9x19mm, 115gr CHP, (Tac-XP) Black Hills

[@25centsapop]

You're the king of ammo and armor breakdowns. Thank you sir

[@typhoonjenkins8330]

Black Hills is always so consistent it's just rock steady. Thanks Matt, really cool to see how nice the Black Hills did in the gel.

[@rangetime6779]

That is an amazing comprehensive review. All of the barrel lengths, velocity and gel tests. Keep it up!

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank You :)

[@GrindHouseBlues83]

These TAC-XPs are money! Love to see Black Hills loading them! Thanks as always for your hard work man, it gives this backyard ballistics junkie inspiration!

[@Tanya_Von-Degurechaff]

Dont know how you dont have more subscribers man, your videos are crazy informative. Theres some new ammo companies that seem to be gaining alot of steam lately but not much is known about them and barely any videos on them, ammo inc 223 rem 55 g fmj is very common lately as well as aguila 62 grain jbt 556. I would send you some but unfortunately i cant ship ammo in my state.

[@BuffRANGE]

No worries. I save up $$$ and buy some of these to test, other times manufacturers will donate :D

[@BatColonyEvictor]

First video of yours that I've seen. Great content and Subscribed!

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for stopping by! Glad you found me :D

[@giborchayil]

These and the Corbon with the same projectile kick ass!!!

[@M.H.D.actual]

When it comes to solid copper bullets I try to think of them in the next weight class up when it comes to how they perform. I.E. a 115 grain solid copper 9 mm bullet will perform similar to a 124 grain, or a 150 grain all copper bullet in 308 will perform more like a 165 grain lead bullet. Awesome video as always, it's nice to have these videos for a reference later on when making decisions.

[@wigon]

I dig the 80's synth/gamer music. Reminds me of the SID chip music made on the Commodore 64 computers.

[@zibby43]

Very nice work with this one

[@BuffRANGE]

Much appreciated! Thank you!

[@scottjenkins6972]

Looks great in 4 and 4.5 barrel lengths. I'm beginning to become a believer in solid copper bullets in handguns and rifles

[@MB-jg4tr]

Underwood 90g Xtreme Defender seems to be the best available IMO

[@michaelsorrell9922]

CARRYING TUI SOLID COPPER( TUMBLE UPON IMPACT)

[@louv4437]

Tac-xp work in every caliber always!

[@BuffRANGE]

If only we could get them to turn out a .22 cal version sub 35gr :D

[@northshores7319]

The 9mm Pistol Carbines make the 9mm more deadly as accuracy is improved with two hands on the weapon and the increase in velocity. I think the LA SWAT team used a Ruger Carbine in the late 80's, early 90's as they found they could snip off the nuts on a fly at 100 yards. Good show.

[@Adam-nv9zo]

Awesome video as always. 👏

[@Franciscoxds]

I would love to see a 95gr version of the tac-xp. Barnes really knows how to make bullets. I would love to handload them for my wife to make an effective/low recoil round. The only thing im missing is to see how it performs at different velocities. Im willing to send over a box or two if possible. Great video!!!

[@notoioudmanboy]

Thumbs up for the Rocko's Modern Life T-shirt. Is Australian animation popular in the US? Or is it super niche? I only recently found your reviews, I love what you do with armor, very informative.

[@BuffRANGE]

Rocko's ML was a big hit here. :D

[@timrobinson6573]

There's a bright future for solid copper ammo. The performance is very consistent and predictable. They tend to do penetrate and be less deformed against harder substances and barriers compared to comparable lead core ammunitions. And they don't have the lead exposure risks of traditional ammo. That last pat may sound silly but health and environmental restrictions will become more stringent as time goes on.

[@BuckFoeJiden]

Hey bud, have you done very many 243 Win videos? I'm working up a DPMS LR308 chambered in 243. Hoping to set it up in a SASS type format. I'm thinking my primary load is gonna be a 100 grain JSP, but I'm looking at other options in the 80-115 grain range for performance at the 500-700 yard range. Any suggestions?

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry my use of .243 was limited to some armor testing only.

[@BuckFoeJiden]

@@BuffRANGE no worries bud, I appreciate the response! I've used the round pretty extensively from longer barrels (24-26") in hunting. Not entirely sure how it's going to act in a 20" barrel, but I suppose there's only one way to really find out! If you're interested in doing an AR build outside of 308 win or 6.5 Creedmoor (or the watered down .260 Remington) I definitely recommend .243 or 6mm Creedmoor. From what I've gathered through nerding through velocity and BC numbers, along with videos on comparable rounds (I've looked at a TON of 6mm ARC videos on terminal ballistics, and extrapolated that data onto .243 Win via velocity over range) I'm pretty confident in the 6mm projectile performance. I've leaned heavily towards .243 solely for the variety of ammo available, and I've used the 100 gr soft points to great effect on white tail in the northern Appalachian region. I've opted for a 1:8 twist to get decent stabilization across the widest range of projectiles, and feel pretty comfortable that I'll be able to take it out as far as 1,000 yards with the right loads. (107 grain is probably going to be what I run for long range, with a .55-ish BC, at around the 2800 fps range) and the 100 gr soft points for general use. I feel like the .243 fills a big gap between 5.56 and .308, and out of a SASS type setup, *should* out perform the 308, once a solid DOPE chart has been built up. Not gonna lie, my wallet is already lamenting the fact that so much of my ballistics for my 18" .308 have fallen in line with what's already out there, and now I'm going to have to actually put in some real work in load development for a new round lol. All part of the fun though, eh? Hope you're having a great day man, thanks so much for what you're doing here!

[@MrShtbrick]

Great video as always. I'll be looking for this ammo for my M&P9C.

[@wastool]

Thanks

[@NvrchFotia]

The 115gr gold dot is great. What's surprising is a 115gr chp that performs.

[@MB-jg4tr]

Federal 147g HST is better at the same price point. Gold dots used to be the standard but HST has been outperforming them for many years now. There's hardly any difference between the penetration depth of HST in different grain weights in jelly tests, and the 147 does better holding together through barriers. It expands a bit more than the gold dot.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

@@MB-jg4tr With federals gen2 of the 147 HST it no longer expands bigger than the gold dot. I find it an improvement though since it would barely penetrate enough to meet FBI specs in it's gen1 version. Though they travel a bit slower and don't have a +P loading so I wouldn't use them in sub 3.5" barrels. The 124 hst in standard pressure or +P works great in micro pistols.

[@MB-jg4tr]

@@rileyneufeld7001 the new 147g HST version does work well, it penetrates nicely, and actually still does expand a little more than the gold dots even out of subcompact barrels. Preforms very well out of my 3.4" barrel.

[@rileyneufeld7001]

@@MB-jg4tr Agreed. just wish they would make a +P or a short barrel variant so it would have enough velocity to reliably expand out of short barrels. Honestly wish 9mm's would go with 3.5" barrels anyways, that extra half inch helps with IWB carry to prevent the grip from tilting outward.

[@MB-jg4tr]

@@rileyneufeld7001 they do reliably expand out of shorter barrels. This gentleman does excellent testing kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZuwdIOPebpopJY

[@nomad155]

I'm confused but what 115gr isn't effective? Particularly for better known brands?

[@BuffRANGE]

Pretty much most lead core jacketed, hollow points, in 115 grain are regarded as ineffective for minimum FBI specs

[@nomad155]

@@BuffRANGE I didn't know this. I heard of the likes such as Critical defense, and Underwood being reputable and even PMC being decent?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@nomad155 A good read is here. Basically most 115gr have inconsistencies for performance: www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#mozTocId759557

[@TerminalM193]

Where the hell can I find this ammo? Norma mhp is junk btw

[@Minutes-Mils]

Been looking around for a good 9mm that would perform well in my AKV 10.5 inch I'm using for a truck gun, I have a mag of the 90 grain Lehigh defense extreme defender, but would like something a bit more cost effective. Thoughts?

[@MB-jg4tr]

PMC 115g JHP, usually find them for around.40/round and they preform great out of longer barrels.

[@MB-jg4tr]

Hornady 135g Critical Duty is excellent, and a bit less expensive.

[@coreymoyers]

How deep is that HP? 115gr solid copper sounds rather long. I wonder how stable it would be at max range and how much case capacity the longer bullet takes up.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'd have to measure the cavity.

[@calangel]

All 9mm handguns have an excess of twist to stabilize bullets. They usually have a 1:10" twist, while 9mm bullets only require 1:18" twist. There's no worry about these tumbling downrange...

[@elsullo2]

THANK YOU for a very well done and useful test!..................................elsullo

[@BuffRANGE]

Our pleasure!

[@rob6850]

What Norma MHP was wishing to be?

[@BuffRANGE]

I think the Norma could be better if they pumped up the speed a little to get the petals to fold back and maybe increase the penetration depths.

[@rob6850]

@@BuffRANGE I think you are right. It seems a bit too slow for the lighter weight.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

Did the video just go from winter to summer? 8:25

[@BuffRANGE]

The power of many projects and so little time. I recorded a lot of the velocity for the video in the spring, then it wasn't till fall when I got it done.

[@buddysumner4022]

It’s hard to complain about the performance of this round, for a 115gr it was a dam good performer I was most impressed with how it performed out of the 3 inch hellcat

[@TerminalM193]

It's weird how the 147g seems to now work best out of the micro compact while the 115g performs better from 4-5" barrels. You'd think it would be the other way around.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

The heavier bullet helps you get a good burn in a short barrel.

[@Drknow-mx1fj]

Nice rounds thanks for sharing

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for watching!

[@Albinosnake1997]

I have some 115 grain tac xp loaded in 357 sig that do 1760 fps from my 5 inch barrel

[@BuffRANGE]

Holy Crap!

[@lowtdave]

See, its comments like this that make my money dissapear. I've been trying to not buy any new calibers but 357 sig really seems interesting to me. I don't know. Maybe I'll have to get one.

[@whiplash636]

Have you gel tested them? I'm wondering how well the projectiles hold up to that velocity on impact.

[@Albinosnake1997]

No I haven’t tested in jell I was gonna see how it holds up through water jugs as water jugs are harder on projectiles than gel. If they hold up to water it should in gel

[@whiplash636]

@Eddie Archuleta Yeah good point. I'd bet they stay together, but the petals bend back pretty much all the way. Anyway, that's impressive velocity for sure!

[@calangel]

Hey, I remember talking about the non +P Super Vel equivalent to this (standard pressure aka subsonic, with a softer temper; gets the same penetration and expansion as the featured ammo in your video) and getting roasted by a few rando commentors on this channel about it. Ha! Copper bullet weight, speed, and performance metrics are NOT comparable to cup and core.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

Didn't too too badly in the longer barrels, considering the copper bullet taking up all that powder space.

[@Albinosnake1997]

I wish underwood would load these up in +p or +p+

[@BuffRANGE]

Need to be careful there. one of those +P+ from them took out the 16" ARV-9 :(

[@calangel]

Super Vel makes the most effective version of this bullet due to the temper they use. They sell a +P and it gets a solid 1200fps from a 4" gun. Since these create more pressure than normal, a standard pressure is actually subsonic. These don't need the same speed as a lead core due to the thin mouth walls and internal cutting.

[@rhyswilliam8146]

They do now come ins 1250 fps for +p and 1300 for +p+

[@nated3663]

I’m trying to turn my ammo supply Into black hills and M855a1 only… litttlleee steep though

[@44hawk28]

The four and a half inch barrel length velocity is okay, I prefer myself to have closer to 1300 ft per second out of a 4 and 1/2 to 5 in Barrel. Why I like the Lehigh defense 124 grain hollow point that runs about 1,300 or better. The SBR should have been the highest velocity. Because usually you lose velocity after you get to 12 in. 10 to 12 in should be the highest velocity out of a 9 mm and out of that SBR that you have in this video that was abysmally low. 115 grain does not lend itself to being able to use much in the way of a little bit slower powder. And I am surprised at the velocity out of the 16-in barrel. But I don't recall hearing what the length of your SBR was. 25 yards and I don't know which gun you're shooting the accuracy test from. I hope that's not from the rifle.

[@jammbbs1688]

Sadly I have alot of 115 Winchester Silvertip ammo

[@MB-jg4tr]

It's not a bad round. I won't be sad about that.

[@Valorius]

Algorithm!!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Quinoa and Chicken!

[@pewpewTN]

Dosen't look like bad stuff.

[@TopTiergears]

😂 dudes sitting on a booster seat lol short king problems 😂

[@BuffRANGE]

Haha I am only about 5’9”