Buying Vision Pro is a Mistake?

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[@davidaltizer]

What do you think of Vision Pro?

[@stonybrain]

I don’t know 🤷‍♂️ haven’t tried it yet ..

[@DatDude923]

I love it, I’ve tried it, and I pick mine up tomorrow. However, that review on the verge was one of the weirdest most negative positive confusing videos I’ve ever seen. But then again, Nilay is a very pessimistic person, and I think he didn’t really understand how to use the product. I think the focus was to be first. If you want to watch a good review, look at Brian Tong’s, or Marquez Brownlee’s (not the unboxing). I heard that they came off as fan boyish, but the truth is they’re knowledgeable so they show you practical uses of what the product is and they have a knowledge as to how to use the control center which clearly Nilay did not. Nilay had an extremely pessimistic view. And little to no accurate knowledge as to how to even use it properly. I was sad as well after watching his review, thinking Apple pulled a bait and switch. Here’s what I mean. - when you connect to a Mac, it’s only one screen, at one size. You can actually resize the screen. Yes, it’s only one screen but that’s for your Mac. Everything else you would wanna do you can have outside of the screen. So if you have apps on your Mac, that is not available on the Vision Pro, let’s say World of Warcraft, then you can open up Safari, your Messages app, your Calendar app, Keynote, etc. outside of that one monitor. - you’re alone and you can’t share your experience. IJustine shared her experience with her sister via SharePlay, which is exactly what I said to Nilay on his video. - Talks about how the passthrough doesn’t look too good in Poorly lit areas, then proceeded to show the entire video in poorly lit areas. - for some weird reason, his screen recordings were horrible. And Brian Tong, iJustine, and Marquez posted videos where it showed full resolution screen recordings. The 1st 45 seconds of Brian’s video blew all Nilay’s screen recordings out of the water. - he didn’t know what foveated rendering was because he’s new to the VR space even though he’s used VR for a long time. And what I mean by that statement is, I’ve used every quest because I’ve owned every quest. We are now using pancake lenses with foveated rendering, which eases the pressure on the processor for rendering what you’re looking at. So things outside of your view are going to be blurry as it gets closer to the edges. This is actually a feature. -personas. When I saw it, I came away from thinking it was amazing. I guess because I actually play video games and follow technology. In this world of fake everything I guess he expected it to be perfect. And totally forgot that these personas are light years better than everything that came before it. Sure, you can say it’s uncanny, but the truth is look at what avatars look like on the quest… literally cartoons. And with the pro, there’s a tracking, but that’s about it. - and of course he, as a person is a very negative person. So give him something he doesn’t understand, and you get the conclusion that he has which is “ you’re going to be isolated, and all alone with no way to interact with others”… Meanwhile he did a FaceTime call… but because of his lack of understanding, when it comes to SharePlay, he was alone, I guess. So his video was extremely depressing. But so are all his videos. I remember watching his video on the Apple Watch whether it was was coming out. It was extremely similar to this. There was nothing like it on the market yet it was the worst thing ever and the best thing ever. Then he worried about the social constructs of looking at your watch based on our society. Now no one cares. He’s a worry wart, and a contrarian. Both Marques Brownlee and Brian Tong spoke about the benefits and the negatives but in their videos and the world wasn’t going to end. They actually talked about what the product was and how to use it. I think you’ll be happy with your purchase.

[@DatDude923]

I love it, I’ve tried it, and I pick mine up tomorrow. However, that review on the verge was one of the weirdest most negative positive confusing videos I’ve ever seen. But then again, Nilay is a very pessimistic person, and I think he didn’t really understand how to use the product. I think the focus was to be first. If you want to watch a good review, look at Brian Tong’s, or Marquez Brownlee’s (not the unboxing). I heard that they came off as fan boyish, but the truth is they’re knowledgeable so they show you practical uses of what the product is and they have a knowledge as to how to use the control center which clearly Nilay did not. Nilay had an extremely pessimistic view. And little to no accurate knowledge as to how to even use it properly. I was sad as well after watching his review, thinking Apple pulled a bait and switch. Here’s what I mean. - when you connect to a Mac, it’s only one screen, at one size. You can actually resize the screen. Yes, it’s only one screen but that’s for your Mac. Everything else you would wanna do you can have outside of the screen. So if you have apps on your Mac, that is not available on the Vision Pro, let’s say World of Warcraft, then you can open up Safari, your Messages app, your Calendar app, Keynote, etc. outside of that one monitor. - you’re alone and you can’t share your experience. IJustine shared her experience with her sister via SharePlay, which is exactly what I said to Nilay on his video. - Talks about how the passthrough doesn’t look too good in Poorly lit areas, then proceeded to show the entire video in poorly lit areas. - for some weird reason, his screen recordings were horrible. And Brian Tong, iJustine, and Marquez posted videos where it showed full resolution screen recordings. The 1st 45 seconds of Brian’s video blew all Nilay’s screen recordings out of the water. - he didn’t know what foveated rendering was because he’s new to the VR space even though he’s used VR for a long time. And what I mean by that statement is, I’ve used every quest because I’ve owned every quest. We are now using pancake lenses with foveated rendering, which eases the pressure on the processor for rendering what you’re looking at. So things outside of your view are going to be blurry as it gets closer to the edges. This is actually a feature. -personas. When I saw it, I came away from thinking it was amazing. I guess because I actually play video games and follow technology. In this world of fake everything I guess he expected it to be perfect. And totally forgot that these personas are light years better than everything that came before it. Sure, you can say it’s uncanny, but the truth is look at what avatars look like on the quest… literally cartoons. And with the pro, there’s a tracking, but that’s about it. - and of course he, as a person is a very negative person. So give him something he doesn’t understand, and you get the conclusion that he has which is “ you’re going to be isolated, and all alone with no way to interact with others”… Meanwhile he did a FaceTime call… but because of his lack of understanding, when it comes to SharePlay, he was alone, I guess. So his video was extremely depressing. But so are all his videos. I remember watching his video on the Apple Watch whether it was was coming out. It was extremely similar to this. There was nothing like it on the market yet it was the worst thing ever and the best thing ever. Then he worried about the social constructs of looking at your watch based on our society. Now no one cares. He’s a worry wart, and a contrarian. Both Marques Brownlee and Brian Tong spoke about the benefits and the negatives but in their videos and the world wasn’t going to end. They actually talked about what the product was and how to use it. I think you’ll be happy with your purchase. In conclusion, don’t be confused by the “get off my lawn people“. You’re gonna be depressed if you listen to those people because they always look for the worst in things. For example, your iPhone, there are some people that walk around in public, looking down at their phone. There are some people that sit at the breakfast table, staring at their phone. There are some people that go to the bathroom with their phone. If you can visualize that stuff, rewind the clock, 40 years, and replace the word phone with newspaper. Now, fast forward five years from today and if everyone is walking around with AR glasses or mixed reality, headsets, the ideals haven’t changed. But yet the pessimist have always said the same thing they just replace newspaper with iPhone, and now iPhone with headsets or AR glasses.

[@SIRICKO]

Nope@@teriumrostovski8774

[@DatDude923]

@@teriumrostovski8774 don’t know why it posted twice

[@pjrodriguez9755]

I work from home. I’m super curious what happens if let’s say I’m mirroring my Mac, and chatting with a co worker on slack then they video call me on slack? Will it default to the Mac’s camera and show me with the goggles on?

[@davidaltizer]

Great question. My guess is it’ll be the wacky Vision Pro CGI character.

[@ChristopherCricketWallace]

and why can't we use meemoji instead of an uncanny valley--NOT Star Wars--hologram?

[@chronicillz1879]

0:39 what is the name of your iphone case please, im interested in the camera lens protector you have there, i just bought an iphone 15 pro and the cameras are so big im afraid it will get scratched somehow, your camera lens protector looks really rugged

[@davidaltizer]

i’m going to do a review on it! it’s the Sandmarc

[@chronicillz1879]

@@davidaltizer thnx for the reply, yea plz do a review on the case ill be waiting, subscribed

[@fecalfetus7902]

I think the main problem with most people's mindset is that people aren't seeing where this device will be 1 year, 2 years, 5 years from now. Of course we're going to have multiple screens, etc.

[@davidaltizer]

100%. this is just the beginning

[@zaddy6960]

Any chance you can do more G9 II videos?

[@wayz3188]

I agree with some of these point. I also think you need to make your own opinion of the product. Nilay Patel is a paid reviewer that obtained the product for free. Keep that in mind.

[@davidaltizer]

he got the product for free but he certainly isn’t getting paid by apple. that would be illegal for him not to disclose that information. i will make my own video on it after i have some time with it for sure!

[@jdarg4163]

You can get the immersed app and have 5 screens and your phone and your tablet also bro

[@mtbmike9866]

The Verge couldn’t even figure out how to do a screen grab to show what he was seeing while other reviews did. They also complained about finger gestures not working when your hands are under a table 😆

[@adredy]

extra screen but only if you have mac yes ?

[@maxieroo629]

Funny thing to me is you only get one virtual monitor, and it shuts off the actual Mac screen

[@davidaltizer]

exactly my point… seems not worth it for that use case

[@rainlesure4690]

Please please please tell me what happened to Indy Mogel

[@davidaltizer]

i just quit! nothing else other than i wanted to move home to Nashville and didn’t like LA. not sure why they haven’t kept it going since i left

[@rainlesure4690]

@@davidaltizer thank you Mr David I hope you’re happier where you are now☺️. Indy Mogel, the channel. is what set me on fire for filmmaking, even if I just make shorts and skits. So I was a little heartbroken 😔 not necessarily that you left, but that nobody picked it up I hope it gets sorted out.

[@Iluizfern]

This is a product that will give you a lot of news problems to solve (eg. manage windows, heavy, and others), than help you to resolve the real problems that you already have.

[@davidaltizer]

you’re probably right.

[@bujin5455]

I think people just fundamentally don't understand. Everyone keeps talking about this like, "it's not as good as a Mac," etc. Macs are not iPhone replacements, and iPhones are not Mac replacements. The real value of a spatial computer is not found in replicating experiences we already have. It's producing spatial experience we can't have without it. But some how you have to get from where you are to where you want to be. So Apple has provided a bunch of experiences that are kind of low hanging fruit, and as such, none of them are really "killer." Just like every other platform launch they've made. I'm not at all surprised by people's harshness, it's born out of improperly set expectations, lack of vision of the path forward, etc. Same sort of negativity was present for the iPhone launch, iPad launch, and Apple Watch, all of which people thought Apple had dropped the ball. All the same arguments were being made. Once two or three killer apps surface, all of these arguments will evaporate into thin air. It won't matter that it doesn't perfectly replicate reality, because it will allow you to do things that were previously impossible. You combine this sort of technology with AI, and amazing things are going to happen. Whether you want to be on the ground floor to watch the show as things develop, or whether you want to come in with the masses after the wild west has been tamed, is all up to you. I don't think Apple ever intended this product to be a mass market product for this generation, if they did, they would have made more than 60k of them for the launch.

[@davidaltizer]

they sold a reported 200,000 of them already which is pretty impressive, but i totally agree with what you’re saying which is why i ordered one in the first place. i will say, i feel apple mislead us with the marketing material as the video quality pass through looks way different in reality compared to what i saw in the ads

[@rickhollm7267]

@@davidaltizer How do you know how good the passthrough is without actually seeing it. Most of the reviews I saw all said that the videos they show are not as good as what you actualy see the in VP. Apple never said that you can have multiple Mac windows open. What Apple did do is withhold important information that they could have provided so people could have made a better informed decision. Information we will not have until we get the VP in our hands. At least we can return the VP if we are not happy, though from what I have seen at his point, I don't anticipate returning mine. Your use case seems very specific, and you might be right in returning it since it will not do everything you wanted on day one.

[@stdesy]

So many people have cancelled that the delivery date literally moved up another week today

[@davidaltizer]

oh wow! i didn’t notice that!

[@jdarg4163]

And me personally I use my Macbook Pro with my Quest 3 and it's good enough for me

[@dccoletrain]

I think you can do more than one giant monitor on the Quest 3…. I’ve only tried it once since it was a free app and people were looking at me in a virtual library 😂. I want the streaming services to offer higher resolution so hopefully Apple will inspire them.

[@davidaltizer]

it'll be interesting to see what apple does with firmware over the next few months..

[@baekmedier]

If it had correct calman verified colors I would get it for sure :D but I need correct colors for video editing - We need to wait for the version two ;)

[@davidaltizer]

LOL! For sure!

[@HrabingerOfFate]

immersed can do up to 5 screens on q3......

[@tshuxeng5267]

fov is smaller than quest 3 and quest 3 fov isn't that good. very good ideas.

[@davidaltizer]

for sure

[@jdarg4163]

Get the immersed visor it has 4 million more pixels than the Vision Pro and they look like glasses and they are $400 with a subscription or $950 without a subscription to their service and they also offer Apple+

[@WhoKnowsZombie]

Why do people like “real AR”? I never understood why people would want to see AR on glasses which means everything AR that you see will all be see through since it’s displayed on glasses. For me personally that’s way less immersive if it’s all see through. That’s why Apple Vision Pro intrigued me so much and why I spent almost all the money I have (well that’s how it felt) to get one because I love AR and for a very long time wanted to see and experience AR that isn’t see through and that’s more immersive. But yeah all I have to my name is $18,000 and I spent almost 5k on the Apple Vision Pro and invested the rest of it on take two stocks before gta 6 comes out. But my point is that’s how much I love the Apple Vision Pro. I seen all the reviews and I’m still just as hyped and excited. I’m a little bummed out that eye sight sucks and looks blurry but I mainly want the Apple Vision Pro for entertainment so like watching tv and movies and AR games as they slowly come out.

[@Gizmo-pu7hq]

I also spent 4 k on this I guess I'll try and evaluate and return within 2 weeks

[@davidaltizer]

for sure. it’ll be fun to watch movies on. but not sure it’s ready yet

[@Gizmo-pu7hq]

@@davidaltizer I am also assuming that it would just support one screen replication from Mac, because M2 only allows for one. I believe that the 3750 mAH battery and the limits of M2 and 499$ apple care would be a long term deal breaker after the honeymoon period is over

[@stdesy]

This thing is going to have a 45% return rate. Makes me wonder what sort of discount Apple is going to have on the certified refurbished store 3 weeks after release

[@nathanonearth]

The verge review was by a guy who gets nauseous from VR in general. The one screen is likely for now I'm sure they will open it to multiple displays. Can't wait to see where this goes... exciting times! I have Xreal... very limited size of video and it blocks your "reality"

[@albertdove2324]

I also felt really bad after watching that Verge video. But then I watched Brian Tongs 50 minute video and I was excited again. That Verge video is not good for human consumption

[@davidaltizer]

good point. it’s super negative

[@albertdove2324]

@@davidaltizer hope you at least enjoy yours when you get it...

[@johnnuaxon3]

Apple vision pro is piece of history like oculus dk 1

[@Carokas42]

you can buy a dk1 for 50 bucks right now. It might be a nice collectors item tho

[@DeepDishPizza]

The hell with the verge review.

[@davidaltizer]

for sure. excited to try it out myself and see how it actually is

[@DeepDishPizza]

@@davidaltizer Try it? You mean use it? You bought it just as I did. I bought one and I had the wife buy one to just put away and flip years later.

[@redbarchetta]

Why not actually wait until you get it, try it for yourself, and see what you think for yourself, before making a crazy long meta-review. Wow.

[@davidaltizer]

just sharing my thoughts

[@AustinMutschler]

I wonder why they don’t allow multi screen on Mac.

[@lucio20006]

Just a software update will fix that. They can’t give u all at ones

[@AustinMutschler]

@@lucio20006 hopefully. I feel like they would have just included it if it were that simple.

[@davidaltizer]

exactly. they may be wanting to discourage people from using it like that. to force Vision Pro apps to be used more

[@koukameleon]

@@davidaltizer​​⁠lol definitely not! You have no idea how much data must be streamed to allow multiple 4k screens to be streamed at a comfortable frequency. Why do you think there is still heavy hdmi wires between your TV and stuff ?

[@alexsha4912]

The wireless network bandwidth is just not enough to stream multiple 4k monitors… as they don’t have a thunderbolt port

[@windylee1224]

Glasses isn’t as immersive as a actual headset tho

[@davidaltizer]

true story...

[@MrNeilRoberts]

Glasses will mean the reality will be “real” … if you want full immersive then yeah enclosed headset like VP / Quest / etc,. This is where I’m confused with what Apple are trying to achieve.

[@tyleradams3490]

Yeah not the most amazing thing since sliced bread. It's in some ways more amazing than the Quest 3 and in some ways its the same or lesser. But you should probably get a quest 3 for $500 and wait for something much better than the AVP. Quest 3 can do productivity and it can harness PC computing wirelessly. It's pretty neat for $500 and the passthrough and resolution is pretty darn good, those pancake optics are nice and clear from edge to edge too. XR is cool, VR gaming is also cool, I personally love using it for PCVR. Also, having controllers for the Q3 is nice, you get both hand tracking or the use of controllers. We're not quite living in that future we all want but I think its fast approaching.

[@gillianorley]

The Vision Pro IS a computer. It has an M2 processor. Don’t use it as a screen for your Mac. Use the Vision Pro device and its M2 processor as your computer and, when doing so, you can open as many “screens”’of any size that you want. It’s not supposed to be a Mac accessory. It’s supposed to be a computer itself. That’s why they call it Spacial Computing and equipped it with a full-blown, Mac-class, M2 processor.

[@ConnorMcCaskill2]

Yeah, I’ll get version 2

[@davidaltizer]

it'll be fun to watch some movies on my couch for two weeks before i send it back...

[@ConnorMcCaskill2]

@@davidaltizer haha

[@adredy]

version 2 -> 6999 512GB :P

[@chenghuapang7504]

they have return policy and there are people waiting to get one. you wont have difficulty getting most of your money back right now.

[@jcabassi]

When you use a mouse or a Quest controller to click / select things, you also need to look at what you're doing. Try closing your eyes and using a mouse.

[@davidaltizer]

haha sure but you don’t have to use your eyeballs as a pointer. your hand is directly controlling it which according to the review is more natural.

[@alexsha4912]

You still need to look at where you pointing at even with a mouse, the reviewer is just hasn’t get use to it

[@ChristopherCricketWallace]

one display?!?! WTF?!?!

[@davidaltizer]

after posting this video i learned there are some apps made by other people that will enable more than one screen! so we’ll see

[@gokulsunilkumar3966]

Well they succeeded in tricking you Great the Future is Going be AR embedded in small specs 🤓 not vision pro but we have no idea when or if we will get there …

[@thedjkgmail]

Apple never said you could have multiple Mac screens and you can make the one Mac screen as large as you like and run other Vision Pro apps alongside the Mac window. Since you’ve already ordered it, you should use it and see if it fits the way you work/play. I will not be returning mine, I am an early adopter and excited to see what’s next in computing.

[@davidaltizer]

i feel it was a bit misleading for sure. they showed the vision pro apps alongside the mac apps which made it seem as if there were multiple mac apps

[@zachhotchkiss]

@@davidaltizerI was never once confused into thinking that there were multiple mac windows. I also cannot think of a single clip in which Apple showed the virtual mac screen running next to VisionOS apps to cause you to come to this conclusion. If I’m wrong, feel free to drop a link to a clip.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

“Real Reality” is what we want 😊👍👍

[@davidaltizer]

haha!

[@joejoe2658]

judging by your yard you would be lucky to afford the head strap.

[@scupking]

What's the point of it... It doesn't do anything that much better than the $500 Quest 3. You can use a computer with virtual desktop in quest 3 and make the screen massive. You can't even play games on the Vision Pro. It's just Apple knowing that the Fan boys will pay whatever for something with the Apple name on it. Like all other VR devices you will say wow at first but that will wear off very fast. Then you will just use it sometimes. Paying $3500 to use it sometimes is not worth it unless you have lots of money to waste.

[@c.daubz.5386]

‼️$4000 early adopter Public beta developers device (necessary first step), lets see where it goes by 3rd or 4th generation of vision pro, needs to be made lighter/smaller cheaper with better purposeful software

[@davidaltizer]

for sure!

[@stonybrain]

Lame ! Try it for yourself man ! Don’t let other people tell you your feelings !

[@CoopCollins]

Exactly. From the first seconds of that Verge review, you can tell where that guy was going with it and what he would say.

[@davidaltizer]

i mean i think it's worth sharing my thoughts tho. what do you think about it?

[@davidaltizer]

sure.. just sharing my thoughts.

[@stonybrain]

Your thoughts are fine ! Yup the verge clearly are negative from the start ! Try it for yourself then make a video !

[@tescoprimark1299]

Sell your kidney, just one.

[@davidaltizer]

worth it

[@seattlevkk]

Dude - do yourself a favor and please try it first before being so negative, especially basing it off a review. I didn't fully agree with Nilay's take and thought Markus Brownlee did a much better job.

[@McSlappin1]

The verge sucks dude. Brian tong and marques reviews are the only good ones.. they actually go in depth inside the avp

[@jpe1974]

How can you possibly make a review when you haven’t even used it sir? Please don’t be another KZbinr today where post a video telling the world how wrong you were, blah, blah , blah! You took the time to create the video giving credit to those negative reviewers so you better be taking it back right?

[@lucio20006]

Wow you have a real weak mindset. Only early adopters shall be able to buy it and not general public. People with debts or low income shall stay away from it. Don’t let other people review drive your life.

[@davidaltizer]

this is hilarious