Button gets fired up talking about what Dubas’ message to the media should’ve been | OverDrive

Craig Button joins the OverDrive guys in studio to discuss their thoughts on Kyle Dubas’ vision of the Leafs, his comments to the media about where the team stands 20 games in and if he deserves the benefit of time to learn how to be a General Manager.

[@demarcdegasol]

Craig button looks like the mayor of whoville

[@grahambrown1925]

That's silly.... Whoville doesn't have adequate hair care facilities for him

[@stupidas9466]

Graham Brown he just uses the hair that the grinch sheds to fill in the bald spots. Maybe thats why he's always so ornery.

[@jonathangarmuth8975]

About as smart too

[@kasonriver6071]

I know Im kinda off topic but do anybody know a good website to stream newly released movies online?

[@ericbilodeau8526]

You can't knock Dubas for going with Sparks over Mcelhinney. Obviously it didn't work out. But every single GM in the league would have gone with the 25 year old who was just the AHL goalie of the year and led the team to a championship over the 36 year old career backup who just had a great season but had been pretty bad for most of his career. He could only choose 1. No GM would have just cut Sparks and not given him a chance. None. That was a no brainers decision but it just didn't work out.

[@dougdouglasberg5756]

Good point. Thanks for the additional context.

[@tompriestley8221]

Eric do you listen to SDP because yes

[@brianf147]

someone that has brains finally

[@T2P661]

Great comment

[@reidbell-ralston8664]

Bruh your comments are on point. Good fuckin yard.

[@ericbilodeau8526]

Matthews is +10 and is on pace for 53 goals and 107 points. Tied for 3rd in goals, 6th overall in points. He's playing pretty fucking damn good. For a team that is only +1 in goals scored over goals allowed, Matthews has been on ice for 11 more goals scored than allowed. In case you suck at math that means the team is -10 in goal differential when he's off the ice. That's a jump from +11 to -10. That's insane. He's keeping the team afloat. Him and Andersen.

[@poopcrust3400]

Eric Bilodeau what about the 25 million on the second line? Shit my “identity” line of lucic-brodziak-kassian would outwork Tavares line

[@Torontogal1973]

How different this would all be playing out if Hutchie could have gone at least .500 [2-2-1] Leafs would have 26pts and currently would be tied with Boston in the divison lead [Boston holds 2games in hand]

[@dangular95]

Sweety the story of the “what if’s”

[@blake6992]

Marner is overhyped

[@bweiss22]

+ and - is a useless stat judging an individual player

[@Chips_95]

100% of all NHL GM’s at one point had zero experience in the NHL

[@Thenorthelect]

Marcus Goddard couldnt they be assistant gm’s before tho? Just saying lol

[@maxpowr90]

@@Thenorthelect Jim Benning and Don Sweeney were under Peter Chiarelli when he won the Cups with the Bruins in 2011.

[@ianmudd1383]

Craig Button talking about how bad a GM is ironic

[@Chris_Ireland]

absolutely love how buttons hasnt drank the leaf kool-aid.

[@Ryan-fy2oe]

hey Craig (I know you'll never see this), but remember when you were the GM of Calgary for 3 years after having no experience? How'd that team do? 0 for 3 in making playoffs. The next season you're replaced by Darryl Sutter and that same Calgary team goes all the way to game 7 of the cup final.. yeah. you sure seem like the guy to be telling someone else how to be a GM.

[@ddmath]

Bingo!

[@keeganmoonshine7183]

Doesn't that make BUtton an even better person to give an opinion then? He knows what its like to fail and he seeing it in Dubas.

[@Marc-master-of-the-reef]

Not only that, even if a new gm comes in Button had most of the work done for Sutter to take over. I don't always like his opinions but he does know what he is taking about.

[@HarryOsborneAS31]

@@keeganmoonshine7183 Dubas made the playoffs last season though and had their most competitive series against Boston in 3 tries

[@y3ee3e]

@@HarryOsborneAS31 making the playoffs and being a good loser in the first round is now grounds of compliment? LOL. Leafs

[@ddmath]

Dubas isn't going to give the media one damn thing to hang their hat on. Good for Dubas, no need to air any perception of problems, no need to make any call out, give the media nothing. I would imagine that Dubas and Shanny are talking to the coaches and the players. O'dog is right, Button is wrong.

[@deeg8849]

cant understand this Dubas love thing. he is worthless and in time everyone will see it

[@danw.8134]

Don't need Dubas to say anything to know what the problem is. All skill, no heart.

[@SceptileSlash]

Oh yeah, just pretend everything is okay! That'll win you a playoff round lmao

[@floxy20]

I love watching this crap. So entertaining as a fan of all teams except the Leafs.

[@JHockeyFan]

floxy20 Same. Exact reason I watch LFRs only after they lose. Love seeing them fail.

[@Swyzzl]

@@JHockeyFan Thats a bit psychotic

[@PadreMDB]

Button should go back to Wednesday's Montreal Colour ! 🤣😂🤣 gotcha Craig !

[@SceptileSlash]

Right? Hahaha I can hear the panic and it's music to my ears lmao

[@captionthis9823]

@@JHockeyFan you certainly live a very fulfilling life

[@mikebarrett6375]

Dubas has no experience? He was a GM in the OHL and again in the AHL. Both leagues he built winners... That sounds like experience to me

[@deeg8849]

typical Leaf Nation mindset. Dubas blew it. In a cap world, manging money is key. Hawks gave high contracts to Toews and Kane. Kings to Kopitar and Doughty. Pens to Crosby and Malkin (you get the idea - all these paid high dollars to 2 players to be able to build a complete team) Dubas has given high dollars to 4 players (Mathews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander) and we won't win with all this skill and speed cause they have no grit, work ethic and defensive shut down game. Plus because he's overpaid up front, he can't even get a decent back up. If he just left $500k more for a back up, we'd be in a different space. Button nails it, his philosophy ain't experience. The OHL and AHL aint no NHL.

[@nickb7666]

OHL and AHL are different leagues. Can’t build a team with a bunch of 5’11 144lb players afraid to block a shot or go into a corner.

[@Ryan-fy2oe]

@@deeg8849 lol.. "high dollars" to Nylander.. he makes under $7M for almost a point per game. Yeah.. sounds like a terrible contract. Typical guy who doesn't know hockey mindset.

[@jayvardy]

That's because you're an idiot Mike. The OHL is a junior League aka as an amateur league. And the AHL, while being a pro League, is barely a top 5 league in the world. Both the NHL and KHL are above the AHL, and one can argue the Finnish league and Swedish league are above the AHL also. Dubas was the GM of the Marlies, but most the players on the Marlies were draft picks of the Leafs and not AHL signings. Meaning the scouts and previous GMs built the Marlies more than Dubas did. All Dubas did was hire the coach and made a few AHL signings. So basically, he had very little to no experience at all before becoming an NHL GM.

[@TranTek]

Nothing to do with experience, team has enough speed and skill, players need a good idea coach able to manage the talents.

[@CHAUNCEY.GARDNER.]

I bet Mark Hunter is laughing,Yikes

[@cudaus1]

Hunter should have been the GM.

[@198634]

Scarborough Guy - Lou Lamirello is laughing even harder

[@deeg8849]

Go back even further. Lou is howling with a good looking star less team in the Island. Shanny had a proven cup winning GM and a young team on the rise with all the pieces and plenty of cap space that would need to be managed. He also had a so called wonderboy in the Marlies in Dubas for a future Management position that other teams were calling about to lure away. He also has plenty of other experienced and proven NHL management around the table in Hunter and Lemaire. But Shanny opted to go with Dubas and potential instead of proven experience. Dubas has been chomping on unproven philosophy (speed and skill, speed and skill)ever since to no avail. But look at his actions since. 1) Love John Tavares but signing him to me meant that one of the big 3 kids would have to go cause in cap world, you can't make it work. He blew that. 2) He was gifted a goaltending tandem in Anderson and McElenany (maybe the best in the league) by Lou and rather then give McElenany a lousy $400k more, Dubas was sold on Gareth Sparks and his ability to save $500k. That failed and then he repeated the same mistake in the offseason by getting Hutchinson on the cheap as well. God help Dubas if Anderson gets injured for an extended time. But more Leaf fans are stupid and will blame Babcock. 3) His handling of the big 3 contracts in Nylander, Matthews and Marner is most concerning. He wisely holds out on Nylander's unreasonable contract amount request for months and then an hour before the deadline, gives him what he wants. The team was rolling and then when an out of shape Nylander comes in, it flounders. More importantly it signals to the Mathews and Marner camps that Dubas can be had and had he was. Team Matthews goes to work right away signing a deal in January, effectively taking away Dubas's last position of negotiation strength to be able to negotiate with both Matthews and Marner at the same time in the summer. But with Matthews signed, Marner argues in the summer that he is the teams best point player and deserves riches as well. I don't blame the players. Each is still producing at an effective rate. I blame Dubas because he left nothing to work with. 4) After last years Bruin playoff loss, Rosie DiMano of the Toronto Star asked Dubas if he was still committed to his speed and skill philosophy given that they were once again out hit, out worked and out hustled and that maybe the team needed to get a bit bigger and physical. Dubas said our guys are young and I am convinced that our best players will get more physical and play bigger as they gain experience. Huh, you really think Nylander, Marner and Matthews are ever going to play bigger and more physical? Do we want them to? 5) Okay Dubas made some deals bringing in Muzzin, Barrie and others. He signed Kappy and Johson to team friendly deals and he was able to drop high contracts in Marleau and Zaitsev. But remember the cost of this. Lost draft picks, especially first round., lost Kadri (grit down the middle), players picked up on defense have no contract next year and the team hasn't enough cap space. Plus the drops of players are nothing given the deep pockets of the team. Dubas has been a disaster ala John Ferguson Jr and Gord Stellick. 6) All this Babcock has to be fired crap is just that. There is no other person in this organization who is as passionate and prepared game in and game out as Babcock. He knows what is missing but he doesn't have the pieces to make it work and the players just can't adapt to what is needed to win. Asking Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapinen, Moore, Johson, etc to play a physical two way game for 60 minutes is just not in these players make up. It's okay to have a few of these guys because you need the scoring skill. But when its all skill, it doesn't work. So what is Babcock to do? Its not sensible in my view for him to take the heat. Here is what I would do. Hopefully Nylander continues to remain hot and put up points. Nylander and Kappy or Johson on the trading block. With this, we free up $10 million in cap space. Goal is to get Matthews a Hyman like player (hard worker, physical) to play with he and Kappy or Johson. Cost is about $3 to $4 million. Then get a similar player on defense for similar money. Spend then is $7million, freeing up $3 million for the offseason to shore up defense and to spend a bit more on a backup. Plenty of teams are looking to add offense, puck position, speed and skill and making Nylander and Kappy/Johson available does this. It also gets Dubas's hands dirty in shaking his sweet wholesome act because he would be going against his earlier word to Nylander that he wouldn't trade him. If Dubas doesn't do this and shift his philosophy and take a step back a bit on some skill to add grit, then he better make up his mind and go full tilt on his speed and skill philosophy. Because this wishy washy scenario now is kaos and on him. He is the boss. That means firing Babcock, bringing in Sheldon Keith, letting every player wheel and deal, having Anderson face 50 shots a night and get surely injured, seeing the players get injured as well cause they are taking all kinds of risks to produce offense and then getting eliminated from the first round again by a team committed to a two way game. Then we are back to the Ballard era where players all wanted to leave cause the heat was so strong from fans and media. If Dubas ain't able to handle it, then Shanny better because he started it all going with Kyle

[@198634]

Doug G very interesting perspective and not out of the realm of possibility .

[@AnekdotTheImmortal]

@@deeg8849 great points

[@WellHungDaddy]

The Toronto media is just as embarrassing as the Leafs

[@davidkruse4030]

@@WellHungDaddy there is no room for homophobic name calling. you have been warned.

[@nathanlewis16]

Dubas won with the Marlies lol

[@strumptavianroboclick5596]

ahl ain't the nhl.. different beast altogether.. but I agree dubis has done a good job..

[@eddardstark8673]

@@strumptavianroboclick5596 he paid 4 players 40 million/yr combined. That's idiotic

[@alphakennyone4053]

Eddard Stark it’ll be worth it when the leafs win the cup

[@careyblake4522]

Umm ya he built that team and they won the cup.

[@Surl9596]

Alpha Kenny One you mean IF they win it lol. He’s counting on a lot of things happening in his favor. Should’ve traded Marner

[@austing.8870]

I love watching this team fall apart

[@jeffreypeterson3238]

I love the title! "Gets fired up....". I saw "Dubas" and "fired" and jumped for joy.

[@danielcarney1021]

lmfao I didn't jump for Joy but I immediately took a closer look

[@Ettore-vs7cn]

Leafs did some grit and toughness thats why they are losing no one hits or goes in the corners.

[@danielmurphy3058]

Dubas with thst glasses looks like the lady librarian.

[@sweetswing1]

Babcock is like the A's manager in Moneyball that refused to use the players correctly.

[@yanniko2437]

The team is not that good, Babcock or not Babcock. Goalie and defence is mediocre.

[@macdaddy351000]

Faksakes Babcock is a Stanley cup winning coach. I think he knows what it takes to win a cup. He realizes the short comings of this team. Little to no grit. Swiss cheese defense. Barrie is a poor fit. No backup goalie. Dubas dropped the ball and neglected important aspects in building the roster

[@whitehh15]

@@yanniko2437 Freddie Anderson is one of the best when he's on his game. Backup goalie situation is a joke though

[@sweetswing1]

@@macdaddy351000 Nah, he's terrible. His ego is too big. That cup was gifted him.

[@sweetswing1]

@@yanniko2437 lol, ok. They have the most forward depth in the league and Id rank Anderson top 15 goalies. And im a Habs fan btw. Not biased. They have Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Johnnson, Kapanen, Moore, and on and on.

[@foxtrotbravo1744]

The next time I see "fired" in a headline, it better include "Babcock".

[@seanconnolly1372]

Solid stuff gentlemen. Bang on.

[@RetroCruze]

I got half way through the video wondering why it was so familiar before realizing I listened to it live on the radio

[@jordanlebow9105]

What happened to the "window" of opportunity to win the cup, everyone said this leaf team has??? Now, we're back at a non-contender?

[@4orrcountry]

Why do you fall for such UNwarranted hype? This D corps is subpar. Until that changes, little else will.

[@121212steve]

Love this panel, best hockey analysis on TV today, hands down.

[@stupidas9466]

Geez ODog, having to use fake accounts is pretty lame.

[@plainbagel9192]

I'll side with Babcock on this one, he has to teach this team how to play defense before they run and gun , that's how you win in the playoffs.

[@natefoulon]

Fire Craig Button that should help everyone

[@diegoiapaolo9848]

Who cares if he doesn't have the experience he's the GM and his vision and philosophy isn't being executed. Who's the boss Dubas or Babcock? So with all due respect Craig this is a new league that's adopted a new line of thinking. It's the coaches job to execute his vision. Babcock lacks creativity and if he can't do his job then it's time for him to go!

[@thehappycappy120]

Babs can go so can Weirdo Waldo Dubas ass kisser

[@ryangilchrist56]

Shanahan is the boss. Dubas can't actually do anything without his say. Including fire Babcock.

[@diegoiapaolo9848]

Toxic man nobody's kissing anyone's ass here. The GM is the boss not the coach learn hockey before you make asinine comments. You don't have to like it or agree with it but, it doesn't change who's in charge of this team and whose vision it is. Do your job Babs cause what you're doing right now isn't cutting it!

[@diegoiapaolo9848]

Ryan Gilchrist technically in this case that is correct as he is second in command but there is no question the GM is above the coach and it's his job to execute his vision one he laid out quite clearly yesterday. Both of these individuals are hand picked by Shanny and it won't be long imho before the coach is gone imho they aren't even close to being on the same page philosophically.

[@ryangilchrist56]

@@diegoiapaolo9848 absolutely agree with you, on everything. I just wanted to point out dubas can't just fire babs, cause im sure we all know he wants to. He does have to go through someone and it has to be backed 100%

[@strumptavianroboclick5596]

you figure with a nose like that Button should be able to smell his own bs..

[@tompriestley8221]

Strumptavian Roboclick quick jab there Biznasty style

[@dwayneneufeld4105]

Lol

[@threethrushes]

But could Button's stupendous nasal architecture support Matthews' gaping nostrils?

[@jomama8156]

Did anyone notice how well they played on Wed? Zack Hyman!!! The Leafs need 3 more Zack Hymans on the team! The guys work ethic is contagious.

[@theshawnmurphyjournal2946]

Is Dubas still learning on the job and are he and Babcock on the same page for the direction of this team and finally how much control does Shanahan have on player decisions

[@erikmartin4996]

Best train wreck in sports right now

[@davidgroves64]

Erik Martin hardly a train wreck.

[@erikmartin4996]

David Groves just give it time

[@shawnogrady6750]

Uhh, Houston would like a word with you right now

[@aaroncascone9370]

Um Ney York Knicks? Or Edmonton Oilers?

[@pecospelagodroma]

I do agree, (unfortunately) we can now officially call it a train wreck! Personally I think Dubas has to go. I don't think it will happen right now. It must start by replacing the coach IMMEDIATELY, then if they continue to flounder this year, Dubas' must go. The problem with Dubas seems clear to me: he relies on analytics for all of his decisions and doesn't realize he needs to balance that information with sound decisions based upon real world hockey decisions. I think Dubas is the perfect example of how theory & knowledge alone does NOT translate into success.

[@junz00]

Im surprised there was no mention of the leafs goalie struggles either. Ya the defence is bad, lots of shots on net, but if our backup was half as good as Andersen i say we would’ve won at least 4 more games. We’ve lost very very close games and hutchinson has been horrible some nights

[@NotAsianButFlip]

The problem with this team is dubas constructed it to outskate and outgun every1 else which is lets be honest we all think thats the type of team they are but badcock is trying to make them play like a team full of grinders dumping and chasing the puck every damn time...

[@davidfitzpatrick4254]

MORE TIME? MORE TIME? DAMN IT WE'VE HAD THREE YEARS!

[@rocksteady4591]

They don't show up until 3rd period for first 20 games!!

[@kevins707]

Craig Button sounds really dumb. - Wants Dubas to yell and scream about the Leafs poor play and call people out. Hayes already pointed out that from a PR perspective they probably played it correctly. Odog had to chime and and be like "dude, they can easily do that behind closed doors" before he understood - He sure didn't have much to say when they were talking about Tyson Barrie underperforming, and how much that is contributing to their start. - Also, "no experience" sounds a lot like "too young." Being a GM in multiple leagues before being a GM in the NHL = no experience? 6 years of scouting I guess counted though... - Overdrive is great, love how none of them reacted to his 'bombshell' that the Leafs won't make the playoffs. - Finally, Button suggesting that the league is still at a point where players like Matthews/Marner need more time so they can be peaking at 32 like Yzerman is obnoxious. If old man sports are his thing, he should be a bowling or darts analyst. Overdrive good. Button bad.

[@barneyblue7355]

Alright but Dubas has made some pretty big mistakes, why is that? i think pointing towards inexperience is fair. NHL is not the AHL or the OHL as they said and that is true.

[@TheSunnySide]

what does any of this have to do with the power play?

[@poopcrust3400]

If shanny needs a gm that doesn’t let star players get there way I’m available. I would never let a player bend me backwards, only shero and snow can.

[@reganbodnarchuk2716]

Taylor Hall for Adam Larson/WTF

[@poopcrust3400]

Regan Bodnarchuk what team is top 5 in the nhl right now? Larsson isn’t a sexy player, you need these type of guys to win in this league

[@aaroncascone9370]

@@poopcrust3400 oilers have got the first overall how many years in the last 10? They only make the playoffs once even with the best player in the league on our team what "winning in this league" are you referring too?

[@poopcrust3400]

Aaron Cascone how many second round appearances do the leafs have in the last 10 years? Making the playoffs ain’t shit if you can’t go deep and compete

[@aaroncascone9370]

@@poopcrust3400 I'm an oilers fan my guy, man you're stupid and biased 😂 rather make the playoffs and get eliminated than finish at the bottom of the standings every year

[@andonakis5741]

does anybody know what ever happened to Nick Kypreos? Id love to hear hes take.

[@T4Orick]

Steve Yzerman had never been a GM before going to TB.

[@gtzemis1]

You understand Steve Yzerman was in Detroit’s front office for years before he became a GM in Tampa? He is also a hall of fame player, captain etc go check Wikipedia lazy

[@golf4ubacknine768]

And , what has Stevie Y accomplished as a gm ?

[@gtzemis1]

Sounds like a question you could look up yourself

[@lawblock]

I was hoping the Leafs would keep Lou for a few more years, or hire Mark Hunter as G.M. l hope I'm wrong about Dubas but I don't think so.

[@zascorpusa]

Peter Whiteman Dubas was a huge mistake by Shanny. He’s regretting it now. Hunter or Lou was much much better.

[@iron-farmer]

Wow that yzerman fact surprised me for sure.

[@armandolarade7861]

Yes, I remember that, they almost gave up on him...he would have looked great in blue and white.

[@deeg8849]

Dubas has got to go. When your 4th highest front line player in Nylander makes $7.9 million a year and your 3rd and 4th line grit grinder 7 players (Mikheyov, Moore, Petan, Shore, Spezza, Tiashov, Gauthier) make a combined $5.3 million between them - you got a problem. I like many of these players but there's not a gritty character get me a crowd rousing bench motivating big hit or goal amongst the lot. Also imagine being the collective 3rd and 4th line and seeing a guy like Nylander prance around the outside with his long blond locks and you all know he's making $2.6 million more then the lot of you. You don't think there would be issues in the room. Dump Dubas and Willie. Use the cap space to bring in grit and character up front and on defense. Then get a backup worthy of the fan base loyalty and pay him the extra $500k. Stop pissing around

[@dslking]

They can play a hybrid of run and gun with a left wing lock. But no toughness will not work

[@navy1987retired]

Don Cherry for Head Coach

[@sp-nx4kf]

Soo clear the problem is Babcock, but here's the real question who do we get to replace him? has to be an awesome coach

[@stupidas9466]

Third youngest team in the league, 11 new players, and injuries to their top six over and over. It's early, relax.

[@bartholomewesperanza3442]

“But he doesn’t have experience!”..... and how does one gain experience, exactly, Craig?

[@gtzemis1]

Bartholomew Esperanza through a slow process over years just as long as Toronto’s last cup

[@dnice4145]

I dont think he's saying Dubas should be fired because he has little to no experience. He's saying there is a learning curve and Dubas might have to adjust his philosophy to deal with the current realities.

[@rothmultimedia]

The issue is that they chose the young inexperienced Dubas over the Hall of Famer Lamoriello. Last time I checked, the Leafs WITH Tavares, are weak entitled middle of the packers. The Islanders WITHOUT Tavares are 2nd overall in the NHL. In the NHL's #1 hockey market, hiring a rookie GM is a mistake. You think Lamoriello would've signed Nylander, Matthews and Marner to those contracts, handcuffing the team for a generation?! You think he would've traded Kadri (who's rocking in Colorado) for some undersized second-paring D named Barrie? Ultimately, this is Shanahan's fault. Again, ANOTHER rookie.

[@threethrushes]

We can and we will.

[@danielmurphy3058]

Dubas should be a GM to Pingpong team.

[@danielmurphy3058]

That guy in white shirt interrupts everybody. Talks too much.

[@Liverpoollassie]

More like a gm to a chess team

[@thehappycappy120]

Dubas would mess that up. This will be his only GM job in the nhl

[@jamiedoiron2855]

that was a pretty aggressive table bump

[@Chris_Ireland]

this sounds very familiar to the oilers 5-6 years ago or so when, I believe dallas Eakins was the coach. the players thought they could just out score the other teams. eakins put them on blast publicly an showed they weren't nearly the offensive juggernaut they imagined they were.

[@troybender1936]

And he was out of the league after that, he was a kook

[@thehappycappy120]

Leafs are good? Good at choking lol

[@Liverpoollassie]

Toxic man yeah and good at nothing

[@shawnaburke3588]

Who's ur team lol

[@Liverpoollassie]

Shawna Burke Sam like the Montreal canadiens and I like the Ottawa senators the leafs are nothing to us btw

[@dompolblanka]

@@Liverpoollassie Both clubs are small and insignificant. Remember that when you go into a jealous rage again.

[@dompolblanka]

@@jateen67 I'm talking about markets. The Habs and the Sens are tiny. Let me put it to you this way. If the salary cap were removed tomorrow both of the those clubs would be perennial bottom feeders (pretty close to it now anyway). In fact the Sens would probably fold.

[@vlun121]

Tyson barrie hasn't really made that impact which is surprising. Edmonton back a year ago made a huge push to acquire him.

[@kenryan4224]

That should have been warning enough

[@329woody]

That's because they are not using him like they should be. Hes a no 1 pp guy that can move the puck. They play him on 2nd pp and he gets shitty minutes.

[@professorC0x]

Oh yea, you had Calgary Vegas and Toronto in the top 10? Lol, can I apply for your job?

[@namasood]

When will the Dubas experiment end?

[@zascorpusa]

N Masood soon

[@EvilBlueNinja]

most hyper critical panel ever.

[@austin306]

Matthews with Johnsson and Nylander is a plus line, Tavares with Marner and Hyman is a plus line. I'll start being negative if the entire team is together and they still arent winning. The media here is, was and will always be unrealistic in their expectations, evaluations and opinions of what this team should be.

[@MIKELOTEMPIO]

The media in Toronto is ridiculous. We’re 20 games in. Have alllllll season to go. It’s not like we’re dead last In the league. Everything gets blown up. Matthews hasn’t exceeded expectations?!? 26 points already on pace for 50 goals. Media criticizes allll the fucking time

[@matttricomi2259]

they need dallas’ gm to walk in there and let them have it

[@davesmith7283]

Someone tell O-Dog what Donaldson and Tulo’s numbers were. Hint they were kinda good.

[@vestaxwax]

Rumor has it Dubas has been talking to Phil Kessel's agent.

[@AraFilmsFire]

[03:40] he's subconsciously talking about Dubas over Lou.

[@dompolblanka]

Within a month Keefe will be coaching this team.

[@jackjdough8]

The Shanna Plan is still a work in progress, it will work out in the long run. Give it a chance.

[@JohnAnderson-sq8lt]

Give it a chance? The team is worse than a year ago! not going in the right direction

[@shawnsimmons697]

Dubas is like Sparks, meant for the AHL

[@jacksreem3577]

fire Dubas!!!!

[@cassandra1418]

I'm sorry who went further in last year's playoffs, Dallas or Calgary? Yeah, I thought so buddy. Sorry but I had a problem with that snippet.

[@moodlampActual]

Toronto wouldn't be floundering if you people would buy a poppy. Smh.

[@T4Orick]

Lmaooooo

[@willalex7949]

Babcock needs to go. He has a Ferrari and is driving it like a Fiat 500.

[@klaytonickinson]

Babcock isnt the problem. Dubas messed up the team chemistry because he fucked up the Nylander contract & now everyone's overpaid. Now salary cap f**ks dubas in the ass every time he tries to make a move.

[@MrRaziza]

James Deng how exactly did he fuck up the chemistry? just curious. not a fan, just an interested onlooker

[@rickg5597]

James Deng they haven’t been anything to brag about since the start of 2019, whether 5on5 or PP. Babcock lost them after winning in Vegas then not letting the boys have an hr or 2 of downtime in Vegas. What resulted next, first 3 game losing streak of the season. Babcock is clearly the most over payed person on the bench. Had a glorious team in Detroit and hasn’t passed 1st round in nearly a decade, talk about overrated!

[@klaytonickinson]

@@MrRaziza He traded away Kadri, the only player with history with the organization AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the only player that has grit. Also Ennis got traded after having a great season for a 3rd/4th liner. Polak was a tank aswell, and Leivo. Now we got a team of players from teams and he isnt addressing a solution to this. Mind you, he did most of the trades because he overpaid Nylander so then he had to overpaid AM34 and Marner so the Salary Cap is screwing his anus everytime he sits in his GM office chair.

[@klaytonickinson]

@@rickg5597 At the same time there isn't a candidate to replace Babcock that would do predictably a lot better. Also why don't we talk about Branden Shanahan the Leafs president, what is he actually doing for this team??? Leafs management from the top down lack enforcement to do better. This is the cancer franchise of the NHL. Add: They really should learn something from the Raptors on how to win. From the president, to the players.

[@urbanpeltier1622]

Dubas' spreadsheet team does NOT Excel. See what I did there?!

[@genekrobel4707]

If the team doesn’t get healthy all year... what is our character? And don’t we have the depth! And skill? How much is this team worth?

[@ramseyshehadeh2914]

Why is Dubas so calm and relaxed? Is this all apart of the plan buddy?

[@manthedestroyer]

What happened to the freakin Shanaplan?

[@ryans413]

3 first round exits and it looks like they won’t even make playoffs this time. Meanwhile Edmonton is cruising and everyone still wants to say Mathews is better then McDavid

[@markandersen793]

I don't think too many people are saying that about Mathews, hell, he's not half as good as Draisaitl.

[@allsystemsgo8678]

I can understand why they signed tavares, but it's cost them a ton which was going to leave them no cap space. They knew they had to sign the other three forwards. They had to let JVR go for nothing, dump Marleau, they can't afford a backup goalie.

[@Gobblerster]

ive been saying this for months now....everyone acts like the leafs' stars have to be bergeron level pros out there every night. the guy is a grizzled vet! matthews and nylander are like 21.....they are gonna need some time to bake before they can be pros every night.

[@nonokayakjack]

WELL...I think I speak for ALL Leaf fans, hockey fans and humanity itself that when Craig Button speaks we are truly listening to the words of GOD himself.

[@jeffreypeterson3238]

I think we need some big contract players.

[@T4Orick]

They need to learn how to play 5 man team defense. Defense wins games, not run n gun offense. Look at TB last year...learn from their mistakes. They are just now trying to play a defensive game, well most of them are. Now to erase penalties from their game. Old habits are hard to break. TMLs are still young enough to learn how to play defense. If they don't or won't play defensively sound, sit them until they can.

[@nneichan9353]

Does Dubas have enough cap space left to try a fix on the team? Sure seems he tossed money around.

[@zachgreen4352]

Although I do think Dubas is inexperienced and has made a couple odd moves so far...he hasn’t gotten to totally mould his own club. He hasn’t chosen the coaching staff that was from a previous GM, who also did not win. I think if he put Keefe in charge you might be surprised the way the team responds to a different type of coach. There needs to be some slack given obviously. But babcocks time and system is basically running out.

[@Liverpoollassie]

Zach Green he did a shit job with the soo greyhounds

[@zachgreen4352]

Kyle and sam mc he improved the team from the time he assumed the GM role and left...a shit job wouldn’t be that.

[@bluesman7119]

as Leafs fans we expected more , I wish there was more grit on this team, more guys that would get into the corners they had that with Naz, and Leo, they miss Matt Martin I know what people will say, but with a Matt Martin players felt bigger more confident since there is accountability , Naz and Leo just got under your skin , but Dubas wants this high speed skating team,, is this a coaching issue no GM issue the GM gets the players, and I feel that Dubas and Babcock are not eye to eye, you have a succesful coach with a Championship resume and then you have Dubas, telling him what players to use, I can't see that working, Babcock must be stewing he is gone from an experience GM like Lou, to Dubas,, I think if the Leafs continue to slide that Babcock will be the one taking the heat, when it should be Dubas,

[@irishaontaigh341]

Grapes for Coach of the Leafs!

[@TylerMorganShow]

Button slams his fist.

[@mikebrunski6381]

I am tired of watching Leaf games where the players are not ready to play hard especially in the first period. They should be ready to play when the whistle blows. I blame the players and the coach.

[@ubermensch9688]

Fucking love button.

[@sassy5128]

Barry Trotz has changed the Islanders. Joel Quenville has changed the Panthers. I rest my case. For F sakes. GET RID OF BABCOCK.... THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS PAYING THESE GUYS OVER THE LIMIT.... He has Shanahan who has experience... HOW MUCH More time ....

[@gordonbgraham]

LedZep 2112 What’s the Panthers goals against and record like?

[@kenryan4224]

Good point

[@sassy5128]

@@gordonbgraham 71 GA minus 1 and leafs being 67 GA... with a plus 1. And the point is defense issues have been ongoing for 3 years now.

[@gordonbgraham]

LedZep 2112 looks like the Florida has the same defensive issues

[@thehappycappy120]

@@gordonbgraham leafs don't like drafting for a shut down d man and the wingers suck at helping to defend. No gritty feisty players to protect Matthews Tavares Or any other goal scorers Babcock got lucky in Detroit this is proof right here. Of course he won in international hockey because Canada has the best talent pool and at the time Canada had the best management team. Babcock's time has passed. Dubas is in over his head simple as that.

[@stupidas9466]

Time to panic, fire everyone! It always worked in the past! Don't wait until the 11 new players and two new coaches get to know each other, or linemates get to play with guys for more than two games before another top six forward gets injured and the lineup has to be reshuffled. Nope, just fire 'em all and it'll all work out fine!

[@Wickard36]

The problem is the wrong coach and not enough grit. Both fixable issues. Free advice from a Canucks fan Leafs fans. 😉 it’s not the end of the world you got the talent. Grit is cheap. O’Keefe’s time is here now. Your core has a big Stanley Cup window.

[@kenryan4224]

Thank you and you are quite right

[@Wickard36]

Ken Ryan your welcome man. Don’t panick, you still got a fantastic core. 👍

[@zigfield723]

Dumbas has handcuffed this team with his moves since taking over. That's clear at this point.

[@anthrax442]

at least he gave the contracts to top talent, not to nobodies, like Lou did.

[@caltroy4899]

Should we have kept lou? I think so imo

[@zigfield723]

@@anthrax442 Except he gave way too much to 4 players, taking up 50 PERCENT of the teams entire pay roll. It won't work, and ESPECIALLY not when you don't have any top prospects in the pipeline that will take up less than a million a year for 3 years minimum each.

[@ihavenopityforthemajority]

anthrax442 lmao no look at Lou. He’s with a better team then the make me laughs 🤭

[@barneyblue7355]

​@@zigfield723 exactly, he fucked their cap structure up bad. I don't see a solution either, i mean Tavares has a NMC, their not trading Matthews, i think they feel the same way about Marner. I guess try and trade Nylander for defense. You still have way too much money on 3 players in my opinion.

[@DeathWish1974]

I liked Hunter

[@ardendragoon]

Mac would have had to go anyway. They couldn't afford him. Some of the top earners are overpaid. The team is screwed.

[@demon66northside66]

They are very talented tho... dont even try arguing that

that quote makes you a moron

[@stuey2112]

Just for the record, Craig Button is not an NHL G.M. . He is an analyst. Just sayin

[@Torontogal1973]

When the Leafs go 13-6-1 over the next 20. These guy will still be pissing and moaning about someone. Which is what the Leafs need to do to get 1st half back on track.

[@vt1340]

@@Torontogal1973 He's right about inexperience on all points, imo.

[@edwinwickman1842]

Button was a GM in Calgary

[@ozzydo2314]

Butron was a gm.

[@Torontogal1973]

@@vt1340 Inexperience had no factor in his ability to get Tavares to sign in Toronto. Or lead the Leafs to a great regular season last year.Toronto did everything right last year, but win a playoff round. Leafs went two months without a lose at home. Leafs set all kinds of Franchise records, Guys a champ last year. Leaf start with half a dozen new faces this year, and two regulars out of the line up. Hyman/Dermott. Tavares goes down with hand injury, Marner goes down. Hutchie can't win a game to save his life, 0-4-1 and Leafs still pull 22pts out of 20games. These guys are just look for any excuse to blame Dubie for little skid Toronto hit in first 20games. The boat isn't sinking, it's been stormy weather, but the Leafs are points per game ,still above water. [.500] Lots of blame to go around, it shouldn't be loaded onto dubie's back. Typical Toronto Media, fire sale when the Leafs aren't winning; and Parade routes when they are.

[@mikec4845]

How many EXPERIENCED GMs have the Leafs have gone through without winning? So hiring and experienced GM that loses is better?

[@vanessacrouch6028]

It's so funny these guys talking about all the bad moves Dubas made that I said were terrible when he made them and got slammed for saying that. lol

[@kenryan4224]

That’s the so called pros usually wrong and change this top team selection as it’s obvious

[@thehappycappy120]

Poor bastard dubas reminds me of John Ferguson Jr

[@terrymcnickle332]

still gotta woodie, won't go away

[@James-il3tq]

Since Don Cherry got turfed I only watch TSN now. Boycott Sportsnet if you support Cherry 🍁

[@matthewkolakowski3701]

The collective response to this video is, Ok Boomer.

[@roycecone4871]

Ok boomer

[@aai3661]

Craig Button has about as much right to criticize as Bill Watters does..ZILCH!! "Listen to my wisdom folks and never mind that I didn't accomplish a bloody thing in my NHL career."

[@joepaiva796]

This players should be ashamed of them selves you wanted the money you got it show me what you got I work 10 12 hours a day 6 days a week I give it 110 percent every day try it Mathews Marnier Nylander it works

no you don't

[@rickmartin2019]

Harry Potter is such a nerd! Wonder if his mother tied a pork chop around his neck when he was a kid so the family dog would play with him! On the flip side, I wouldn't mind having him as a boss! I know I would be overpaid! LOL