BYD Shark 6 PHEV ute: about that drag race (deep dive) | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@plumbedout7282]

Hi John, never had a problem with the audio. Great content, love the humor, so appropriate.

[@bluestacks1862]

Oh my, I lost it when you included my rambling drunken comment I wrote at 4am😄Thanks John you’ve helped clarify a lot here even before you got around to my comment! Love your work (don’t mind sucking)

[@nathansmith6914]

Did anyone else have to hit pause to find out if they were his cicadas or yours? 😊 Edit: they were mine.

[@hund1746]

Yep same here.

[@Hover.Tension]

I did…..😂

[@Timoth_666]

They’re singing up a storm here

[@theearl7016]

😆

[@Rikke-v6t]

Nah, 2m of snow outside.

[@ethanwa1365]

I’m only watching John’s videos for the word play 😂

[@danieljones7843]

Cicadas are music to the ears, much like vuvuzella horns at a soccer match

[@oldbloke100]

Belated condolences John for your friend Clive Robertson. I first heard you on his radio show way back when. Anyway sorry to here of his passing, he was a brilliant journalist, entertainer.

[@gregbailey45]

*Robertson...

[@youmaarludwig5647]

I and six of my friends, all engineers, watch each one of your belly splitting hilarious videos. In Pakistan we now get to buy predominantly Chinese cars, a process that was preceded by considerable trepidation. Thankfully Chinese products, besides the odd quirks that one gets used to overtime, have turned out to be surprisingly good. They have a plethora of features, not particularly useful in third world traffic but also come with excellent reliability and better post sale service than those offered by western brands. The jury is still out for a full throated vote of confidence since most cars are still under the 80K kilometer but given the near perfect record thus far the future for them looks promising. On a personal note, have you twiddled with the idea of becoming a full time standup comedian......youTube may lose an engineer but shall gain an excellent comic. Best

[@stevenalexander403]

G'day it's Steven again Love your content John, you're brutally honest and wrap it up in witty jest. COTY? How the hell is that possible? I never knew I couldn't agree more, what kind of journalistic integrity do they have making this Chinese vehicle COTY if it's not even available in Stralia?! 🤔🙄

[@Rv7traralgon]

Great Video as usual John, just wondering when you will bring out the how to sharpen drill bits. 😂

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's on my 'to do' list dude.

[@iflyrc1410]

I was wondering that as well.

[@doobresick]

“Poor quality sound recording”. I beg to differ. The quality of the Cicadas chirping was delivered in full dynamic range and constant level, just as real life situations require.

[@milo9305]

Oh, I just love the cicadas! Reminds me of childhood Mediterranean days at the beach under the pine trees.

[@jasekells.photography]

Well said John, about the way you review compared to others. Many reviews wouldn’t have any idea the mechanical operation of what their driving and reviewing, and like most sales staff can only highlight facts they were given in a media briefing.

[@davidwoodham1307]

Hi there John thank you for your Journalists work for the Year mate I hope you have a great merry Christmas with your family and friends and a Have a happy new year mate I hope be safe mate

[@melkyriakou1555]

Thanks John. I really appreciate the engineers perspective you give in your videos and that you always keep it entertaining. I agree that Carexpert and Carsauce are great. Matt Campbell and the Redriven guys (for used cars) are good car review guys too.

[@dominiccorry9677]

John you are so funny! I’m trying to eat dinner here but I can’t. 😆

[@DanWallis86]

What did you have?

[@dominiccorry9677]

@ I had oven cooked chips and chicken thighs. And I cooked the chicken in Sweet Chilli Sauce. Then put cheese and rice with both of those. 😋

[@John-p7i5g]

The interior apparently is SUV sized. So you're effectively getting a PHEV SUV with about 100km range with a free tray at the back that you can also stick a bunch of stuff into.

[@mekanickrew1932]

I hear the unique and beautiful sound of Australian nature.

[@MattTucker]

I'm officially a lab rat, placed my order yesterday. My rush is mostly the fact that the novated lease fringe benefit ends at the end of march for hybrid vehicles and let's be honest the coalition will be slashing all EV benefits if they get in next year anyway. Regardless I am stoked to be lab rat for this vehicle. I am sure there will be some issues to overcome but bring it on I can't wait, the future is here. You are 100% correct about the current attitude of some people to Chinese vehicles and how similar it is to early Japanese manufacturing. The Japanese are now partnering with Chinese EV companies because their technology is so much better. The West (and japan) is being left for dead on this due to oil company interests and our addiction to fossil fuels.

[@schrenk-d]

As an interesting aside on Chinese manufacturing and pricing. What we tend to find is that the Chinese businesses have invested quite a bit of time, effort and wealth in creating vertically integrated supply chain, allowing companies like BYD to have solid control on the quality, spec and fit of a big percentage of vehicle parts. And when for any reason they can't integrate part of their supply chain, they work hard to partner up effectively with third parties. This is Deming 101 really.

[@mix68annear]

Came so close to ordering one, ended up with a triton. Very glad.

[@williamlokar7747]

Love the camera angle. Looks like you have big Popeye arms.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I do...

[@thehairygolfer]

@@AutoExpertJC It's from all that tugging..........

[@CrimeVid]

What, with the muscles the wrong way round ?

[@tomcawley4241]

Got into a bit of a situation with a camper on the back of a Y62 Patrol on a soft, narrow beach with an incoming tide - needed close to full power ~300 kW for 5 - 10 minutes to sort it out, (it was a bit silly). Backing off resulted in sinking into the sand. Needed all the killerwasps. Guzzled ~20L in that time too..... but that is the only time I can think of needing that many KWs for that long...(it did sound good while it did it).

[@StikkyWood]

I'd suggest the Shark would have ended up fully beached bro, in that situation.

[@hughaskew6550]

Who's gonna argue about 1kW? The driver in the other lane.

[@jolly1039]

Yes of course, the reason why i get a vehicle is mainly to drag race even taking into consideration its illegal, dangerous and destroys your vehicle in no time.. but sure that's the main selling point

[@AutoExpertJC]

Did I say that was the main selling point.

[@KW_T9-0]

😂

[@EleanorPeterson]

I remember Ego Muskrat was keen to stress the acceleration stats of his Teslamic lorry 'semi' flop ("Sorry, babe, that's never happened before") whilst ignoring the hard, probing, thrusting questions from trucking company bosses about the EV's inferior range, durability, and load-carrying capacity compared to existing diesel-powered vehicles. But gosh, who buys an HGV to transport GOODS? So yeah, an EV's zoomy-zoom sprint to 60 mph, that's what impresses muscle-car Merkins. I'm only a girlie Brit so I don't know what Australians use their utes for - probably something unsavoury involving Sheilas and drop-bears - but I doubt that many give a flying [Castlemaine] XXXX about drag racing. Apart from the 'Priscilla, Queen of the Desert' variety, that is.

[@maxbrooks1191]

we wanna know how many cartons of XXXX we can fit in a ute,thats after the drag racing with 6000hp cars is over,u know 3 second 1000ft and 5 second 1/4 miles,tho teslas do a stout job,but lack the required NOISE.

[@asajelfs8170]

The brand new .ega factory for the Tesla Semi is well on the way.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Respectfully, you need to take the opportunity to broaden your knowledge base. Utes have always been popular in rural Australia, at least since they were first released onto the market. In recent years, they've become popular with city dwellers as well. I can't speak on behalf of our smog breathing stressed out brothers currently stuck in traffic in any of our three major cities, but I can give you my own account of the use cases for my ute. Obviously, it has a large load carrying capacity, which makes it ideal for building type work, farm work etc. You can also safely load 60 slabs of cans in it, so you only have to go to the bottlo once every couple of months. And they come in very handy for carting firewood, garden supplies and for taking rubbish to the tip. But the real advantage of driving a ute is it gives you somewhere to put the missus when she's grumpy or the kids when they're fighting, which often occurs concurrently. That way, you and your dog can ride up front, in peace. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that having your missus and kids ride in the back of the ute is a cruel and unusual act. It isn't. We always have them apply liberal doses of sunscreen and ensure that they wear hats, even in the depths of winter, and contrary to popular opinion, in many parts of Australia it can be bitterly cold in winter which is why we also always keep a rug in our utes. You don't know what you're missing out on.

[@alanhilder1883]

@@davidbrayshaw3529 There was an ad last century with the man loading the ute for a wedding. Can't remember how much beer was in there, but the bottle of sherry broke it.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@alanhilder1883 There was, too! I remember it clearly. There was a lot of beer in the ute. A lot. Then they ordered "a couple of bottles for the ladies" (or something similar) at which point the ute's wheels fell off. The bloke just looked at it and said "looks like we shouldn't have got that second bottle of sherry" (or similar). It was a XXXX ad. and it was set in outback Queensland or somewhere similar. That must have been 35 years ago, or close to. Classic! Thanks for the memories.

[@hoyks1]

I can't hear the cicadas, sorry. 22 years around low bypass turbines and I hear cicadas all the time.

[@ralph04ification]

😂

[@bobeden2067]

The BYD Shark 6 is already in car yards here in New Zealand and I pass one on the road the other day.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

but not sold vehicles, they are demo ones for us to test drive.

[@bobeden2067]

@@TerryHickey-xt4mf a guy i know here in Ch-Ch his mate has bought one and is liking it not my cup of tea but each to their own.

[@lifeliver9000]

Yeah I got one ordered. Have to hang till March as first 2 ships sold out bummer would have been great for the holidays

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Agree with John on the bit that any car's final evaluation should rest on how a random production version of it performs, not some possibly tweaked special cherry picked unicorn. Too many a time we see a manufacturer providing these special case unicorns to journalists and industry influencers only to find the actual production version that Tom and Dick buys leaves a lot to be desired (component changed to those of lesser specs, etc)

[@sa2591-p5d]

The imaginatively named L2SFBC KZbin channel has a 3 part review of the Shark’s off road capabilities- it’s very thorough and highlights some of the issues.

[@Bobby_Jane]

Hi John, while i understand your point of view regarding Chinese made vehicles I would still hesitate purchasing one today. I just put a deposit down for a Mazda Cx-80 which is made in Japan. My current 2006 Mazda 6 (made in Japan) has done 263,000 kilometers and has only ever had an alternator replaced. China might make my phone, keyboard, some of my furniture, and numerous other items, however none of those items are entrusted with my wife and children's safety as they travel 110 kmph down the Calder Highway. The welds in my 18 year old Mazda 6 and 10 year old Kawasaki motorcycle are impeccable and as such i will always purchase Japanese Mazda made vehicles where possible, for safety and reliability reasons.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

I got to contend with fruitbats today, in 40-plus degree heat, with humidity set to MAX and the gimbal to wield like I was mace training. Hyundai i30 N - worth it.

[@Cloxxki]

Powercells are quite happy with high C rate cycling. Their efficiency may also be a lot better than range cells.

[@kennethprocak5176]

The petrol motor is a very smart way of protecting the battery from excessive high discharge load. By engine reducing front electric motor load to reduce draw on the battery. People on highway driving speeds of 60-70 mph report the engine eventually begins running and only runs generator and charges the battery. The engines will couple to the front electric motor if they decide to stick the foot in the accelerator. This is what private owners have reported in Mexico.

[@gerardwood4059]

On the simulator i have driven all the European 38 ton trucks and American Big Rigs. As Jhon pointed out, a quick test drive of a car tells you little about them! All trucks are the same, they do the job but from days of driving them you find the actual critical thing is gearbox and differential ratio's! The choice again as Jhon says is actually what you want to use the vehicle for and the terrain it is mostly driven in.

[@gregbailey45]

Cicadas have to be the most innocuous insects in existence! Apart from the males' propensity to drum up a storm of noise, they wouldnt hurt a fly!

[@shanesummerhayes7101]

Battery discharge C rates. Given an output from the motors of 321kW, that would equate to a battery discharge C rate of greater than 11C, from the 29.5kWh battery. It is easy to see how 3 back to back (?) drag races would heat up the battery pack enough for the thermal management system to de-rate the battery (limit output), to keep the battery temperature to a safe level. Hence each consecutive pass will be longer (time wise).

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yes. Agreed. The waste heat will degrade the performance. Did degrade the performance.

[@marksummerfield3865]

Spot on John, bought my wife’s Mazda 3 without even taking it for a test run, all modern cars drive the same.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

I did the same with my wildtrak.

[@nickmaguire4914]

Wife did the same with a 323. What colour would you like? That one, pointing to a demo!

[@Daniel-u7x8j]

Good commentary on Chinese manufacturing and their impact on the car industry.

[@Oosh21]

BMW petrol engines with Valvetronic are functionally throttle-less. It remains there as a backup for when fancy valve system inevitably stops working properly.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

When the combustion engine couples to the transaxle, it cant be delivering 135kW , because engine speed still needs to accelerate linearly with road speed. Do they make up the difference from the battery?

[@craigjones2878]

Not only is 0-400 m the only way to establish a vehicle’s performance; it’s a hell of a lot of fun.

[@NevilleMorris-bl9vl]

Hi John keeping it real as usual. I get annoyed when reviewers spend time on the feel of interior panels and colour schemes. I would rather they talk about the technical issues and things the average buyer needs to know when making a decision not how fast or how quick it accelerates. That info is easy to find anyway. I want to know how it copes with our roads, is it easy to live with, is there sufficient adjustment on the seats for various human body shapes. So often I decide this is the car then I go and test drive it and am disappointed, the reviewer has failed again. You on the other hand are what you are and not pretending.

[@LekkerDops]

What was your experience when you drove it?

[@tau3457]

If olight would finally make a torch with both adjustable lens (spotty to flood) and a usb c port that can charge while it's turned on, I'd finally buy one.

[@southerngentleman5321]

Did the cars get better or did our expectations lower...

[@2pintsofcremedementh]

Some of us are old enough to remember when a decent speaker had a 25 Watt RMS rating. Then the Chinese came along and overstated what their rubbish could do. History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.

[@garrymuir1442]

Different meaning of power, but I do understand where you are coming from, as in the erroneous statements of peak and peak to peak power. With speakers its about how much electrical power they can handle not the output of them. Here we're talking about output power, and one would think it has been measured.

[@z0harm462]

Cheers John

[@ServoSambo]

I have a Byd Seal. The after sales support makes the three prong look good. Beyond shit. I’d buy a Shark if it wasn’t for the dump and run mentality of the company in Australia. The Seal is a great car. Until BYD take Australia seriously, set up shop here themselves rather than through a rubbish importer, doubt I’ll ever buy BYD again. Save yourself the pain, look elsewhere. Great for a one night stand. Just don’t get into a long-term relationship…

[@grantlouw3182]

There does not seem to be much in the way of true ethical unbiased journalism nowadays, particularly in the vehicle review space.

[@SirGregoryPageTurner]

We thought democratisation of news would bring us the "real" truth. Traditional media is dying and all we have left is social media. Anyone can be an "expert" and nobody has to disclose their financial or other relationship with the product they are reviewing.

[@Wilcox7964]

Could you do a detailed look at the BYD Sharks drive line please? I thought it was a petrol/electric like a mining dump truck or a train. From your description you said it engages the petrol engine at higher speeds. Am I wrong to say that it's working as a generator and isn't connected to the wheels in any way? Or have I missed the technology where an internal combustion engine can drive wheels sans gearbox?

[@Nexus-z3h]

John when are we getting a video on the bump steer bum steer from Isuzu and Mazda?

[@DanWallis86]

I drove past an industrial unit the other day and it had multiple Rivian utes parked behind a gate. Do you know anything about these?

[@levigoulder6639]

Was that in Osborne Park WA? Apparently they have been purchased directly from Rivian by a mining company up north and will be used unregistered and solely on the minesite. Sadly I don’t think we’ll see them on Australian roads anytime soon

[@DanWallis86]

@ yeah that’s correct mate. Osborne park. I didn’t know they were planned for a minesite.

[@roberthamilton1301]

Great Video Still pretty early days but the BYD sealion 6 seems to be going ok without to many hiccups.... Thanks for the video Entertainment

[@xr6lane]

Came here for the paul maric reference Was not disappointed 😂

[@wooden2187]

It’s my understanding that the transmission is an E-CVT which I imagine is similar to the Toyota/Honda system? So does it have a clutch or a double motor/generator with power split device (which I think is a sort of planetary gear)?

[@AutoExpertJC]

There is no multi-ratio transmission.

[@Manchild-o7d]

Since you mention your welding activities, I was wondering what sort of projects you're working on. Might you tell us about them some time?...

[@johnflynn5750]

John, could you do an assessment/explanation of the mild hybrid drive system fitted to the Mazda CX60?

[@stevenbush3819]

I have a question of what solar pannel requirements would it take to charge the battery from 20 percent to 80 percent in an hour... Say standard house hold solar pannel of 330w

[@chrispac6264]

G'day John, this is off-topic only is your welding helmet an A40, A50 or A60? I was thinking of getting the 60 only that the viewing area might cop a bit of damage being so big ...

[@AutoExpertJC]

A60. But the lenses are replaceable.

[@FishandHunt]

Cicadas only know three words in their own language. Want a root?

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

57 61 6E 74 20 61 20 72 6F 6F 74 is how they say it.

[@tonynicholson3328]

​@@tonyjourneyman1944Is this EBCDIC?, just ASCIIing for a friend...

[@kennethprocak5176]

Is Red Book using useless Ai now for data?

[@JT_771]

Sure would be nice to see people not just claim outright lying when someone may simply be wrong. These are quite different. It does matter.

[@DrDezaro]

I wonder what the continuous rates speed is for a 40-50 degree ambient temperature day. I also wonder how much tractive effort if lost when operated at high load below the continuous rated speed.

[@PromiseKumalo]

what is this intro with the green arrows?

[@Pops1948]

No bigger risk buying a Shark than a Ram

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

Rams are stellantis aren't they? so they may be the bigger risk.

[@tighematthew]

Hope you buy one john.

[@giovannip.1433]

With an endothermic battery cell, you could possibly improve overal performance in a hybrid system.

[@adrianryan1943]

Come on John, the Murdoch press making things up? Never!!! Lol

[@NexGen-3D]

The way this vehicle works, sounds very similar to my 2013 Holden Volt, with the exception of the Volt only being front wheel drive, this type of hybrid extended range EV is far more appropriate for the Australian conditions, the Volt allows me to drive on pure electric around town on a daily basis, then when I want to drive 1000k's, I can do it on Petrol the entire time and never need to stop in the middle of nowhere hoping I can jam electrons in it.

[@davidpickard9393]

Petrol Valvetronic BMW engines use variable valve lift to replace the throttle

[@pnewt3378]

😄😄😄😄good show as always

[@schrenk-d]

Yeah. Imagine being an arachnophobe in Australia. My poor wife is. Have to stop her from using the makeshift Mortein flamethrower in a panic when one enters her proximity. Exciting, but potentially expensive. The new sound recording setup is working a bit better to filter out cicada madness.

[@AutoExpertJC]

I feel her pain. I have taken 30-ish funnel webs to Hornsby hospital over the years for anti-venom production... New setup worked better.

[@schrenk-d]

@@AutoExpertJC Yeah, I've had to handle a few as well. They can be aggressive little fuckers.

[@Johnno1979]

Good points on Chinese cars but I think they will be right up there well under 10 years (not all brands of course).

[@glennmcgrath4345]

Social media also said that both Honda an Nissan are going to join in making cars

[@kennethprocak5176]

The News Corp car of the year might be more aimed at the US readers who can’t buy it, and the Mexicans have been driving them for months. The US online crowd have been going across the south border and doing their test drive of private vehicals for online content since it been released months ago.

[@mik99D]

Tuesday midnight GMT?

[@mik99D]

Can't get hold of the Estwing forward hammer anymore. My Ex-wife chucked it out. Can't find another from Estwing. Any ideas? You have it on your tool board.

[@davidwoodham1307]

My grandfather used to say To car salesman he front Ned Kelly was a fucking bush's ranger

[@AaronB888]

It is the Cicadas at my end that need dealing with!

[@DrDezaro]

I think I either subconsciously tuned out the cicadas and/or didn’t realise that the noise was coming from the video as it’s in the background here too. I think it’s still coming through the microphone too.

[@whomcares3438]

Hi John, so being a country lad and doing 150klms majority hwy klms per day, I might be better sticking with petrol or diesel for now? Yes I actually need a Ute, otherwise I’d just use an EV.

[@grizzz6884]

25 25 can the genarator power the electric moters directly or only though the battery i would have thought going though the battery would shortern battery life when we we know any long range range driving is going to be all petrol unless people think long range parking is driving

[@trevthetroll]

St Vitas' dance...LOL..perfect

[@babbleboy6551]

BIN CAM, you promised bin camera

[@robinatorsmith]

Hope your enjoying the cicadas. Regards Chris Bowen.

[@stusue9733]

Why wouldn't they use the ICE engine for highway driving rather than series mode? Seems a little draft not to.

[@Mr.Cyberdude]

I'm waiting for someone like Robert Pepper from L2SFBC to fit a couple of amp clamps to the front and rear drive motors as well as the petrol driven generator to validate what is actually happening. I really want to know what the starting stalled torque is of the rear motor.

[@javic1979]

The engine would only connect to the wheels in normal driving conditions if you were to be driving up hill at the correct speed range or if it entered charge mode and the road speed was in the sweet spot for optimum charging efficiency. but driving at 110km/h it would never connect to the wheels because the engine speed would be too high for the charging system

[@davidashton6567]

The 30KW is for 3-4 Seconds, not that much of a problem

[@bwalker4194]

Damnit! Now I have to visit Costco for a hearing test!

[@myeverythingworld8123]

What narh that's 3 sets of lights in ausralya

[@billytoohey8887]

I'm glad I live on the other side the Parramatta River where funnel-webs dare not tread and cicadas sing like angels.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Lucky you - paradise...

[@snarkywombat155]

What’s wrong with Chinese manufacturing? The CCP, especially in electronics. Cyber warfare and the blatant anti-west goals of their Government should concern more people. That fact that it doesn't is truly scary. I work directly in this industry and I tell you there is going to be a point where we all look back and say collectively "Oh..."

[@KW_T9-0]

Some say take the tin foil hat off. Some say, some must live under a rock.

[@snarkywombat155]

@ sadly I wish it were. Keeps me employed though.

[@AJ29430]

Yeah re the cicadas, i did the same, turns out they were Mrs Miggins at number 47

[@Routing_for_sanity]

Hmm don’t think i’ll be vacationing down Strallia anytime soon😂 i like funnel cakes not funnel spydas

[@ldmtag]

Can anyone please record the cicadas and upload on YT?😮

[@waynemcsweeney1955]

I don't like the new camera angle. Seem a bit down Johno

[@Rockbottomsurf]

Australia isn’t the only place that has gazillions of cicadas

[@stevenbush3819]

I really enjoyed this video and have an idea i would like to run oast you is there some way of e-mailing you

[@retrozmachine1189]

'straya, where the bugs talk in hex and the birds (maggies) use MFC.