Buying a USED Hertz Tesla Model 3 EV: Is it worth it?

With all the talk lately of rental car companies, namely Hertz downsizing their EV fleets. We decide to see what's with a former rental/ rideshare car. What condition is the battery in? Are there any deals to be had ? Is a used EV the way to go?
Let's find out!
#electriccar #ev #usedcars #electricvehicle #tesla #model3 #rentalcar #car #carreview #teslamodel3

[@wruiz1450]

I just bought a tesla model 3 sr, from carvana for $24,250 + 4k tax credit, $20,250 with 51k miles, and it was from hertz as well, the car is very clean 👌

[@Ibrahim-hj6mn]

What year is the one you bought?

[@shroomssadow4981]

Didn’t know you get the tax credit for used

[@wruiz1450]

@@Ibrahim-hj6mn 2022

[@wruiz1450]

@shroomssadow4981 as long as it is less than $25k www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-credit

[@Rawrzzz13]

@@shroomssadow4981 www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-credit

[@alanpolse2013]

I enjoy the technical service mode information and information along that line of thought so I can understand the software on the Tesla

[@nissan_skyline]

I just bought a 2023 with 50k miles for like $24,500 from Hertz. It doesn't qualify for the used EV tax credit because it's too new, but I wanted a newer model to take advantage of the Ryzen MCU and the 100k mile/8 year battery warranty. I barely drive since I work from home (I'll probably put like, 5k miles on it annually) so the high mileage doesn't really bother me and the battery is still healthy. Est. range is around 258 as opposed to 270 brand new according the website recurrent. So it worked out for me. Car looks clean inside and out. Came with brand new tires, so I'm happy.

[@John1908-vo1iv]

If you barely drive and work from home you would've been better off keeping your previous IEC car if you had one, rather than getting into high payments and high insurance for a used EV that you don't drive too much

[@evolv.e]

@@John1908-vo1iv depends. If they are in California where gas is incredibly expensive, but even if in a state with “cheap gas” (unless it’s under a buck fifty/gal, it’s too expensive in my opinion), it’s going to be less expensive over time compared to an ICE car still requiring fuel, oil/fluids, sensors, seals, belts, smog, pumps, hoses, and the list goes on and on. There’s far more cost involved keeping an ICE vehicle running properly and costs more over time where as a BEV costs less and less over that same period of time. And then there’s the time itself. Not having to drive to gas stations to fuel up saves far more time than most people realize at first, but once one is used to just fueling up from home and waking up to a full “tank” each day, it doesn’t take long before the thought of having to visit a gas station a couple times a week year after year adds up. And time is money. And if we’re really going to compare apples to apples, even with fewer annual miles driven, for any ICE vehicle to match the performance of a Model 3, it would incur an even higher cost with fuel consumption, maintenance, and insurance, negating even more of that cost difference in between the old ICE-mobile and a far more efficient and less expensive to own and operate BEV.

[@abenbynek]

22s have the ryzen

[@isadorablecan_too9432]

For the tax qualifications assess is 2023 or older why didn’t you get the tax credit?

[@williamrogers1219]

You also have a vehicle that is continuing to get software updates from Tesla and it can run the current versions of Autopilot and FSD if so desired.

[@tommycollier9172]

Thanks for the review

[@daneflanigan]

Super informative, I’m in the market to buy one of these. 😊

[@CasperChicago]

You did an honest and fair review. People need to hear more guys like you (an ICE vehicle mechanic) talk about EVs, because the average person sees an EV as being the unknown. I own a Tesla and you basically explained every thing that the average person needed to know about an EV. What impressed me most is you essentially told us that this is still a car and that is how we should evaluate it's worth. GOOD JOB 👍🏾

[@simplygregsterev]

Thank You for the kind words

[@SirPhire1]

I’m looking at 2021 Model 3 Standard Range Plus Sedan with about 58,000 miles on it from a rental company by me with all the government credits and money saved. Puts it in my price range. This video was really informative. I can’t wait till they say it’s officially for sale. So I can check the service on the screen.

[@sazodada6549]

Great review of this issue. 🤗

[@Kareem-cx4fi]

If i were to take one of those rental teslas, it would have to be the base tesla. Primarily because of that LFP battery pack. Its way more durable and can withstand way more abuse than the normal nca counter part. I would not risk it with the other nca battery types. Realistically i would look at those base models with with less than 60k miles.

[@simplygregsterev]

Same here. I’d buy that car is priced accordingly. As I mentioned in the video though the rebates are good here but you will eat the depreciation. The hertz cars are at the bottoms of the curve if priced correctly. The LFP pack actually started to recover as I was L2 charging at home. But iirc rated range when new was 434km and 100% was 420 Indicated so Tessie was pretty accurate.

[@vasil7410]

Do your mean that Hertz actually rented out LR or Performance versions? No wonder they had lots of repair costs after customer accidents. These are as powerful as the fastest AMG sports cars.

[@simplygregsterev]

@@vasil7410 I’m on holiday now and picked up a Model 3 LR here at Hertz in Ultra Red. The issue isn’t the cars it’s people with no sense of how to drive.

[@evolv.e]

I have 159k on my ten year old 1st gen Model S and it’s still going strong with nearly every charge being done at a Supercharger (grandfathered in for unlimited SC for life). It may help that the battery’s SOC rarely goes outside of the 25-80% range, but still retains 90% of its original range. Many other owners have reported online that they’re only seeing 12% degradation at 200k miles, so I’m not worried at all about driving this another ten years.

[@vasil7410]

@@simplygregsterev Absolutely. The problem is that the anti EV crowd and the Murdoch media turn every story about EVs into some kind of armageddon.

[@alanpolse2013]

I like to know that technical aspects of service mode, and that type of diagnostic terms in order to maintain the Tesla and understand it

[@revamp8835]

As a former Hertz employee, buying a Tesla from Hertz isn't a good idea. Hertz when out out of other vehicle forces rentals on others, including EV "haters" Many of these vehicles are only supercharged, and many return with 1-15% battery left. Plus many of the vehicles have been abused by young drivers who want a fast car, they put on fast acceleration on.

[@josechimal1358]

Thats literally the same on every rental car. People just trash them.

[@89five3five]

The battery still has the 8 year warranty

[@markmd9]

@@89five3five but he left with 74k miles before warranty expires

[@user-fm6ns5nb4j]

@@markmd9 The average "mileage" in Canada is 15,200km (9,444 miles) - so either way he's got 6 years of driving before it's a problem.

[@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763]

The fastest car in the world is always a rental.

[@NonchalantG]

I just bought a 2022 LRDM 96k miles for $15k out the door! Factory warranty on the motor and battery until 120k miles! Battery seems amazing in it!!! I did get a bumper to bumper warranty prorated just to cover myself

[@simplygregsterev]

Great to hear! Thanks for watching

[@evolv.e]

2:50 - my ten-year-old Model S has been nearly exclusively been supercharged during its lifespan, and still retains 90% of its original capacity. With 159k miles and still going strong, I don’t think there’s much to worry about with regards to being supercharged a lot.. especially on a car that is barely a couple years old and one that is designed with a better battery design than my first generation. Many online reports state owners like myself are seeing the same longevity, with only an average of 12% degradation at the 200k mile mark. I’m gonna keep driving my Tesla another decade, and if/when it finally needs a battery, I will have easily more than than paid for it several times over with what I’ve saved not buying gas or doing other ICE related maintenance.

[@simplygregsterev]

Thanks for the info. I love hearing this. I do know for a fact that some ride share Model 3s have had battery replacement already from what some friends who work within the automotive industry but these cars were 3x-4x a day and on the road for 18 hours. I’d have loved to do a battery health test but sadly just didn’t have the time.

[@MrJturner74]

You seem to be missing the point that most of the cars being sold had 80-90k miles put on them in 2 years not 10. They have also had WAY more charge cycles put on the battery.

[@evolv.e]

@@MrJturner74 and you seem to miss point of the comparison and equally important, what those miles driven equate to in terms of actual battery wear. Let’s do some quick math for comparison; (X) amount of battery capacity X range per mi = distance driven = total charges. My 159k vehicle would have twice as many total charges than an equivalent battery that has the same efficiency at half the mileage. - ah, but the Model 3 is far more efficient than my heavier Model S, and therefore travels further per kWh, further reducing the number of total charges needed to travel the same number of miles as my less efficient Model S. Let’s look at the kWh/mi rating for a 2014 Model S P85+ (my car) and compare that to a 2021/22 standard range or long range Model 3. Then divide the number of miles by the range efficiency of each vehicle. In addition to having about a third of charging done, there’s also the factor of time where the Model 3 has 1/4 the age. And that also doesn’t factor that my Model S runs on first gen batteries powering a heavier, less efficient motor, without additional efficiency advantages that the Model 3, such as heat pumps and twice the regenerative braking on their dual motor models (mine is a single motor). All considered, it’s assumptive to state a higher mileage Model 3 example you mentioned has more wear on its battery than my decade old first gen Performance Model S. Exceptions withstanding, I’d be just as if not more comfortable driving a pre owned Hertz Model 3 rental as I would my own Model S. In fact, I have rented several Hertz Model 3’s over the past couple years when flying out of state, and have found no issues with them with regards to charging or range.

[@evolv.e]

@@MrJturner74 and if you think the numeracy of charges equal the total amount of charging, you’d also be mistaken. To help you with your math, three 1/3 SOC charges = 1 full charge. The number of times a battery can be recharged is rated as 1 charge = one full cycle. Plugging in to charge 10%, ten times does not equate to ten charges, but one charge cycle. You can’t make up your own definition of what equates to the numeracy of charges and base degradation on bad mathematics. What you should factor are how often charging is done past 80 or 90% or how often the battery is depleted below 10 or 20% on NMH cells.. but this should be largely disregarded on base model LiFe cells, which many of Hertz rentals were. Simply put, there far less to worry about with regards to battery degradation on these recently built Model 3 Hertz rentals than my 10 year old 1st gen Performance Model S, which I would contend, has been driven harder for many more miles than most renters have driven base Model 3’s. If you owned a decade old Tesla, or have purchased five battery electric vehicles these past ten years, you too would have a better understanding of what equates to degradation and what doesn’t. And my Model S isn’t even the oldest BEV I own. I also have an 11 year old smart electric drive and a 9 year old electric drive that are also on their original batteries with no issues. And those don’t even have anything close to the BMS that Tesla uses. I’m actually thankful that so many people are misinformed or mistaken about battery degradation or mileage on BEV’s, as it means far lower prices and better deals for myself and my family to buy. I’m just here to let you know that you and those that are scared of premature battery degradation only help increase the value of used BEV’s. Those of us who actually know that high mileage or frequent supercharging has much less effect on remaining SOC continue to take advantage of this. Honestly, if you wish to continue to Belice you are correct, it only helps people like me who are more than happy to pay less for what you think is not going to last, then proceed to drive out EV’s for a decade and beyond. I’ve been told that I should prepare to prepare to replace my battery after just a year or two, or after only 20k or 30k miles.. then when I passed this point in time and mileage, many people continued to say, oh, you likely will have your battery fail any day now and prepare to shell out 30k for a new battery, etc.. and so on and so on, every year since I’ve been driving BEV’s. Some were shocked when I reached 5 years of use.. 7 years of use, 10 years of use.. well, what can I say? If you still don’t believe this is true, come over to SoCal and see the vehicles and view their odometers for yourself. Run their VINS in carfax for all I care and check their maintenance history. Seeing is believing. Heck, hop in the passenger seat, and I’ll floor it and you’ll still feel the same acceleration as it has since the day it was made. And you can extrapolate how much range it still has and compare it to its original EPA rated range. Again, the math doesn’t lie. But should you somehow still not be convinced, well, as I said, that only works to my advantage when I and others are able to buy a preowned EV for far less that it should sell for, simply based on unsubstantiated fears. Either way, here’s my response to your post. Take it as fact or not. Or how about checking back in this thread 4 years from now when my oldest EV turns 15.. and please ask me how the original battery is doing. I’m quite confident it will be just fine then, and even beyond 15 years of use.

[@MrJturner74]

@@evolv.e TLDR: I wasn't talking about someone using 10% then recharging, I was talking about having to use a supercharger 2 or 3 times a day because they have depleted the battery driving for UBER or LYFT.

[@gust9464]

Great video. I personally wouldn’t buy from a rental company, but this may fit someone’s budget. Miles aren’t a real concern on a newer Tesla, it’s the latest hardware that counts. Have you ever done the brake burnishing yet on a Tesla? If so is there a video on it?

[@tommorgan1291]

I'm halfway through this presentation and I still don't know how much it will cost. Without that price one has no idea if this EV' is good, bad or fair deal. Hopefully we will find out the price soon!

[@TheFrenchPug]

They're about $22k I saw.

[@YaBoyDave215]

Theres like 700+ on Hertz site for sale right now

[@polska905]

​@@TheFrenchPug22k for a car with less then 80k km warranty

[@TheFrenchPug]

@@polska905 Can you get extended warranties on them?

[@polska905]

@@TheFrenchPug just get a brand new Chevy spark with a manual for under 13k...lol

[@antoinepageau8336]

We’re over 90k on our 2022 LFP (bought new). We did purchase the factory extended warranty to 120k for $2,500 So far it’s the most reliable and economical car we’ve owned. At 25k I would jump on the one in this video.

[@jamesp5301]

yeah. I would expect LFP chemistry should really do fine with lots of supercharging.

[@alicemone]

i been wanted a tesla. after seeing this i want one even moreeeee

[@jamesp5301]

@@alicemone yeah. If you get one off hertz rental definitely get one with LFP

[@alicemone]

@@jamesp5301 for sure. They say LFP batteries are on 2022 Standard range 3/Ys but not long range right?

[@PittsensX]

120k or how many years? Which ever comes first?

[@samr6148]

Very helpful video. Although prices along with some rebates in the US are compelling for new MY's, (for me at least) I was curious what the trade off would be going for Herz rental vehicles being sold. Thanks for sharing!

[@simplygregsterev]

Thanks for watching

[@zerocool4580]

My sister bought a used cheap Hyundia in 2019 with less then 25k miles. It's now at 60K miles and still no issues.

[@JorJorBinks123]

I rented a 2022 Standard Range almost exact spec to this one from the video. The wiper was gouging the glass right near the base of the wiper arm, the suspension clunked over bumps, but other than that it was an epic example of a 90,000+ mile abused car. It still accelerated like normal, the steering and handling was all fine and sharp. It has some Firestone A/S High performance tires on it which really added to the cornering grip. I was able to Drive it from SoCal to Vegas, up to Beaty NV, through Death Valley, and then back down to SoCal a little faster than ABRP told me I could. Truly surprised me that the car was still taking on 52kwh when charged to 100% from about 5-10% my total weekend with the car was 1,359 Miles 359kWh averaging 264Wh/mi with an average speed of about 70mph over the entire thing. After all the abuse, the car held up so well. I would consider buying this rental.

[@simplygregsterev]

Thanks for the comment

[@JorJorBinks123]

@@simplygregsterevFigured it would add some value to your video. 🤙

[@leorock7823]

I bought a 2017 Toyota Venza for 18k in 2022. I got it for a “deal” but it had a large dent in the front drivers side fender. I don’t care because it runs great. Wish I could have gotten a Tesla that was in as good shape as that one. It’s a used car. You can’t expect perfection.

[@biskero]

very good point! People could just give a good clean exterior and put PPF.

[@simplygregsterev]

Great point!

[@adjust.clinic]

There was buzz about cheap Teslas from Hertz at first because they were going for $17k. You can’t find those now. For $17k, I could overlook paint swirl and curb rash on the wheels. If they’re $30K? I would just look at Tesla’s used inventory.

[@RoguePC4U]

$30k CAD not USD. So about $22k

[@TheFrenchPug]

$22k is what I have seen as well.

[@sfrealestatedealmaker6001]

I just got a 2021 30K miles, one owner for $26K from Tesla

[@bhuff123]

I work for many Rent-A-Car companies and the mileage on your Tesla is about average for what a two-year Rent-A-Car would have so if you want to low mileage Tesla have fun finding one

[@doultonevans]

Nice video boss good info to know but yeah it’s a rental they get worn and torn so you get what you pay for simple as that.

[@nm1000]

Would a Tesla service center do a good orepurchase inspection on it? How much would it cost?

[@mikeh.9954]

Great info! There's a local dealership with 33 for sale with high mileage. I'm going to stop by this weekend to take a look (just out of curiosity). It's a Chevy dealership so I don't have a clue what they do or don't know about the Tesla products.

[@positivityplace]

Make sure you ask them if they are enrolled with the IRS to do the $4000 instant point of sale off the sale price that same day if not go somewhere else

[@SLVRFOX88]

Locally they aren’t cheap enough for the mileage. If there were 17k cars I would buy one

[@8Ways8]

They started off at 16k

[@ETCGAMING]

I bought on and I love it

[@RetroSoulX]

This is intriguing to know, I’ve worked at Hertz as a car transporter and drove over 100 cars and some of them were Tesla Model 3s and Model Ys.

[@BTC909]

What was the source of the knocking sound?

[@shaunnichols8170]

My 2018 has right around 85,000 miles and only 10% battery degradation. I had to replace the control arms (under warranty) and am now replacing 2 of the charge control modules. IDK how long these cars will last, but fingers crossed it still has a good bit of life in in :)

[@Pocketbassist]

2019 LR Model 3 - I'm at 92,484 and haven't replaced anything except for tires.

[@welbyroberto6581]

They replaced my upper control arms and another linkages which I forgot the name after 22 months of ownership of model Y. Quality is below par but I still enjoy the Y though

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@welbyroberto6581Part of the reason Hertz and Sixt ditching them. Also the gigacasting makes them expensive to repair

[@ashishpatel350]

degradation doesn't mean the battery will last long. usually when the battery fails it goes quick.

[@shaunnichols8170]

@@ashishpatel350 Interesting. I didnt know that.

[@manp1039]

what does Hertz charge you to rent a Tesla? ande do you rent it from a hertz location in Canada? can you drive it back and forth over the Canada/US border with no problem from hertz?

[@kclaptraffic]

I bought a 2022 long range dual motor ex hertz car for 17,500 plus 4k rebate. It had 89k miles on it. It has a few scratches and dings in the paint, one headlight had the running light out, and the seat plastic on the driver's seat was broken. Battery health is very good according to Tesla (had them check it). But for 13,500 I'm good with it. Found a headlight on eBay for $200 and replaced it, fixed the plastic on the seat with some epoxy on the inside, and touched up the paint, buffed it out and ceramic coated it for about $150. My favorite car I've owned, and one of the cheapest. Not perfect but a 2 year old Tesla for under 14k, it was hard to pass up.

[@simplygregsterev]

That is a crazy deal! Congrats

[@jesdadotcom]

Repeat supercharging puts additional wear on the battery.

[@epcalderhead]

That's a blanket statement. The amount you charge to and how long it sat at a hight SOC is the biggest factor. The Hertz car probably sat at a high SOC or longer periods than I would prefer, however.

[@AdamGeorgeLL]

Greast channel Greg, keep up the great work.

[@simplygregsterev]

Much appreciated!

[@JBoy340a]

I rented a Model Y from Hertz a few months ago. Like this car the rear had scrapes. I assume this was due to people putting luggage in and out from trunk much more often than the average owner. The car was great. It was quieter than my 2022 Model X with 7,000 miles and was completely rattle free. I checked the mileage, and it had 45,000 miles.

[@simplygregsterev]

Yea it’s from the luggage! A piece of ppf would have solved it. I’m actually in Orlando now and have a Model 3 LR from hertz

[@manp1039]

@@simplygregsterev piece of ppf?

[@michaelthomsen7140]

Paint Protection Film@@manp1039

[@djerniet350]

paint protection film @@manp1039

[@gerardcrabb4556]

@@manp1039 poly propylene film...

[@rich1383yt]

I would not call that “a hard life” for a 50k-mile car... People seem to expect perfection. My 2018 M3 has 50k miles and has a few scratches and a rear fender dent that I did in the first week I had it, backing into our tight garage. Also the rear taillights are offset from the fender (from day 1), but I really didn’t care.

[@felixbaum48]

For 20k it's pretty unbeatable kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoS1iH6urtmKapI

[@joeking433]

BMW's are notorious for having thinks break. That's why they are never at the top of the reliability charts with Toyota. Mine was always in the shop for something. Fun to drive, though!

[@gmmo]

just a car as long it drive..nice french mentality ,🤤

[@sparkysho-ze7nm]

Hey Tesla 1 How do make better controller arm ??? Got a frame bushins

[@WealthEngineering]

Model 3 Y eat through control arm? What else they eat through?

[@MohanadQ]

So there are lots of these going on sale now at hertz for about 25k and mostly they 2023 with 50k miles, do you think they worth buying?

[@jiyushugi1085]

I bought my 02 Chevy Cavalier from Hertz 20 years ago for 8K. still runs fine, I maintain it myself.

[@stevemelton4388]

People didn’t want to rent them from Hertz, but buying one from them is a good idea

[@MrJturner74]

Trust me the cars HAVE been rented, the reason Hertz is dumping them is the battery warranty is about to expire due to mileage.

[@dang2055]

Plenty of people rented them. Hertz doesn’t have a good track record of making good decisions. Buying high and selling low is pretty stupid. They could just keep them and lower the rental cost on them to drive them into the ground since they already are taking the depreciation on it. They are back on track for another bankruptcy.

[@bryanmiller2023]

Agreed, Hertz probably bought too many Teslas for their fleet too quickly. Part of that may have been due to the shortage of available cars for purchase from the regular manufacturers. The other thing that the news media failed to point out is the Teslas Hertz is selling have mileage similar to the ICE cars they sell used so it isn't like the Teslas sat unused and they couldn't rent them.

[@JorgePizarroFilms]

Same car with same mileage goes for $20k now in Chicago. Seriously considering buying one.

[@macioluko9484]

87 000 km on a M3 is nothing. I’d buy it! The issues you pointed out are there with any rental car.

[@simplygregsterev]

I’d buy it too if the price was right.

[@peytonbass5396]

Having just started looking myself at the vehicles for sale at the Hertz Sales lot in Orlando, I have not been too impressed with what I see. Especially with the amount of turn over with tourists in Orlando, I have concerns. Thank you for showing up the Service panel access. Brings to mind, why the rental car mechanical team is not clearing the faults on the Service screen as they come up?

[@Bargainteers]

I have a 2021 Tesla Model 3. I bought it brand new a few years back. I can definitely recommend the car. I wouldn’t recommend it used. There is a reason why these cars are very cheap used. I bought mine new and noticed that the car eats through tires, but that’s due to the vehicle being so heavy. I drive this car like its a performance car. Yes. I bought the Performance version, so I do a lot of pulls at the light whenever I see scats or any other performance car that tries me at the light. I bought the car to drive it, not drive like a grandma. That also comes at a price. I had to replace the lower control arms myself. Now you may be thinking why would I do that and its under warranty? Tesla is backed up when it comes to servicing. To me, time is money, and I don’t like waiting. When Tesla told me that it was going to take 2 months for a lower ball joint to come in and another 2 weeks to fix it, I quickly went online and ordered both front control arms. It took 2 days for the part to be shipped and I fixed it the same day. So if you are mechanically inclined, just know you are going to be repairing the suspension non-stop. The shocks leak more than new iPhone releases so you better know how to do them yourself. Just know, if you buy this car used, from a rental company, just know that there is probably someone that drives harder than me. Despite the flaws that this car has (And trust me, there are quite a few) I love the car. I have not experienced a battery problem as of yet, but that is probably due to the fact that I purchased this brand new. I cannot speak much on a used Tesla, but I can only imagine the upkeep will be more to own used than it is new. There’s a reason why a rich man sells his BMW before the warranty expires. I’m sure it’s the same with a Tesla. I hope this helps anyone looking for a Tesla Model 3.

[@PurpleSideBlack]

I don't agree with all the people saying "Tesla vehicles eat tires". My previous car history have mostly been 200 to 350hp vehicles which were sports cars with excellent handling and low profile tires. My idea of how long a tire should lasts may differ from other people because other people may be used to driving non-performance vehicles such as a Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord, etc. Yes, Teslas all have nearly 300hp and more. Mine has nearly 500hp. I'm getting between 35,000 and 55,000km on tires. It depends on what type of tire, how you drive it, and when you decide it needs to be replaced. Maybe those non-performance vehicles can get 65 to 80k out of a set of tires, but Teslas are all high horsepower vehicles with instant torque. Most people aren't used to that.

[@eblamo]

Did you also change your own oil? I've never figured out where the oil filter is on these. Easy to find in the Cyber Truck but maybe that's because it's right behind the frunk.

[@eblamo]

​@@PurpleSideBlackKnew a guy who used to work at Firestone. If he wasn't working, he was always sleeping. I asked him once if he had ever been to a doctor to see if there were any issues like hormonal imbalances or anything in his bloodwork. He said he actually had, because he didn't know what was up either. Said his doctor said everything was fine. Apparently because of where he worked, he was just always tired.

[@joeking433]

That's why Tesla stock has went off a cliff.

[@stevenhill3136]

My 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance has been maintenance free still on the original tires. The control arms noise issue on some cars you could actually live with if you don’t mind a little noise. Besides no maintenance I also really like getting 300 miles for just $6.00 of electricity on a 500 horsepower car

[@MichaelHallerandAssociates]

Just got 2023 from Tesla themselves w 19k miles for 31k. Since it had EAP i can now make it FSD for an additional 2k. Every 1 talking sub 30k car, but i feel like i got basically a new car (almost at least) with FSD for 33k. That car a year ago new, would've cost me what, over 50k? 12k for FSD alone... 40k plus for the car? Any rate, I love the car. Cost me like 7 bucks for 117 miles to fill the battery to 100% just a bit ago. Only problem is increased insurance which is funny because i fell like I'm 2x as Safe as i was in my last car! They had a nice selection too last i looked that were nearly new. I'm ok without the refresh at that price.

[@natick4]

We bought a 2023 M3 from Hertz in CA with about 25k mileage - we believe it was leased exclusively in LV for 16 months. We charge it at home before 4 pm while our solar production is maximum (flexible work schedules) and the car has been great so far. I estimate our actual range - driving between 70 - 75 mph on I-5 and I-80 to be around 220 miles, but we get closer to 250 with local slower driving. (Yes, the Tesla app says 258 with the 19" wheels, but we have enough data to estimate a 220 to 250 range depending on our speed... we tend to drive faster than most traffic!) Would a used Bolt be cheaper with similar mileage? Yes. But the Model 3 is a pretty good looking car. Sorry Chevy.

[@stevelouie5928]

What's the stat on Tesla 3s with over 100k miles? I'm sure there is data on what happens since they are connected to tesla. For example, I want to know how many Tesla 3s have had to have new batteries and at what mileage and age. If they released that data, I'd feel more comfortable buying a used Tesla. Since they are only warrantied for 80k miles, that's telling. If you are on borrowed time after that, then I don't think it's worth the risk since a replacement battery is 10k. You're better off buying a new one unless you can get a used one for 10k

[@captiantim1]

If hurtz ain't buying more ,I ain't buying one used 😅

[@pauld6967]

Normally, if a friend is looking for a used car, I will recommend buying a former rental car because the company stresses maintenance to keep them running and making money for the company. However, the business model of letting them be used by Lyft and Uber plus your observations cause me to be leery of making that recimendation for EVs. The single exception I take with your comments, and this is just my preference, is your critique of cosmetic damage. An EV that I buy will be a secondary, get-around-town economically car and appearance has zero bearing on function. 🙂

[@mattdecker6791]

I always thought that rental cars received regular maintenance. After I bought a Hertz with 36K miles, it was obvious that most of the filters had never been changed. Not a good deal.

[@pauld6967]

@@mattdecker6791 Filters are cheap. I thought you were going to have a real horror story about a mechanical defect that posed a safety hazard and/or was going to be expensive.

[@profideman6157]

Nice vid!

[@nexlevel_v3152]

How does key situation work when you rent a EV. Do you get a temp log in or you get the smart keycard?

[@simplygregsterev]

With Tesla you get the keycard and app access by scanning a QR code

[@nexlevel_v3152]

@@simplygregsterev Thank you!

[@Lovejazz01]

I think those car would be great as a daily driver if you could trickle charge at home every night ( level 2) and ovoid the supercharger until you maybe make that one or two long trip a year. It would be a deal if the price was under 30,000 dollars.

[@joeyvinzo4531]

Great information my friend. I’ve been wanting an EV, since 2012. Sadly I live below poverty level, so buying a new car is far beyond my capabilities. However, with the Hertz car sales of EVs, I am quite optimistic that I could afford one. Great video. I hope you can follow up on the sale of that specific vehicle. Just curious as to how much they will sell it for.

[@simplygregsterev]

I think this is the big point being missed is there are a bunch of used EVs about to hit the market. While I’m not sure of exact price points the fact so many will be around will bring down prices overall and possibly help adoption.

[@practicalguy973]

Don't do it if you dont have a lot of money to deal with repair issues, especially with a rental car that is treated poorly and likely seen a lot of careless driving. Also the EV industry is taking full advantage of making major change to turn vehicles from repairable to throwaway with more ways to achieve total loss where they write the car off in the insurance industry. The battery is along the entire bottom of the Tesla and if you hit anything even a small dent the battery may need to be replaced for tens of thousands of dollars. We've seen $60'000 battery quotes for some Hyundai's that are older and more than the cost of the car. There are a lot of examples of Tesla's with premature battery failure even when the degradation is minimal. It is rare but the way its designed it's out of your control. If that happens your insurance premiums will double or worse if you cant afford the massive repair cost and they need to write it off. They way I see it is no different than whats happening with everything we purchase nowadays. Phones, tablets, digital appliances, laptops, flashlights, bluetooth speakers etc.. are all being designed with built in batteries giving them a shelf life. It's a way for business to make more money when you need a new one after a few years and pass the costs on to the consumers!

[@practicalguy973]

If the HVAC system fails there is a chance it causes battery damage and power train damage as its responsible for cooling and heating the critical components of the battery, electric motors etc... The newer heat pump HVAC systems in a Tesla are pretty over-complicated and also have heat scavenging compared to a ICE. I've seen one Tesla owner already on KZbin documenting this with pretty costly repairs, he needed a flatbed tow truck to get it to Tesla service to.

[@practicalguy973]

KZbinr documenting that HVAC issue was iowa tesla guy.

[@MrJturner74]

Don't do it, most of the cars being sold are about to have the battery warranty expire due to mileage.

[@philippedenver8271]

It’s all about the battery, uber driver rent it and supercharge them 2 to 3 times per day it kills the battery

[@practicalguy973]

Kim Java channel has a good Model 3 story documented about a ride share Tesla battery failure issues. Scary to own a Tesla that was constantly supercharged.

[@msport4769]

Well the scary thing about that story was the owner even said the degradation came on so fast that he feels that Tesla bricked his HV battery and the battery wouldn’t go beyond 35% or something like that. That’s crazy. And Tesla was only willing to help him after his story went viral.

[@bruhmomento7563]

@@practicalguy973biggest thing to prevent the battery from going bad is to not stress it out much by doing - Extracting alot of energy from it at once (high acceleration) - Keeping it at 100% capacity (80-90% at most) -Draining the battery to near empty (below 20%) -Supercharging it

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

They're pretty terrible deals honestly. A new Model 3 is what, $39k....I'm seeing the Hertz Tesla's with under 100k miles in the high 20's. I'd need more than a 10k discount on a Hertz car no matter what Tesi says....

[@toddm7861]

39k for the base. Base models are way different than the dual motor, and even the performance

[@RoguePC4U]

He's talking in CAD, not USD. So factor the exchange rate too.

[@TripReviews]

@@RoguePC4Uyes I was assuming this too. Today to buy a U.S dollar it will cost a Canadian about $1.41. For an American to buy a Canadian dollar this person would receive about $1.37 Canadian.

[@WealthEngineering]

Hey I'm in Montreal too and I'm considering buying a model 3 from Hertz. Where is your shop?

[@simplygregsterev]

There are aftermarket options for control arms now from Febi Bilstein etc. The marketplace is better than it was before

[@jimwu6373]

@@simplygregsterev$25-27k cad or usd ? I’m in Canada , just want to know what’s a fair market price here in Canada

[@mattdecker6791]

Bought a Nissan Rogue from Hertz a couple of years ago with 36K miles. Both the engine air filter and cabin air filters had obviously never been changed. The drivers door developed a 1/4" sag but Hertz warranty refused to cover it. I wouldn't buy from Hertz again.

[@CoolestGuyInTheRoom]

How TSLA stock should you own before buying a Tsla auto?

[@Northbaylandscaping]

depends on the price difference of a new one. If you can afford new I would always buy a new. Buying new you get a perfect car and warranty.

[@noahswarz4914]

Anybody know how much these are going for in auctions? I don't deal with car auctions but have a dealer license and the opportunity to buy direct from hertz but I don't want to offer to little nor too much...

[@jb-dn5fy]

I have a 2023 standard range with 18k miles headed to me this friday. 27k with a trade in for 12,300. 17k difference. It was originally a hertz. I hope its a good decision

[@gunaygultekin]

How can you check the battery health before buying?

[@jb-dn5fy]

@@gunaygultekin recurrent. Its a website that monitors a teslas battery health. I believe the vehicles have to be put in it. My co worker who has used it said not every owner does it. Im currently on my 5th day driving the vehicle. I noticed a small amount of under carriage damage yesterday. In the process of getting a claim but tesla wont touch the vehicle untill my state registration is complete. Aside from that. The vehicle drives great. No transfer of ownership issues as far as the app goes. Still has a battery w warranty of a lil less than 7years/100k miles Basic car warranty is there for another 2 years/50k miles. There is the drive train? Warranty as well

[@EAster33]

Just got a 22 m3lr for under $24k ( so $19k with tax credit) with 63k miles. Has paint chips n looks like a shopping cart dinged it. The kbb and nada were $33k. It needs maybe 2000 max to make it look great. I think they are worth the hassle. You had hella fear talking about saving almost 5-15k with credit to spend 3-5k on the car…😊

[@williamrogers1219]

Used Teslas from 2017 and up with HW 3.0 have the same functions as a new Tesla with HW4.0 and will continue getting updates similar to a smartphone.

[@bryanmiller2023]

An electric vehicle that has been supercharged multiple times a day to me is the equivalent of an ICE car that was used for police use where the engine idles for hours on end. I would hope the vehicle is priced accordingly. I don't think a rental is necessarily a problem as long as it's a normal rental not used for ride-share use. Someone renting a car from an airport to use while traveling around town for vacation or business should be much closer to a privately owned vehicle, especially if the mileage isn't super high.

[@benkanobe7500]

Where do we get that Tesi app, how much does it cost, how does it determine battery health? I,m just a guy, not a shop.

[@simplygregsterev]

Apple App Store. You need to have the car plugged in.

[@benkanobe7500]

@@simplygregsterev I not sure what you mean by "plugged in". Do you mean charging? What other way?

[@mijas-rus2715]

I checked prices for supposedly "bargain" hertz used teslas on sale - and didn't really find them cheap. For out-of-warranty high mileage rental fleet cars, these are pretty high prices

[@gunaygultekin]

How can we check before buying a second hand car ? What should we do?

[@74ventura11]

I would love a Tesla but there is no way i would buy one that 70% of the people who drove it had no instruction and no idea what they were doing. There is a learning curve to driving a electric vehicle.

[@Michael-yi4mc]

Hertz used car lot manager said that he will paint the car white if he gets a purple car just to sell it faster.

[@nottmfunguy]

The problems with ex-rental cars you don't really know where they have been driven or stored for a period of time. EV's have reduced requirement for servicing, which is a problem. Not having proper service checks hides issues, like rusting under the protection panels, rust around the vital areas. This can be the case if they have been standing idle for a while.

[@fgeiger41]

Former Tesla employees created a warranty company specifically for their cars to make it as easy as possible. It's called. Excelerate. I don't think they'd be any different than any other off fleet car as far as reliability, it's just the accident repair and insurance costs are premium until tesla service catches up to production. Plus less maintenance. There's a reason people lease "premium" brand luxury cars. Poor reliability after the warranty expires and high maintenance and non accident repair costs.

[@simplygregsterev]

Good comment!

[@aware2action]

Basic limited warranty expires @50K.🤔 There are lot of other things that can run into issues other than battery and drivetrain, and could have repair in excess of 2K. Rental cars are probably abused a lot in every possible way,not just super charging from empty to full. The issue is, these cars have lot more torque than, the suspension components can safely handle, which will never showup in notifications. Also the maintenance on these cars are same as ICE cars, just they can tolerate longer intervals(means no maintenance done until warranty expired). Atleast 2K worth of maintenance due @purchase to offset any serious issues in future. If there is atleast 20K warranty left, it might be worth the risk. The battery warranty has its limitations(such as coolant line, road debris damage are not covered). Also warranty replaces with a refurbished battery only.

[@sarkisseywaz2127]

Great price

[@anonymoususer5541]

Where is the Hertz sales location in Quebec?

[@simplygregsterev]

Hertz is selling via Adessa iirc around here. Also it is my understanding that the Hertz cars never got an EV rebate in Quebec or in Canada for that matter and if you buy through a dealership, you still should be eligible for the 3000 or 4000 rebate in Quebec.

[@callmebigpapa]

These are selling today for 18,000 usd today and with the tax rebate 14k ......that is the price of a used Nissan Leaf ....its a no brainer

[@jameltanderson]

Where not just hertz?

[@callmebigpapa]

@@jameltanderson Just Hertz afaik

[@user-id9ej8fr6n]

How do I purchase a ev from hertz?

[@Bill757]

Who's responsible for a used car/battery. It probably wouldn't matter. Right?

[@rossr6616]

out of warranty used cars, everything is on the buyer, no buybacks, at least in CA

[@gerrydave7586]

What does it tell you when something of supposedly value is sold cheap? Think! Reason!

[@ridingvenus]

If in a accident 13:50 wouldn’t service screen show that?

[@pluggedev8464]

So many Tesla videos has some person standing on or in front of the car with their arms spread open, I don’t get it

[@RedBatteryHead]

Fair comments and contemplation on the choice. I think they make great EV's for EV starters looking for a deal.

[@kirkhilles523]

Haha, yeah in terms of degradation. That's not a concern of my 8 yr old Model S. It WAS an issue in my 2012 Leaf (I bought used very cheap). The range was dropping practically everyday and got to the point to where I had a realistic range of around 35 miles. Yes, 35 miles. THAT is degradation. With Teslas you worry about expensive repairs, not slow degredation. I'm about to pay a $2000+ bill because my S got stuck in the mud and some must've gotten into the electronics...

[@simplygregsterev]

Classic Nissan Leaf and Battery Degradation. That's where all the myths come from...

[@kirkhilles523]

@@simplygregsterevYep, it's what happens with a 1st attempt Nissan battery without any cooling. I'm sure the engineers warned Execs numerous times about it too. Later "lizard" batteries from Nissan actually adapted the battery chemistry nicely such that it kept it's range still without active cooling.

[@exp037a]

I got lucky and got a used 2021 model 3 sr+ from tesla used inventory with only 22k miles

[@paf268]

Best car you can buy from a rental car company is an EV. There are no consequences for wear and tear and you’ll be happy for a long long time.

[@fkkmag8692]

Just give it a wrap

[@bruhmomento7563]

Depending on how bad the paint is, a paint correction + ceramic coating would be substantially cheaper and longer lasting

[@peterbishop1933]

I thought you said there was no warranty on a car x a rental company??

[@simplygregsterev]

Battery is still covered for 8 years 160k federal law. The rest of the stuff is off warranty

[@shivaan3000]

Bought my model 3 for 24,700 plus rebate of 4000 for 20700 that was a steal for me 2022 model and 2% battery degradation

[@onlyme972]

When its out of warranty you'll find your stuck with it or practically give it way.

[@icosthop9998]

TY 👍

[@nuttyDesignAndFab]

if you live somewhere with winter you probably want to find one with the heat pump

[@litestuffllc7249]

Super charging kills EV batteries. One example you can find on KZbin is at 110,000 miles a Uber driver who did super charge every day; got a dead battery; and it was out of the 100k warranty so just the replacement battery was going to be $9000 not including installation. They tried to justify it based on fuel savings but they compared to his old Camry that got 30mph not an alternative newer Camery he could have got instead that would have obtained 50mpg; so he lost money and he lost income; a very bad experience for that person. Thus a very good reason for Hertz to ditch EVs that are about to go out of warranty.

[@PM-wc1lp]

Charging non LFP batteries 100% frequently kills them. Super Chargers do not kill the batteries. This has been proven in a recent study. The Uber driver poorly maintained the battery pack because he did not know.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@PM-wc1lp kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIiadJxvbJ13rLM Here is the exact driver BEFORE the battery died at 110,000 miles. He describes contacting Tesla and being told he can occassionally go to 100% if he drives down the batter charge right away. When the battery actually dies they tell him he is beyong coverage at 110,000 miles. They tell him Teslas are not made for heavy duty use. He was using a supercharger twice a day. He was listening to the advice of Tesla as to what % charge he could do. So in his case the supercharger killed his Model 3; and he didn't go to 100 much and if he did he drove the car immediately; which Tesla's people said he could do. Reality probably is Teslas really can't manage that level of cycles and that number of cycles over a short time require a supercharger to do it.

[@wonderplanet343]

You skipped what knocks ...? That sound.

[@carlexus3133]

You helped confuse me.

[@frankcerbantes9429]

If you buying a Teslahas to be brand new especially a model 3

[@elonmusk8667]

I just checked the prices.... These aren't selling for super cheap. A detail isn't going to fix this. Its going to need to have body work and repainted.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Paint is superficial. How about the suspension? Differential? HVAC and heat exchangers? Rust? Those are the important and expensive things to repair.

[@conchobar]

The cheap ones got bought up fairly quickly. There were plenty of $22k model 3s that qualified for the Federal $4k used EV rebate, making them $18k cars.

[@user-tb1jy7rr9e]

If you can them cheap enough then cosmetically it doesn’t matter. Beggars cannot be choosers.

[@TripReviews]

It’s going to get marked up anyway regardless of how careful you are.

[@iridium.090]

Fiancé get herself one knowing its a rental and renters would neglect the vehicle itself. We checked plenty of them in person and yes they have minimal cosmetic damage but we were okay with it so we ended up picking one up that will need the following: wheel curb rash repairs, front windshield passenger side pillar has a small dent that will be repaired with paint-less dent repair, the front and rear bumper covers are pretty decent shape so no fixing there. interior was the main thing we were concerned about some model 3's on the lot had broken armrests, coffee stains outside of the cup holders, and back seat stains:) lol well like I mentioned we picked one that had fixable cosmetic damages and it'll be out of pocket expense on our end that will be okay to fix in due time. We payed $29,240 34k miles 2023 rwd Model 3 (bank valued the vehicle at $34k) and yes, thats with all fees included I think its a great deal if you can find a decent one in their lot. hertz Car Sales in Inglewood is were we found some decent ones and if you're there looking to buy ask for Fred! The day was long I was tired of driving there and back but I'm happy my fiancé purchased the car she wanted:)

[@tallll70]

Hertz is certainly leaving bad taste with me after hundreds of wrongful arrests because of wrong reports of stolen cars... And those police personal being complicit in such plunder because of not checking basic evidence

[@BulletSpoung]

Tesla rental cars do a lot of setting, near us most people avoid them for gas powered cars.