PS5 Pro GPU Specs: Good Enough To Make A Difference vs Vanilla PS5?

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[@zerus4435]

Majority of PC gamers still play on 1080p in 2024 per steam, however all of them bad mouth new consoles like they own the rtx 4090.😂😂

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Majority of console gamers still game with controllers 😂

[@Etheral101]

​@@fcukugimmeausernameWell duh. Of course they do.

[@NxtDoc1851]

Uh, yeah. I can relax in a recliner. I also get feedback during my gameplay. Sure i don't have 100 keys, but I am also not trying to type​a thesis. @fcukugimmeausername

[@fcukugimmeausername]

​@@getyaphinsupcontrollers 😂 I'm dying here 😅

[@stanleysmith7551]

True. I own a 3070Ti yet I still game at 1080p for that sweet 144 fps.

[@SchwarzieJSY]

I have a PS5 box here that has an 8k sticker on it, non of sony's PS marketing can be taken seriously.

[@xacvhFAs]

Yes I’m looking at mine and right beside the 8K there is a 4K/120FPS and HDR😂 not falling ever again for their bs marketing.

[@CorbettK42]

Sad thing is it probably worked on some people I had to talk a friend down from buying an 8k TV when he bought the PS5

[@ilikefartjokes]

I’m always trying to tell people that the highest end PCs can’t even do it. What makes them think a system with 6 year old tech inside can. Lol

[@alvallac2171]

*it. None

[@randyrrs7028]

4K gaming was a lie, glad I'm still gaming on my old 1080p tv. 4K tv owners punching the air right now

[@S3RAVA3LM]

We want 60fps. 1440p is fine. 60 frames a must. Performance quality is the necessity.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

1440p isn't fine. 1620p should be a norm.

[@24-gt5kp]

If the game can run at 1080p on ps 5 at 60 fps, it will be 4k at 60 on the ps5 pro with more raytracing on top. All thanks to 2-4 x rt and 45% more gpu horses power, but most importantly, the pssr that can upscale from 1080p to 4k far better than fsr.

[@arsoul3591]

@@24-gt5kpyou haven't even seen it in action lmao

[@24-gt5kp]

@@arsoul3591 the specs speak for it itself

[@arsoul3591]

@@24-gt5kp the specs don't speak for how good or bad PSSR is and you're jumping to praise it already lol

[@ruialex314]

I still don’t get how they did so much with the ps4 and ps4 pro while they were so weak and this console generation we feel like we barely explored it and now we need a pro? I feel like we need to drop previous gen consoles once and for all and just make exclusive games for current gen

[@60weHoodsta]

I still don't get how this is a issue for people who won't get the console 😂 If you have a PS5 and are happy with it, why do upset that others get to have another option. It's not hurting you. Now I understand the hate from Xbox fanboys

[@mza4739]

1080p, 30fps, and no ray tracing was basically what PS4 gen was. 1080p to 1440p is a big increase in resources, nevermind 1080p to 4k. 30fps to 60fps is also a big jump. Also, having ray tracing is unbelievably taxing.

[@ruialex314]

@@60weHoodsta it’s an issue because it makes devs lazier and not optimizing games instead of looking for smart solutions like they did in the ps4 era

[@h.i.mcdunnough9421]

Look at death stranding 2. Fully next gen and it looks jaw dropping and we haven't even seen pro footage just base ps5.

[@FreeloaderUK]

Yes makes a huge difference- trying to get consoles to run 4K on what is essentially 2018-era PC hardware is a huge challenge ​@mza4739

[@christophertavares6544]

Will it have fidelity mode at 60 FPS? That's all I wanted to know

[@alphacompton]

Man I just want 1440p 60 fps. A lot of launch titles gave that, sometimes 4K 60. 1080p doesnt look great on a 4K TV and 30fps without motion smoothing isnt great on an OLED TV either. I'm just asking Sony for the bare mimimum to have a decent gaming experience.

[@revengefulsouls5201]

@Greymatter-to3th I highly doubt the ps5 pro will even run gta 6 above 30fps

[@lucodeath]

You need a pc

[@Ben256MB]

Buy a PC with a rtx 4080super and stop comparing lol !!

[@knightsouls]

It feels like we're getting further from that with worse image quality as it goes on...

[@revengefulsouls5201]

@@Ben256MB too expensive

[@fcukugimmeausername]

10:23 What kind of facial expression is that Alex? lmao

[@greenmile66]

Let us wait and see what the performance will be when it releases and they compare some pro optimized games.

[@michaelkaminski84]

The PS4 Pro added HDR and 4K support, keep in mind, so even if no games were actually optimized beyond these built-in features, that's a big upgrade just right there. Most people were just starting to buy 4K HDR televisions at that time, so there was added value.

[@24-gt5kp]

God of war ps4 pro hdr 4k on a compressed KZbin (hdr 1440p because my internet is bad) looked a lot better (I mean a lot) than it did running natively with hdr on my ps4 amuture. When I reply it on ps5 with 60 fps 4k my brother thought it was a next gen exclusive. Damn!

[@michaelmonstar4276]

AND it got an updated SATA-interface, which could take more advantage of an SSD. Perhaps that doesn't affect "performance" in games necessarily, but it definitely helps reduce loading-times, both for pre-loading as well ass just loading in assets on the fly. Plus of course other responsiveness as well as writing files. - I just wish an SSD was standard for the PS4 Pro, which would'be been perfect. But it was still a time that it would've been too expensive. - It also doesn't help that they literally included one of the slowest HDDs they could come up with. They definitely cut costs right there. - I feel bad for anyone who paid a premium price for a PS4 Pro and dealt with that HDD, waiting forever for games to load at least. - I got one very late and thus at a good discount, but put some money towards a good enough SSD (then just throwing the HDD in the pile of backup-drives), which was well worth it.

[@trs8696]

base ps4 had hdr

[@24-gt5kp]

@trs8696 yes.

[@quaz1moto241]

@@trs8696 Did it really? I have a launch PS4 and I couldn't make use of HDR for KH3. PC release sorted that for me :(

[@Nintenboy01]

I really hope the upscaling is good because otherwise they really should have gone down to the 4nm or 5nm node and made something more efficient. But I guess they also figured anything stronger than 7800 XT-level performance would get bottlenecked in too many scenarios by the Zen 2 CPU.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

They should just go to the 1nm node straight away and implement two CPUs and GPUs, double the memory and include a 4TB PCIe Gen5 SSD. - It's fn obvious!

[@Nintenboy01]

@@michaelmonstar4276 I just feel it was a bit dumb to stay at 6nm which isn't much better than the 7nm the PS5 launched with back in 2020. PS4 Slim and Pro went from 28nm to 16nm

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native

[@mikew1080]

@@michaelmonstar4276 then it would be out of reach for most on the cost front. Smaller nodes processes won't happen until the next generational leap.

[@ultrabear1583]

​@@Nintenboy01doubt it, in no way developers and studios will mak e games just for ps5pro, majority of the markets are still within ps5 era hardwares, this is mostly going to be a fedality upgrade for exclusive games on performance mode 😅

[@boisvatar]

Very informative, guys ! 👍🏼

[@alvallac2171]

*guys!

[@pgr3290]

Why wouldn't it be on TMSC N4P? That's more likely. It would definitely keep the Pro's TDP within the typical ~200w window or thereabouts.

[@deheavon6670]

Because the newer nodes are more expensive, significantly so. Same reason Nvidia isn't using N3 and the Switch 2 is staying in the jurassic 8 nm node. Only high-end smartphones running small chips at lower frequencies go for the cutting-edge nowadays.

[@pgr3290]

@@deheavon6670 Nvidia WILL use TSMC 3nm. There's no reason to think that PS5 Pro wouldn't use at least 5nm. Nvidia Lovelace has been on it since September 2022, with the more mainstream cards since April 2023. By the end of 2024 TSMC 5nm will have been mainstream for 18 months, and the latest high end Nvidia cards will likely launch towards the end of this year on aforementioned 3nm. All signs point to production capacity and cost being adequate for at least 5nm. Citing cost as the reason makes sense for 3nm, but not for 5nm or even 4nm. Depending on what specific process it would be.

[@MB_Tat]

It won't be on 3nm because of cost but it should be on TSMC 5nm. Navi 32 is on 5nm so it seems obvious any PS5 Pro will be on an equivalent or better. Don't know why they keep saying it will be on 6nm. AMD will not redesign the graphics architecture to suit an older inferior process. I guarantee it is 5nm or better.

[@Shehryar89]

Custom AI silicon at 300 TOPS and PSSR along with more raw grunt will differentiate Pro from the base version. $100 more for a stable perf. and Spectral Super Res would be appealing for the core audience. For the casuals base would do

[@shawnchalfant1595]

Sony blowing smoke up our ass!

[@Digitalknifeparty]

If you have a PC capable of playing games at 4K/60fps+ everything max, the PS5 will feel like a second rate gaming experience. This is coming from someone who owns and enjoys the PS5. FF7 Rebirth’s quality mode will make you yearn for something more powerful. The game looks incredible in quality mode, but it’s almost unplayable at 30 fps.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

45% increase in overall performance is pretty big, especially on the GPU side of things.

[@josef689]

It’s not. 4k is twice as demanding as 1080p, for example on PC if you can run a game at 1080p60 you’ll run 4k at around 30fps, so a 45% increase is really not that much

[@Zenzuu]

Don't forget, the new upscaling technique will help facilitate the image quality even if it's not native 4k, that coupled with the increase in GPU power it'll help more games to hit 60fps provided if they're not too CPU bound. @@josef689

[@kumiho1729]

@@josef6894k is literally 4x 1080p.

[@josef689]

@@kumiho1729 I know. But when a pc is running a game at 4k and you drop the resolution to 1080p you don’t get 4x the performance, you only get around 2x the performance.

[@nickrooney6206]

And still not big enough for 60Fps 4K 😂😂

[@dizzle2404]

The GPU is a cut down of a 7800xt. If the suggested clocks stays as it is. Then the power draw is going to be likely 220 - 240. The 7800xt peak wattage is ,270 watts. The ps5 pro will do just fine in terms of power.

[@SecretKey-fj5yjyhjl7oov]

We need a More PS5 Slim in a box form

[@bloomerb4162]

I want my gears of war jump in gfx this gen.

[@adamuser8246]

John, Can the pro run Crysis?

[@Marston-dj3xm]

Yes

[@emmyjaeger22]

So PS5 Pro GPU will be RDNA 3 or RDNA 2? From what I've heard its based on RDNA 3 and the RT cores on RDNA 4?0

[@iitzfizz]

It will be RDNA 3 probably like the new 7000 series GPU's

[@deheavon6670]

RDNA3 but on 6 nm, so basically (95% of) two 7600 XTs duct-tapped together.

[@killermoon635]

It is modified RDNA3 GPU with new RT architecture

[@Unicornpirate]

RNA4 isn't out yet. What you think AMD will give Sony a leg up and have them access to RDNA4 before they release it on desktop? Lol no. It's RDNA3. So probably around 7700xt performance

[@emmyjaeger22]

@@Unicornpirate I meant the RT Cores, not the GPU itself. According to GPU-L, it will be a hybrid between RDNA 3 (rasterization) and RDNA 4 (RT & AI), that's why they call it "RDNA 3.5". Also, the PS5 (RDNA 2) actually came out some days before the first RDNA 2 cards launched on desktop.

[@Kryptix0III]

it’s pretty much 10.3 tflops vs 16.75 tflops (47% difference in tflops lines up with sony’s 45% faster perf claim)

[@ninjason57]

I've never played a ps5 game on "graphics" mode. Only "performance" mode. I can't tell as much difference in graphics than I do in frame rate. If the ps5 pro can combine the two and hit 60fps on the "graphics" mode then it may be worth the upgrade. I can't even take advantage of the 120fps bc I play on my projector which maxes out at 60hz.

[@MrRaitzi]

Based on what presented, they can't do that. They would have to make new mode for that of course and that needs effort. Not just unlocking 60fps mode.

[@Real.384]

U play on a projector 😂 i remember those days when i did the same never looked back once i got a lg cx oled 4k 120hz

[@stevel9627]

this is all i want also. Just give us the same graphical modes running in 60fps and id say its a success

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

If the game has a 40fps unlocked vrr mode, it will hit 60 on the Pro based on the specs

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@@Real.384 With barely anything to saturate those 120 frames... Unless you play fkn Ori all the time.

[@mauroenemy6369]

It is said that the Ps5 pro is upsclaing a game from 1080p to 4k. Rendering in 1080 and pushing the quality to 4k output, looking realy similar to native 4k. Do you guys think that tge Ps5 pro could do the same for 8k? Rendering the game at 4k, like the base model already do, and pushing the image to an almost native. Ending up being sharper than 4k and realy close to the real thing (8k). I realy want the Ps5 pro to have proper fidelity that simulates 8k at 30 fps with the pssr. I have a big 8k tv and I would love to play a fidelity mode Rendering the game at 4k but upsclaing to 8k, with 30 fps and ray tracing. It is to much? I mean, it the base model already have games running at 4k 30 with ray tracing. the pro could not do the same and pushing that 4k to 8k with the pssr? It would be the best for option for me. I don't care about 6Ofps

[@accountteam9859]

The base model is sadly struggling to run the latest games at 1080p with 720p or 900p being base dynamic resolutions and only using RT on shadows, unless you're talking about a PS4 game because then it can run at 4K at 30 FP/s or 1440p at 60 FP/s. PS5 Pro will probably solve this, if they keep the same CPU, there won't be performance improvements on mostly any game but visual quality will be improved so maybe this console will achieve 1440p or 4K. Unless you are talking about an indie game with a very good optimization like "The Tourist", I don't think that it will run at 8K even with PSSR, FSR, XeSS or even DLSS if it had it for some magical reason.

[@kieran9882]

I think 8k is four times the pixels of 4k, so it would have to be four times more powerful than the ps5

[@Crovon1]

Nobody needs or wants 8k

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

@@kieran9882 It wouldn't have to be 4x the PS5. If it takes 2ms to do 1080p to 4K then one assumes it takes 8ms to do 8K. This would mean that at 30FPS (whose frametime would be 33 ms) you could do it but the fram would have to be ready in like 20 ms which is possible given the raw horsepower of the GPU. Then again if the base image is like 1440 P it would likely take less time. If the image is 4k already like many PS5 quality mode games, it then becomes likely. The real issue at that point is who the hell has an 8K TV? Also, if the game is 60FPS, would you be able to even pipe that through a regular HDMI cable?

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@@accountteam9859 What about 1620p, the more logical norm than 1440p.

[@spyro440]

AAA performance on recent released titles is really more then worrying (wrong priorities IHMO). Was hoping, PS5 Pro could buy some time until devs fuck up optimization all over again because of some nice shadows or whatever.

[@gothpunkboy89]

Can you explain how to optimize shadows?

[@alvallac2171]

*more than (comparative) *priorities, IMHO *I was *hoping PS5

[@JoonKimDMD]

If they advertise it as 40% upgrade, it is basically the maximum in theory and it would average 15-20% increase. So if it runs at 1440p and 50-60fps in performance mode, you can expect 60fps. But that is the most you can expect.

[@mgiebus1869]

Asking the wrong question. The real question is where are the games that will use all that potential

[@BCBtheBeastlyBeast]

Most games aren't CPU bottle-necked on PS5, so GPU and upscaling should be looked at as huge wins for the Pro.

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native

[@puntybrah]

the real issue here is the game developers and the publishers pushing deadlines.... the trend we are seeing lately is that either the graphic quality stays the same or it got worse, regardless, the image quality and performance is also dropping when it should be improving with time...

[@OZIPUG1970]

Im not a geek so do you think gt6 could be a 40fps on the pro ? I dont really car as long as it looks good on my 86inch 4k tv.I would love to see a VR mode 😊the vr2 blows my mind playing GT7 but even a single mission in gta6 would be so good.

[@joshuam4993]

No way. VR needs a TON of headroom to run smoothly. There's no way a game as dense and complex as GTA will be able to run in RV. Especially not this weak mid gen refresh

[@OZIPUG1970]

@joshuam4993 I didn't say the whole game and I didn't say it would have vr support I just said a single VR mission would be cool.

[@504cool]

Just give me the upscaling, that’s the selling point for me 👍🏾.

[@DanFarrell98]

Well it’s not going to be any worse, if you’ve got the money you might as well go for it. It’s kinda like upgrading one PC component.

[@FrancisBurns]

Hey so which are the games that are proven without doubt to be so cpu limited that you wont see a fps boost by doubling gpu proccesing power? Keep hearing a few youtubers being disappointed that the cpu wasn't really upgraded between ps5 and ps5 pro, don't really provide a list of games that wont see any improvedments in frame times from upgrading to the ps5 pro.

[@SnakeNL24]

Salty because MS isn’t doing a new console at this time.

[@mitsuhh]

That's because there isn't a game that's CPU limited. Only limited by what the programmers can do. Most modern games still only use 2-3 cpu cores

[@joshuam4993]

Dragons Dogma is one. Elden ring sort of sucked with CPU. Peformance mode on ps5 and series X still sucks. Even on my PC it didn't do so well in Limgrave. Heck, my brand new 4090 laptop still can't fully max out and maintain above 50 fps at 4k. Balldurs gate 3 . The new plagues tale. It got optimizations later but struggled for a while. Gotham Knights.

[@Loterelle]

I think games with raytracing can be more cpu limited

[@arbernuka3679]

@@joshuam4993no thats a trash optimized game.

[@blackwidow7804]

Its enough with the new upscaling in mind.

[@jmtradbr]

It's good to increase resolution.

[@rockcitybwoy9042]

I love how now that Microsoft Xbox got burned people learn what Mark Cerny said about Tera Flops

[@Timmy1979]

Exactly. When the console wars were going on about the ps5 and xsx. Pro Microsoft people were all screaming about how TFLOPS matter.

[@stevel9627]

We know for sure if this was Microsoft launching a pro model these guys would go back to pushing the teraflops line again. As much as i like DF for their analysis breakdowns they are the main reason why fanboys ran with the teraflops line before the generation even began.

[@oppa1319]

Wouldn’t a 45% increase in performance just be 5% less than the PS4 Pro was to the PS4? Meaning the jump will still be worth it?

[@fafski1199]

The PS4 to PS4 Pro saw a 30% increase in CPU speed and around an estimated 130% increase in GPU performance while in games. The PS4 Pro basically allowed either double the frame rates or increased fidelity and/or resolution, over the base PS4. Pretty much, the PS5 to PS5 Pro only looks like a minor upgrade, in comparison to it. In a nutshell it's only around a third the amount gain in both CPU and GPU performance, compared to what we saw between the PS4 and PS4 Pro. The only noteworthy gains of the PS5 Pro is the increase to RT performance (PS5 is gravely lacking, BTW) and the additional AI chipset that allows things like AI upscaling (PSSR). Although the later will likely be somewhat covered by FSR on the base PS5. As for being worth it? That entirely depends on your viewpoint and how willing you are to delve into your pocket!!

[@oppa1319]

@@fafski1199 I see, thanks!

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Pro was 120% faster. This is 45%. The game changer here is PSSR which'll seriously help save gpu resources for better graphics while RT also gets a boost.

[@brucey5585]

The real question is the hard drive space they are going to put in there. It is 2024, are we still getting 1tb of hard drive.😂 i have ff7 remake and rebirth that took 230gb. I have to decide if i should buy dragon dogma 2 on pc or ps5.😂 i have to save that extra space for part 3 of ff7 which could be 100 gb.

[@XW1NT3RXS0LD13RX]

flops measurement between RDNA 1/2 and RDNA 3/4 are different because the shaders are dual issue on RDNA 3 + vs RDNA 1/2 being single issue meaning that 33.5 tflops in rdna 3/4 is the same as 16.75 tflops in rdna 1/2 in single precision, so in actuality it's 16.75 tflops in traditional FLOPS

[@Rman.77]

why power limited? can not they give it a higher power adaptor?

[@michaelmonstar4276]

Yea, cause that's how that works...

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Will not pass certifications then and Sony won't be able to sell it as a video games console.

[@darrellsmith9727]

Soo.. If it's gonna have the same cpu. What is this pro console gonna make better over the base?

[@brucewayne2955]

Did you not watch the video? It's the GPU that's being upgraded while also having it's own super resolution tech

[@OcarinaHero93]

CPU will be 10% better and the 16gb of Ram remain the same but the GPU is where most of the improvements are.

[@lordspalse0062]

Graphics and resolution with 40fps instead of 30fps

[@knightsouls]

@@lordspalse0062 Haha, 60fps target to 60fps locked.

[@lordspalse0062]

@@knightsouls sweet dreams Joseph

[@oblivieon1567]

To: DF crew, Just do the math 33 is more than 10. Kindest Regards, Your long lost friend Atari Jaguar 🤪

[@fafski1199]

AMD pretty much doubled up TFlops with when they bought in double compute units with RDNA 3. However, it didn't relate in any shape or form, of doubling up the performance in games. The gains made where minimal at best. Pretty much a 33TF GPU on RDNA 3 would be equivalent to around a 18TF GPU on RDNA 2 (like the PS5 is using). You aren't going to see anywhere close to triple the performance due to going from 10TF on RDNA 2 to 33TF on RDNA 3 (A 50% increase at best). Also an increase in TFlops doesn't scale proportionly to the performance increase that you will see in games. It also highlights one of the main reasons why using TFlops as a measuring stick, is such a dumb, highly inaccurate and antiquated way to try and measure performance these days. And exactly why most PC techies, ditched it, years ago. BTW, Nvidia also pulled off the same "trick", when they did a very simular thing.

[@oblivieon1567]

@@fafski1199 "Do the math" was Atari Jaguar's marketing campaign during the bit wars. T-Flops is the new Bit. Look it up for a good laugh.

[@dorianrivera254]

But….will it run dragons dogma 2 at 60fps??

[@kennethflaming8606]

no, thats a cpu issue, and pro has same cpu

[@GokuTributeZ]

Even PCs struggle... so it is mainly a developer issue. People focusing too much on bad performances. @@kennethflaming8606

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

It probably can, yes.

[@mauroenemy6369]

From what I've seen about the Ps5 Pro, it seems like it will just improve the resolution or ray tracing of the current performance mode. Do you think the PS5 Pro will just be an upgrade for those who play performance mode on the base ps5? I wish the Ps5 pro had its own fidelity mode at 30 fps but with better graphics than the base model. I wanted something like the difference in graphics on the PC, from high to ultra, 4k on high would be the base ps5 and the ps5 pro being 4k on ultra in comparison. l'm not saying it that would compete with the ultra graphics on pc, but rather, between the two ps5 models, if it is possible a visual diference in that level, between playing everything on high and playing on ultra. For those who prefer fidelity mode at 30 fps, won't be worth buying the PS5 Pro? The only graphical improvement would be 2 to 3x better ray tracing? and for games that may not use ray tracing. Like Ghost, Tsushima 2 or Horizon 3, wouldn't there be an improvement in fidelity mode for these games? The fidelity mode will look the same in both ps5 and the pro model? It would only have a difference in the performance mode? Can you pls explain more about this? I want to understand it better

[@michaelmonstar4276]

tf is this formatting...

[@ncz2146]

It's a pro, not a ps6. Don't expect much. It ain't meant to replace the ps5 but only meant for buyers who are looking for specific spec upgrades. 45% improvement is good enough imo, just as the ps4 pro was a 50% improvement. I don't get why people complain. Seems like the pc spoiled kids. Consoles are here for a cheap alternative and they expect so much smh.

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 7700 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console

[@Hahahanoyes]

45% more raw performance with identical cpu and ram (outside of a small uplift in bandwidth) is really impressive. I think gpu bottlenecks will see a major improvement while overall raw processing means the system wont be doubling 1440p performance because they will run into cpu limitations. All we want is better performance with ray tracing and 60fps.

[@andremables5990]

That's a significant uplift in GPU performance no way around and higher bandwidth plus more ram available for games. This console will be a monster. Don't let PSSP be as good as DLSS2 . We don't even know if the system is capable of frame generation. If these rumors become official official I'm buying.

[@TheIndulgers]

45% uplift 4 years later is NOT impressive. lol What's worse is that the cpu is almost unchanged meaning higher fps will not be achievable. You'll still be playing BG3 with hugs dips and Dragon's Dogma 2 at sub 30fps.

[@mnoise626]

@@TheIndulgers kinda impressive how people watch this channel and still don't know how a bottleneck works. I can put a 4090 in the PS5 and the performance would still suck.

[@mitsuhh]

No, performance wouldn't suck lol. You'd be able to render a lot of games at 8K native.@@mnoise626

[@DiogoSantos-lz5ii]

@@mnoise626explain please then

[@AgoraphobicNews]

So is it worthy buying it for someone who does not have a ps5

[@jazon8877]

Yeah probably

[@SR-fh6ef]

Just want 60 fps on normal 4k tv ,not expensive 4k vrr 120 fps

[@fcukugimmeausername]

This console is going to be so large, it's going to be pretty funny. The memes will flow freely.

[@vulcan4d]

PS5 Pro is like a Ferrari compared to a Mustang, however that Zen2 processor will limit the speedometer to 50mph.

[@daysgone3950]

Instead, the GPU looks good enough to potentially become wastful for that CPU and RAM. 1st party games would still perform superb but can other studios make the best of the hardware?

[@TheViralKontent]

I rocked a Vanilla PS4 from launch date till the end. It did fine and enjoyee every single game in it. I dont find a reason to switch to PS5 Pro from Vanilla PS5 too when it is still going to play the same games. Maybe at 30fps and little bit less details but i have no time to care for that extra grass with multiple enemies on screen hell bent on taking my life.

[@itsmatt517]

Sounds expensive, just what we need

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

"Expect to see some significant advances here" ... 0:11 *Alex' face impression says: "Not in my universe, Rich!"*

[@horrorjunkie96]

so is this head and neck better than XSX? in terms of raw GPU power?

[@gillesfleury2619]

PS5 is almost the same as XSX, so Pro will be also 40 45% faster than XSX for existing games, but AI upscaling and RT capabilities could make image more visibly better for games to come.

[@cadizking8161]

​@@gillesfleury2619 No it's not the same. The PS5 has 36 CU and a T flop of little over 10. The Xbox has 56 CU with 12 Tflop. The problem is developers are developing games on PS5 and porting them to Xbox. Most of the Features on Series X are not utilized.

[@Unicornpirate]

What are you gonna do with that information...brag on Twitter how much more powerful it is compared to a Xbox? You gonna be all over "muh teraflopz"? You think MS is sitting idling around twiddling their thumbs and not have an upgraded console coming?

[@cadizking8161]

@@gillesfleury2619 No they are not the same, the Xbox Series X has 56 CU at 12 Tflops and the Playstation 5 has 36 CU at a little over 10 Tflops. The issue is that most developers are developing games on PS5 first and then porting to Xbox, so many Xbox features are not utilized.

[@cadizking8161]

@@gillesfleury2619 No they are not the same, the Xbox Series X has 56 CU at 12 Teraflops and the PlayStation 5 has 36 CU at a little over 10 Teraflops.

[@ncz2146]

It's a pro, not a ps6. Don't expect much. It ain't meant to replace the ps5 but only meant for buyers who are looking for specific spec upgrades. 45% improvement is good enough imo, just as the ps4 pro was a 50% improvement. I don't get why people complain. Seems like the pc spoiled kids. Consoles are here for a cheap alternative and they expect so much smh.

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 7700 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console

[@AgentRupal]

It looks like 7700XT in ps5 pro.

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native

[@abeerhassan97]

A PS5 ultra will also be launched along with the pro one.

[@MrRaitzi]

Problem is that power is too low to have devs just unlock 60fps for graphics mode. They would need to reprogram all games. Complete waste likely thinking buying new console.

[@joshuam4993]

if they can update at the very least ALL The most popular sony exclusives, and a few of the bigger third party titles. Good enough for me. And/or just unlock framerate for the others and give a little warning "may be unstable"

[@benchandler7007]

For people saying "especially if GTA won't run 60 fps on the Pro" Digital Foundry is saying, IF there isn't a 60 fps option for PS5, dont expect it to be able to brute force its way from 30 fps to 60 fps. Come on man lol If there is a 60 fps mode, the Pro will run it at a higher resolution. If there is only a 30 fps mode, it will look much better/higher resolution. One of the producers already said they were confident there would be a 60 fps mode for base ps5. Use common sense, folks

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

Its gonna be funny when it turns out that the Base PS5/Xbox Series X has a 60FPS mode. People are gonna look so damn stupid.

[@zerus4435]

@@mitchelljenkins4815 PC Gamers will look stupid, yes.

[@SPG8989]

your jealousy is showing @@zerus4435

[@tristman8413]

It's funny because when I upgraded my sons pc from a 2080 to a 3080 he got more than 30 extra fps lol

[@gillesfleury2619]

From what? The upgrade here is a little smaller but quite similar.

[@MrLuizsaluti]

Lol, people have like 5% grasp of how computer parts actually work@@gillesfleury2619

[@michaelmonstar4276]

On Fortnite...

[@SPG8989]

i hope that kid isnt as stupid as you

[@TheDiabolo1986]

45%? Wow. Im all in. Make it 599 and i Buy IT

[@jamesrobertson4605]

I want this I want that lol. I’m a 80s kid, I grew up on Frogger and Dig Dug! Looking at today’s consoles and you lot just don’t know how good you have it!

[@cyberrunner6529]

Same thing we will tell our kids and the cycle shall continue until inevitably we kill ourselves with nuclear war or climate change just jokin

[@nathaniliescutotherescue6047]

Just because you had it bad doesn't mean people should put aside their hopes and desires for the current generation.

[@jamesrobertson4605]

@@nathaniliescutotherescue6047 Who’s saying I had it bad? At the time it was the greatest thing since sliced bread! Technology is forever progressing and that is the beauty of it, people just need to relax.

[@KaiSchSp]

I am super excited for the pro. Looking like a fun little machine

[@kenroyforrester156]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@KaiSchSp]

@@kenroyforrester156 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕

[@Real.384]

​@@kenroyforrester156what

[@jeang7088]

Is Alex a 6 on the Kinsey scale ?

[@GinoBrand5]

It will me more or less be how PS4 to PS4pro was. You’ll be okay without an upgrade, expect for those games that are just so horribly optimized they are relying on the brute raw force of the hardware to yield good performance.

[@user-ub7ld4so5n]

stupid that they put zen2 instead of zen4

[@lorencdedaj7542]

We dont need RT. Focus more on decent res and fps. Leave RT for the PC ❤

[@TheBeanfinite]

i don't think 45% is enough to sell that many units, but PSSR could make up for it.

[@revengefulsouls5201]

I wonder if pssr will have frame generation for gta 6

[@mitchelljenkins4815]

@@revengefulsouls5201 Great question nd its looking more a more like it will. This is based on AMD's new information about FSR 3.1 which looks like it is the base for PSSR.

[@nicane-9966]

would be weird pssr not working in the original ps5 in fact they will need it to extend basic ps5 span.

[@revengefulsouls5201]

@@nicane-9966 there’s no point of the pro model if it doesn’t have something thats worth buying for it and only keeping pssr for the pro model will actually make sales for the pro console

[@nicane-9966]

@@revengefulsouls5201 being 45% faster allowing likely higher resolutions and FPS is not good enough already?? the pssr is an upscaler to get more performance, it wont enhance the picture quality only the fps, there is a reason why you only use upscalers when you dont get a good enough experience because it makes your game looks WORSE not better, normally fsr and other upscalers are used by lower tier hardware... if youve got good hardware you shouldnt be using upscalers to begin with, frame gen is a different thing but this is not frame gen.

[@BluesFanUK_]

I'll probably buy it, I spend similar money upgrading my phone every 3-4 years. Justifiable if devs are also going to patch their games to provide an added boost. 30fps also looks like hot shit on an OLED without VRR.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

It's a huge jump, and Ray tracing is 3-4x faster apparently too. Basically you'll be able to play more games at 60fps with more effects and more of them at 4k too. Not that I need that, 1440p is what I use. Getting the PS5 pro!

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro would need double performance or more, best bet for the jump in performance is an equivalent as good as a 7700XT or 7800XT with FSR3 then youre running everything at 60fps. Jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the gpu but if using FSR you would upscale to 4K and probably hit 60 on some games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native

[@kostasbousbouras2654]

PS5 Pro is a beast technically speaking. The real question here is what the developers will do? will they try to use that extra horsepower or they won't care?....

[@TimDespairBear11]

I’m not trying to rain on the ps5 pro parade but I genuinely have little interest in it. I just want new PS5 games.

[@fourtii8707]

Ps5 pro GPU is basically a 2080ti which is good for 60fps 1440p high settings no RT on any triple A game

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 7700 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console

[@Mopantsu]

The CPU is disappointing. I thought they would at least upgrade the CPU to a 3000 series if not a 5000 series.

[@TheAlderFalder]

I don‘t care about ray tracing even one bit. I don‘t notice its presence or absence for that matter.

[@AssailantLF]

I love sacrificing half of my framerate so that lighting is marginally better with nice reflections

[@tomchudomchu]

I think PS5 has reached its sales peak and they introduce PS5 Pro to dampen sale decline with the hardcore double dippin.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

That's just how that goes... People are acting like new stuff is happening, just because it's discussed on the internet more than before (and also new kiddos arriving on the scene that never have seen this stuff happen). - Same happened with PS4 its Pro, as well as PS3 and its Slim.

[@InternetListener]

No. Next question, please.

[@driftymartin]

Maybe programmers just aren't skilled enough. GoT loads from main menu to game in like 2 seconds Forbidden West just looks amazing in 60 fps. Hardware and the game engine is one thing, the other is game designers skills.

[@Michael-zn9rn]

Forget the performance. Where are the games, like the ps2 or ps3 had??

[@GokuTributeZ]

What? You find many great games on PS5 + all PS4 titles. Are you a casual gamer?

[@SimonLacey-MySleekDesigns]

I'll clean up my PS5 reset it then sell it for 450 with two controllers. I'll put that towards my PS5 Pro. Simple.

[@redscorpion9325]

New PS5 Slim with COD Bundle and PS5 Slim Spiderman Bundle is $450 each but good luck selling your PS5 with 2 Controllers

[@SimonLacey-MySleekDesigns]

@@redscorpion9325 you'd be surprised. I sold my PS4 pro with two controllers and one game for 400 when I got my PS5.

[@arcadeutopia3035]

Sony love to exaggerate. But I will be buying this day one to experience GTA6 in optimised settings ❤😂🎉

[@wagnerpaivafernandes]

It's so confusing

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@Greymatter-to3th Probably, in some configuration. They'll probably have to lower the resolution, or vary it at least. And then there will be help of upscaling to keep performance up. - It could be around 60fps, with variations, because the game will of course be very inconsistent in its environments and events, as usual. - It also depends how well they optimize it. But then, they've learned a lot from dealing with GTA5 and RDR2, or at least I hope so... - I don't think it will be bad at least, cause that would be a mistake. They will probably botch the PC-port, though...

[@Karlenk0]

This is the generation that is the less in need of pro consoles

[@robertorossi4361]

Don't understand what you mean with "you don't actually get 3 times the perf". I would argue in some cases you most likely will. Of course it depends a lot on how complicated graphic's wise the game is, but if you take games that aren't "that" cpu heavy (RT aside obviously) you should be able to get at least close to 3 times the perf (at the same resolution of course).

[@fosterfostan5593]

Bataglia is a 🤡 who thinks a console to actually good it needs to have 2000$ pc specs 😂😂😂😂

[@ShadyPlatinum777]

💯

[@rinkumultani6515]

Listen to Theselius clowns WHO Said series x 2 lite tflopa Will pit ps5 Down lol not ps5 PRO got 3 timmes the tflops and they not amazed

[@Gahttz]

Repost? I feel like I watched this already

[@romxxii]

it's from a longer DF Direct.

[@NxtDoc1851]

If I dont get Native 4K, at 60FPS then I don't see the point.

[@Sam-fq5qu]

Not even the PS6 will give you native 4K 60FPS in demanding games with RT lmao.

[@brucewayne2955]

Dude. Just give me 120 fps 1440p for every game. 4k not really a big deal honestly

[@tristman8413]

​@Sam-fq5qu are you a time traveler?

[@kewinabea5439]

You sure about that?​@@Sam-fq5qu

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

@@tristman8413 you don't need to be, to know what they said is true

[@hectorj.romanp.]

Of course, it's the same CPU because it's a mid-gen refresh (like the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X). A lot of crying and entitled babies asking for Zen 3 or Zen 4 and keeping the same MSRP.

[@knightsouls]

Idk, I think I'm just going to get a 4060/4070 Desktop, keep the PS5, maybe get a 6 if things improve. It started slowly, but with some great work, Demon Souls, Horizon, but it feels like the quality has declined... My RTX2050 Laptop can run some games better than the PS5, Baldurs Gate 3, Lies of P..and it's not because the PS5 is too weak for those games, people just aren't bothering to optimise specifically for it..

[@Real.384]

Dude honestly just save up abit more and get a 4080 super or 4090. My 4080 gets native 4k 120fps in almost every shooter game

[@randyrrs7028]

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as a 7700 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console

[@billbeis7691]

The problem with this gen is not the power , its the quality of games ... In no point i was forced to make a pc to play a game like the witcher 3 back in 2013 or soon after that the gta5 . Im ok with the ps5 , there is no need to upgrade and play garbage aaa titles like these of today .

[@Etheral101]

Well it is a ps5 pro not a ps6. Jump isnt going to be massive

[@mza4739]

Exactly. Some people are expecting a generational leap, when this is only a mid-gen refresh.

[@L_A_C_K_I_N_G]

@@mza4739 There's literally no upgrades to the cpu, a cpu that is the bottleneck for the standard ps5. Not only is the 10% overclock is completely worthless, but when that 10% is used, the gpu is downclocked, which is just such a laughable thing they got going. This upgrade is beyond pathetic, and is specially crafted to milk the clueless dudebro playing Warzon, the ones that don't know nor understand anything, and just buy what's heavily marketed to them lmao. This is a fucking ripoff.

[@a-animal1206]

​@@L_A_C_K_I_N_Gthat's exactly the audience they will have buying what makes me laugh is they think they are actually getting a 33 tflop console

[@L_A_C_K_I_N_G]

@@a-animal1206 Fucking laughable, but a nice meme non the less lmao.

[@mza4739]

@@L_A_C_K_I_N_G Calm down dude, it's not that serious.

[@hotdogmanful]

I just want 1080p 60hz on these consoles lol

[@Real.384]

Buddy these console do 1440 120fps on most games and 4k 60fps upscaled. But still a 4080 is way better i get 120 fps at native 4k

[@hotdogmanful]

@Real.384 Yeah, most games, not all of them. Starfield is a huge one that pissed me off. Ran like absolute trash on pc at 1080p with a 3080ti, I tried it on series x, and it was an awful experience.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@@Real.384 They do not. Stop lying.

[@michaelmonstar4276]

@@hotdogmanful Maybe you configured your PC wrong, cause I ran it fine at 1600p with a 6950XT (which is equivalent to the 3080Ti apparently). - Or you just tried to run the game at Ultra or some dumb move like that...

[@hugohserrano]

Once I heard same shit cpu it was DOA for me

[@michaelmonstar4276]

It didn't arrive yet, so you don't know shit.

[@quezcatol]

3k 60fps would be good enoough for most of us. we who play games, and just doesnt look at textures 24/7 to critic.

[@satellite964]

Good Enough? No, will people still buy ? Yeah.

[@TheIndulgers]

The 4 years later n the ps5 pro is a measly 35% faster on the gpu, and probably

[@armanromana1580]

its not sony its the industry at a whole. in 2016 16 nm was a dirt cheap node. 5 and 3 nm are still really expensive which makes it had for sony to add more performance because they have to use a 6nm node.

[@dorintony]

Uuuu another old hardware sold for "next gen", yupi! Nice!

[@TheEdmaster87]

Using Sony FSR technique ut should be enough for 4k120fps. 4k60fps natively should be possible on the most demanding games with the new CPU+GPU. 30fps should be banned. Rather then get 24-144fps VRR

[@AssailantLF]

What gamers want: good and interesting games What Sony thinks gamers want: 4k 120fps ray tracing, 20 bajillion polygons rendered a second, with load times faster than cartridges ever were. Oh yeah and here's a dozen remasters and remakes of games that you played over 10 years ago, and/or are also on PC

[@billsny9243]

I mean I want that too lol