A fireless cooker is like the air tank on a compressor or that you use to inflate car tires - just larger. They charge it up with steam and it runs until the pressure gets too low. It's both cleaner and with no on board fire it can run in places where having that fire might be an explosion hazard. Often these were painted bright yellow, or grey, rather than black.
@HoundOfBaskerville2 жыл бұрын
The locomotive itself may be cleaner but not really due to the fact that they still had to create steam to fill it with
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@eageraurora8792 жыл бұрын
@@HoundOfBaskerville steam or compressed air, though the latter was much more uncommon. Either way all the energy to pressurize rhe Gas has to come from somewhere in the end right?
@HoundOfBaskerville2 жыл бұрын
@@eageraurora879 exactly but it’s the same amount of pollution if not more just not in the direct area of use
@markrickert90402 жыл бұрын
Operation is more like a cryogenic tank than a simple storage tank. What is piped in is normally supper-heated steam (which is more energy efficient at doing work and can be made from the same heat source by extracting more energy from the combustion gas). It would be "steam" if it was allowed to vent to atmosphere but since its under pressure it remains a liquid. From the filling process there is some "head" of steam gas that wants to toggle between liquid and gas. As the locomotive draws off steam the pressure drops slightly and more of the water becomes a gas increasing the pressure ans stopping more water from converting and slightly "cools" the liquid. The cycle continues as steam gets used and water is converted the contents slowly cool though both loss though the boiler shell and energy conversion when changing states. The pressure in the boiler drops as the temperature cannot maintain the high state of steam with the draw off. Eventually the pressure and temperature become such that little or on useful work can be done. Then its time to recharge. At recharge, the super heated steam than heats the water and steam in the boiler back up to well over the boiling point and the cycle begins anew.
@charlescrawford70392 жыл бұрын
Besides power plants and steel mills, these locomotive types were used at chemical and armament manufacturing plants since they did not have an open flame like conventional steam locos. As noted below the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg has one on display. Thanks for the informative video!
@steffenrosmus91772 жыл бұрын
Not were used, some are still in use today due to the lack of alternatives. But the model is wrong on 99 % of the prototypes the cylinders are underneath the cab to kerp the piping short.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@apogeelocoworks43702 жыл бұрын
@@steffenrosmus9177 if you look at H.K. porter, heisler and Davenport prototypes you will see the cylinders in this configuration. Most European prototypes did have the cylinders under the cab.
@colbeausabre88422 жыл бұрын
@@steffenrosmus9177 That was the practice on European Fireless Cookers, US practice was as shown in the model
@Kboyer362 жыл бұрын
These fireless locomotives were basically a high pressure tank that either held steam or compressed air from an external boiler or compressor. The big use I was familiar of was for mineshafts. This solved two problems. You couldn't have an engine belching out smoke in a confined space and occasionally you would tunnel into a pocket of gas and having the open flame of a traditional steam engine could act as an ignition source.
@marsandcobblesproductions35012 жыл бұрын
In the UK they were in places like Munitions as the high level of a spark could end in disaster
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@arrow14142 жыл бұрын
@Joymon Creations Harrison.
@garysprandel18172 жыл бұрын
Fireless steam engines were mainly used in areas where an open flame of a firebox was an extraordinarily bad idea like oil refineries, gas plants, etc. Since those industries usually still needed steam for various processes they'd run a steam pipe to the area the steamers worked so they could get a fresh change of steam. IIRC there were a couple of power plants in the 70s still using fireless steamers. Maybe some zebra stripes decals for the pilots.
@WH32R2 жыл бұрын
Grain and sugar mills as well, as the fine powders and dust from the manufacturing processes could create explosive atmospheres. Even some metal working plants used them for that reason.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@hmhobbies2 жыл бұрын
They usually painted them more colorful than other conventional steam locomotives because they didn’t run on coal which meant that coal dust and soot wouldn’t tarnish the paint.
@hexxoid92632 жыл бұрын
Huh, always wondered why they were all so colorful. Thanks for the info!
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@hmhobbies2 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainlineyour welcome 🤗
@charlesdulude17132 жыл бұрын
I just serviced my Bachman CN #3594 engine thanks to your videos now it’s running flawlessly .
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, glad to hear it :)
@mattsmocs32812 жыл бұрын
The shell is based loosely off the Pennsylvania Power & Light Shamokin Dam 0-6-0F’s which were the last fireless locos to operate regularly in the US!
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@felixfelix90622 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty loco! I like the concept of re-shelling locos!
@jasonrackawack93692 жыл бұрын
Neat build, love those engines, you nailed the look of them.
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt2 жыл бұрын
It is a very cool model kit! I knew a guy that had a real one of these. We climbed around on it. A thermos with running gear basically!
@Anguskowald2 жыл бұрын
Nice train I have wanted one of those trains for a while
@CptInside2 жыл бұрын
Awesome as allways! :) Btw, in germany These Kind of locomotives were called "Dampfspeicherlokomotive". One is located not far from were I live on Display at a Former Factory called "Brikettfabrik Louise". Greetings!
@DowneastProductions2112 жыл бұрын
Nice looking engine!
@jimdingsdale74562 жыл бұрын
Very interesting kit. You must have quite a collection. My dad and i used to have a large layout in the basement, lotsa fun
@nicholmansgarage35012 жыл бұрын
I always thought these things were neat. As a younger kid, I thought they were streamlined tank engines lol. Here in PA, most of the railroad museums I've visited have had one of these sitting around somewhere. The "Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania" in Strasburg has two. One is an 0-4-0 painted bright orange, the other an 0-8-0 painted a beautiful, brilliant blue. Really neat engines, and a really neat video!
@markrickert90402 жыл бұрын
not having the high maintenance fireboxes and their associated hardware the fireless locomotives were easier to keep around, particularly handy for moving just a few cars at low speed were high horsepower and long range are not needed.
@4everdc3022 жыл бұрын
The fellow might have a future in doing odd ball stuff. I'm intrigued👍🚂🇨🇦
@dominicdebruin-f2lАй бұрын
it looks very good with the cooker shell
@joseflavallee85772 жыл бұрын
Most forelegs "cookers" did not have lights as the dynamo would use up too much steam. They operated in small factory areas with access to steam lines.
@randyoehling3032 жыл бұрын
That's a Vulcan. Used in steel industry, would look good in a steel mill setting pushing a train of ingot cars.
@vintagethrifter21142 жыл бұрын
It's a Heisler, not a Vulcan.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
@@vintagethrifter2114 Whichever it is, I like the name
@northerncountryrailroad89392 жыл бұрын
Very cool
@callingalltrainfans98912 жыл бұрын
I have to say, at first I wasn't sure how that would look, but in the end, it turned out to be a very fine model. I really like how ALW is going about starting a model railroad company. They are making unique kits that nobody else really makes. Good for them!
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I hope they find success in it
@williammcgeehan34242 жыл бұрын
Some fireless cookers were used into the early 1970's.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of that
@haroldalexis42002 жыл бұрын
Nice shell it fit to a T. That's a nice conversion from the Bachmann original. Now this makes me want to do a project like this. I Enjoyed viewing. 🙂
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@BMMEC60002 жыл бұрын
Seen this all over eBay and I’ve actually seen one of these in real life. Very interesting.
@robertterry93672 жыл бұрын
great video
@robertcrundwell27822 жыл бұрын
Interesting model
@amyreynolds36192 жыл бұрын
NCTM in North Carolina has a Duke power had a waterless boiler locomotive and she is a yellowish brown color and not black. I use to volunteer at that museum when I lived near Charlotte NC.
@northerncountryrailroad89392 жыл бұрын
Would you ever in the future do more on this engine? Maybe windows, headlight, maybe even a crew
@ottawaemergencyvideography2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!!
@PoconoMountaineer4052 жыл бұрын
awsome build, i have the kit but its hard to find the bachmann 0-6-0T
@bgmarmon2 жыл бұрын
The kit calls for a Bachmann Porter o-6-o. But I installed my on a Bachmann 0-6-0 saddletank engine with the same results. I think it could be installed on a Mantua chassis but i haven't tried yet.
@Brian_rock_railfan2 жыл бұрын
Awesome 🚂👍
@ianvital88342 жыл бұрын
There is more potential to his conversion kit. Well he can 3d print interior parts for the cabin. The cabin interior would be a plus that would sell it
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
It might be a good suggestion to the creator.
@ianvital88342 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline also a mini figure to be the driver
@markwilliams26202 жыл бұрын
The body shell looks like resin, which is brittle and not as flexible as styrene. Hence, thin parts crack easier. Nice work, as always. Taking all the screws out was how I figured out how to disassemble the 4-8-2 from Maine Modelworks. The motor was pre-Pittman and the lone wire was fiber wrapped-IE 40's-50's vintage.
@The_Canadian_Railfan2 жыл бұрын
Now this is cool
@cnwproductions2 жыл бұрын
Finally, after so long, WE FINALLY GOT IT DONE
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Yessir
@nitrorrat81902 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome
@americanflyersscaletrains43692 жыл бұрын
It looks good
@jaysontadlock18712 жыл бұрын
Apogee locomotive works rocks! Aaron made me a 1:64 version of the PPAL loco.
@crewleaderprods2 жыл бұрын
There's a trolley museum in Warehouse Point Connecticut that has one on static display.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Good to know
@MSRTA_Productions2 жыл бұрын
Just wanna point out to spray a clear coat after painting so that the paint doesn't scratch off or fade from sunlight (even tho it's in a basement but still) Anyways great conversion!
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
It's a good idea but I didn't want it to look to glossy.
@arrow14142 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline Flat and semi-gloss clear coat is available.🙂
@joseflavallee85772 жыл бұрын
Apogge has great products. I have two of his electric locomotives.
@tiam41522 жыл бұрын
you could also use some clear plastic or "see through" colored plastic to make a lighted control panel or something like that inside the cab. paint off the edges and surfaces you dont want light coming through at.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Good idea
@strobson18 ай бұрын
looks good Harrison with aloha
@shockstrains50772 жыл бұрын
i love the shell!
@dkaustin982 жыл бұрын
When I was in my twenties, I lived in Carmel, Indiana on the North side of Indianapolis. My work required me to venture into downtown Indianapolis often. Between two buildings up on what used to be the raised trolley tracks sat one of those engines. That one was painted black. It sat up there for many years and it remained in that location. In my late twenties I moved away. That was forty years ago. It might have been part of a museum collection. I do not know. I do know that during that time there was a big effort to convert the old empty factories into condos and to bring young families into the old Victorian homes in the downtown area. Maybe someone here knows what happened to that steam pot?
@mercuryoak22 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this when you got it. Also they have a Instagram page as well. Looks neat something that you probably would see in the factory industry area on far side of layout.
@Trainmanproductions Жыл бұрын
Looking at the shell pre painted it looks like it was made with a resin printer so if I had to take a guess it is probably an nontoxic resin that was used and in my experience that resin is super brittle at certain Temps and has the tendency to break on its own as the Temps fluctuate so it would seem to be a material choice issue. I would reccomend to the seller that they switch to a more temp resistant resin
@XBOXShawn12thman3 ай бұрын
Wow ... Thats Neat ... I like it 😁
@bodenjohnson29612 жыл бұрын
Boise Junction Trains Carries a majority of Apogee Locomotive Works products. There kits are pretty neat.
@RichardEKranz2 жыл бұрын
When painting you should use a primer first then the color you need. Just a good habit to have.
@mercuryoak22 жыл бұрын
At 4:25 i paused video its paint and primer. Same stuff I use myself not sure if you know they do make that type.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
It's something I should be doing more often.
@spankyham96072 жыл бұрын
Looks like a Resin 3d print. They are known to be delicate .
@KCDash4400cw2 жыл бұрын
Thats really neat
@joallawestervelt69182 жыл бұрын
What a cool project. Turned out really nice. Though, other than why they were converted, I have to say I am really partial to the original. 😊 ❤
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Both good looking deigns but pretty different.
@Jules-zo3ds2 жыл бұрын
Surely the weight/light diffuser from inside the front of the boiler should have been moved into the new shell. It looks like it also had the thread for the screw. I'm guessing there's something similar in the back of the Bachmann body that needed to be moved across. Did the kit have any instructions? I'm also surprised there was no glazing in the kit.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Probably so.
@MiniModellingOfficial Жыл бұрын
How expensive was the bachmann locomotive? Love your videos!
@MMRails2 жыл бұрын
“Let’s just start unscrewing all the screws and see what happens” I think this could be your next catch phrase. Looks good!
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I like it. If you don't know what to do, try everything! What could possibly go wrong?
@dalecherne53772 жыл бұрын
With all the repair and building that you do, have you ever considered getting a 3D Printer?
@warrenvalentino57632 жыл бұрын
Great video! i do know that the fireless steam locomotives were used during world war 2. so there would not be any smoke to give the train's location away. Awesome looking engine! :)
@massmike112 жыл бұрын
They were also used in places where fire was bad. And while some did use compressed air, most ran on steam fed from a stationary boiler under pressure in the tank.
@Vinyl_guy2 жыл бұрын
good thing to now have a freight yard to use it in
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@ChristopherBrown-mq1lg2 жыл бұрын
Would look good switching a string of Hershey boxcars at your factory 👍
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
It might be fun.
@paveloleynikov47152 жыл бұрын
No decals? If i see correctly, original shell has some weight on front, does conversion shell has provision to use this?
@haunted16592 жыл бұрын
"Let's remove screws until something happens" is how I do maintanance on my models
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's what you've gotta do.
@haunted16592 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline especially with my bad habit of buying 2nd hand locomotives that noone wants
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt2 жыл бұрын
I want that kit!😃
@jonas24312 жыл бұрын
Cool
@brettachey35742 жыл бұрын
If you use your imagination it looks like it can be a yard steam switcher because of how big the boilers is
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Maybe so
@BIG_RED_PRODUCTIONS_official2 жыл бұрын
Hey I'm pretty sure the light on the back is is meant to be the light of Whatever fuel they use to make the train run because it's not fire because it's called a fireless engine
@antonbruce12412 жыл бұрын
Very nice! But...where's the rear coupler???
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I removed it and forgot to reinstall it lol
@antonbruce12412 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline Don't feel bad...it's not like you're the ONLY one who has ever done that (he typed while trying to shirk away...).
@anthonyj.adventures9736 Жыл бұрын
They have a few at the RR museum of PA in Strasburg. 1 is from Pennsylvania Power & Lighting its blue then the other i forget the road name but its bright orange.
@kentcummings33152 жыл бұрын
Hey smt. I got a dozen locos that need to be fixed. How does that work? Power torque and mantua drives. However I would like to get em back.
@michaelmckinnon73142 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to duck when the massive fireball starts
@paulburns37882 жыл бұрын
Hello SMT mainline how are you doing buddy I like the kit that you put together I think it's cool looking 😎
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Good, how are you?
@paulburns37882 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline I'm alright
@theprivyline4842 жыл бұрын
If you ever make it to the railroad museum of Pennsylvania they have a few of these units
@stephenclaridge1896 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, Question.. Did you convert it back to it's original shell?
@SMTMainline Жыл бұрын
I left it as is.
@harperlarry492 жыл бұрын
I have the same Bachmann Porter locomotive. Maybe I will get a second one and do that same conversion. Nice review. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe - Larry.
@jnnmlchr912 жыл бұрын
How do you have 2 trains connected by a switch but one runs while the other doesn’t?
@joybjorklund31442 жыл бұрын
This is nothing related but where did you get your 2000 centennial
@kirkhodson14665 ай бұрын
I wish they'd do a SP whaleback tender in HO
@maltnz2 жыл бұрын
Does the rear coupler go back on?
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just forgot to reinstall it.
@angelalucito27402 жыл бұрын
I own that exact 0-6-0
@brandonharris75162 жыл бұрын
Oh
@UPRailfan2 жыл бұрын
Suprisingly one of these lasted all the way to the 1980s, they were actually pretty decent
@NW-gi1cp2 жыл бұрын
That's cool
@yestrainsalwaystrains71552 жыл бұрын
I'd have to admit, I think if SMT mainline used that leftover shell of the tank engine and cut it to make it look like it has sunk into the ground and paint it like it turned into rust and put in the new train yard. My opinion
@oscartorres962 жыл бұрын
Nice Video SMT Also SMT what is the Best Track Cleaner I Can Get for my Kato Track also is it Bad To Double head a Locomotive to Pull long Trains and MY AHM Made in ASTURIA Spirit of 1776 Has Weight on it In the Fuel Tank can it pull a Long Trains in the Condition it is ?
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
If the locos are DCC speed match them. If they're DC, wouldn't run them together unless they have the same drive.
@oscartorres962 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline Thank You
@mixtec532 жыл бұрын
EL GATO NERFF!!!
@ontariorail12512 жыл бұрын
where did you get that 0-6-0 steam locomotive?
@robertcrundwell27822 жыл бұрын
No printed step-by-step instructions, or exploded drawing? If not that's something the company should work on
@apogeelocoworks43702 жыл бұрын
Hello Robert, All ALW kits include an instruction page, describing in detail the assembly of the kit.
@robertcrundwell27822 жыл бұрын
@@apogeelocoworks4370 would have been nice if it was shown are mentioned in the video I'm a diesel mad myself but I found that very interesting. I could see a model of it sitting in my yard.
@robertcrundwell27822 жыл бұрын
Just read what I wrote. Sometimes I hate voice to text, LOL!
@GSMRFan2 жыл бұрын
I added a light to mine on the front but over the year or so of owning the shell snapped which is sad
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
That's too bad
@BP_211yt2 жыл бұрын
SMT you should paint the porter shell all rusty and abandoned looking
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
That's a cool idea. Might just do it with some mat spray paint.
@myvideosetc.82712 жыл бұрын
I'm astonished that they are using a mini drone motor in that locomotive, the speed of this tin cans is insane. Edit, also maybe get some transparent material from a packaging or similar and create the windows.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to that motor too. I don't think it would take much to burn it out if someone wasn't careful.
@nicwilson63912 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on how to upgrade the smoke system on HO steam engine to make them smoke more or better
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't know how unfortunately.
@brandonharris75162 жыл бұрын
Do you have another one of that steam engine
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I don't
@brandonharris75162 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline oh well maybe you should
@SouthwestRailfanProductions2 жыл бұрын
We need an SD59 kit from them
@Gfysimpletons2 жыл бұрын
That wouldn’t fit on that chassis……….lol
@SouthwestRailfanProductions2 жыл бұрын
@@Gfysimpletons I meant for an SD60M model silly
@Gfysimpletons2 жыл бұрын
@@SouthwestRailfanProductions lol
@jayProVR2 жыл бұрын
Hi how you been
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Good, how are you?
@jayProVR2 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline fine
@erikthepirate80682 жыл бұрын
I've never seen anything like it.
@the_autism_express2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where I can get one if those porter 0-6-0T locomotives? I've tried the bachmann website and Amazon, but i can't find them on either of those sites
@kevinjennerproductions20242 жыл бұрын
Ebay
@the_autism_express2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinjennerproductions2024 tried that too, I can only find shells that would fit on the porter's chassis
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew of somewhere other than eBay to look.
@the_autism_express2 жыл бұрын
@@SMTMainline I think my local hobby shop might have this engine? but that's a hard *MIGHT*
@HMSOLYMPIC2 жыл бұрын
Do more videos with your rivarossi big boy
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
That's the plan
@richardquebec58502 жыл бұрын
Super de bonne idée, merci je vais m'enregistré a son site.
@SMTMainline2 жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup
@michaellindsey80442 жыл бұрын
This engine look just fine like it was should keep it like it was