Buy A PS5 Now... Or Wait For PS5 Pro?

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[@walterwhite2148]

Those "concrete" leaks came over the weekend and totally change the narrative of this video imo

[@keoki101]

Right.. I've already made up my mind that I'm buying it regardless

[@mostmost1]

Those leaks not concrete

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@mostmost1Tom Henderson has a solid track record. This thing is most likely coming this year

[@lt6532]

​@@mostmost1? The leaks are VERY concrete.

[@GoodlyPenguin]

​@@mostmost1 WELP, Sony is now doing an internal investigation on who leaked it lmao. Your comment aged like milk

[@birdman4birdlegs]

Finally a system that will be able to push Brothers a Tale of Two Sons to 900p 60 fps!

[@techsamurai11]

That’s a nice looking game. Though you do have to wonder if it could have hit 60fps without UE5 and preserved visuals on PS5.

[@dohnjoe9211]

I know you're joking, but the problem with modern gaming is optimization, not hardware.

[@dreamfever8227]

Happy with my PS5 but definitely interested in PS5 pro

[@viktrex]

PS4 professional, 8 years already. Damn, I'm old! 🙃

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

we are kinda are.

[@jasonsmith530]

Remember when Joe Biden was only vice president, crazy times

[@PhantomPain74]

Still on PS4, waiting for the PS5 PRO

[@MajesticBowler]

Games on PS5 Pro will look like games on standard PS5. On consoles you can't change resolution, framerate, textures or effects. Everything is fixed. There are no "graphics settings" like on PC. How many games was updated to PS4 Pro? Rockstar could release PS4 Pro patch for GTA 5 but they didn't

[@sanishnaik2040]

Great decision

[@DarioCoutinho]

It's a good point if you have a external SSD and play only old and sale games. it's a good time to waiting. 😅

[@ManofGears]

Same here, I actually moved from an Xbox Series X to PS4 and I’m absolutely loving it.

[@Lock2002ful]

@@MajesticBowler Tell me you haven’t been playing on PS5 and/or XBSX without telling me. Yes, these days there are settings. Educate yourself before writing stuff that hasn’t been true for a decade.

[@TheForsaken30]

A PS5 Pro is just not realistic in this console generation. Too many factors have occurred or are occurring to not warrant this(chip shortage, pandemic, lack of exclusive gen games, layoffs). If they do bring out a PS5 Pro it will probably sell worse than even the PSVR2.

[@cyphaborg6598]

I'm in the same camp, they do not have the library to make that push this time around. (PS4 games already play well)

[@TheForsaken30]

@@Drakevid say you didn't read/understand a word I said without saying you didn't read/understand a word I said.

[@tsunantsukioka]

I'm still on the ps4 boat. If the price is right I'll get the pro, if it's expensive vs the upgrades I'll get the slim which probably will get a price cut.

[@dougiejones5719]

I'm waiting for the PS5 Pro and here's why: my current setup is the base PS4 (IT'S LOUD AS FUCK) and a 1080p 60Hz TV. I got both 9 or 10 years ago. When the PS5 Pro is released, I'm upgrading to a 4K 120Hz TV -- double the resolution and framerate as what I have now. It's going to last me the next decade, so it's worth it to me.

[@talion7268]

Smart move

[@KennySold]

You have compelling reasons to upgrade but you missed out on a lot.

[@beachlife2968]

A console is basically less than a weeks wages for most working people so just buy them when they come out, don't deprive yourself for years as life is too short.

[@akshatsaxena4137]

Jade give 2 rides

[@dougiejones5719]

​@@akshatsaxena4137I'll bet she did...!

[@hourlyuniform3708]

I think I’ll use the money to upgrade my PC rather than my PlayStation. Bc I’m genuinely happy with my PS5, the fact I can send video clips to my buddy’s was and still revolutionary when I upgraded from ps4 to the 5. Hopefully when the pro comes out they have a sale on the original ps5 for new players. Get the PlayStation community growing 💪

[@ZackSNetwork]

PlayStation is done man just fully convert to PC.

[@Wiiillllson151]

​@@ZackSNetwork PC is done man. Ai bout to make you a vulnerable pawn!

[@GeneralS1mba]

​@@Wiiillllson151Wake me up when Sony announces official AI aimbot so I stop sucking in first person shooters please.

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@GeneralS1mba Just move to PC then guy. Like I said.... plenty of cheats on there to help with your skill issue.😂

[@briankissooncastro]

I think the investment is worth it only if the current library of PS5 games are patched to run at least at 4K 60 fps.

[@kenroyforrester156]

😂😂😂😂

[@sizablekoala6879]

Yeah it would be worth it to me if BG3, FF7 Rebirth, Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2, Helldivers 2, etc had a Pro patch that ran performance mode with quality mode graphics.

[@MajesticBowler]

"only if the current library of PS5 games are patched"... this will never happen. How many games was updated to PS4 Pro? Even GTA V has not been patched to support PS4 Pro

[@Ray-dl5mp]

You’re right but also if it runs GTA6 better (but that’s a big IF). That’s the main reason to buy this. But we have no guarantee that will even happen unless they discuss it. And yes I do think people would buy a console for one game. It sounds crazy but this is the one game I think it would work with.

[@sizablekoala6879]

@MajesticBowler Quite a few did with the PS4 Pro. Most of Sony published games, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, MGSV, Diablo 3, etc. I'd imagine games like Cyberpunk would get a Pro patch since CD Project did it for Witcher 3. Definitely wouldn't be all, but ones like Horizon FW probably will. GTAV doesn't, but Rockstar also hasn't made a next gen patch for RDR2. It's gonna depend on the company behind the game deciding to make a Pro patch.

[@grimdicer152]

Just wait for a PS6 when it arrives

[@petros9711]

PS7 is going to be better, people should wait for it. 😂

[@mikeybronny6579]

😂 ps6? Yes tell someone to not game and wait 4 more year's 😂 🤷🤦

[@boomshorts8331]

Mid gen upgrade are not that cool they stop getting support as soon as their base variant. If anyone wants highest possible graphics on console and does not mind the higher price then it's okay.

[@Chimpyboi]

*Just wait until 2027/2028*

[@wreagfe]

ok, I will thanks for the advice!!!

[@danesmith4227]

$649 is my guess 1440p 120fps 4K 60fps (with adaptive up-scaling) 8K 30fps (temporal Ai up-scaling)

[@SGT___3722]

​@user-dq5pm1nk2h King at being absolutely useless for years and years. Can't wait to get a PS5 Pro, finally leaving xbox

[@madjoe8622]

@user-dq5pm1nk2h The king of the bottom

[@exotikification]

you are probably right :) . They just made a software update called PSSR they could have done with the PS5.

[@lucanos34]

I mean, whats the point. It seems like the bulk of our PS5 games are still built for PS4.

[@Wedge_The_Almighty]

Don’t worry, you’ll get loads of remasters and remakes of remasters of 9 year old games to run your favourite games at 4K 60 with PSSR to upscale it to 8K (once supported) when PC could already do it a couple of years ago.

[@balloonb0y677]

@@Wedge_The_Almighty yeah but $500 more dollars

[@Cowboy_from_west]

Just wait the ps5 will have true exclusive

[@Wedge_The_Almighty]

@@Cowboy_from_west Sony announced they aren’t making much games as the PS5 sales are down quite a bit. I can’t remember exactly what but I remember something like that.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

The point is: $ony has a new product that people gonna buy. And maybe the take the chance to increase prices of that Pro model to maximize profit. At the end that's all what all this is about.

[@BearfootBob]

Probably worth the wait, as it will likely have better smoothness with the generational gpu uplift, it will be like going from 6700xt to 7700xt or 7800xt. That's a nice boost

[@KryssN1]

For ray tracing games and due to frame generation in cpu bottleneck games. It may even be like going to a RTX 3080 / 4070 from a RTx 3060.

[@andrez76]

[OFF-TOPIC] Honest question: what is it with reading "exclamation points" out loud? Who does it benefit? I mean, a blind user would be able to pick up any emphasis from intonation; a deaf user would be seeing the actual punctuation written. Besides, why only "exclamation marks"? Why not read periods, question marks etc. then? Is there any rule about this or is it just some kind of quirk of the reader?

[@craigsampson3386]

Just a quirk, if you follow DF Weekly you'll pick up on these little things.

[@ricepony33]

Perhaps Rich is commenting on the overuse of the ! in recent years.

[@Danymok]

I recently got the $450 PS5 slim + Spiderman 2 bundle, and I'm very happy with it, but part of me is getting ready to regret it if a Pro comes soon.

[@adrianjimenez409]

Seems like is what they recommended back then, new upscaling with a gigantic GPU leap, that way devs can make better use of the memory(even when the CPU is also going to perform better, around 20%)

[@t3chfx13]

10% not 20% better according to Tom Henderson

[@KryssN1]

@@t3chfx13probably by 30% due to frame generation in cpu bottlenecked games

[@SPG8989]

there is no frame generation stupid. It is just upscaling tech, nowhere was frame generation mentioned. @@KryssN1

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

@@KryssN1Probably not. Because game devs have to optimze their games. And they prioritize base PS5 more because of more potential buyers.

[@jjasper7512]

I'm getting a base ps5, on the assumption that there won't be any ps5 pro exclusives, you're only going to miss out on frame rate, resolution and ray tracing. The base ps5 will be cheaper and hopefully as long as there is cross gen ps5 may have support for quite a few more years to come. With Amazon prime I can get a ps5 for £389. I was hedging my bets between series X and ps5 and since the series X power advantage is seemingly non existent price wins!

[@Guwapo77]

Another thing I don’t understand about people’s negative take on a system upgrade. Folks upgrade their PCs every 2-4 years for better graphical fidelity, but this is bad news for consoles? Stop the nonsense.

[@ReginaldVannison7777]

Ikr. And on top of that pay close to $1000 a year on IPhones smh.

[@KennySold]

There's something for everyone, I don't know what the push back is about, just get a base model, or a PS4.

[@chris42069]

Love you guys ❤

[@SnubBarracuda]

I'm in a weird group. I'm primarily a PC user. I do have a PS4 Pro actually and my PC is getting very old. I have an I7 6700k and a 1080 Ti Windows 10 PC that desperately needs refreshing, but I haven't found the value I've wanted with high prices these days and that old machine is somehow still usable. I recently decided to buy a PS5 along with FF7 re-whatever. The very next day I read that a PS5 Pro may be right around the corner and now I'm kind of stuck again trying to decide. Not a huge console guy, but the value is there compared to PC gaming at this time. I would really like to squeeze every fps possible out of my console, so my first instinct is to wait and buy a Pro. Another 100 or so might still be worth it considering I need to build an entirely new machine basically if I want to buy a new RTX card and we are talking used car money at this point lol.

[@Pandemonium088]

I hope its able to do quality in 60fps and graphics maybe in 90fps.

[@cole6383]

As a ps5 owner I don't really feel the need to upgrade. The console runs games well and the few games that don't run well I personally don't play or I play on my gaming PC.

[@bhavinmanari7307]

Well thats what.. they ll make the base ps5 experience a tad bit slow and make the pro version,the ultimate truee master,once it releases😂😂

[@sanishnaik2040]

Im only worried that it wont launch in India before GTA VI. I want to play gtaVI day one:/

[@chrisclarke4295]

quite amusing that this was in the episode immediately before a massive and seemingly concrete leak which has revealed pretty much everything hopefully we'll see one of Rich's in theory videos now that it does indeed seem rather concrete

[@clacky78]

Only reason for me would be if it ran psvr2 games at 120hz eg GT7 not reprojected would be a hard one to say no too. And the game has a 120 version in 2D so it must be the ps5 not up to it ?!?! Other than that I'm happy with 2D at the moment.

[@Safan118]

Do you guys think the PSSR upscaling will also come to PS5 or will it be hardware specific to the pro?

[@allansolano5587]

Probably just for the pro as a selling point, but i feel thats gonna be use only if the devs decide to use it like the checkerboard on ps4 pro but thats gonna be use more for the performance mode because quality modes already have high enough resolution but performance modes are too low res

[@talion7268]

Definitely hardware specific

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

Hey guys @DF Clips ... I really really like those clips although I also like the podcast. But it seems like the algorithm can suggest those clips way better to actual interests (like PS5 Pro in this case) ... which make those clips more "suiting when the time has come" or the viewer is interested in a specific topic.

[@cloudair4154]

i definitely want a ps5 pro.. i never bought a regular ps4, i only bought the pro.. and id like to do the same with ps5.. the added power makes a big difference imo.. textures, detail, and of course resolution and framerate

[@josef689]

My guess is games that currently run at 1080p or 1440p/60 fps will run at 4k/60, and games that run at 30 fps will still run at 30 but with higher resolution

[@geert574]

any 4k 60 is impossible for.console

[@josef689]

@@geert574 I agree, at least for a console

[@animegeek6079]

I think that the games that are running now at 30 fps will go to the pro versions with about the same graphics, but at 60 fps.

[@josef689]

@@animegeek6079 no, the majority of games running at 30 fps on current consoles are running like that because of the CPU, like Gotham Knights and Dragons Dogma 2, the ps5 pro will have a CPU only 10% better, so don’t expect those games to run at 60 instead of 30, some other games that are not CPU intensive could see an increase in FPS, GTA 6, for example, probably won’t run at 60 on the pro due to the amount of NPCs and things happening around you. My guess is the PS5 pro will have games looking like the quality mode from base ps5 but at 60 fps( for the games that have 60 fps modes on ps5) while just having slightly better graphics and resolution for games that run at 30 FPS on base ps5, you just have to look how it was with the ps4 pro, it was at least 2x more powerful than the base ps4, but not even a dozen games ran at twice the FPS.

[@moochoman9948]

Still using my PS4! 😮

[@kenroyforrester156]

That's your problem

[@RoninGxng]

U broke

[@moochoman9948]

@@kenroyforrester156 not a problem at all, still works.

[@moochoman9948]

@@RoninGxng no, I work fine that you.

[@ph8808]

Honestly not even that worth upgrading, considering how massive the ps4 catalog is, especially in comparison to current gen, I would just wait until ps6 or a really good deal on a ps5 later down the line

[@oppa1319]

It basically will add resolution to existing performance modes correct? So if a game has a 900p performance mode than it will have a 1440p performance mode that will be upscaled to 4K correct? Quality modes will have better raytracing.

[@Somewhere_sometime_somehow]

I think this is more or less how devs will be spending the extra horse power. However I expect that even the performance modes might have better ray tracing then they do now.

[@allansolano5587]

Its gonna be up to the developer to do a patch or use that upscaller or fsr 2 just like the checkerboard was barely used on the ps4 pro for 90% of the games, i think this will make games be still 720p or 900p upscalled to 1440p but it will look less blurry, now RT is probably only gonna be use in a especific mode or a quality mode but i dont think we are gonna get that big o jump on resolution for performance modes like i dont think you will get 4K or anything closer for those modes is just gonna made those modes hit 60 fps with no drops

[@D3n1s__]

I'm assuming that with around 45 percent more graphics performance on the PS5 Pro you can play in fidelity mode at 60 fps?

[@12coco100]

If you look at last of us 1 at the graphics mode unlocked runs about 40fps and above at native 4k. 50% raw power upgrade is now a 60fps. I think some other games will use sonys pssr to use ai reconstruction to get to 4k and 60fps or higher with vrr if they want. Its all about how the developers use this hardware.

[@D3n1s__]

@@12coco100 Yes, and then the next question arises directly, does it mean that we will have 4K 60fps with raytracing. So if raytracing is to get 2-3 times better plus if PSSR is added, then that would mean that you either get significantly more graphics modes or you can tweak the graphics settings significantly more.

[@JohnNguyenVincent]

i'm a pc gamer first, I really only played FF7 Rebirth on my PS5. And gran turismo since i got it on launch day. I got some other games like spider man, ratchet and clank, demon souls, little big planet but eh.

[@Chimarkgames]

im same as you i have a ps5 just for some games but havent touched it since because i prefer the pc.

[@Decadent_Descent]

Demon's Souls is the only exclusive worth it atm, and hopefully that's making its way to PC soon enough.

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@Chimarkgames nothing wrong with that, consoles are cheap enough anyways and also easy to sell if you wanted to move it on. I'm sure there will be other games throughout the generation that you'll play though like GTA6 since its not released on PC for a few years.

[@justsomeguywhowatchesanime6810]

​@@Decadent_Descentdef and prob bloodbourne

[@nvc.]

I dont have any problems with games being 30fps if it's really locked with no dips. 60fps for me is basically for first person shooters, or shooters in general that benefits from higher reflexes.

[@minarge]

I purchased a PS5 Slim only a few months ago as an upgrade from my PS4 Pro. I hated how big the new consoles had gotten, I would normally have waited for a pro (the 4k support of the PS4 pro was important to me), but so far there are not really many big games really pushing the power of the new consoles to really sell me on a ps5 pro

[@louis1443]

Really now you’ll get 1800p @ 30FPS this thing is a joke just get a PC

[@onapersonalnote7045]

⁠with ~600 dollars? You’ll just end up with a pc that performs -at best- as good as the PS5

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@louis1443 a gaming PC that is PS5 equivalent or higher is too expensive for the average gamers hence why consoles exist, not to mention the complexity side to PC too when consoles are so user-friendly.

[@KennySold]

​@@onapersonalnote7045maybe on the used market, quick sale on Facebook marketplace, not with new parts, you need at least 850 to match the ps5.

[@donman9154]

​@@craigsampson3386: True - these things can be a real pain... Initially, you pay more for the PC, but it eventually does make-up for it in the much cheaper prices of games and a huge steam library to pick from after a few years (which doesn't simply "magically disappear" whenever Microsoft arbitrarily decides that they need more of the console gamer's money...

[@BasicSneedEducation]

Will the PS5 pro have that internet requirement to pair the disc drive like the Slim did?

[@Zenzuu]

Will be trading in my original PS5 at my local EB game store to offset some of the cost & get the PS5 Pro.

[@craigsampson3386]

Me too, they often do trade bonuses at launch too.

[@jollama]

Imagine trading in

[@jc4446]

Eb games ? Is it 1999 still lol they still exist , that’s great

[@jollama]

@@jc4446 Keep up old timer

[@craigsampson3386]

@@jollama what does your comment mean?

[@rodolfogonzalesmacia7993]

I'll wait for the pro model, I've been waiting for it since the OG PS5 model came out. We knew a pro was going to release and their are still no true current gen games out so I'm not missing out on much.

[@doylelacrua]

I hate this stupid "Should I wait" question. Yes. Keep waiting for the next one.

[@pokemigas6049]

Assuming the leaked specs of the PS5 Pro are real, there's not much point in waiting. It's better but not as much as I think most people had hoped

[@RagoonCrown]

Ummm, it’s way better than what people thought. If the leaks are real, we’re basically getting a PS6. It’s a massive jump compared to PS4 and PS4 Pro.

[@a-animal1206]

Lmao you aren't getting anything near 33 t flops hahahaahah it's 16.75 half of the 33 they tricked y'all with that rdna 3 dual channel nonsense

[@AzaiaMonota]

@@RagoonCrown if PS6 was only 40% better than PS5 that would just be sad

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@RagoonCrownDude Teraflops can’t be compared to different architecture. 33 Teraflops of RNDA3 is slightly below the RX 7700xt. Along with it sharing bandwidth with the CPU. The GPU will only be %50 faster than the PS5 in rasterization performance. The Raytracing is equivalent to a 3070 and its CPU is the same.

[@Wiiillllson151]

What happened to everyone saying it wouldn't happen and that if it did then it wouldn't have and more then 22Tflops...? You guys keep saying it's not worth it while trying to justify high end gpus.

[@cronoesify]

If you already have a PS5, and are invested in the system, it absolutely makes sense to buy the pro and sell the old PS5. If you dont want to do that, but for some reason held off on getting into this generation *and* care about maximum performance, it can make sense. that 80/20 generation split between OG and pro seems like it will repeat here.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Or keep the two that I have with the pro and use the portal to do helldivers in 3 player co op with my kids. Sounds like a plan.

[@HALFSQUASHED]

@@aaronwalsh8469 Sounds like a great plan

[@sizablekoala6879]

Especially if there is a good trade in deal. Gamestop had one that my friend used to get a PS4 Pro with his PS4. I think he essentially paid $150-$200 for the upgrade.

[@craigsampson3386]

Yeah game stores often have trade bonuses too when you trade your current console in towards the next new model. I did that with PS4 to PS4 Pro, then PS4 Pro to PS5. So I'll be doing it again with PS5 to PS5 Pro.

[@cronoesify]

@@craigsampson3386 honestly, it is basically the same as the PC upgrade time/pipeline. And if you never go about building a dedicated gaming PC, this does a great job removing the incentive to necessarily need to go that route if you are fine with an experience that's around 80% of what you could build at a $1200 budget or thereabouts.

[@stevenaceves795]

To me the ps5 is like the ps4 pro 2 or xbox one x 2. Most games aside from a few look like last gen games running on a ps4 pro or one x. Red dead redemption on one x, last of us part 2 or ghost of tsushima on ps4 pro look just as good as most games of this generation. Ratchet and clank rift apart and horizon forbidden west have been the only games to make me go "woah" everything else looks like it came from the ps4 pro generation

[@lordspalse0062]

RDR 2 on the Xbox one X is miles better than the ps5 one (BC mode)

[@TheDomLouis]

I'm also still on PS4 and saving up for PS5 Pro. I cannot wait!!

[@suprxmefire9497]

I'm on a switch & cannot wait either

[@DaveSimkus]

How will the PSVR2 be affected by the PS5 Pro?

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Probably won't be. Sony have halted production of the PSVR2 as it is not selling.

[@Zenith_ZONE]

I've always been on Xbox and moved to PC about over a year ago now. I bought my sister a PS5 maybe 2 years ago now as I knew how hard it was to get them and she's told me that her controller keeps dying really fast when most of the time she's just been using the console for apps like KZbin and recently she told me her controller is having severe stick drift when again, she barely plays on it and has never dropped it. Since they've said the PS5 is at the near end of it's life cycle, I think it would be better for people to wait on the PS6 or move to PC if possible. PS5 Pro just sounds pointless and that goes for Xbox too if they too plan on releasing a next gen console soon alongside the PS6

[@Mopantsu]

PS6 won't drop til 2028

[@starscotten]

How about neither, still doesn't have the five exclusives needed for me to break-even.

[@Leeyon1313]

Thank you Oliver. It’s a no brainer for those who want it. Not too necessary for current owners of standard systems

[@TheKing8608_]

Definitely getting it day one I wish Wolverine was coming sooner I believe that game will be a visual representation of the pros power

[@unjustkatana]

I think it's a great move, it will assure them a very long run.

[@hihihi1q23]

The PS4 Pro was great because it catered to people with 4K TVs. Since we're seeing a lot of modern games struggle to provide decent 4K (upscaled or native) image quality at playable framerates, the PS5 pro could appeal to that same audience.

[@Luke973T]

It's amazing that so many people can't see that obvious factor.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

@@Luke973T I hope that many don’t. That way I will get my pre order in. The ps5 pro is pointless, don’t buy it. Another Sony cash grab.

[@Luke973T]

@aaronwalsh8469 as long as I get it before gta6 I'm good. I managed to preorder the ps5 so this should be easier by far.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

@@Luke973T easiest time to get it is the initial pre order date. Once the scalpers get involved and fomo sets in, that’s when it turns into a s**t show.

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@aaronwalsh8469 haha I pre ordered 2 PS5s at launch from 2 different stores incase the 1st fell through somehow. I got lucky and got both at launch but decided to keep both anyways. Handy having 1 in my bedroom and another in the lounge room. I might trade both in for 2 new Pros if they're real.

[@rudytay83]

The pro is coming this year, and it's a beast of a console

[@Beckzlucaz]

Should i wait ps5 pro or buy slim??

[@emerald_lion_xd6693]

As someone who recently went from PS4 to PS5 about 6 months ago, I kinda preferred my PS4, the only way I'd jump for a PS5 Pro, is if Sony partners with Rockstar to make A themed console and controller GTA6 bundle, similar to the Spider-Man 2 PS5 bundle 💚

[@homernoy]

I mean, do we even know what the price of the PS5 pro is going to be? That's an important part of the equation here.

[@MarquisDeSang]

It will cost 10x less than a pc as powerful.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

​@@MarquisDeSangand perform 10x worse.

[@homernoy]

@@MarquisDeSang Are you replying to me, or was this a mistake?

[@MarquisDeSang]

@@fcukugimmeausername A PC to be as powerful as a console needs to have 4x the specs on paper than the console. You will disagree with me because you are not a low level programmer. Why do you think all games runs ugly on PC much more powerful than consoles?

[@a-animal1206]

Lmaoo please sign off and go take a nap you need one after a comment like that hahahaahah​@@MarquisDeSang

[@ianwood6438]

A few years ago I would have I always have from ps2 to 3 to4 to pro to 5 but I’m seriously done this gen of remasters! They have only just started doing current gen only games and needing a pro! Think I’m done sticking with series x and ps5

[@logannpc2330]

Do you think GTA 6 will run fine on PS5? I know it will release only on the XSX and Ps5/Pro on release. I think 4k 30 will be fine. Do you think 1440p at 60fps is possible without Pro? Bc i think they can. They are releasing an S port so idk (Definitely at 30 fps on S)

[@KennySold]

It will probably have some performance mode for 60fps, and 4K 60 on the Pro.

[@SPG8989]

4k 60......lol keep dreaming@@KennySold

[@logannpc2330]

@@KennySold Gonna need a high end PC for that. I don't see them releasing a $500-600 console with 4k 60-120 HDR, more ray tracing power than base PS5 etc. just no way. Also high end PCs will definitely not run GTA 6 at full settings all the time. High end PCs struggle sometimes with trying to do 4k with 60 fps on AAA games except COD or something.

[@gameindustryinsider6450]

I appreciate Alex input, but he comes from a PC maxing out viewpoint when analyzing console hardware. A console should be judged from what it is trying to achieve, and in that sense the PS4Pro was very tightly designed. I discussed this with a colleague who worked on HZD back in 2016. The team was very impressed how easy it was to get the same game to at “4 times” the pixel count using a box that kept the original price of the base system. The same goes for the Zen2 implementation in the PS5. The cutbacks Alex is referring to makes a lot of sense in a console development environment. AVX instructions are almost useless and more cache would be nice the amount is still very sensible considering the overall performance profile of the system and the extra effort that is usually put into optimizing for a fixed platform. In general DF could benefit from a console developer on the team :)

[@SPG8989]

Alex knows more about console tech than any of you console gamers, so IDK wtf you are on about.

[@gameindustryinsider6450]

@@SPG8989 relax mate, don’t need to get defensive. It is constructive criticism. The DF team would benefit from knowing more about game development in general and console game development in particular. I’m a fan of the channel, and they have vast knowledge, but from time to time they lack certain perspectives.

[@Zentrixu]

I have a question was the ps4 pro much better than the normal ps4?

[@videogameclips6100]

Yes

[@wordsshackles441]

Still on PS4. Waiting for actual PS5 games to come out sometime in next 2 years. Then, and only then, I'll buy a PS5 slim.

[@Crashed131963]

Who cares about exclusive games ,as long as it can play new games period. The Ps4 is not playing Alan Wake 2 , BDG3 or Jedi Survivor . The Ps5 even plays the 155 Ps4 games that have the free 4k/60fps patch . I'm playing my old Ps4 discs of Mass Effect and Witcher 3 on my ps5 at 4k/60 with fast ssd load times. Not at 1080p/30fps and make a sandwich while fast travel loads up .

[@user-ch2gn4ku9v]

I wonder if the pro would change anything with psvr2 performance

[@jjsavior]

If that thing is $650 then im just getting a pc.

[@sanishnaik2040]

$599 is the perfect price for it

[@sdmalpas]

I think its going to be $550 digital only, or $600 with a detachable drive.

[@real_Pinoy]

Too low I'm thinking $699 USD just by looking at the specs or maybe sony wants to lose Billion of dollars

[@mostmost1]

​@@sanishnaik2040that's way too much.

[@GeneralS1mba]

​@@real_PinoyPc parts are heavily upsold lmao. Consoles have dirt cheap cases/cooling, special deals for storage and the apu is nowhere near price of your desktop GPU. Amd isn't trying to make a hefty profit from this, only marginal.

[@horrorjunkie96]

they literally just had a new leak "confirming" so many specs as studios have all gotten their dev kits now presumably. so u genuinely just missed the news :(

[@TheKing8608_]

Allot of first party studios and other studios like rockstar have had dev kits since 2022

[@mattypisme]

I've got 2 phat ps5s I just bought the se and one with the Thanksgiving sale and yes I'll buy a pro too just to have it and xbox if they do another system if it's disc based. If not then I'll quit with the series x.

[@2pacaveli257]

As a ps4 user still, rather wait for ps5pro than the standard ps5.

[@ReginaldVannison7777]

Go for the pro for those who don’t have a PS5.

[@SGT___3722]

💯 that's what i'm doing

[@Zero_System81]

Same here..😏

[@planetnef2356]

That’s if you can get your hands on one 😅

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

... or maybe look out for PS5 sales and the used market to get base PS5 quite cheap and don't bother about maybe that second quality mode for upcoming games that PS5 Pro is going to get, because after all game devs will make sure their stuff runs on a base PS5 in a good way since the user base is much higher than with the Pro.

[@georgelopez-zt4qz]

I would pre-order it now. Just take my money now I can wait a few months

[@KennySold]

You know the console is going to be sold out no matter what people say, pre order as soon as.

[@HotGritz910]

I really think if they came out with $800-$1000 playstation it would sell especially if it did what it is supposed to do. Remember the ps4 pro didn't seel more than the base unit it was just an option.

[@jollama]

Ah yes let’s have a repeat of the 2006 PS3 launch 💀

[@DaveGamesVT]

Wait until next gen so there might be enough games to warrant a console purchase.

[@shubhambhardwaj5076]

Whats the point of buying a pro model if the cpu gain is just 10% doesn’t make sense to me. Fps is more important after you cross 1800p resolution.

[@KryssN1]

Due to frame generation, in cpu bottlenecked games or RT games the cpu performance boost could be evenly to 50%. Like we see in Pc games using nvidia FG + Upscaling😊

[@KennySold]

It probably doesn't need much more than that to achieve what they want. They probably have information from their studios and third parties that the current bottleneck is the GPU. The PS5's current CPU isn't weak. Am not worried.

[@KarlRock]

Wait ⏳

[@boomshorts8331]

Hi man, good to see you here!👍

[@sanishnaik2040]

Good to see you here Karl, love you.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

... only for base PS5 to drop in price.

[@boomshorts8331]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 doubt that cause ps5 pro is launching right around the release of gta 6 which will result in increased demand and inflated price, even for the base ps5.

[@videogameobsession]

Buy. Games work perfectly fine when developed by competent developers. If you want 60fps just pick the PERFORMANCE mode. Also, PS5 Pro is still a rumor. Or wait and maybe not get a Pro, or pay $650 for a Pro.

[@someshwarrao42]

People are talking about how DF missed the “weekend leak” as if DF doesn’t already have a wealth of information about the PS5 Professional with them. They already mentioned the upscaling and AI block in an earlier video, as well as the measly freq. upclock on the CPU. The leak is a further confirmation of what they have been talking about for months now.

[@JuiKuen]

They'll release the Pro and (mainly Western) devs will again hit some technical obstacle(s) they won't be able to overcome because they have to push tech due to lack of creativity 😑

[@mitchjames9350]

I have Series X and PS4 Pro and I am waiting for the PS5 Pro, it would be great if Microsoft release there own pro console.

[@dc2akira]

TLDR: just get something for now since there's no guarantee the console will even come out. The leaks suggest it's the same SOC with more GPU compute units (how I understood it), so it might not even be worth the wait/price.

[@jayvb6133]

Still on PS1 waiting for PS10 😂 DONT WAIT JUST GAME LIVE IS TOO SHORT

[@SpeedIng80]

PS4 Pro is alright, considering I bought it for 284€ brand new back then (Germany 2017) and sold my 2014 PS4 for 170 without the controller, so it was less than 100€ for the upgrade. I'm interested in the PS5 Pro in case it looked better and even more if it was smaller than the current PS5, with the latter of course being quite unlikely 😉. But for sure it would be the best way available to play GT7, which I enjoy very much on the PS4 since its release.

[@KennySold]

Yes same for me, didn't cost much to upgrade to the Pro. Probably also won't cost much to upgrade to the PS5 Pro.

[@theuncanspan]

I bought the PS5 slim last december and i'm very happy with the purchase. A PS5 Pro is redundant. Any mid-generation "refresh" is a stopgap solution and is completely unneccessary in my opinion.

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

RemakeStation5 pro CPU only has 10% gain over standard console CPU= no massive gains for 4k 60/120 FPS GTA 6 Ha much salt incoming!!!

[@a-animal1206]

Funny thing is they think they are getting a 33 tflop console hahahahaa it's 16.75 that's there 45 % increase not 300% increase like these fake leaks say... They got tricked by rdna 3 dual channel saying it's 33 lmao yea cause they will put a 4070 super 600$ btw into a most likely 500 dollar console lmaooo delusional idiots

[@arnaud.lancelot]

Very interesting comments. I was willing to go for the ps5 PRO to run GTA 6 without any compromises. But if the price gap is too large, I might just stick to the original ps5 as well. Can t wait for the test.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

A Pro will not run GTA 6 without compromise.

[@arnaud.lancelot]

@@fcukugimmeausername Ha but we don t know that yet, right? Let s see the test when or if the hardware is out. But according to the leaks, the ps5 pro would be a serious upgrade. So still curious about fps / ray tracing and so on.

[@kenroyforrester156]

​@arnaud.lancelot that's not a serious upgrade 10% faster gpu isn't much

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@fcukugimmeausername thats a strong statement considering the PS5 Pro isn't even officially announced, yet alone its actual real specs _IF_ it is real. Clearly you're team Xbox/PC with a comment like that.

[@Hahahanoyes]

Cpu’s only help with extremely high frame rates. They’re trying to get 4k 60fps or upscaled ray tracing 60fps. Most console gamers play on televisions that are max 120fps. Zen 2 is good enough for sub 120fps rendering. Zen 4 barely helps when the gpu is the bottleneck and with amd ray tracing, thats always the bottleneck

[@Mopantsu]

I dunno about that. Jedi Survivor has problems (stuttering on Koboh for instance) due to a weak CPU from what I gather. Raytracing leans quite a bit on the CPU. Nvidia overcomes this with Tensor cores using DLSS which is why AMD GPU's are weak in RT.

[@lovmn38]

I got a new ps5 spider man digital edition for $400 I love it and that’s it not gonna buy a ps5 pro or ps6 until some AAA games runs on ps6 only 😂

[@Crashed131963]

Mistake. I just bought Horizon Forbidden West and Jedi Survivor for $10 each from a Pawn shop's used game disc bargain Bin . PS store still wants $50 for RDR2 a old game game I see for $7 in a bargain bins all the time .

[@wantedyou2346]

Don't forget the power of GTA 6 and it being exclusive for consoles in the beginning, Pro version will sell like hotcakes if they can launch it along with GTA6 RELEASE and if they have enough stock in hand!

[@philipberlanda]

I think if you will regret getting the ps5 pro then yes, wait. We don't know what the price will be. Also its hard to know if ps5 pros will be scalped. They weren't in suoer demand last midgen refresh. I have a theory that it will be hard to get any console when gta 6 comes out. You might be lucky if you can get one this holiday season. But I feel like it's game over when gta 6 comes out. It might even be hard to find used current gen consoles and the prices might get jacked up due to demand. I got a series x 2 years ago. I'm honestly happy with what I have. I don't need a midgen console. I don't see a reason to upgrade until games no longer run in current gen hardware.

[@seethruhead7119]

I’ve already got the latest rtx. Don’t have a ps5 tho. It didn’t deliver a gameplay experience worth buying imo. But I will buy the ps5 pro as soon as it’s available.

[@MR.POWOFFICIALCHANNEL]

I have a PS5 and I will buy PS5 Pro. Like I did on the PS4 generation 👍

[@kenroyforrester156]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tashriquekarriem8865]

Let’s face it everyone’s getting the ps5 pro 😂

[@Crashed131963]

There is a reason the XBox-S outsells the XBox-X. Casual gamers just want to play new games for as little money as possible .

[@TheInsideVideo]

The question for me is whether to get the Pro or wait for the PS6. I'm leaning towards the latter as I have a jailbroken PS4 and dozens of titles yet to be played. I think I have plenty of material to pass the next few years without an upgrade.

[@michaeljohn2826]

Yeah sounds reasonable

[@craigsampson3386]

If you're tight with money then theres no harm in waiting.

[@kamilciura7953]

Release of PS5 Pro will increase the audience. Simply because people who will upgrade to Pro would most likely sell their older consoles. There is no price decrease this generation, so for many people grabbing a second hand base PS5 will be the only option if they cannot afford console at RRP. And what is the budget option to get a bunch of games for your console, to try out? PS+ 2nd or 3rd tier. There you go, profit.

[@seethruhead7119]

Definitely wait.

[@Jack_BT-7274]

The only PS5 I’ve seen out in the wild was mine when I traded it in to get a steam deck

[@Steelix371]

Yeah they should have waited to talk about the spec leaks instead of speaking on outdated information

[@tr1p1ea]

Just exactly how many videos are DF going to make this week about the same thing?

[@mr.b1613]

I'd say, if you have a 4K TV get the Pro

[@Crashed131963]

Do they even sell a TV thats is below 4k anymore?

[@NightWanderer31415]

Slightly related: I noticed that PS5 physical discs come out really, really, really warm after playing... I don't recall this being the case before the last firmware update, anybody else having this issue?

[@wakaflockaproject]

Not noticed, I'll be on the look out

[@NightWanderer31415]

​​@@wakaflockaproject I bought an infrared thermometer, and can confirm that PS5 discs come out at 42 Celsius / 107.6 Fahrenheit after playing a PS5 game for about an hour. Edit: whether that's normal or not, I have no idea...

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

If i was looking for a ps5 and the pro was coming, i would wait for the pro. Idc that i dont have any games, im not gonna buy 2 eventually.. interesting how oliver mentions he would be exicted for the ps5 pro because certain games like ff7 remake and their resolution, when you know damn well its coming to pc and he has a pc.

[@jkidd7608]

Absolutely wait

[@tr1p1ea]

I'd be interested to see if DF would make a game?

[@wakyadjaeger1694]

If it wasn't about the pro rumor i would have the slim by now.😅

[@pedjanedeljkovic7021]

Sold my ps5, cheers.

[@kenroyforrester156]

Cool?

[@JuanSinMiedo441]

you're crazy and you know it

[@matthewmontgomery7764]

Why not wait for an actual announcement I have both consoles and I wouldn’t upgrade until new hardware is actually available

[@ProudBostonian]

Why would you do that?

[@Wiiillllson151]

Xbots an PC guys are puckering at the Ps5 pro so have to come up with dribble like this!