Building a 12V VR6 in 15 Minutes Fully Forged

[@GermanEliteTuning]

That’s some great progress. It’s awesome to see it fully assembled.

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!

[@PaxdubsMD]

You should pick up a metal thermo housing and you can powdercoat it to match the other parts.

[@PokeChu0107]

I used your code for my rods. I appreciate the discount. I'm waiting on ARP mains for my build. For the 2.7t they're outta stock every where. They're saying middle of November before they are stocked again. So it's holding my build up. I even tried to find a used set to no avail. Same length are in stock. But mine are different length of course. Love the vids man. Keep on boostn.

[@CIPGAS]

Happy to help! And yeah ARP’s stock has been awful as of late, it was almost impossible for me to find head studs

[@9ckr716]

I waited 2 months for ARP hardware recently and after all the waiting they couldn't even give me an ETA.... super disappointing.

[@PokeChu0107]

@@9ckr716 they're in stock at CTS Turbo in Canada. That's where I got mine from.. I found a set.

[@9ckr716]

Thanks but my car got impounded since then lol... sucks Ya I'm.in Canada too.... Edmonton

[@markb6s4]

Very cool to see this being put together

[@salvagerebuilds9071]

Don't see the links to the other videos?

[@Eurospec73]

Great video for sure, I really like seeing the VR6 engine being put together from top to bottom but it would be nice if you explained what the torque specs were on each bolt that "you're" tightening down rather than showing a fast forward video of it. It would help our future builders!

[@j.m.5995]

Torque specs are available thru the Factory Bentley Manual. Of youre undertaking this task especially as a first timer and you dont have the factory manual nearby youre setting off to fail. Its just common sense rhat this task requires plenty of planning ahead of time for it to go along smoothly and quickly

[@Eurospec73]

@@j.m.5995 Yes I'm well aware that having a factory manual will show you the torque specs, but it would have been nice to hear what some of are especially for people that haven't done something like this before, because not knowing what the spec is and just tightening it down by hand can either make or break the job.

[@HectorGonzalez-fz6ws]

I don’t think he wants to take that responsibility just get the repair manual

[@Eurospec73]

@@HectorGonzalez-fz6ws That just defeats the purpose!

[@ct1762]

@@Eurospec73 who would just tighten anything down without a torque wrench/specs on engine internals? not anyone that values their time or $ thats for sure.

[@deuceinfinity]

I have watched this video a few times, thank you for posting it!

[@CIPGAS]

Welcome! Happy to hear you liked it!

[@snaggletoof1927]

Awesome vid, thanks for the discount code! That motor looks amazing.

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!!

[@therealmilo.tin__b6530]

Can’t wait to see this thing start up 😌

[@CIPGAS]

Soon I hope!

[@friscostreetstories5403]

Nice build. Why not go with an aluminum t stat housing?

[@CIPGAS]

It’s a temporary build. Things will get a bit nicer going forwards

[@mikefoster8144]

Where are you attaching the chains on the engine hoist to re install the vr6?

[@CIPGAS]

I’m using straps now and I attach them to the motor mount brackets.

[@DivaniKingston]

I think your pistons are in the wrong bank?? Like 3 should be on the other side. same orientation?

[@glennlozuke268]

Great video. Any advice for someone starting out on their 1st VR6 project build? I'd like to put a 3.2 in a A5 model BEETLE with an AWD conversion. Would getting a 2008 R32 roller be a good way to go? Thx

[@dcwolfy]

I’ve got the stage 5 from ringer in my BST A6. Only issue I’ve had in 5000 miles, (so far) is a bit of tob noise. Other than that it performs fantastic, love the feel of it as well. It’s not too stiff, and the engagement point isn’t bad either.

[@CIPGAS]

Awesome. This gives me reassurance that I made the right choice with ringer racing for the vr6 swap

[@MBLDN32]

Let me ask you something Is just forging it any benefit? So imagine if I were to max out the engine Destroke it to 3.0 litre and forge the listing is that much difference in terms of keeping it na?

[@ginogashi9981]

Well done mate great job , very hard to find someone like you 👌

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!!

[@elmondao]

Algún día haré una reparación así para mí mk4 vr6 24 valv!! Excelente contenido 👌

[@CIPGAS]

Gracias!!!

[@obscurevisuals]

How does a head gasket add compression?

[@CIPGAS]

It’s thinner than the old gasket used on this block and head. So using the metal gasket(thinner) instead of the fiber gasket (thicker) brings up the standard compression ratio

[@DEATHWISHVQ]

not sure if those are L19 head studs but just some advice: ARP representer on a HP academy episode suggest to not use bare hands to handle L19, as they are sensitive to any moisture sweat acid etc which leads to hydrogen embrittlement.

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks for the heads up. Will look into it

[@eyeamfresh82]

How did you go about painting your alternator

[@CIPGAS]

Took it apart completely and then sparred just the outside aluminum cover

[@eyeamfresh82]

@@CIPGAS can you give me info on how you popped it apart. Never done an alternator and I kinda wanna give mine a better coating than I did by just shoving tape into the gaps.

[@WalkToPoland]

awesome video, great build man

[@CIPGAS]

Thank you!!!

[@MH-nw2wi]

Props Breh. Amazing 👏

[@temprmj1]

I can already see you displaying that engine bay at car shows.

[@emoneywon9835]

Still running well? Any changes you would make ?

[@dandeangelo98]

Killer bro! Looks awesome. So glad this engine is working out for you!

[@CIPGAS]

Thank you!

[@derrickstewart1372]

NIce build, how does the rods feel, I almost got them, how does it drive. Im building something similar Golf 3 2.8 12v. Nice powered coat color on engine part.

[@matthewmorriss690]

if im not mistaken you using the wrong lower timing cover (looks like fwd version) and the the valve cover needs the breather box cut of.

[@CIPGAS]

Yeah lower timing cover had to be modified to for the adapter plate and the valve over is a placeholder until the correct one arrives

[@eyeamfresh82]

Looking good. I need to eventually get off my ass and finish my golden VR

[@johngrosso378]

Hey brother also what piston to wall clearance did you go with? I have Wiseco pistons. I didnt get them in the mail yet cuz it takes a few weeks.

[@terrymarsh8094]

Thanks for sharing I was wondering when are you going to post some new vids!

[@CIPGAS]

Soryy, parts delays have been keeping the content

[@johngrosso378]

Hey Im doing the same build almost. I orderderd standard main and rod bearings. When u used plastic guage did all the bearing clearances check out or did u have to get any different sizes? Like did u get standard bearings? Or did u have to get different bearings?

[@CIPGAS]

Hey man! Luckily everything was within spec for me. If the clearances were off I probably would have gotten a different crankshaft before getting thicker bearings

[@johngrosso378]

@@CIPGAS Ok cool thanks! I cant wait till my car is done lol. Yea I should be fine then too because my crank and rod journals all look good.

[@justinc.6339]

What made you go vr6 over building the 2.7?

[@damon123jones]

how much power mate?

[@hf1256]

Hey, nice build :) Do you remember how much newtonmeters you use for the rods at the crankshaft? Thx! Greetings from Germany😀

[@CIPGAS]

It’s was about 70nm

[@BrockBuildsBoost]

What trans you running?

[@CIPGAS]

Stock 01e

[@tomlarsen6146]

I’m going up swap my auto b5 into a manual 98k miles, also going to probably upgrade things, should I tear the 2.7 and build it or just change gaskets swaps, chains and try to push 400whp? Also what all do I need? Would really appreciate if you could get back to me

[@CIPGAS]

If the engine is running well I would just do timing, seals and gaskets and run it as is. 400 ho should not be a problem for the internals as long as it’s a good tune.

[@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995]

What up boss. Just finished put mine together in the stand. About to install. I'm porting and polishing my intake manifolds. May not give much power increase but will help it breath a bit better. What fuel injectors are you using?? Oh and what Cams? I went autotech hp valves, springs and all the only bells and whistles and 268 techtonics cams. Haven't chosen my exhaust yet though.

[@CIPGAS]

I’ll be running Bosch 1000cc injectors and auto tech 262 cans.

[@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995]

@@CIPGAS yeah buddy. That thing is going to roll. Did you do a GIAC tune on that thing also or Did you or a friend Tune it? Sorry for all the questions but I don't have much contact with individuals who are rebuilding what I'm rebuilding. What injectors would you recommend for somebody like me who currently at least for the next year will not have a boosted VR but does have all high performance parts put into the engine with upgraded cams. I've heard somebody talking about the mid-80s to very early 90s 330 CC Mustang injectors. The information on this topic is almost non existent aside from a few people in forms

[@CIPGAS]

@@Jason-TheChad-Muska_circa1995 no need to apologize. My will be tune by GermanElite Tuning. As for the injectors 330cc should be fine while it’s naturally aspirated but if you’re going to boost I will not be enough fuel, I would look into 650cc Bosch EV14’s and that way you only have to buy injectors once.

[@everythingloud4068]

Awesome video! I just found your channel definitely subscribing. I have a 2001 audi a4 2.8l and a 2001 jetta with a 12v vr6 that I hope to turbo sometime soon. I'm also hoping to have find a nice audi s4 in the next couple months.

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks for subscribing. Hope to see your 12v making boost soon!

[@JoseGonzalez-do5mb]

Whats up man you have some cool content. I just timed a b5 2.8 and its off any suggestions? Changed CPS and MAF thinking it would solve it nope. Might have missed the marks.

[@724tuners6]

This is dreams right here

[@Scoobydcs]

i love the vr motor, id love to put 1 in my mx5 but no money!!

[@CIPGAS]

Yeah it all gets expensive fast! And this motor would be insane in a Miata !

[@TheeHomelessRunner]

This is crazy, I noticed in the 2.7t master slave cylinder bleeding video we have the same tools then I noticed the craftsman torque Bar tool as well! Impressive work man! Do you have friends help you with certain parts or do you have a good amount of knowledge yourself? Looking to rebuild a 2.7t myself soon.

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!! And I do most of it myself but do have help on the big things.

[@dasautomotive6735]

Hey I've got a question, I'm building a VR6, I want to know what machine shop you used?

[@CIPGAS]

I'd recommend Weston Machine in Somerset.

[@eliresendez7517]

Thank you.

[@mobster2]

What are some advantages of a VR6 over a straight 6 or V6? Also what made you choose this engine?

[@HoagMurkula]

I6 doesnt fit in a b5, the 30v v6 2.8 and 2.7t are booty, vr6 is well known in the vw community as one of the best motors for high hp, only other vw motors i could think of to be on the high hp list are the 4.0tt and the o7k evo

[@omarcheevers]

What oil pump are u running?

[@CIPGAS]

Running an oil pump from a mk4 r32

[@omarcheevers]

What about the oil filter housing. My engine is from a Porsche cayanne.

[@CIPGAS]

@@omarcheevers the housing is a stock housing from a 12v vr6

[@Alex-hn4we]

really should use a piston ring compressor to avoid flexing and warping them when inserting into the block

[@CorradoRacer]

Great build really similar to mine!

[@RhdEji]

Great video

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!

[@vrtxs1938]

What’s better 12v or 24v ?

[@CIPGAS]

Both great! They sound a bit different and I prefer the 12v sound. But the 24v breathes better up top and because of that has more power potential.

[@j.m.5995]

2:50 I believe you made a mistake when you were discussing your JE pistons. As far as i am aware the stock bore diameter on a 2.8L12 valve is 81mm. If you are dripping in 83 mm pistons you now would be running 2mm overbore

[@edgesun7031]

actually no, pretty sure that's the stroke.

[@bluegrapevr6]

Thanks for vid. Liked

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!

[@kelvingjr923]

Nice colorway

[@CIPGAS]

Appreciate it

[@madsknobelauch1274]

Love it!

[@leonardog735]

Excellent video! Thank you for sharing your engine configuration and assembly! I'm in Brazil and I'm restoring the engine of a Variant B4 GLX. This will help me here! Success there!

[@CIPGAS]

Good luck!

[@Euro_Rat]

hell yeah so sick. Are you gonna be using a standalone?

[@CIPGAS]

Yeah ECU Masters EMU Black

[@Euro_Rat]

@@CIPGAS awesome can’t wait for the next video!

[@Euro_Rat]

@@CIPGAS which turbo are going with?

[@ivanteterin334]

👍

[@jeffrey8829]

Engine code ? AAA ?

[@CIPGAS]

Yes

[@samyrnicolas2531]

Dope 👍

[@CIPGAS]

Thanks!!

[@MrLakerboy824]

Nice

[@temprmj1]

I'll trade you a built 2.7t with a complete RS4 intake setup. lol

[@CIPGAS]

You know what, I actually had to talk myself out of it lol

[@kenneth5064]

You couldn’t pay me to put the plastic hose parts on my car…I had a thermostat leak and changed the crackpipe and the thermostat to metal

[@ct1762]

that website seems sketchy, no offense. not that its a scam, but the products look cheap chinese stuff. they also sell boat propellers .

[@notyouraveragegoldenpotato]

Max speeding rods🤣🤣🤣 fellas. Listen. Real talk. I have IE Tuscany rods in my bat 1.8t. (One of my buds way smarter than me, running the u of u racing research team and our local VAG tuner savant said that was the way to go) *insurance payout$ for getting t boned in a 1 of 54 laser B5.* my fella also said it's basically just the extra qc, shot peening etc that they do. They source the same blank batches from the same Chinese factory. Max speeding rods is direct. 100% not even close to the qc IE does and for a blueprinted engine... yeah you don't want Max speeding rods. It's like 3-4× as expensive as eBay rods. BUT... I roll around with buddies who budget built their cars years ago pushing 450-550 awhp @ 5k elevation for years with Max speeding rods. To be honest, there's been a few that ran into tolerance issues immediately, but like 95% had no issue and I wouldn't think 2x for the cost savings to get em unless you dropped 20k into a build. My Tuscany's have survived blowing TF up out of 3 motors now (2 were gates/conti timing belt shredding) so nothing too crazy, and have been running my daily fully built bat b5 for a few years now @ 200 miles per day. They are solid. That said... 200-300$ rods at this point have the same long term reputation where it's totally worth the tiny gamble

[@derrickstewart1372]

IE here for.my build totally chromoly steel, max isn't full chromoly, weigh more both weigh less than stock. IE rods all came balanced 6 id weight. Lightest in the world 4 the VR6

[@antisocialvr6]

👍