Bus Life - Fossil Free? TEST: New Diesel Fuels: GTL & HVO - serious alternatives??

Buslife: In my RV converted bus I tested 2 alternative diesel fuels: GTL & Blue Diesel (HVO). Because my RV is old (’87) and smokes and smells. A lot!
Do these 2 fuels work?
So I filled up her tank with both products (not at the same time ;-) )
Pro’s & cons based on 3 questions in this experiment:
- Does this stuff make my old diesel quit smoking?
- Is it better for the environment?
- Is it suitable for an old diesel engine?
And the overall question: Would I recommend it?
Extra: what about the soot test / emmission test, does it help to pass it?
Let’s find out!
Do you have or know of other experiences with one of these products? Or have any other remark or question? Please let me know in the comments below!
Links:
All about my bus:
• Bus Life - Home on whe...
80 (!) converted buses, RV-park Schiedersee:
• Bus Life - 80 Converte...
Dutch bus-rally Touringtreffen, RV-park Lingewaard, Gendt:
• Bus Life - RV converte...
Diesel Dokter in the video:
www.joopvanzonsbeek.nl
Service stations Blue Diesel and/or blends (Netherlands):
futurefuels.nl/nl/tanklocaties/
Music:
‘The Old RV’ by Craig MacArthur
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[@Wayoutthere]

Eindelijk een praktijk test van beide diesels! Vele malen dank voor al het werk! Ik hoop dat iemand nog eens een pure test doet met Blauwe diesel en pakkingen van het brandstofsysteem.

[@sjonnieist]

Heel verhelderend. Dank je wel.

[@cjeam9199]

Looking at this because I just today finished filling up my vehicle with HVO. Here in the U.K. there are no filling stations offering it, or GTL, (which I didn’t even know was sold yet) so I had to buy a barrel of it myself! I paid 35-40p a litre more, but that’s including delivery. Excluding delivery it was 20p more. Hopefully there will start to be filling stations offering it, I’m surprised and disappointed we are lagging behind Europe in availability. And hopefully my fuel pump doesn’t leak!

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Good luck!

[@Onrust1]

Interessant!

[@wouterkamstra1787]

Superleuke video. Leerzaam en objectief dank u wel

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Dankjewel, Wouter!

[@hansvos1985]

Thanks for testing👍 And if where you i would watch out for those angry neighbors

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

I will, Hans, I will ;-)

[@JesseTorres305]

Great channel 👍

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Thanks!

[@charlesingalz3561]

If GTL is sourcing gas that would otherwise get discarded/burned off as a byproduct of extraction or refining, then the carbon benefit may be more than apparent.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

GTL is not a byproduct of refining oil products like LPG (in France: GPL). It is made out of natural gas.

[@TomasNov]

Since 2020 is Blue Diesel (30% HVO) also available in Germany, but so far it is allowed only in Baden-Württemberg country. There is a tank station near to Heilbronn. In Czech Republic I've heard, that HVO is mixed into OMV MaxxMotion diesel - 7% of FAMO is substituted by 7% of HVO.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Good to know, thank you very much for the information, Tomás Novotný

[@TomasNov]

​@@HanVerdiHuskyRV You are welcome! EDIT: There is surprising info, that the czech BENZINA has been offering their premium Diesel Verva with 30% HVO at more than 70% of their tank stations (arround 230) , mainly for the western and cetral regions of the country since Sept 2020. Funny fact, that nobody knows about that, it was not publicly communicated so far. :D I think beacuse of the CO2 limits for the petrol industry, the HVO will spread very quickly in the next few years...

[@alexa795]

Hi. I am using HVO100 in bought of my cars more than 4 years with out of any problems. Volvo XC 60 D4 2018, and Mercedes 300D 1985. I am so much pleased with results. Bought cars purr like kitten on that fossil free diesel. Here in Sweden winters it’s cold -25C in area in which I live. Never ever have problems to star cars in such harsh climate. Also price on fossil diesel and HVO100 it’s the same here in Sweden.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Is it available in Sweden? Haven't found it yet overthere...

[@alexa795]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV Of course, you can find at any pump station.

[@gerritgeels8318]

Heel leerzaam en humoristisch!

[@Charlimike24]

I use it in my modern diesel engine in Denmark, and the price is only 6 cent (euro) more pr liter. It is a dream fuel, it runs very smooth.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

That's great, Morten. And I sure love the Danisch price ! ;-)

[@Charlimike24]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV They only sell it for trucks and busses, but I use a funnel for emergency filling so the nuzzle fits perfect. It runs very well on it.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@Morten Rasmussen, do you have any information on availability in Denmark? I can't find any info on the internet about gas stations that sell it. And I might go to Denmark this summer....

[@Charlimike24]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV You are right. It is impossible to know if you dont ask shell or dcc energy denmark where. Most often you will found a station with a LKW nozzle.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@@Charlimike24 Thanks!

[@peterkangas3127]

Thanks for testing the two fuels ... Do you know if the other SchiederSee family know about Blue diesel ??

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Thank you Peter. I'm not sure which family you mean?

[@peterkangas3127]

All the people that come to the SchieerSee bus gathering

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@Peter Kangas , No, I guess most of them don't. The thing is, in most countries it is not available yet.

[@ceesvanvliet991]

Interesting test. I think I’m remain following you 😄. There is one question about your test that need to be answered for me and most likely many others: can I use HVO in a VW California T6 204 Hp Biturbo, tuned to 245 Hp that needs the regular additive for Euro6 diesel engines and if yes, does my engine additional alterations, such as specific tuning? And will it keep the turbofans clean? I won’t shoot you when you do not have an answer to this questions 🤓.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Hello Cees, Don't know what you mean by 'regular additive for euro6 diesel engines'. If you refer to ad blue (don't know), that's completely different. It's an after-burning additive. As far as I know you can use HVO in newer engines, and every engine manufacturer garantees it up to 30% (there is a 30% HVO blend available at Esso, and 20% blends at most HVO stations), because those products are still within the fuel norm (lubrification etc). If you're worried, you can start with that and see what happens. Older engines, like mine, may develope leaking problems because of oldfashioned gaskets

[@Acoustage1]

Ik las gisteren op internet dat onlangs (juni 2020) de nieuwere T6.1 door volkswagen geschikt is verklaard voor HVO. Voor de T6 stond dat er niet expliciet bij...

[@thimiosskrimpas4232]

Can i the have one old vehicle with this type fuel HVO? Without problems on my internal combustion engine and without environmental issues! Does exist Renewable LPG or Bio-LPG Fuel? Because i have a car with aftermarket conversion to LPG, not from the factory.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

If it's a diesel engine you can. If it's a petrol engine you cannot. As far as I know there is no such thing as renewable or bio-LPG.

[@pietervanhofwegen]

Hele gave presentatie. Vandaag voor het eerst HVO 100 getankt. Deze week contact gehad met ene Mark bij Neste met de vraag of mijn Vito w639 (zelf omgebouwd naar camper met hefdak) op HVO 100 zou kunnen rijden. Het antwoord was ja al stond mijn bus nog niet in de lijst. Mercedes NL heb ik de vraag ook neergelegd maar kon me geen antwoord geven. Ik ben heel benieuwd naar de prestaties van deze brandstof. Prachtige 10 meter bus heb je! Ik heb zelf bijna 10 jaar op de touringcar gereden bij de Snelle Vliet.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Dank je, Pieter. HVO heeft andere karakteristieken dan conventionele diesel. Daarom zijn motorfabrikanten wat huiverig. Inmiddels hebben ze wel allemaal groen licht gegeven voor HVO 30 (Esso). Die voldoet nl. aan de zelfde norm als conventionele diesel. Als je er wat langer op gereden hebt, laat dan vooral weten wat je bevindingen zijn. Ben zeer benieuwd. Mijn bus is overigens ietsje kleiner dan 10 m. 8,5 meter, maar ik vind het nog altijd behoorlijk groot 😀

[@pietervanhofwegen]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV ik laat het je weten.

[@Nerd3927]

I am looking for an alternative for this B7 stuff, clogging my filters with fatty residue. HVO looks to be a good alternative. Does anyone know if diesel heaters can run on HVO?

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Yes they can!

[@paulsaari4578]

Been drivning with GTL diesel for about 200k km without any issues, even in my old Hilux. So i was very suprised to see your fuel pump gasket to fail. How old was the fuel pump gaskets in your Volvo?

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Paul Saari, no Volvo, but a Van Hool, with M.A.N. engine. It is a '87, so old gaskets

[@paulsaari4578]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV ohh, i am sorry..dont know why i had it for a volvo🤭. Ok so do you think it would happen again with the new gasket? Thanks for the video btw👍

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@@paulsaari4578 no it won't. The new ones are modern and adjusted for modern fuels.

[@panteret]

wonder if i can get this in norway for my scania cl112?

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Should be available, especially for trucks!

[@Nicokleijn]

Mijn bus loopt 1 op 4 dus een andere brandstof dan gewone diesel gaat hem niet worden. Bovendien is het roken alleen een probleem bij een koude motor, daarna is het vrijwel weg. Met een 30 cent hogere prijs dan de toch al idioot dure normale diesel zal het niet veel verkocht worden denk ik zo.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Dank je voor je reactie, Nico!

[@JH10778JH]

Vraag: Hoe staat het nu met de peilingen in de brandstofpomp. Nogmaals moeten vervangen?

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Hallo Joop. Ik weet niet exact wat je bedoelt met 'peilingen', maar de pomp is voorzien van nieuwe, moderne pakkingen, dus de lekkage is volledig verdwenen. Oude NBR-pakkingen verdragen deze moderne brandstof(fen) niet.

[@eddygemert9378]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV Bedankt voor je heldere uitleg. Ben wel benieuwd of dat een dure hobby is om die pakking te vervangen en weet je toevallig ook of dit kan bij oudere pompen(1976)?

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@@eddygemert9378 ja, dat was in mijn geval wel duur. Het pakkingensetje zelf was maar € 7,50. Maar het uitbouwen, uit elkaar halen en weer inbouwen, dat was een dikke klus (middenmotor). Ik heb het laten doen bij Van Zonsbeek in Dreumel. Die hebben nog speciaal een oude testbank voor oude brandstofpompen. Dus je zou daar terecht moeten kunnen met eentje uit '76.

[@eddygemert9378]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV Dank je wel voor je reactie, ik hou het zeker in gedachte.

[@egten]

ik hoop het dan kan ik mijn oude camper houden. maar ik ben bang dat de staat dit weer niet goed genoeg vinden

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

nee, ik denk niet dat het tot de revival van de oude dieselmotor gaat leiden, Eddy.

[@robert.lammerts]

Heb je deze al geprobeerd www.neste.nl/voor-klanten/hierneuwbare-producten/nexbtl-hernieuwbare-diesel/voordelen-van-nexbtl-hernieuwbare-diesel

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

Dank je Robert Lammerts, erg interessant! Thank you Robbert Lammerts, very interesting!

[@andershansen6100]

Dont see why the increased cetane number for HVO Diesel should increase the fuel economy. Regular diesel has a cetane number that does not cause excessive ignition delay. Could it be that the LCV (lower calorific value) is higher for HVO Diesel? I will look it up...

[@RuudVandenBroek]

AdBlue in mijn Diesel tank was geen goed idee. Nu de garage

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

AdBlue?? Dat is toch echt iets heel anders

[@RuudVandenBroek]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV Ja dat weet ik nu

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@@RuudVandenBroek Ai!

[@redin575]

Fossil free, eh? I'd argue it's just about impossible. Think about lubricants, tires, wire insulation. But it's a step in the right direction.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

It's not the point your trying to proove that should worry you, but the reason why

[@redin575]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV You said the same thing on Facebook, and it makes no sense. I think you just don't like what I'm saying.

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

@@redin575 and so did you. You are right, I don't like what your saying

[@redin575]

@@HanVerdiHuskyRV No, what I said made perfect sense. Your video title is nothing more than clickbait. Going "fossil fuels free" is not possible. If you think I'm wrong, then explain why.

[@redin575]

I suspect you haven't actually thought very hard about what "fossil fuels free" actually means.

[@einarb86]

Your rv most likely had a diesel leakage before fueling GTL Strangely enough, Sweden and Finland + several other countries sell GTL as conventional fuel. So this video most lightly is slightly used as commercial for HVO to profit your own interests. Working in engine workshop Overhaul, repair, maintenance Of engines and transmissions

[@HanVerdiHuskyRV]

6 premature and false conclusions in only one comment. That's tough in itself.