Buffy the Vampire Slayer Talk || s2e12 "Bad Eggs"

[@alleybox]

note: i only kept in my comment about marti noxon bc my opinion changes next episode and i found it funny how quickly she convinces me of her amazing writing ability after this. i also wanna try and learn the writers bc i like understanding their views on the characters so i like knowing their names. so dont come @ me, i know this is her first episode by herself lmao and i think she is a show runner/higher up on the show later on, so my joke is in no way meaning to be disrespectful, just sharing my first thoughts and i figured it would be interesting to see how my views change as a first time watcher :)

[@gradybridges]

Buffy Writers are rockstars. I remember during the writers strike in 2009 Buffy fans would send food to where the writers were picketing. The other writers were surprised they had fans. I can still remember all my favs-Jane Espenson, Steve DeKnight, Drew Goddard, Marti, Drew Greenberg, David Fury, David Greenwalt...

[@AmazingJaze]

Lots of people hate on this episode, but for some reason I remember it being one of my favorite one off episodes of the first 2 seasons. Perhaps if I watched it in full again instead of just 10 minute fair use productions on youtube I might be exposed to all the less than stellar parts that my adolescent self didn't have a problem with.

[@davewolf6256]

In case no one else mentions it, this episode was just supposed to be Buffy vs Cottoneye Joes. But Marti Noxon mentioned to Joss Whedon a nightmare she'd just had about eggs that were hatching and controlling people's minds. Whedon was supposedly so interested that he told her to add that into the script. Whether there is a connection between sex ed and the eggs is something I can't answer. You'll need to psychoanalyze Marti Noxon yourself to figure it out.

[@ibgvox]

Plot twist: Halloween was her first episode! She overhauled the script (I guess as a Joss request since he didn't like the original). Every writer had his/her voice and Marti became, faaaaaast, Joss's number 2 around Season 4. I'm not her big fan as a Buffy writer but I'm a fan of her as a leader. Ans she is so funny and nerd in a lovely way. During quarantine she took a few minutes to wrote me through Twitter and it made my day.

[@ibgvox]

Plot twist number 2: since you once said or wrote that you'll watch Angel....There is a writer, from Angel, that... Sorry but he is a genius: Tim Minear. And, de facto, a Joss clon. Plot twist number 3: Tim was the first writer to break stories without Joss. And Joss was a control freak...

[@armando7060]

I don't understand why people hate this episode. I love it and enjoy the monster of the week.

[@genjibenkei]

Tocayo! Opino lo mismo.

[@barbarabaker1457]

I don't hate it, I'm just a wuss. Those things are nightmare fuel.

[@anisioc.3426]

More than the hate itself, I’m always kind of baffled by how shocked and horrified some people are by it. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking “oh, alright, that was pretty fun!”, and then most people I’ve interacted with since are all “oh my god, that episode is SO GROSS and WEIRD and NASTY” and I’m like “...”.

[@armando7060]

@@anisioc.3426 I find those facehugger looking things gross, but I enjoy the episode.

[@n2nother]

It’s not my favorite but it’s definitely not the worst.

[@jjc5871]

“I’m gonna beat you like a red headed step-child” Lmfao I fuckin love that line

[@TheLokki242]

Also the X-Files theme is just becoming the official song for Xander reaction shots and I hope it stays that way

[@caveymoley]

Best line of the episode "I'm going to beat you up like a redheaded stepchild and throw you out in the sun..." For the simple fact that such treatment is equally fatal to vampires and redhead stepchildren.

[@robertwade3845]

Well, at least they weren't the eggs from Teachers Pet.

[@toshomni9478]

In my mind canon they are though so we finally get some closure with that cliffhanger.

[@sarahxo2317]

omg i didn’t even think of that it’s basically canon now😂

[@meravl7615]

How sure are we about that? This could have been one of the dads rather than mommy...

[@razycrandomgirl]

@@meravl7615 the male teacher brings the eggs from the bazzor and he distributes them the faculty and students

[@Buffy8Fan]

@@razycrandomgirl I think the possible point the thread is making is that perhaps the Bezor is the shapeshifter's true form. While I disagree, head-canon is what it is because it can be a person's individual opinion without destroying anything canon and still work because other theories also won't get bothered as the head-canon theory, again, isn't canon itself.

[@hamnster2094]

i can't, I CAN'T ANYMORE! Angel is a catboy now, it's canon because i say so and those bells have permanently changed my view of him!

[@mikelowe6865]

I rarely comment, but I feel I just needed to say I love your vids. There are the odd Buffy reactors on KZbin but a lot are just not good, they just sit there and basically show the episode for free in the corner. Your reactions are just so fun to watch and always genuine, but also your editing makes your vids just a joy to watch, in your reactions and on the Buffy episodes as well, despite knowing the episodes it gives us who have already watched something new to see, and the humour in them is so funny. And then at the end you give a good thoughtful opinion of the episode, just everything a reaction video should be. Only halfway through season two and I'm already hooked on your vids and look forward to seeing you upload due to the entertainment value you put in each video, can not wait for how much fun we've got ahead. Just a long-winded way of saying great job, and just keep it up because Im loving it.

[@alleybox]

thank you so so much!! that means a lot that u like the videos! so glad theyre enjoyable :)

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

I agree, some reactors just sit there, I think the secret of ASR's success was she is so voluble. Oddly enough Introvert Reacts is very expressive.

[@LeshaAnn]

@@MrLorenzovanmatterho Love IR, loathed ASR.

[@serinas4465]

@@alleybox I agree with mike. I watched the show when it first aired, I watch the DVDs regularly and still. The Kitten Bell for Angel is what I needed. Thank you.

[@quinnsinclair7028]

At the beginning Buffy sees that the vamp doesn't have a reflection in the side of the escalator but the way the scene is shot it doesn't come across very well. I've seen some people think that she just sensed the vampire because the shot composition was so poorly done.

[@alleybox]

yeah for some reason when i first watched it, i thought she saw the woman as a double and thats why she went after them. i realized the mirror thing while editing which makes a LOT more sense lmao

[@LeshaAnn]

OH!! Sheesh, I STILL hadn't noticed that, and I've seen this ep. like 4 times!

[@daliden]

Of course, as we saw in the pilot, Buffy is at least *supposed* to sense vampires... Doesn't really seem to work for her, though, so it's a good thing there are fashion choices and missing reflections to help her out :)

[@beachgirl4583]

Jouni Karhu, To be fair, the mall was fairly populated by the living. Buffy’s spidey sense would have been... iffy in that scenario.

[@danmakumi6164]

Omg!!! So that’s what it was!!!! Holy Crap!!!! Thank you!!!

[@TheLokki242]

In terms of writers, Marti is gonna be a big voice on the show. I find her hit or miss but some people love her a TON. My fave writer on the show (besides Whedon of course) is Jane Espenson, who will still be joining us in the future.

[@sierraflynn8722]

I don't know how to adequately reply to this comment other than to say some people also did not love her at all for a very long time. (But yes, very talented and did some great stuff.) Call her wildly erratic?

[@kyleellis1825]

MArti is either loved or hated. She really doesn't get a moderate response because she was pretty much the one who made SPike/Buffy happen and stay a thing for so long.

[@spacejack400]

I apologetically love this episode. Sure the monster is dumb and the Gorch brothers are lame, but the dialog and character interactions are top tier hilarious. Half the episode is pure hangout time with the gang. The face-hugger scene is wonderfully tense and creepy. Buffy and Xander teaming up to "do research". Buffy and Xander arguing about who should perform the autopsy. Buffy trying to keep a conversation on the rails with Cordelia.

[@beachgirl4583]

Apologetically or unapologetically? I used to dislike it, but it’s pretty funny. Xander: Can I just say *gyeurgh* ? Buffy: I see your _gyeurgh_ and raise you a *nargh*

[@kabauer24]

THE BELL...PLEASE. IT GET ME EVERYTIME- LOL

[@majingojira]

Fun Fact: The Vampire Cowboys and their massacre from before they became vamps is a reference to the film "The Wild Bunch." One of the most violent movies of its time.

[@Madbandit77]

In the film, Lyle and Tector Gorsh were played by Warren Oates and Oscar winner Ben Johnson.

[@TheBloobster]

This reaction is by far the best version of this episode

[@denewst01]

definitely one of the more filler episodes but you need something light from time to time - if you don't have those, then the more impactful stuff just doesn't contrast so much & have the same impact.

[@beachgirl4583]

Isn’t this the one with the Cordelia blooper, with Gorch? (On a blooper reel.)

[@mooble1325]

@@beachgirl4583 think that might be 3x05!

[@beachgirl4583]

mila, I think you’re right. I think it was during “slayerfest” in “Homecoming”.

[@ianburns1167]

I am DYING from Angel's bell sound effect. I actually really like this one for the weird demonic biology.

[@h.edits.s]

I love how they're kissing on the grave and then it goes to "in loving memory" because the next episode is basically when their relationship ends for the season so it's like "In loving memory of their relationship".

[@davewolf6256]

This is my guilty pleasure episode!... I'm weird. But the episode is all about how authority figures have an irrational fear about their children's sexuality. Notice, Joyce assumes Buffy didn't pick up her dress bc of "female hormones" (eyeroll). And notice that the sex-ed teacher is essentially teaching them abstinence propaganda using a lesson that doesn't work. Cordelia literally flirts with another boy saying, "Wanna make a baby?" And Buffy implies that she wants to have a child with Angel, until he tells her otherwise. Essentially, the lesson is based on the idea that teenagers do not want children because they don't want responsibility. But all of the characters lives are full of responsibilities that they are accepting, not running away from. I feel like this is one of the more important episodes of the franchise, even if it's one of the most overlooked.

[@anisioc.3426]

So many great points! Thanks for writing this up. I think Marti Noxon is pretty great at tackling some seriously uncomfortable issues and I’d wager that in many ways people are more turned off by this episode because of what it does right than in spite of it. Also, it’s rather interesting that, plot-wise, the true villain here (Mother Bezoar) is a creature that reproduces asexually.

[@Henrik_Holst]

Another note is that all the teens that dutifully adhere to the propaganda (aka closely guards the egg) turns into this large conforming mass of slaves to the cause. Also it's a great play on Alien and Invasion of the Body snatchers in a High School setting, excellent excellent episode.

[@4everbuffylover]

Abstinence isn’t propaganda.

[@ormirian5443]

Preach

[@TimStCroix]

@@4everbuffylover Abstinence only sex-ed programs have been proven over and over again to fail. If the definition of insanity is repeating an action over and over again expecting different results then abstinence only programs are insane. Teenagers have sex. Not all of them, maybe not even most of them, but a large fraction of them do. And unless you want to lock them in cages, they will continue having sex. Yes, teach that abstinence is best, but also teach them about birth control and STD avoidance methods.

[@booksarebest363]

I relate so much to: “Not my poor Giles”

[@TheJoscelyne]

Enjoy the campiness when you can, because this show can get dark. But you've survived Supernatural. You'll be OK.

[@AubreySciFi]

I see shades of both "Alien" and 1978's "Invasion of the body snatchers" in this episode. So I enjoy it. (Oh and the Vampire Cowboys massacre is referencing "The Wild Bunch". So there's loads of homaging going on in this episode.)

[@christianmosqueira1985]

I just love how you ring a bell for Angel because of Xander's comment in that one episode 😂 love it ❤️

[@TheOriginalJammyOne]

Cotton Eyed Joe had me in fits of laughter! Still got Sparks Fly stuck in my head though. 😆 🎶

[@FrancesW-]

I thought it was especially appropriate that she used a song that's genuine Americana, but the cheesy euro-electronica version. It speaks to the authenticity of these guys' cowboy act.

[@angelachrisco9850]

I have been a avid Buffy fan since 1996. I have enjoyed both watching you watch Buffy and enjoyed watching all the Buffy's again myself.

[@jennajaggers]

This is an amazing episode and no one can convince me otherwise.

[@fuionochingsung5091]

There's a show from the 80s called Moonlighting. It starred a young Bruce Willis and Sybil Shepherd. He was the Xander to her Cordelia. They were work partners who were total opposites who loved to throw mad shade at each other but ended reluctantly together. Xander n Cordy were much like them.

[@theowinters6314]

I agree, I would love to a story where the 'chosen one' kid instantly goes to their parents and tells them everything.

[@adamgannaway]

This one might be in my top five least favorite episodes. But I do find it hilarious how Xander cheating and boiling his egg leads to the gang to figure out what’s going on. It is fun to learn the writers. You will notice some gravitating to certain themes and/or characters over time. And while not not all of her episodes are gold, Marti Noxon does end up being one of my favorites!

[@Shadowman4710]

While nowhere as good as "Ted" I've always enjoyed this episode. I mean come on...who doesn't love the Gorch brothers? "Tector!!!!!"

[@lynnevetter]

Ahahaha, the quote of the day. "What?" -Angel. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Sam_Martyn]

this is gonna sound so soppy but ive had such a shit day and I got a lil bit in my feels and was hoping you'd upload and u did 💖💖

[@alleybox]

Sam Cunningham hope your day gets better, my dude!

[@Sam_Martyn]

alley box. big love 💖💖

[@brookechappell5478]

The facehugger critters are in a SFX category I feel like you only get with practical effects: the “this is objectively terrible but also I am going to have nightmares” sweet spot. They’re so obviously being dragged around with string and yet still manage to be so DO NOT WANT.

[@felixd.5099]

Cotton Eye Jo...haha....classic 90s. Released before you were born actually.... :)))

[@jimc7445]

True this isn't the best episode but I really enjoy it. It is their version of 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers". I like the two cowboy vamps. When the surviving vamp blames Buffy for his brother's death and Buffy's reaction makes me laugh every single time. Also, SMG is very attractive but there is something about her coming out of the pit covered by the black goo that I love.

[@DaveF.]

Absolutely - like many other episodes of Buffy, this is the typical high-school plot with a twist - and clearly, in this episode, the 'moral' is the horrors that await teenagers if they have sex. If only they could have played this out in a better written episode. You're right about the music though, it's far better than this episode deserves. As for the lingering on the antics of the Gorch brothers, the only reason I can think of why they spent so much time with them would be something along the lines of 'crap, we've got 42 mins of air time and 34 mins of plot'.

[@charlesbaldwin3166]

Now I kinda want to adopt a cat call him Angel and make him wear a collar with a bell. Well I already wanted to get a cat but I can't.

[@Majoofi]

Writers rarely write an episode by themselves even so credited. Most of them in interviews credit Joss as coming with anything good in their own episodes.

[@alleybox]

yes, thats what ive been told as well. which is interesting bc on supernatural, it is so clearly different writers each episode, so im glad this show has a stable tone and theme throughout due to their always being Joss looking it over. so yeah the only reason i mentioned the writer is bc im so used to that being a huge factor on if an episode is good

[@1nelsondj]

@@alleybox I've read that Joss adds a lot of the jokes to the scripts.

[@randall-king]

That’s the way Seinfeld worked. Each of the writers credited with the episodes wrote it first, but Jerry and Larry touched all the scripts.

[@mdeluxe1929]

This episode has a purpose.

[@Aysha3338]

I love the Buffy angel scene at the end 😭

[@razycrandomgirl]

Their kisses were very loud. When these episodes first aired I remembered rolling my eyes at them because I thought I knew where this was going and I was already bored by them.

[@TheLokki242]

This episode is certainly a dud, but it is the kind of dud I adore. I find this one so silly and so fun, but yeah its a bit of a mess.

[@queerythingsart1455]

No wayyy this episode is hella creepy!!

[@mooble1325]

'quote of the day: 'what?' - angel, anytime he is in an episode' HAHA

[@SonicLamb]

A lot of people hate this episode, but it brought me one of my favorite Buffyverse vampires: Lyle Gorch

[@katthor7311]

Gotta say, I love your quote of the day in this video. :D

[@LDNLaura]

Buffy turns off her bedside lamp and it's not any darker

[@fad23]

Welcome to television lighting!

[@jeanetteking434]

fad23 no this is a problem with the remaster. Watch passion of the nerd’s video on the Buffy remaster. Buffy’s room is supposed to be darker.

[@LDNLaura]

@@jeanetteking434 yeah I saw that. I noticed it in other shows too

[@jennyk885]

I really like this episode. This along with killed by death are my favorite monster of the week episodes from S2.

[@Vicky022787]

I absolutely loved the use of “Cotton Eye Joe” in your video! 😄

[@spud8284]

Monster of the week episodes are essential to break up the serious tone of the over all season arc. I always looked forward to them as a bit of light relief and this is easily one of my favourite monster of the week episodes.

[@meris8486]

yeesh this is a tough one to get through for me, but Buffy and Angel have some cute stuff

[@JOSHONYX]

bro, I'm a grown ass man and you got me cracking up. well done young lady

[@iansmart4158]

Just dropped in to say, Marti Noxon is a legend. Not the best Buffy Writer, but BUFFY wouldn't be the classic it is without her influence and leadership role. Shout out the LEGEND Marti Noxon.

[@devino.4117]

You'll come to recognize the writers over the seasons! They are truly the rockstars of the show.

[@ProuvaireJean]

Just found this channel and man, does it take me back. I gather you've not seen the show before, so I'll just say that you're in for a ride. IMO the back end of season 2, starting with episode 13, is the finest run in the show's history.

[@Suzismymom]

How did you make me like this episode? Because you're so good, that's how. I mean I don't put this on my Episodes I must rewatch, but you made it watchable. Who would've ever thunk this episode would be watchable? Damn you're good!

[@4everbuffylover]

My favorite line from this episode is “well idk tector and why do you always ask so many stupid questions” 😂

[@olived9560]

Thanks for the reaction! I’m really looking forward to the next two episodes...

[@Suzismymom]

Well you did it. I just subscribed to Patreon. The power of Alley is strong.

[@Swenglish]

"I just wanna know...who wrote that, and why?" Marti Noxon, because of a dream she had. It's not considered one of her better ones. The egg exercise is an old thing. I think these days it's done with electronic baby dolls at schools that can afford them. I remember there was a Batman Beyond episode that featured the exercise done with electronic egg dolls, which is an interesting postmodern synthesis.

[@emespre]

Yeah, I was supposed to do the exercise with an electronic doll for one of my year 11 subjects, although we didn’t end up doing it that year because the dolls were malfunctioning

[@razycrandomgirl]

Aw man Batman Beyond!!! Ace!

[@razycrandomgirl]

Wait that was the dog's name. LOL

[@Nicamon]

02:52 - 03:05 I literally just told you,MOM!😒💢 04:12 - 04:18 But what if it wasn't?🧐Would you still love it? 06:55 - 06:58 A question I've been asking myself since"Twilight",but ACTUALLY I should have asked myself since"Buffy"because...well...you know...ep 2x13-2x14...;-S

[@fad23]

Oh, you're a Razorback now!

[@razycrandomgirl]

I thought this was a reference to The Expanse lol

[@donsample1002]

Lyle and Tector Gorch are a couple of characters from the ultra violent Peckinpah movie _The Wild Bunch_ (There's also an Angel)

[@lurker1316]

Me: I'm getting sleepy, might turn in early. KZbin: alley box. has a new a Buffy video. Me: I'm wide awake. ... Even for Bad Eggs. I'm sure she'll make it entertaining.

[@BuffyWinch2]

Enjoyed your reaction to the Bezoar crawling around! Laughed a good bit! They're so gross! Also love your quotes you have written down in the background.

[@ArvidHammon]

This reminds me of Robert A. Heinlein's 'The Puppet Masters'. Not a great episode but ... Btw. where exactly is Angel's bell attached?

[@barbarabaker1457]

See this is part of why studios need to stop fighting but using reactors. We would already have a freaking angel doll with a bell sound effect by now. They are losing a fortune and more importantly happy fans. I want that doll.

[@michaelbastraw1493]

When did you bell Angel without him noticing? Best. Leo.

[@michaelbastraw1493]

Oh, and by the way, it is very much a ripoff of Heinlein's novel. A major science fiction writer, this is one of the few horror stories he did. Buffy was not the first or probably the last to rip it off. Best. Leo.

[@Carabas72]

It seems much closer to Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, original version.

[@gwenivercall]

Re. the Puppet Masters - definitely see that, also there's something of Alien in there (the eggs and the baby things which move like the facehuggers).

[@fad23]

I'm always glad when you take note of the writers, whether you like an episodes or not.

[@joshuagosdin2999]

The soundtrack this episode was doing the absolute MOST.

[@amyishere5206]

You know what I enjoy this episode a lot. I will not be taking any questions at this time.

[@Stuman57]

Also. You are right. After a while you can tell the writer by the episode. But they all get sooo much better as seasons go on.

[@slayergirl6983]

You look so cool in the Buffy shirt! 😎

[@Phoenixdark1]

I love your quotes of the day in the background. Lol

[@alc9633]

marti noxon is a GREAT tbh. this is just a bad egg. hehe

[@williamkirkland2222]

oooooooooooooooh. thats baaaaad.

[@dustyb58]

"Are they digging?" It looked like they were in a play where they were told not to actually beat the ground too hard with an object as to not scratch the floor

[@stimpy1414]

I'm going nuts waiting for the next reaction.

[@zakjaggs9761]

I'll be honest it's gone midnight in the uk, just got home from a steaming night out and was going to sleep but no u uploaded, quality

[@mrjdgibbs]

Thank you for uploading a Buffy this weekend. I totally look forward to your reactions.

[@Nepthu]

For some reason. This exchange still pops up in my head on this ep: Cordelia: “He saw this and ran away?” Buffy: “Try best case scenario.”

[@patrickholt2270]

It's one of the all time great science fiction monsters - the Puppet Masters (Robert Heinlein, he of Starship Troopers also fame). But translated into a horror lore friendly version. It's too creepy not to use sooner or later. The book is a good brisk read.

[@paddyw917]

Ah, early buffy. It definitely happened. Still fun and funny but it gets so much better

[@maggienada77]

Omg the quote behind lmao😂❤ Angel love of my life🥺❤😂

[@knowledge-girl]

Joss Whedon wrote on "Alien: Resurrection."

[@msrobelettescorner]

Hi alley, i just love your reaction videos that you inspire me to maybe do one in the future...maybe waayyy in the future. lol. if you got any tips for me, I would love to hear them. cant wait for the next episode :)

[@DrRockso1987]

It's definitely a disappointment going from 'Ted' to 'Bad Eggs'. Marti Noxon is a very good writer and here I think she just kinda phoned it in so she could focus more on the next episode which she also wrote. Admittedly, on the rewatch I always end up skipping this episode.

[@barbarabaker1457]

Eh we all have bad days. My writing is like pin ball. Over 30 stories. 10 crap, 10 okay I guess and ten I HAVE to publish this. While normally I expect people to not publish the bad or lazy works, I'm more forgiving of the harsh and rushed world of television, especially as you have to keep coming up with something new for the same story, yikes. So I get what you mean.

[@flee4342]

This was Joss Whedon’s homage to Invasion Of The Body Snatchers. Joss does a few homages to famous stories. The title of the episode, like many Buffy titles, has multiple meanings. “Bad eggs” in the slang as bad people, referring to the cowboys. Also, referring to the female reproductive system in the consequences of sex. And the very literal referring to the actual eggs going bad and taking people over.

[@jrreedve2825]

Angle-Cat Bell is ALWAYS a win!

[@NeilPro42]

Your opinion of the episode is pretty much in line with most of the fandom

[@maggienada77]

And your videos...always amazing!!😂❤

[@1TutorialBoss]

Reminder. Nothing, and i mean NOTHING good happens in a basement in the Whedon-verse

[@SS2Dante]

2:47 Ok, gotta admit, the fucking Modern Warfare sound clip out of nowhere got me :P

[@wobaguk]

This is heavily a riff on the scifi novel 'The Puppet Masters'

[@sadfaery]

I'm a year older than Sarah Michelle Gellar, and we never did the egg thing when I was in school either. Also, the actor playing the vampire brother who died here is actually pretty famous now!

[@Madbandit77]

James Parks has been in some Quentin Tarantino movies. He's also the son of the late character actor Michael Parks. I did the egg thing, and I was bad at it.

[@biancapriestly5275]

Your Quote of the Day really matches your view after you finished the episode haha

[@Arlyn7]

You were spot on with the comparison to Alien. I think this episode was an homage to Alien and Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

[@TheZapan99]

I like that this episode is basically The Faculty, but it came out almost a full year before the movie. Makes me think somebody peeked at the script one way or the other.

[@datickywickygurl]

The similarity between them is because the Faculty and this episode are both based off the same book, The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

[@TheZapan99]

@@datickywickygurl But what are the odds of having two adaptations set in schools with teenager protagonists coming out the same year?

[@charlottegiles2050]

@@TheZapan99 Well the faculty writers were definitely Buffy fans - the character of Delilah (the bitchy cheerleader) was specifically written for Charisma Carpenter - but she turned it down as she didn't want to be typecast.

[@Madbandit77]

Clea Duvall who played the invisible girl in "Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight" (Season One) was in "The Faculty".

[@firstname3973]

It's pretty much Invasion of the Body Snatchers meets Alien meets teenage hormones. Its quite a juggling act and then you add random cowboy vampires on top of all that, well things get a little loosey goosey. The show can do great juggling feats, combining horror and comedy and such but once in awhile there'll be an episode where they just ask a bit too much. Like you said it was entertaining at best. I enjoyed the horror movie homages and Xander and Cordelia's love-hate bickering act, which is reminiscent of the dynamic between Sam and Diane on Cheers. All in all one of the weaker eps of a really strong season. Can't wait to see your reaction to the rest of the season! It's been fun to see it through a different generation's eyes than my own.

[@miriam8376]

Okay, speaking as an oldie...this is actually a play on an old Heinlein book/movie called the Puppet Masters. It's a trope of 80s and 90s horror, and I can see how if you're not familiar with the original material it might seem weird, but if you have seen or read The Puppet Masters, this is cheesy horror brilliance.

[@TopcatsLair]

Its very much a tribute to Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers and moreso The Puppet Masters by Robert A. Heinlein

[@robinschicha4712]

„Vampire working together with Buffy?“

[@Jailands]

Buffy's first attempt to come out, first fail.

[@iconocast]

awesome episode and i think the title is pretty clear ;P

[@Buffy8Fan]

Marti Noxon received her job on this show because this episode was her spec script. Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt called her up and both said with monotonic voices that she wasn't right for the position before laughing and saying that yes she did indeed have the job. Clearly they saw something in the writing a lot of fans don't and thought it good enough to hire her while joking about it with her as well.

[@DaDunge]

It's funny i re watched this and thought about skipping it but then I didn't and I thought it was better than I remembered it.