sure if it’s due to laws there or on imports, or if it’s due to the fact that 9mm ammo there is traditional run at higher pressures than in the US. I thought it was good info, and I’m curious if reducing that spring weight can help with ejection consistency. Thanks for doing this video and looking forward to the 1K round update!
@roberttaylor6030
@roberttaylor6030 8 күн бұрын
The first issue is, I have no idea. But seriously, I'd put a 9# recoil spring and a Wilson combat extractor in it and I'd bet it'd run fine. Thanks for the info.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
Yep. I've already ordered some parts, but I'm also going to only run the mags it came with for the next update video and see if that makes a difference.
@BeckActual
@BeckActual 8 күн бұрын
So I have had a bunch of different 2011 mags. The only mag that I have ALWAYS had an issue with is the Springfield 20rd mags. Be that my staccato Vanta or Vudoo the prodigy mags are just bad.
@watchyoutube9553
@watchyoutube9553 8 күн бұрын
Glade they run in my prodigy like intended gun as well
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
That's what I've heard from a lot of people. They run great in my Prodigy, but apparently not in this gun.
@Tacticaltaco-kc9be
@Tacticaltaco-kc9be 8 күн бұрын
You have to use the heavier spring to break it in and once it's broken in you can put the lighter spring. I had to do the same with my prodigy. Also you should try the prodigy 17rd mag to see if it runs.. i only had issues with the 20rders
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I did the same thing with my Prodigy, too. It has an 8lb spring in it now and. runs perfectly. I'll put a lighter spring in this one, eventually, too. I'll try the 17 round Prodigy mag. After the 20 round mag had issues, I switched back to the Checkmate 2011 mags, but testing will be ongoing with this one for a while.
@Tacticaltaco-kc9be
@Tacticaltaco-kc9be 8 күн бұрын
@sawtoothtactical404 yes sir can't wait to see your next results!I just got an apollo 11 and I'm in the testing trials as well!no issues yet thank god!knock on wood haha
@colemanroyer9268
@colemanroyer9268 8 күн бұрын
I just wanna say, thank god you have tough skin. One thing that absolutely turns me off about the gun world is that a lot of people are great and super helpful but unfortunately just as many are snobs and completely dog on everyone like theyre the ones that invented the first firearm. I see this on every group, every forum, etc. If we as 2A supporters crap on everyone all the time instead of helping and being kind, who will be left to support the 2A?
@colemanroyer9268
@colemanroyer9268 8 күн бұрын
Also thank you for your content. I truly enjoy your channel and even find many videos that I see and think "probably not for me" but I try watching it and end up finding myself watching until the end. Kudos to you buddy!!
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate the positivity. I've never really understood people that just go online to say mean things to others, but putting myself out there on KZbin, I've gotten used to it. All I did was show exactly what happened, but a lot of people seem to have a problem with that.
@colemanroyer9268
@colemanroyer9268 7 күн бұрын
@sawtoothtactical404 absolutely brother, keep on rocking these videos!!
@JohnHerman-x7l
@JohnHerman-x7l 4 күн бұрын
Couldn’t agree more! Too many people, even the 2A community rely on social media for self actualization or self esteem by putting others down. Sharing knowledge or thoughts are great, but it can always be done without cutting others down. Let’s be better folks and keep up the great work!
@jaylockwood8701
@jaylockwood8701 4 күн бұрын
use comment on forums and after just getting chewed up on diff subjects i basically have no respect for the majority of armchair hacks that think they know more than everybody.
@chris3M2C
@chris3M2C 6 күн бұрын
That's not an "island" comp, "island" means the top of the slide is cut out and the barrel has an "island" that the slide moves around.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 6 күн бұрын
I get that, but I've also heard of the one piece barrel/comp setup referred to as such with the comp end being the "island".
@chris3M2C
@chris3M2C 6 күн бұрын
that doesn't make accurate
@loginpatrycjusza
@loginpatrycjusza 5 күн бұрын
Yes when describing xc barrel... The part where the sight goes makes it an Island Barrel. To the best of my knowledge
@DB2A7
@DB2A7 5 күн бұрын
So you did a review using mags it did not come with and you didnt loctite the dot. Great job buddy. DEI
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 5 күн бұрын
I literally said this was just the first 100 rounds out of a 1,000 round review process and testing a 2011 with other 2011 mags is a totally normal thing to do.
@noyb621
@noyb621 7 күн бұрын
Like saying "My Glock failed when I used sig mags. I hate Glock." That's not a thing!
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
Not really. It's more like saying my Glock failed when I used Magpul Glock mags. The Prodigy mags are 2011 mags, as are the Checkmate mags that it comes with.
@noyb621
@noyb621 7 күн бұрын
@sawtoothtactical404 point is, it wasn't a good review of the weapon.
@richardwilliams9815
@richardwilliams9815 8 күн бұрын
It's your extractor. Girsan's are junk. Needs to be tapered and bent inward. That's any or your feeding issues. Replace it with a egw or 9mm wilson combat. I've owned over 5 Girsans. And definitely Replace your sear spring. They are awful and imo not safe 😊
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I'm going to be doing some work on this thing, for sure.
@natiboynva2010
@natiboynva2010 8 күн бұрын
Hey I didn’t know about this pistol, I guess nobody went to their shot show booth. Those prodigy mags are the only ones that make my staccato choke smh
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
That's what I've been hearing, so maybe that's the only real issue here. I'm hoping so.
@perryjohnson5583
@perryjohnson5583 8 күн бұрын
I hate the RMSC optics cut for a full size gun. Like wtf are y’all doing. Make that optics cut for subcompact guns.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I agree 100%, but the Holosun EPS full size uses the RMSc footprint, so that's probably what I'll put on this.
@chrispearce9224
@chrispearce9224 8 күн бұрын
I agree. The double stacks kind of live in a competition world. So widen the slide at the rear a tiny bit and give us full size optics for this big tanks. That is literally the only complaint I have with my first DS 1911, that friggin RMSc footprint. And too be honest...I'm not sure I want a dot on this anyway. I have always shot open sights the past 12 years. For this year two of my friends bought pistols with optic cuts. OK, so I decided to get in on the fun and got the Apollo 11 and then the Holosun 507k with the Vulcan reticle. But the friggin red dot has to be lined up with the front sight....so what good is the red dot then? I'm toying with pushing the front & rear dovetail sights off since they aren't adjustable anyway, and see how I get along with red dot only. I definitely don't like having to line up the red dot with the front sight like it is now.
@chrispearce9224
@chrispearce9224 8 күн бұрын
Sorry...that was quite the rant. LOL.
@jagpilotohio
@jagpilotohio 8 күн бұрын
The slide is not wide enough to take a bigger optic directly unless you widen it or use a plate system
@perryjohnson5583
@perryjohnson5583 8 күн бұрын
It’s ok, I’m actually waiting on the new comp’d Mac 9 DS to release next month. It comes RMR ready.
@kevinllamar
@kevinllamar 8 күн бұрын
You need to change your Mag springs to Atlas +5 power for the prodigy mags if you have not done that yet.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Good to know. They work great with my Prodigy, but the springs are definitely lighter than the springs in the mags that came with this gun.
@DennisShcherbakov
@DennisShcherbakov 4 күн бұрын
Island barrel? Looks like it’s comped but not an island barrel, please clarify
@ACGBLR
@ACGBLR 8 күн бұрын
I refuse to buy anything from Turkey if possible. Rather support the American made side. I do want a 2nd XC.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I agree, in general. This is the first Turkish gun I've ever bought, but a lot of people are really interested in it, so I felt like it was worth getting for the channel to see if it's worth it or not.
@ACGBLR
@ACGBLR 8 күн бұрын
@@sawtoothtactical404I understand, I am not disparaging you from making videos. More so to the point”gun owners”, need to support our own country and not turkey.
@noyb621
@noyb621 7 күн бұрын
You changed mags and didn't use the right screws for your optic. That's not the guns issue
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
We will see. Next time I take it out, I'll use only the Checkmate mags and see what happens. I'm hoping it'll be perfectly reliable. Prodigy mags ARE 2011 mags, so it was worth trying to see if they would run reliably. It still had one malfunction with the magazine that came with it. This is just the first 100 rounds of a long testing process and all of it will be on video and put on KZbin.
@noyb621
@noyb621 7 күн бұрын
@sawtoothtactical404 it seems like a good gun that does what it should. Had you not changed mags, it wouldn't have jammed. I'm sold on it. Im getting one, too. Thanks for the video and response. Always like your short vids.
@yockhunter
@yockhunter 8 күн бұрын
You couldn’t use a RMSc plate to retain you rear sight?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
I don't know of an RMSc plate with a rear sight built in, but maybe there is one. A lot of the RMSc optics have a small rear sight built in, though, such as the 407K that's on this gun, currently.
@LK-851
@LK-851 3 күн бұрын
3 failures? Or is it 1 failure with factory mags and 2 with mags that aren’t compatible with it? My Glock doesn’t run well with cheap aftermarket mags so is that the gun’s fault?
@oneijack98
@oneijack98 8 күн бұрын
Now if they just made this in a 10mm, I would buy that. I got way too many 9mm guns.
@khuramsayeed8429
@khuramsayeed8429 8 күн бұрын
My Prodigy doesn’t like the Prodigy mags lol, everything else works fine, I’m hoping the +18% atlas springs work to fix them otherwise I have 6mags that don’t work
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
That sucks. My Prodigy runs great on Prodigy mags, but I keep hearing that most 2011s don't like them.
@MajorHavocGunTalk
@MajorHavocGunTalk 8 күн бұрын
That's a comp'd barrel, not an "island barrel " come on.. did you even check the optic screw size? Did you clean and lube the gun first? To many potential user errors not necessarily the gun..
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I said in the video that I cleaned and lubed it first. I've mounted A LOT of optics and have never had one come loose like that. It's RMSc cut and I used the screws that have mounted on EVERY OTHER RMSc cut gun I've ever had.
@Matt.e_Black
@Matt.e_Black 8 күн бұрын
Wondering how the direct comparison is to the XC? How’s the fit any wobble and how does the slide smoothness compare? Does it shoot as flat as the XC?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
It's honestly pretty close. The XC looks better and was more reliable, in my experience, but the slide is actually smoother on this. The triggers feel pretty much the same. Watching my XC shooting footage, the XC looks flatter, but it had a lighter recoil spring in it and a light, so once I get a light on this and probably an 8lb recoil spring, I bet it'll be pretty close.
@TheDiViSion007
@TheDiViSion007 8 күн бұрын
What optic fit?? Will RMR fit?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Nope. It is cut for RMSc optics, which are the micro red dots for smaller carry guns, like the Holosun 407K, 507K, EPS Carry, etc., but the full-size EPS fits the RMSc footprint and it's been my favorite pistol optic, so I just ordered one for this gun, because a full-size gun deserves a full-size optic, in my opinion.
@chrismiller5168
@chrismiller5168 7 күн бұрын
Now if only it was available in 10 round for those of us that live in crappy 2nd ammendment hating states. Talking to you CT
@billg4517
@billg4517 8 күн бұрын
The Vortex Defender CCW might be an alternate choice...
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
That would definitely fit.
@JayJackson-j5i
@JayJackson-j5i 7 күн бұрын
what retailer has this?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
I found it at my local shop, Guffy's Gun & Pawn. This gun is on allocation, currently, so most places only have one copy, if that, but more will be coming in stock soon, from what I hear.
@JayJackson-j5i
@JayJackson-j5i 7 күн бұрын
@@sawtoothtactical404 thank you! GREAT REVIEW
@RyGuy80
@RyGuy80 8 күн бұрын
Did the manual recommend an optic screw size?
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Manual? haha. I should probably read that and find out.
@joshuajackson577
@joshuajackson577 8 күн бұрын
User Induced reliability issues it seems. Cant wait to see the update after tinkering and break it
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I bought more ammo just for testing this gun in its stock configuration. Why would I not include the fact that it didn't run with another brand of 2011 mags?
@delontay87
@delontay87 8 күн бұрын
Other than a similar looking island comp, that pos is nothing like an XC. You wasted your money
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I've shot the XC and this is closer than you think. It's definitely not the same as a $4,500 pistol, but a lot of people are interested in it, so it was worth getting to test out for the channel to see if it's a valid option, plus, it'll be a fun project gun.
@Bowlnick
@Bowlnick 6 күн бұрын
Very hard to have any trust in these. The initial release last year of these were terrible. Here we are again with this gun choking. Tisas models same optic cut and you get to keep your rear sights. Look at all the crap you still here about the prodigy. They fixed there issues ages ago. I have 3 prodigy variations never an issue. Makes me think these models are a money pit. How about alpha foxtrot if you have want a comp? A few hundred more dollars but not xc pricing.
@PkwyDrive13
@PkwyDrive13 8 күн бұрын
I’m excited to get mine and just tinker with it
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
Yeah. I'm about to do some tinkering, too. First thing is a lighter recoil spring...
@Thomas-vt7cz
@Thomas-vt7cz 8 күн бұрын
So, if you know which is better the EAA Girsan Witness 2311 Match X or the Alpha Foxtrot Romulus??? 😎
@MRThelocokid121
@MRThelocokid121 8 күн бұрын
I got the Romulus comp and might pick this up instead of a p320 axg legion I’m looking at 😮
@Thomas-vt7cz
@Thomas-vt7cz 8 күн бұрын
@@MRThelocokid121 My man I am picking up the P320X Comp this week. 😎
@Thomas-vt7cz
@Thomas-vt7cz 8 күн бұрын
@@MRThelocokid121 How do you like the Romulus???😎
@MRThelocokid121
@MRThelocokid121 8 күн бұрын
@ love it. Wish they could come out with the rmsc to rmr plate already but let’s see what they plan to do with the first gen customers 😅🥲
@Thomas-vt7cz
@Thomas-vt7cz 8 күн бұрын
@@MRThelocokid121 I don't care about it being RMSC I have a EPS for it... I think I'm going to pick one up next month. 😎
@9494013
@9494013 8 күн бұрын
Where is everybody buying this at? Everything online is sold out.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
My local shop told me that it's on allocation right now, so they're in pretty limited supply until they can catch up on making and shipping more of them out.
@TacticalAshiGaramiTV
@TacticalAshiGaramiTV 5 күн бұрын
Wow
@liquid.r1des
@liquid.r1des 8 күн бұрын
I stopped watching at 47 sec. You move too much
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
Ok.
@jagpilotohio
@jagpilotohio 8 күн бұрын
I threw my prodigy mags in the gear junk drawer a long time ago. They suck.
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 7 күн бұрын
Yeah. This gun didn't seem to like them, but they work great in my Prodigy.
@jagpilotohio
@jagpilotohio 7 күн бұрын
@ I’m loading up on Bul mags. My Tac Pro 5” is spectacular and I’m getting a Tac comp when they drop in the fall. I actually enjoy the Tac Pro a bit more than my XC.
@MajorHavocGunTalk
@MajorHavocGunTalk 8 күн бұрын
Perfect reliability...??? USE the Mags it came with .. the issue was user related.. lol you chose to put cheap unreliable mags in it..
@sawtoothtactical404
@sawtoothtactical404 8 күн бұрын
I literally said that it only seemed to have issues with the Prodigy mags, which ARE 2011 pattern magazines and run perfectly in my Prodigy. Seems totally normal to me to see if they run in another "2011".
@Type2aPersonality
@Type2aPersonality 8 күн бұрын
Thanks for showing what it will and won’t run on.
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