"BUT WOMEN ARE INFERIOR" (Is this guy for real?)

[@diogoduarte369]

I think this guy's reasoning is all based on religious faith.

[@Miwles]

"more Judeo than Christian.." yeah I'm gonna agree with you here

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

Worse. His last little spiel was straight out of yahtzi propaganda.

[@authorkellyrey]

I'm so sick of men bringing up points like "Well, men are soldiers" and "Men can fight" and "What about steel mining?" Most men will NEVER see combat. Most men are not MMA fighters. Most men are not mining. 🤦‍♀️ Stop using a small group of men to justify your misogyny against ALL women.

[@volk4523]

The fact that he said steel mining shows me he know nothing of metallurgy.

[@darkblood777]

I know a whole bunch of women cops, and while they're sweet as pie in social life they can take down a man twice their size when they need to.

[@ionfilter0304]

i have to disagree with your comment. Fighting, steel mining, and combat have no bearings on genetics. You find the world's best female fighter and put her up against the world's best male fighter and you can post the funeral details next. This is a dangerous idea that has lead to women getting knocked out on the streets! The same premised is used in weight divisions across all spectrum's of combat sports.. Hey i love featherweight boxing, but they wouldn't last two rounds in a heavy weight match. Don't believe me, look up Lucia Rjiker, also known as Lady Tyson. She is the most devastating female fighter this beautiful world could produce.. Got sent to the shadow world against a man who didn't even have the same fight experience.

[@volk4523]

@@ionfilter0304 This is delusional. Weight class is pretty much the only defining factor here.

[@tari8134]

@@ionfilter0304 What are you disagreeing with? OP said that most men are not MMA fighters, which a fact. And they brought up 3 points but you only hyper-focused on one for some reason. If a woman trains she could probably handle some random mf on the street.

[@laicecardoso]

“Never did boxing but I’d be in the 90%” my goooood the AUDACITY! He could go against the last of the league and he’d be destroyed

[@phanatic215]

A trained boxer would be a stronger, not trained person every time. Training builds endurance and gives insight. A lady boxer would outlast the fat old man, and she could see how is body reacts choreograph his punches.

[@ItsFuckinLoona]

can't wait for them to realize boxing is more than strength for one, AND THEN learn that these gals are strong.

[@JadeHarleyCoffeeMug]

“i believe women make better lawyers and politicians” great! then we should’ve let them take those careers from the get go!

[@christophergibson4834]

"Thats just natural, you dont need science to prove it." Bold. Bold to admit you base your beliefs on feels.

[@PaladinsFury]

Right at the end he went right into a Jordan Peterson script. It’s always ends up in Christo-Fascism

[@BusyGrover]

Jovan you do great Next time someone brings up women in service you should point out those nurses had to fight for decades to get VA benefits. Most died without ever receiving them.

[@winnieshrader6120]

7:44 So can low and high blood sugars as well- there is a plethora of things that could make you aggressive. Glad Jovan went into it.

[@ATB_614]

Next time there is a caller with this mindset I really want to get on the call with the person and grill them on their thought process as a stay at home dad

[@memedealermikey]

“you’re a stay at home dad? Congrats on your transition!” - this guys logic

[@nataliewood8930]

This guy just oozes misogyny

[@dinofacedindividual9462]

The thing about women’s “roles” is that these “traditional” ideas of women as the sole homemaker and child-rearer are modern conceptions. Let’s say we travel to medieval France. Peasants of any gender were expected to do manual labor of some kind. On the noble side, it wasn’t the aristocratic women who were responsible for making the home or raising the children, it was servants who did both jobs primarily. Obviously, that doesn’t mean women were treated well back in the day. But these “traditional gender roles” people spout about aren’t as traditional as they think.

[@ionfilter0304]

modern conception? That's how most large primates work.. In large primate society the male has a defined role as does the female. The female rear the children, while the male protects and determines the safe path to move. The role reversal we now have in our society IS the Modern Concept you speak of.. Secondly the servants who raised the children, made the home were also women.. Just not the mothers. And the male servants were primarily working in manual labor.

[@casual_speedrunner1482]

​@@ionfilter0304Perhaps there is no difference between yourself and the average chimp, but for the majority of the rest of humanity, that is not the case.

[@dinofacedindividual9462]

@ I’m not sure if you noticed or not, but I’m talking about human roles, not gorillas. The roles of other large primates have no bearing on the roles that humans have developed (you’d be wrong regardless. Male gorillas do assist in the rearing of children, and this has been noted as having extremely positive impacts on the young gorillas). Male servants in castles or manors were able to take on many duties, which included cooking, housekeeping, and tutoring (which I’d classify as rearing).

[@ionfilter0304]

@@dinofacedindividual9462 First. Looking at primate societies have indeed shed light on human behaviors. Second. "The roles humans have developed" Which proves my initial response to your comment..Third. Male Gorillas are known to be caring to their young because the females watch and judge him on his fatherhood. Thus increasing his chances of mating.. Lastly the though SOME males were tasked with the aforementioned duties, most were outside doing the manual work. Most of the babies were reared by female servants of whomever was in power, Queen,etc. My response still stands..

[@ionfilter0304]

@@dinofacedindividual9462 Take a chimp society where role are clearly defined and adherence to those roles meant survival or destruction..What would happen to that society if the roles were reversed? Chaos and Confusion.. Yes we as humans have come a long way from those strict defined roles.. We can reverse those roles because we have advancements in life other species do not.. But we are relatively new to the timeline and there are parts of us that are subjected to those original roles. It's a progress sir. We have only been on this earth for 200,000 years. That's 0.005% of the planet's history. We are still evolving. Some way slower than others. Not referring to you btw. I not taking a jab at you..

[@tari8134]

Modern masculinity is ideology. You have to adhere to its strict dogma or people like the guest will call to complain to the manager, or in this case, Jovan. Transpeople threaten their ideology and their hatred is a reaction to that threat, not to mention the fact that they've fallen for propaganda. They also want to portray women as weak and inferior because it makes them feel more manly by contrast. They're trying to enhance the perception of their own manhood by denigrating women because what else are they supposed to do. Most avenues for positive masculinity are closed or invisible to them, so all they have left is bashing women and destructive hatred. (Proof that masculinity is basically a religion is the # of men that come into the chat and whine about the cat ears as if a man wearing cat ear headphones is an affront to god.)

[@Ruby_Eve]

Wish society could prop up examples of healthy masculinity like modern kratos and aragorn. They're perfect representations of masculinity done correctly

[@Miwles]

"transpeople" one word? it's an adjective not a prefix

[@casual_speedrunner1482]

​@@Ruby_EveDoom Slayer! The very definition of masculinity! But he does it to protect the innocent, and he is absolutely, utterly, unwaveringly fair. And it's also in the memory of his pet bunny. Perhaps it's not as "perfect" because his character, beyond being pissed off, isn't as obviously shown throughout the games like with Kratos. It IS there, however.

[@Bingbong557-p1n]

This comment is underrated. Nailed modern masculinity ideology

[@combatwomb1]

WOW the antisemitism caught me off guard lmao

[@laicecardoso]

He is dunning Kruger personified

[@Hyde0991]

That military school story was not what he thought it was if he was talking about Shannon Faulkner. I believe she left the school due to harassment.

[@lulolie]

It's a choice to feel more comfortable living a certain way? Dude...

[@frishter]

Yep. For example some people would rather lie because it makes them feel more comfortable than telling the truth.

[@Miwles]

@@frishter I can't tell if this is transphobia or not

[@Boneworm852]

​@Miwles it is

[@prestokrevlar]

Hurts to listen to. No shade to Jovan, all respect for dealing with this.

[@erin6784]

May I recommend research into Night Bomber regiment 588, the night witches? And the shooters Annie Oakley trained? And Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko?

[@Hyde0991]

The exception would be the women he can beat. I feel like he doesn’t understand boxing. Maybe if he’s only fighting atom weight people.

[@thehatertatertotautobot2526]

It always baffles me when people are like "I could debate anything on your list, *you* choose the topic." like bruh, didn't *you* call Jovan to debate? How tf do none of these people understand how basic socialization works? This is like going up to a fast food restaurant and telling the cashier to decided what you should order. Fucking daft beyond belief and all but guarantees they've no idea what they're actually on about. If they knew what they were talking about, they'd come to talk about a specific topic, not this BS 'dEaLeR's ChOiCe' dance that almost every call seems to start off with.

[@coleray1413]

No matter how much I disagree with him, his accent is so good lol

[@KByrd]

W, L, and everything Or. These were the ingredients chosen to create the perfect comment. But theakkiqueen4655 accidentally added an extra ingredient to the concoction, Chemical Whatever. Thus, the perfect comment was born...

[@UltraBall23]

Why are women always nurses and never doctors? 🤔🤔🤔

[@nataliewood8930]

8:30 I think it has less to do with your hormones and more about the toxic way they were raised

[@CharlieApples]

Also genetics. Some aspects of personality are inherited, particularly from your grandparents. Some people are just inherently more bold, hyperactive, short-tempered, extroverted, etc. despite being raised by parents with completely opposite personalities. But it isn’t determined by sex.

[@quinn7427]

​@CharlieApples source? Particularly on the grandparent connection, since, yknow, we have 4 of them and that's QUITE a few supposedly heritable traits to be battling for dominance. I haven't even heard of any personality traits being found to be genetically determined, let alone heritable

[@ExpertContrarian]

Yeah, usually the single moms

[@quinn7427]

@ kinda weird to not just say single parent households and instead specifically call out mothers. I wonder why someone might do such a thing

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@quinn7427 I’m sorry the facts offend you. Sure is strange you’re fine with calling out some toxicity but not others

[@memedealermikey]

his takes were so bad that Jovan didn’t even care that it didn’t relate to the central point… I was curious too, ngl

[@nzephier]

15:16 if women are better politicians...THEN WHY DIDN'T KAMALA WIN!?!

[@Miguel_0011Z]

13:00 yeah no lmaoooooo

[@BryanBrooks]

Caller totally lost me at the end.

[@LunarSage69]

Hormones wont change (lists things hormones change and specifically mentions the hormone responsible)

[@autibee69]

7:53 is there science in the room with us?

[@frishter]

Not in this one.

[@legrandeblackwell2541]

😂 the abrupt ending 😂

[@MoreThanAMia]

The coded anti-semitism here is wild.

[@paulaguenon1660]

Jovan has a lot of patience.

[@bertha322]

I cannot believe this guy is 58 years old 😭😭

[@Srcsqwrn]

I have no words to describe how I feel. That was quite the ending

[@TheDahaka1]

9:25 The origin of sex dymorphism stems from the fact that human females evolved to have only one, usually, baby at a time. That means that to multiply more, humans need a lot more females than males, making the males way more disposable. That meant that males had to evolve to instinctually protect females, and part of that became the refusal of letting women fight, because putting females in risky situations meant less people for the next generation, which is evolutionarily detrimental. Sadly, this meant that males turned the situation around and used their higher body strength and general aggressiveness against the ones they evolved to protect. Basically, culture perverted the natural order, and convinced men they were superior to women, while the actual natural order would be something similar to elephants, were the females are in charge of decisions, or even to ants and bees, where the males are just there for reproduction, without any other significant role. The fact that wars, conflicts, and even casualties during the hunts went down drastically meant that now there's an over abundance of males, something that our species hasn't evolved to account for, and this means there's a heavy unnatural imbalance of power.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

This is evopsych nonsense.

[@pilkpepsimilkk]

the fuck are you talking about

[@SydneyAnokam]

@@zacheryeckard3051how ? explain ?

[@ExpertContrarian]

There’s no such thing as natural order 😂😂😂😂

[@frishter]

I can't believe the amount of people that deny evolution just because of inconvenient truths.

[@Boneworm852]

Show me in the human genome where patriarchy evolved.

[@JohnEZasfuck]

Still chirping in the comments instead of debating?

[@yoyohayli]

I guarantee I am a better logical thinker than he is. Just calling it. It's pretty easy to tell from the get-go.

[@Dumbozo_II]

There is too much lip smacking in this video

[@sololeveler8179]

why is your last twitch stream 1 year ago

[@paulaguenon1660]

I like to see how men would handle birth.

[@ExpertContrarian]

Easily.

[@a.leigh215]

This guy's voice... Ugh

[@LozenAndTheCatGods]

My IQ was tested when I was thirteen and I scored in the genius category. I studied engineering in college, became a firefighter/paramedic and saved hundreds of lives, reared three children, and now I’m nearly 70 and work at the Post Office. I am inferior to NO MAN!

[@ExpertContrarian]

are you actually pro choice or just pretend pro choice?

[@5-Volt]

Anyone like Jovan that basically argues that theres no such thing as physical or behavioral sexual dimorphism, I just can't take seriously at all.

[@Luke-ep7zk]

Is that supposed to invalidate the study that showed certain brain areas in trans people are similar to cis people?

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@Luke-ep7zk is bringing up, supposed to invalidate that sex is a biological fact?

[@gutgunstig7061]

Did xou not watch the debate? He says there are physical differences between male and female. How should anyone take YOU seriously, when you are already dead wrong?

[@Luke-ep7zk]

@ It is, but it’s separate from gender.