Buying a New or Used Motorhome? OUR 6 Yr. Experience buying USED. Would we do it over again? | EP278

[@donthatethegame42]

I did NOT see that coming. Your wonderful analysis and strong critical thinking skills are greatly appreciated. Caveat to all of this of course you really have to get that 30% off MSRP :)

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Hey, thanks for watching! The real corker is since this video was produced, we spent another FORTUNE on things that needed to be taken care of. I think if you work with your dealer, expecting 26% to 30% is doable depending on the position of the moon on any given day. Even more that ever now, if I could go back in time, we would have bought NEW, we would have bought for NIRVC and we would have bought the Campers Edge Extended Warranty that NIRVC sells. Trust me,.....I am a lot smarter now than when I first started out. Oh, by the way: We have been in repair at NIRVC-Atlanta since Oct 8th 2023. It is 01--04-2024 today.

[@donthatethegame42]

Thanks for the reply! Have you done a video on RV "Show Price?" I'd love to hear your insight there. @@OurJourneyInMyles

[@Adam_Gray]

The information contained in this video should get a lot of traffic and many thanks 👍🏼because you've done the homework for those in the buyers market. On my 2023 Sprinter 3500XD AWD, I paid for the extended complete five year, 100K miles warranty @ $10, 340. The total cost of just the van was $99K with another $67K for the conversion, including the 600w of solar + 270ah lithium battery. Motorhome, Travel Trailer or Van, the total cost of ownership is staggering, with the only hope being the residual asset sale somewhere down the road is equivalent to enjoyment it gave making the bottom line priceless.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

The residual asset sale down the road times the enjoyment it gave you along the way = priceless memories > Watching TV! Love it Adam

[@brentmcmahon8188]

Top your oil off with Marvel mistre oil Ron for about 10. -15 min to get engine hot it will keep the oil sensor Kleenex so it won’t start and shut every time but this fixed mine.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

We used to use that at work.

[@joebudde3302]

One of your very best episodes.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Joe......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@brucebjornson9135]

Thank you I appreciate you alot I looking and what you said I will buy a new one. Thank you again 😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Tell NIRVC I sent you and you will get FREE POPCORN in the customer lounge!

[@petitchenil]

Worth the new coach smell!!! Honesty you're right on.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Yes,.........in my next lifetime. Then again, I did just but a Mega Millions Lotto ticket today (08-07-2023) !

[@RichardDeAgazio]

Mark, A perfect comparison. I was surprised at the outcome. But it makes sense. Thank you for all your work. Richard and Virginia.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for watching Richard!

[@4LowRocks]

Excellent analysis, Mark. Prior to watching your video, I had contemplated, but never got around to, doing a comparison such as this. An important cost that would be equal to a new or used rig is the value in the experiences you've had vs. not having a rig at all and attempting the same - the differences would be astronomical So many people advise against buying new and even buying a relative antique pre-DEF unit, that it is hard to put aside the noise from those camps. But yeah, someday when it comes time to pack back into a sticks and bricks is the forgotten part of the equation: will a new or used rig better set you up to go back to that lifestyle? GREAT WORK! BRAVO to the OJIM channel - I don't think I've seen this comparison on any other channel!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful guys......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@mr.t3186]

I hear the roads to Alaska are much better and folks say it's a great trip. I look at it as one long out and back which I'm not a fan of. Looking forward to seeing the updates when you go.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

If we do video along the way, they would have to be unedited, without music, or anything fancy. Folks might not like this, and they would look amateurish. We simply won't have the time to work on them because we will be traveling with other folks. Not sure what we are going to do. We may have to go for every other week for a while again. (Each video takes 40 hours work now, believe it or not.)

[@lisareynolds5973]

❤❤i cried watching your mom’s reaction to your pregnancy, and Trent’s family as well. Congratulations! m I’m a grandma in salt lake and in Washington DC! We watch your shows every week and look forward to seeing your family and home grow.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You must have been watching Trent and Allie!

[@jimdinwiddie4837]

One of if not the best video I've seen on the trip wizard. Looking at yours and several others I haven't found one that explains how to import the trip into my GPS. I noticed you have the same Garmin we have any info would be greatly appreciated. Safe travels to you!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

We plan our rest stops in real time with Google Maps along the way. When traveling in the rig, Sue has Garmin, Trip Wizard, Google Maps and some RV Truckers App going at the same time. I follow what she says. I ONLY CONCENTRATE ON DRIVING, and do not have any more bandwidth in my brain to help navigate. We are a team. I never hear anyone importing the Trip Wizard route into any other device. Trip Wizard is its own "GPS router" and you must use it on a separate GPS enabled device. If this is incorrect, someone, please advise! Remember, this is Mark , but Sue is the Navigator.

[@jimdinwiddie4837]

@@OurJourneyInMyles thanks Mark, I have seen and read where you can download the trip out of Trip Wizard on to a SD card and then import it into a Garmin. Just haven't had any luck doing it. Thanks again and keep up the good videos.

[@williamsneedjr4129]

Thanks for sharing your experience with the rv information

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You are welcome William.

[@TScottWoll]

Mark and Sue, your best video ever. Thanks for your honesty and wisdom. Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity in your future travels.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks Scott!

[@walltonmcmillan2989]

Awesome job Mark! Some very good advice was shared. It's funny every one of your bullets is the same that I share as well. Thanks for helping us figure all this out. I will be well informed when it is time to buy. A good topic I think would be good to discuss would be extended warranties, the good and bad, and what to look out for when looking for extended Plans! Again great job! Enjoy your time off. Walt

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

We would talk more about extended warranties if we had one, and had experience with one. We DO KNOW, buying new or used, if I could do it over, I WOULD GET ONE, even though I have no first hand knowledge. Its just what I hear from folks. And it has to be an EXCLUSIONARY POLICY, not an INCLUSIONARY one.

[@1953kenny]

Thanks Mark for going through your analysis. You’ve confirmed to me what I’d been tossing back and forth about purchasing our retirement rig. I’d pretty much landed on getting a new one with warranty, but you’re analysis helped greatly. Thank you so much and love the videos you and Sue put out.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Kenny......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@jhen6690]

thank you for this!! you answered many of my questions that i have been thinking about. Great video and wishing you guys all the best.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thank you!

[@JerseyRV]

Mark, are you going to offer a copy of your spreadsheet so that we may make an educated decision of a new or used class A?

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Yes,.......send an email to [e-mail]

[@grayfox9911]

Very informative.Thanks!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You are welcome.

[@gman77gas]

I am too old and done buying anything used motorized. I am not buying anyones headaches. I have finally learned. Life is short...

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Those are golden words to live by at this point in both our lives.

[@TexasSteele67]

Fantastic data, we're 10 years from retirement but want to buy an entry level class A to have for trade at retirement (and to help us learn the ropes)

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I do wish we had started our RVing life as early as you guys are. Bravo to you,....

[@rjahn3000]

Don't forget an RV inspector will not check anything on the Chassis besides tires, and many inspectors have little knowledge of Diesels or the chassis.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is a really important point, that I never really thought about! What do others do? What have others done.

[@rjahn3000]

At the minimum put a code reader on the engine to see if anything shows up. Best idea would be to have a Diesel Mechanic take a look for sure.@@OurJourneyInMyles

[@stephenpolos1689]

Good video 😊 I'm on the fence about buy a new rig would be Newmar prices are high and not sure about quality of the build not sure seems like manufacturers are cutting corners isn't Newmar owned by wenabago things have changed at Newmar what do you think 🤔😊 safe travels

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Stephen.....it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes. I think things have changed at Newmar, and they probably have been for the better. Winnebago isn't about to ruin its Crown Jewel, and has tons more money to fund projects. People and KZbinrs love to make up stories to get attention and clicks. Stick with Newmar, make sure you buy from a dealer with an awesome reputation, and don't buy just on price. When you need service, which never happens at a convenient time, you will forget about price in a nanosecond.

[@martysmith-BonneyLake]

What brand of tire covers do you have? Do you have a solid shade for the outside of the windshield? My rig will be in PHX this winter and I’m think it will Be a good purchase. BTW- trip to AK you will love!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

We have the BLACK tire covers we use in the "Tire Safety Equipment" section on our Amazon Store. We LOVE the metal hoop spring mounting scheme, they go on super easy. www.amazon.com/shop/ourjourneyinmyles We also have Magna Shades on ALL the front windows. Those are a game changer. You can order them, have them shipped to you, and take them to a NIRVC and they will install them.

[@almendrones_miami7051]

Hello, quick question is your Honda automatic?, I would like to know if you can tow an automatic car with the RV.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Folks should always refer to the free, online PDF documents, that the Family Motorcoach Association compiles (The Dingy Towing Guides) listing all the approved cars and trucks by model and year, that you can pull behind a motorhome. Additionally, it proves notes on any added preparation needed before towing can start for the day. www.fmca.com/motorhome/videos/player/24/38 I would probably NOT RECOMMEND pulling a Honda Odyssey. We are taking a chance,….we have a lot of money on the line with the faceplate mod and Air Force 1 Braking Mod. We paid top dollar to get an extremely low mileage 2013 EX-L, (about 23k miles) so the transmission was in as good a shape as possible. Are you willing to risk this like we have? We corresponded with someone on irv2.com in June of 2017 that was pulling a 5 speed Honda 2013 Odyssey for over 25k miles. This prompted us to “go for it!” He has since (about 1 year ago, had a trans failure.) He maintains he thinks it was NOT related to towing it. He liked his Honda enough he put a rebuilt trans in! We love our Honda and will do the same if we have an issue. WE CHANGE THE TRANS FLUID every year! We needed to pull a garage for our expensive bikes! After many conversations, WE DECIDED TO TAKE A CHANCE, AND PULL ONE AS WELL. We tow a 2013 EX-L Honda Odyssey. This is the latest year model (2013), and highest trim level (EX-L) model you can THEORETICALLY tow. Honda DOES NOT recommend towing it. Yes, I know, you are not supposed to tow it! Honda decided it wasn't worth the warranty claims of damaged Odyssey transmissions when NOT shifted into neutral following the EXACT instructions they provided way back in 2004. (YOU MUST SHIFT INTO NEUTRAL FROM DRIVE ONLY, NOT FROM REVERSE!) They gave up on the Odyssey towing public, because of this Odyssey peculiarity and said you can’t do it. I corresponded with a few other brave souls that had over 20,000 miles towed on their Odysseys before I was man enough to do it. We have PULLED it about 50,000 miles since June of 2017, and we have DRIVEN it 70,000 miles. SO FAR, SO GOOD. The 2013 Honda Odyssey Touring was a 6 speed, and CAN NOT be towed. In 2014, EVERYTHING went to 6 speed. You can search for the Honda Vin number decoder on the internet to make certain your Honda is a 5 speed to see if you would be OK. Any other years you would want to buy, you would want to research the internet and vin # to make sure you are not buying another 6 speed! We liked our (2) 2015 6 speed Honda Odysseys so much, that we sold them to get our (1) 2013 5-speed Odyssey. We are Full Time, and just need one car now. YOU DO NOT NEED ANY ADDED LUBE PUMPS! THIS IS THE TOWING PROCEDURE WE USE,…….EASY AS PIE,….. It has been simplified, directly from the 2004 Honda Odyssey towing instructions, which is the last year they "allowed" towing. The "PV1A Transmission” is the ONLY Honda Odyssey Automatic transmission you can tow, IF YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS from Honda back in 2004 when they allowed the PV1A to be towed. It MUST be this 5-speed transmission. I left in a lot of the Honda legal jargon at the end just for your info. • Start the engine and get it to operating temperature. (I am usually still packing something up.) • Press on the brake pedal. Shift the lever through all the positions (P,R,N,D,2,1). • Then shift up from 1, 2, Shift to D, then to N. DO NOT GO INTO REVERSE! Let the engine run for at least three minutes, then turn off engine. THIS IS THE KEY, AND THE ABSOLUTE ISSUE THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED. SHIFTING TO NEUTRAL FROM REVERSE WILL SET YOU UP FOR PROBLEMS, AND/OR TRANSMISSION FAILURE. How many times you can do it wrong, I don't know. I am absolutely vigilant on this procedure. You must shift to neutral from DRIVE. • Make sure parking brake is OFF. • Leave the ignition switch in ACCESSORY (1) so the steering wheel does not lock. Make sure the radio and any items plugged into the accessory power sockets are turned off, so you do not run down the battery. (Our tow electric cord has a trickle charger line to keep the battery from going dead. We have an SMI Air Force One brake system,.......Honda is around 4,600 lbs. loaded.) If you travel more than 8 hours in one day (including stopping time), you must stop and repeat the above procedures. NOTICE: The steering system can be damaged if the steering wheel is locked. Always leave the key in the ACCESSORY (1) position to prevent damage to the steering system when towing behind another vehicle. CAUTION: Severe automatic transmission damage will occur if the car is shifted from reverse to neutral and then towed with the drive wheels on the ground. NOTICE: Improper towing preparation will damage the transmission. Follow the above procedure exactly. If you cannot shift the transmission or start the engine, your vehicle must be on a flatbed truck or trailer. If you tow a Honda/Acura vehicle with automatic transmission, the fluid must be changed every two years or 30,000 miles, whichever comes first. Although experience has shown that the Honda/Acura transmission and powertrain are capable of being "motorhome towed", America Honda does not assume responsibility for any vehicle damage or liabilities incurred due to the towing device, towing vehicle, lighting hookup, or other towing equipment or towing procedures; any responsibility for these items is assumed by the owner/operator. If you have additional questions, please call American Honda Motor Co. Inc. (National Consumer Affairs) at 800-999-1009. Good luck,…..as I said,…….I would think it is not a good, sound, financial idea,……although we are taking the chance!

[@HaroldDean-u6h]

A lot of information thanks. It helps a lot

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Your welcome,....

[@susane.delaine2711]

Thanks you for settling my argument with Hubby. NEW has the better way to go. I so appreciate your honesty on your experiences and can't wait to meet you guys on the road!!!!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Susane!! ......it's even more convincing in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@dhillman7522]

Excellent research. We bought a new 5th wheel and Duramax diesel truck. We lived in it 2 1/2 years when we bought a property now we just take 2-3 month trips. One suggestion. We did buy a 7 year extended warranty. The dealer wanted about $3300. All I did was call the warranty company they used directly and purchased the next level up for just over $1700, 7 years $100 deductible. If you live in California you will need an out of state address.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Excellent advice D! Thanks,.....

[@SevenBears1]

Great information.... My pro tips..Buy new one model year old. Buy at the end of the quarter. Buy out the door price. Offer multiple dealers the same deal.. I bought a 2018 KZRV 315rkd 5th in March 2019. The list was 72k on sale 62k offered 50k OTD final negotiation ended at 45k OTD... Did not buy extended warranty. Thanks OJM

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

It's good to have a plan, and know your pricing up front. This literally was the first, and only, and maybe last RV we will ever have!

[@SevenBears1]

@@OurJourneyInMyles Hi . I planned two years ahead. I made sure my first RV is my last. Plan included buying the truck well before buying trailer so I wouldn't have two payments.. Thanks for these behind the scenes videos.. OJM

[@mattgreven7615]

Interesting--but I still think it's hypothetical. I may have missed it--but did you calculate your out-of-warranty maintenance costs on the 2018? I think you'd still have some significant costs on the 3-year newer rig.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is why I included the $9500 high quality 7 year extended warranty in the 2018 column of the chart. Best I could do. I didn't want to make stuff up. Most folks I have met that had a name brand, expensive, high quality, EXCLUSIONARY warranty did pretty well with them paying if they let the system work, which is slow and takes time.

[@WILDEBILL308]

Have you been talking to Brett? I have found start battery's at the Freightliner store that were a good deal. Original equipment AGM start batteries for $89.00 each.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I had a conversation with Brett a few years ago about which was the best way to buy an RV. He essentially predicted exactly how it turned out. It just took me 6 years to learn it the hard way. Both ways of buying have their place, for different reasons. A person needs to decide what lane they will take down the same road, while having a much different experience.

[@lindac9347]

wonderful video, I’m glad I saw it! It confirmed our decision to buy a brand new Tiffin, we take delivery next week. Happy travels.🤗

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Wonderful! Enjoy the excitement of the NEW RV SMELL and feel. Get the extended warranty & relax! If you didn't get one, consider the CampersEdge one that NIRVC sells. Now that they are a Tiffin Network Dealer, that's about as much peace of mind as you can get,...... Right now we are at NIRVC Atlanta with my gray tank leak repair. Yikes!

[@deanh7190]

Bought our Tiffin Allegro Bus used 2 years ago. 2015 with less then 15K on the ODO and less than 100 hours on the 10KW Gen. Drove it 1,500 miles back to our base camp and went through absolutely everything. Everything looked fine except the engine air filter which by the vacuum gauge and mileage was fine but it had aged out. Paper ages and they should be replaced every 2-3 years and this one was the original. Don't want to suck paper into the turbo! $$$$ Low mileage is awesome but some things will need replacement due to age as well as miles. After going through everything, it was as good as new. Did we save buying used? Absolutely! Especially since I do my own work. Tires ~ According to Michelin you can safely use their tires for up to 10 years WITH annual inspections. Most RVers use the 5 year rule. Ours are now at year 9 and will be replaced very soon even though they pass inspection. (bus was kept in an interior storage environment and that limited the UV exposure). Monitor your tire pressures with a TPMS set-up. Pricing ~ More typical is 20-25% off MSRP depending on demand. During the covid demand, folks were not getting these discounts but they are now back with the current economic conditions. Batteries ~ Previous owner just replaced all the house batts with good AGMs. I replaced the 2 starting batts with AGMs since they handle vibration better than wet cells and are maintenance free. Myles = 'Magic Carpet' / Our rig =' Seasonal Time Traveler '...as we escape winter and chase 70 🙂 Looking forward to your stainless trim install video 👍

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Hey Dean! Great comment. We are excited about visiting Summit Products, and hope we can film the shop, production, measuring and install process. We will see what happens.

[@bowntown1909]

Being a do it yourselfer is a great way to go. It’s not rocket science, but a guy does need a few tools. Now with all the KZbin do- it- yourself videos on maintenance, it’s especially easy to do most of the work yourself. Even the new ones are gonna require maintenance at some point.

[@jimmartinson4280]

Mark, you out did yourself on this video. A truly thorough analysis covering all costs of ownership that goes way beyond just the cost of a new vs. the cost of a used rig. This was a Brett Davis-esque analysis of new vs. used. He would approve of your analysis. In the end, knowing you and Sue, as two people who know what they are talking about, one can go to the bank on this information.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful James......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes. Comparing this to a Brett Davis analysis made me feel light headed. Mine is like a kindergarteners. His is would be awesome, and like a college thesis paper. I would LOVE to get a full length expose from Brett on this subject. I would pin it as the first comment in this video, like yours is now, until of course we knock it out with Bretts writeup!

[@johnstanczak5075]

I watched this episode again, I totally agree with you on your reasoning. Like you and Sue we were newbies as well but we didn't know how selling our home would be a good idea for us. Hind sight is wonderful, and in 2016 we bought a used 2013.... We flew to Dallas from Milwaukee to look at a used Winnebago that seemed fine by pictures and asked the lady if it was really clean or my wife would go nuts, so we passed, I don't need to describe the unclean parts we found...I found a really clean 2005 Win Journey and my wife choked on the cost but it was immaculate, 1 owner always stored indoor, guy was a fire chief and worked part time at an RV dealer. So waiting in Dallas for a flight back I found our RV in East Troy on line. I kept looking at NewMars that were 1 year old that would have been the ticket for us but a stretch for us. In retrospect I wish we would have gone that route but like you talked about back then would we really like it. So our gas Vista does the basic job . I think your analysis in right on....

[@randyshay7280]

Y’all don’t lack much to the 100000 subscribers mark.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

If all 40,000 subscribers got (1.2500125) friends to subscribe, we would realize the elusive KZbinrs dream,...... getting the coveted "Silver KZbin Play Button" with 100,001 subscribers!!!!! Pass the word on!

[@hughgonzalez8958]

Mark, would you please do a video on how you use the engine brake on your coach. Thanks

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Great suggestion! In three videos, I actually talk about it a little while I am actually driving down the steep grades. Check out episodes #191, #238 & #245. If you only watch one of them, #238 might be the best.

[@domenickruttura5412]

Very interesting you do a great job thanks

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for watching Domenick!

[@richardcampbell9225]

I would also say you keep great records. I too keep records in great detail, e.g., each invoice line item has an entry in my software with part numbers. As I mentioned in my other comment, I have an extended warranty. Even with an exclusionary warranty not everything will be covered. I too use NIRVC exclusively, but I find the hours the warranty allows for diagnostics is often less than the hours required in addition the amount the warranty will cover is sometimes less than the actual cost. Thus, I think the new rig analysis should have some cost for repairs which in my mind based on what you have shared would made buying new versus used about the same. One other thought about assuming the original owner has worked out all the bugs. I think that is often not the case and not tending to one issue could cause a different issue down the road so buyer beware. I guess I'm kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth with these two comments since one would see to support used and the other support buying new. Oh also, in the four years I have had the Canyon Star repairs, excluding consumables and maintenance, e.g., this cost does not include tires, windshields (I'm on number six) or maintenance was just over $55,000.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

LOVE your comment Richard, and agree with it all!

[@AINTEROL]

That is good detailed info. Eye-opening.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for watching!

[@rtoadontheroad]

Excellent break down video! Thx

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@horizon42q]

Excellent review Mark! Every diesel Class A Rver should watch this one. I don’t even want to calculate my costs. I don’t want to know. But my 43,000 miles since 2020 can’t be valued. We did everything and went everywhere, still going. Starting a 6 week fall trip Sept. 4th. Already paid for out 2024 winter trip to Florida, 130 days Jan- Mid April.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Our EXACT sentiment as well. That is why we always tell folks we are not complaining, we are just reporting the facts. We are making memories for the rocking chair days now,......

[@rolltide9173]

Have always enjoyed your channel. Thanks

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Awesome! Thank you! We love, and need to get the encouragement to forge onward!

[@stevecuthbert8856]

I'm now looking to buying a 2014 Tiffin Alleged RED 33 AA. The rig has been meticulously maintained. The price is attractive. I get a feeling now I should get a certified inspector look at it. Now you have given me a lot to think about buying used.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Hey Steve. That is a really old rig in RV Years,........but a great one and a great brand. Protect yourself and spend the dough to get a professional inspection. nrvia.org/locate/

[@FrenchEros]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I couldn't agree more with your final thoughts. Great amazing work in this video.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad you enjoyed it! Hindsight is 20/20!

[@brendanwalsh1675]

Wow! This is the only video to come to this conclusion! But the Chan-Man's detailed thinking and accounting proves it. I'm not sure if we would have changed our minds on our purchase, but we certainly would have thought more about it. A big howdy from Alpine, Wyoming this month as we explore Grand Teton & Yellowstone NP. Happy, safe, & healthy travels! Brendan & Lena

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Hey guys,..........it's even more convincing in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@williambynkoski5633]

Thank you for this video. I don't own an RV - Yet, but I watch a lot of RV videos. This one is very educational and "eye opening" in regards to actual pricing. I have been tossing around the idea of used or new and this is very helpfull. Regards to you and Sue on your travels.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful William!

[@kenmeinke2753]

Mark, Great analysis . I have heard Brett say the same thing, but your breakdown was very good. Say hi ti Sue and we are looking forward to catching up with y'all in a few months

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thank you kindly Ken! I was surprised,...........sort of! I have been living through all the repairs, and I could tell I was finally paying the price for the savings I had in the used pricing when I bought it. Live and Learn,.....

[@billtorrence8102]

that was a lot of detailed work....thanks so much

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful!

[@charliecindycookston8833]

We bought a quality 12 year old Class A for $220.000 less than a comparable new rig. After spending another $30,000 at Freightliner and other reputable shops, we have a unit that is perfect for us. All running gears are new or inspected. Tires and brakes are new. Awnings are new. Best of all we dont need DEF. With the left-over savings, we were able to 'tick it out' with 2,000 watts of solar, 900-amp hours of Lithium and converted refrigerator to residential. Now we optionally camp off grid and save more money. At this price we didn't have to borrow, and we had less than half the taxes. Now three years later, I have no regrets and would never buy new. Let someone else eat the depreciation. I'll admit the repairs were higher than expected. but we are still at half the price of our best price for a new comparable rig.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

If it is working perfect for you than you have rung the bell my friend! Bravo!

[@JWorsham]

Great job on the video. It was amazing that your final list of what you would do again matched exactly what we did just a couple of years ago except the 4369. We ended up going smaller since we were newbies with a 4081. Again great job on all of your video's. We really enjoy watching them.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for such a kind comment guys!

[@kevinmcguire1049]

As always detailed and thoughtful. Thank you for passing on your experience.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is our mission,........thanks for watching.

[@richardcampbell9225]

FYI with regard to the extended warranty. I too purchased my first RV used a 2017 Newmar Canyon Star in 2019. The original extended warranty expired in June 2022. I purchased a new exclusionary policy for two additional years. I was shocked the warranty provider did not inspect the unit which at the time had 96,000 miles on it and the new policy was approximately $6,000. Since then I have had approximately $17,000 worth of repairs covered. So you can purchase high quality extended warranties on used coaches.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You sir made a genius move securing that warranty contract. Bavo for you!

[@sherriweber7105]

Thank you mark so much for this advice and analysis. Great video mark! Glad you did this video! It helped me out. I’m glad you are good doing the math! I wouldn’t be good at doing that part of rving! Lol! Hope you have a great night and week and see you next week!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

My pleasure!

[@tjshaw4441]

Marc this was a very good analysis. For someone like me that has your dream as well. I have been trying to analyze which would be better new or used.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful. When you are actually ready to go, if your still on the fence, contact Angie Morell, Director of Sales, at [e-mail] and set up a call with her to explain the pluses and minuses!

[@allenscott5045]

Great video! Lots of great info

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Allen!

[@bryanseverino3674]

Great info to know for folks who have yet to purchase a rig (like me). Lot of details you shared to help the next person. Thanks for sharing...........

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Bryan......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@jeffsnodgrass9747]

Excellent video as usual. My wife and I are about to embark on our fulltime "Journey" next month. I have experienced replacing many of the items that you mentioned in this video. First thing on our new (to us) '13 Thor Palazzo was rear tires. The front tires had been replaced and were just a year old. The rear tires had a date code of 2012!! That made them 9 years old when we bought the coach. Next was replacing coach batteries with Lithium as the existing batteries were very tired and did not perform well. Our rig had 39k miles on it when we bought it, and after driving 50 miles up the road from where we bought it (individual) it threw a serpentine belt due to a defective idler pulley. Pretty scary to have your rig towed to a repair shop right out of the box. We took advantage of having it in for the repair and had the shop go ahead and perform all of the service items on the engine. The generator had 400+ hours on it when we bought the rig, and I am ashamed to say we didn't get it serviced until over 800 hours, but it never gave us a problem and the oil and coolant that came out of it looked close to new. We leave for Appleton, WI in a couple of days to have the full length slide on the drivers side upgraded to a Vroom system since the Schwintech system failed on us coming back from Alabama in April. Looking forward to hitting the road soon and hope we cross paths with you somewhere down the line!!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

EXCELLENT decision to switch to Vroom! Didn't know you could get that done anywhere but Arizona & Red Bay Alabama!

[@edwardmcgowan5044]

Another great and informative video. Thank you!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Edward!

[@curtisnikel6427]

Great video explaining your experience and thoughts from today. Thank you for taking the time to compile the data. My only comment from all your data is it is very tough to get 30% off MSRP and new RV prices jumped far to quickly, driven by greed.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for sharing! You know, I tend to agree with you Curtis,.......but,..... I have had a number of folks say they have done better than that! Some guy reported in at 33% on a New Aire. RV prices are crazy now. For me, with a used rig, I hope the new prices continue to skyrocket! PS: I forgot to include $5000 in the used column in year #4 when I replaced the Tag and Drive axle tires! Yikes.

[@jeffsteele1295]

Great Video thanks so much. I always look forward to seeing each of your videos.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks Jeff.

[@nevilleabraham4318]

Your analysis was very insightful and detailed. I’m glad I viewed this video, it really put things into perspective. While used isn’t off of the table, new is looking like the way to go. Especially since there are deals to be had. 30% potential discount is an eye opener. Thank you

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad you enjoyed it! I have since spent another ton more on things. If you can swing it, buy new, have a better RVing experience, overall during your years of use and when it's time to sell, you will end up with "nominally" the same out of pocket. There is no such thing as a free lunch on the RV World.

[@b-sanddog4149]

Great job with regards to VO. Have owned 2 A’s and now Super C, and all used. I would never ever buy new. Twice the rig for 70% of the cost. He helps that I do my own work. 😅😅😅😅

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for sharing! Yes,.....if you can fix your own rig, AND you have somewhere to do it, AND you have the time to do it, AND the physical flexibility to do it, AND your not on the road in the middle of nowhere, that is a huge difference! Wish that was me!

[@marandlen]

Great Video. We sold our motorhome in 2020 and has missed the RV life ever since. Now looking for a use ( new is just out of our pickebook now, retired). Where does one find a reputable inspector? Is there any you recommend? We’re actively looking for a rig now!!!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I think this is your best bet. Read about the ones in an area you need, and pick one after you call them and interview them. nrvia.org/

[@peterdekeles.]

Thanks for confirming my future purchase

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Our pleasure Peter!

[@ralphballtrip2214]

I like to thank you for all the videos I was in the Air Force 1966 to1973 station Travis Air Force Base, California had orders go to Alaska purchase open Road 1 ton truck, and here we go got almost to white horse Canadian mounted police pulled us over and told us that our orders got canceled so we decided to go back to Travis Air Force Base so take a lot of videos for me my wife died four years ago. We had good memories in our open road. Backs and a lot of gravel roads and a lot of damage RVs coming back to the US big trucks got too close to them. Thank you again I wish both of you well Kentucky,

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks Ralph. We will have the cameras on for sure. Hope the roads are better!

[@ggallant1]

This is a great analysis, however I see one major flaw. You have put $43k into maintenance/repairs on your current coach. You have $0 on the new coach. To assume you would have no repair and maintenance on the new rig, even when considering the exclusionary warranty, I think is a reach. Maybe I am misunderstanding. New coaches will have trips to the shop as well.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I have found plenty of folks with high quality warranties that have had all issues taken care of. This has happen enough I was OK using that assumption. Additionally, I have zero data personally on a new one. But yes, a slight stretch but guess what? I forgot to include $5000 I spent in year #4 for the Tag and Drive axles in the USED RV column! Yikes! It looks even worse for my poor 2014 Newmar Dutch Star named Myles!

[@Clay-Sport]

I want to thank you for the informative and thoughtful comparison of New vs Used. As we prepare to enter the lifestyle it has been helpful. There is one other consideration that warrants discussion. In looking at the financial aspects of beginning you have to consider the big “what if?”. What if we buy a new coach then don’t like the lifestyle or can’t continue for some other reason after a short period of time, you will sustain a huge loss if buy new. For you, you can compare retrospectively because you have been doing it now for 5+ years. But what if……? I think we are going to look for 1 to 2 year old coach when the time comes.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is a great compromise,........but cover yourself with getting the longest exclusionary extended warranty you can get on the rig being that new. As of today, 09-09-2023 we are looking at having to replace our gray tank,........since you have to remove the fresh water tank to do it, I am going to replace them all. They are 10 year old plastic. This is going to be super expensive,... Episode to follow in late October.

[@KateTrinklein]

Great video! I've been using the app for about a year and after watching your video I have a much better understanding. Now to work planning a cross country trip!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful! If others want to learn how to use RV Trip Wizard, check out our "Step by Step" training tutorial at: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5izm3ykqr1mh6ssi=3DUJclN27V6WnXyJ

[@gailjohnson6670]

Good video and advice. New subscriber. Could you have your sun glasses off when doing a video? Thank you for the video. Blessings to you.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for watching Gail!

[@brentmcmahon8188]

Get you some Battleborn price is a little high but I have mine for 3 yrs and the are so light they weight like 37 pounds and if you watch them only charge up to 80-90 percent and don’t discharge no les than 20 percent and they will be that last batteries you ever buy. Hope that helps nice looking rig .

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Battleborn is high on our list.

[@mohsinsyed144]

8:10 we swapped out our 4 year old AGMs with Bluetooth BMS equipped Lithium phosphate batteries and its a world of difference., and the price if you shop sales is not that much more than high end AGMs, definitely worth the increased price over time

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is great to hear,............we may be heading towards making a lithium video!

[@allanwarmflash4440]

great info

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks AGAIN Allan!

[@randyshay7280]

😅 wow, I thought for a minute there that you and Sue were giving it up and going into an assisted living home!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Well that WILL be an episode someday,..........hoping that happens after we get a KZbin Silver Play button! Need 100k subscribers! Everyone,.....please subscribe!

[@davidherring7287]

If I understand ? The green interstate batteries were not AGM . They were wet cell. And yes they require Distilled water only. If they get ignored they die.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Yes, the second set of batteries the previous owner ruined were the Green Interstate Batteries. I replaced that set with Lifeline AGM.

[@curtisgarr265]

Thank you for this video. Once my wife and I ready to buy, I'll reference this video and other's you and Sue have. I want you to know I'm glad you bought used. The amount of information your channel has given your followers is priceless. Buying new may have been economically better for you, but buying used made us richer!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it has worked out for you guys! I readily admit, my data point is just that. ONE DATA POINT experience, in our unique situation. You can always rely on us reporting in the facts,.....

[@larryoczkowski3493]

Once again, kudos to a most informative session. Your attention to detail and just plain down home manner of presenting the info is appreciated. Until your next video...be well.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you for the kind comment.

[@bryanspayde5681]

I buy my Riggs 20 years old .. drive it for 3. . Then upgrade.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

If I was younger when I was agile and handy, I would probably drive an older rig too. But then again, mine is already 10 years old!

[@babyboy6179]

My only consent about everything after 2012 is the DEF system in the new diesel engines

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I wouldn't let that stop anyone. Get a DEF Head simulator and carry it in case you get unlucky and have a DEF Head failure! Then,..just plug it in, and get back on your way!

[@timgodfrey5738]

Thanks for all of that detail! Did I miss though that you still have to pay off the rest of your loan on the new rig? Don't you still have 4 years left on the loan? Or is that included in your interest paid line?

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Yes,.....you still had the rest of the loan to make good on after selling the rig at market price after the 6 years. I could NOT talk about being upside down on your loan because I would have had to make too many assumptions about pricing that I was not qualified on!

[@jaya8352]

But wait, it seems your math makes sense if you were getting out of the lifestyle, but if you were to now replace it with new again it would be another 100k more than used, no?

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Todays pricing and interest rates would paint another complete story that we are going to let the next channel do in 6 years! I can't believe the pricing now a days! Being retired sure freezes your purchasing power!

[@emberg66]

Thanks much Mark. I've been back and forth on the new used thing. Lots to consider in the video. I hope to get something done this fall - so the video was very timely!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad it was helpful Erik......it's even more convincing now in our case,.......I forgot to include the $5000 in tires I put on the tag and drive axle in year #4. Yikes.

[@bobkatc9368]

You could spend thousands on a new unit to fix it as well. Warranty only covers so much.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Yes, you are correct,......... Right now, Sept 4th 2023 I am now dealing with a grey tank leak. It is cracked in the thinned down area where the frame rails pass thru. I'm thinking I am going to have to replace them all,.....water, black and gray. God only knows at this point what it is going to cost!

[@RD27600]

What a great analyis! I'm very analytical so enjoyed it immensely. I guess where i do still struggle here is the emotional "what if." What if we are wrong and dont like it fulltime. What if we buy wrong. In my mind, it seems as if the less expensive buy protects against that? Definitely gives me more to think about !

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

We just wanted to report in on how our Journey has landed us 6 years down the road, to give our viewers some perspective to make decisions with more facts than we had!

[@RD27600]

@@OurJourneyInMyles And I GREATLY appreciate it !!!

[@hockeynutt9434]

Excellent Vlog!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@robertege4486]

Mark, great video and cost analysis.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks 👍

[@markekberg8371]

Bought a 18 year old Winnie. Only 31k on it. I will have about 3k worth of maint doing it myself. Bought the rig for 65k. We are 400k ahead of new.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You really can save a lot when you are handy!

[@markekberg8371]

@OurJourneyInMyles . You had to jinxs me. Just noticed a coolant leak when I was buttoning up from all my filter and fluid changes. Can't see nothing. Not sure if I will be tackling this one.

[@lararafalco2156]

If you buy new or used you need RV inspection by RV inspector!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That is solid advice,.....

[@johnstanczak5075]

I agree with Jim Martinson below here. You really nailed all the points, and you bought at the right time. You could sell your coach for close to what you paid for it...The point about how we go into a new phase of life not knowing if it going to be agreeable to us, does the romance of this life meet up to the reality? All things considered is the coaches are extremely expensive compared to the "golden years" , even with a30% discount ( these days on a Billy Bobs Motor Coach) and Newmar isn't that deep yet....You have taken care of your coach so well that it will be one of your strongest selling points...I always like what you said in the beginning, we will do this until circumstances dictate otherwise. And you started out young enough on that life curve... We really appreciate all that you do, keep up the good work...Alaska is cool but I would be nervous too, good thing you are not going in a 2024 DutchStar....

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks for the great comment John. I wish I would have started RVing with the family 20 years earlier. Better late than ever. My youngest son bought his second 5th wheel a few months ago! He is 38! I am 71!

[@johnstanczak5075]

Mark, you did such a great job (Sue too...) on this one. It is a serious discussion that couples need to make. Monday morning quarterbacking is so easy, you have to make a decision and go with it. I camped for years but the last 5 to 8 years it has to be self contained, age 73 now, wife 71, 72 next jan. Having to get up and whizz a couple times is not cutting in a tent or tent camper any more, not to mention sleeping on the ground.... Now that prices are to the point that the new price point to acquire new makes it impossible for a lot of working folks.The Thor and Winnebago take overs leave one wondering.... I hope we run into you guys at Barbierres on on the road somewhere one of these days.

[@ericverpeten8503]

Excellent review 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thank you Eric!

[@paulgreen2303]

I'm curious... why do you think that buying a new motorhome would eliminate the purchase of tires, batteries, major yearly service and the cost of breakdowns? You list all those things for your used MH but you show basically zero costs of ownership - other than interest - for a new purchase. I think you need to add at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the costs you've incurred on your used rig into the numbers for the new purchase. I still think buying new wins - but to be fair accounting-wise you need to assume 6 years of those running repair costs to the new purchase side of the ledger. One more benefit of buying new - you don't have to figure out and pay to fix the 3-years of crazy mods and lousy performed repairs the original owners has done during their 3-years or ownership.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Scheduled maintenance was not included in the $42,893 we spent on REPAIRS for the USED RV. The regular maintenance was assumed to be identical between the two RIGS. My Lifeline AGM batteries are fine after 6 years because I took care of them. I am always amazed that some people NEVER check their lead acid battery water levels! The used rig, in June of 2023, of course needed all (8) new tires along the way, having been produced in June of 2013. The 2018 NEW rig is assumed to be sold right before it is the "obvious" tire replacement time. This is what many folks selling used rigs do. Only seasoned RVers would start to look at those 5 year-ish tires as something to keep in mind! The 7 year extended warranty was included in the analysis.

[@paulgreen2303]

@@OurJourneyInMyles Yes, but plenty of things will break after the factory warranty on the new coach that are never covered or paid in full for by a Service Contract. In fact, most wont. Also, each repair that does qualify for ESC coverage will require multiple deductibles to be paid by the owner. It's folly to think running a new MH for 6-yrs wouldn't cost the owner many, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars each year.

[@danbingen4708]

As always, very informative.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thanks Dan.

[@dooganlinn7578]

Don't buy any motorhome..Get a trailer.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

You do have a point! I always tell folks to think long and hard first what will make sense for you in the long run. MH ownership is the highest cost tier.

[@raydill6575]

I didn't see any expense for wearables on new coach, tires, batteries, scheduled maintenance, non of which would be covered under extended warranty.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Scheduled maintenance was not included in the $42,893 we spent on REPAIRS for the USED RV. The regular maintenance was assumed to be identical between the two RIGS. The used rig, in June of 2023, of course needed all (8) new tires along the way, having been produced in June of 2013. The 2018 NEW rig is assumed to be sold right before it is the "obvious" tire replacement time. This is what most folks selling do. Only seasoned RVers would start to look at those 5 year-ish tires as something to keep in mind!

[@raydill6575]

Gotcha, guess I should've paid more attention!

[@louheindel8673]

Thanks fellow Wisnite. I da man

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Always willing to help!

[@lovedadonald.]

Don't you live in a van down by the river !?!?

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

That could be in my future,.....

[@lovedadonald.]

​@@OurJourneyInMylesyeah mine too, I live in the same joe biden mess you live in. Have a good day and thanks for the reply.

[@rvvideoswiththomyt5263]

Love you guys ThomyT

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Thank a lot Thomy!

[@HighOctaneSD]

Yikes, I just bought used! Just kidding, we are going to love our 2009 used Essex, for $117,800 fully serviced oil, coolant, filters on the Engine, generator, and oasis. And brand new tires.

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

If you love your RV and show it,...it will love you,...........sort of.

[@carlal.thompson5393]

...where is the Chan Man???

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

He is diligently working on another episode! Summer is too much fun!

[@carlal.thompson5393]

@@OurJourneyInMyles Oh!!! Of Course!!! Enjoy!!! Maybe you should take a seasonal break like the major networks! Just wanted to make sure you were not on a writers strike!! 😅 No rush! We'll be here! Oxo! 📣 Air Horn 📣 🚌 Air Brakes!!! 🚌

[@ronaldsova2380]

We also are looking to Buy used. I don't think our budget is going to be quite as much as yours was Which kind of eliminates buying new but my question to you is, I also like the idea of having a tag axle Which I know probably limit some of the parks and places you can go in , Knowing what you know now would you still have bought a tag axle. I believe I would like the stability of the rig the weight capacity that can be carried Not mentioning the extra room. We want you to know we always enjoy your videos that are very informative and are really helping us getting ready for the life changing process of going full-time. ( thanks!!! )

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Tag eliminates porpoising, and getting blown around. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. If you are buying Newmar, get 2008 or newer so you have Comfort Drive. 2016 or newer to have the fire door. (Make sure 2016 front axle was upgraded.) Don't worry about too big,.....worry about too small when going Full-Time.

[@steveborchello4744]

Great information!!! We appreciate all the time and effort you put in to make this comparison. We have been back and forth with new and used on a Ventana 4369 - I appreciate this information. Thank you again and safe travels!

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

Hey Steve. Since I made this video I have a SECOND water leak I am dealing with while in Wisconsin. In two unrelated areas.If you can swing it, buy new with a 7 year extended warranty and live your life stress free compared to me. I RV 75% and get my RV fixed the other 25%.

[@thomastheys6681]

That is wonderful the number is that you have displayed with what would be cheaper or watt would be better. I am so happy that I still have a 2007 Monaco 400 horse Cohens 3000 hours in and superior build. Thomyt

[@OurJourneyInMyles]

I am trying to get my rig in shape to be a classic as well!