Bypassing the Seat Safety Switch - Replacing the Neutral Safety Switch

how to bypass the seat safety switch on a John Deere 2038R, and replacing the neutral safety switch. fixing an electrical problem that was causing my tractor to die
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[@dustdevl1043]

Now there's a troubleshooting guide for this problem! If people can find it. Great job Brock!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I was hoping it would help a few people down the road Thanks for watching

[@marvindiamonjr.9631]

You're not beat until you give up! Great job sticking with it and figuring things out!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@ericrice4156]

Nice, just goes to show go into the situation with a calm and open mind and anything can be fixed!!!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for watching

[@mkc0005]

Glad it was an easy fix. Electrical gremlins are usually a nightmare to get sorted out.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I guess I got lucky

[@T_Humphries]

Good work! Now we all know a little more about working on our own stuff and keeping our stuff out of the steelership

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Oh yeah, I’m sure that would’ve been at least a $500 fix

[@frankdrahos8569]

That is good news indeed. I prefer to fix things like this myself. They can be frustrating, but it’s the only way to learn.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes sir

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

Good job figuring it out.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks Hank

[@woodruffwoods]

Nice job Brock. Good advice in attacking the problem one item at a time. Glad it was just as simple as this. I must admit if the tractor was shutting off because of the backhoe, I would be scratching my head too!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

It was confusing, but I think tipping the tractor that direction was making that switch short out. Probably the spring that pushes the ball back out was weak

[@LittleCabin]

Glad you were able to fix it! I'm also glad you are documenting all of your maintenance issues and/or procedures -- good resource for me once I receive my 2038R which is about to ship!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yesterday I created a playlist just for things that Have went wrong and repairs Hopefully your tractor comes on time

[@LittleCabin]

@@RockhillfarmYT I was originally told April 22, but dealer told me yesterday it was "about to ship" so looks like I won't be disappointed with any major delay.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Great

[@vinsonhelton7141]

Appreciate the video. It helps out the others like me that have tractors with switches like yours. Also Appreciate all your efforts and time in making videos. I've been enjoying them.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I was hoping that this one might help someone who is having a frustrating day with their tractor. Thanks for watching

[@Three-leggedRanch]

Nice job, Brock. I'm glad it was not a major issue.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Me too

[@goodguysgunsllc9369]

Best news ever!!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Definitely improved my mood. Thanks for following along

[@Gzus]

Nice job! Glad you were able to fix it before taking it to the dealer! The seat safety switch just started flaking out on my X728. I tried a jumper and it fixed my issue, so I bought a replacement safety switch and it seems to be working better, but it's still not 100%.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for watching and sharing your experience

[@khtractors]

Good job diagnosing this issue! Seat safety switches are a pain. I think the biggest reason smaller tractors have them is because of people using a mid mount mower. Hopefully your problem is solved for good!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I hope so. Thanks for watching.

[@BiffsEquipment]

Glad to see you fixed it! I’ll check into this on our 2038R as well. Hopefully she will be reliable for you from now on 👍🏻

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, so far so good

[@toddw392]

Glad it was a simple fix!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Me too Thanks for watching

[@rodneyscrivner2504]

Glad its fixed buddy.👍

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Me too Thanks for watching

[@johndeno562]

Put your shopvac on the transmission fill port will keep you from losing any oil.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I never would’ve thought of that Thanks

[@RossOnTheLand]

Congratulations! Extremely happy to see good people succeed. You deserve all the best. Congratulations on hitting 15k. Oh, and thanks for making this video too.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@anthonysodl382]

Be careful running the engine in a garage. Carbon Monoxide can kill you even with the doors open. The engine exhaust should be outside. I love your videos! Great job!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@toddcaskey9984]

Great job

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@BillyP55]

Sweet! Nice part is that it doesn't have to set at the dealer for days getting diagnosed and repaired.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Exactly

[@marshmellomatey]

Good job!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@siswantoplywood]

Nice share

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks

[@andrewanderson1436]

Good deal.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Big relief having it fixed. Thanks for watching

[@andrewanderson1436]

@@RockhillfarmYT yes sir. Those pesky switches are definitely a pain in butt and like you shown their are ways to get it done lol.

[@rodbagley1686]

I feel better and it's not even my tractor. Hopefully that was the problem. I keep thinking about that darn seat switch. Like you said if I rock forward in the seat to try and see what I am doing the thing shuts off. I can see why it's on there but sure would be nice if it even gave me a second or two before it shut off.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

It’s really easy to bypass, but we all have to make the decision if we are more interested in the safety aspect or the convenience

[@rodbagley1686]

@@RockhillfarmYT don't want to die but sure would be nice to be able to see over the bucket.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I know what you mean. Mine has a wider hood and is even worse about being able to see the bucket and pallet forks

[@patrickcorbett8361]

So I'm figuring your connector was the issue , not the Neutral switch itself... Nice detective work Brock . pc

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Quite possible. The only other explanation I can think of is that there has to be a little spring that pushes that ball out and then a lever pushes the ball in. If that spring was weak then tilting the tractor could make it make contact on the switch

[@peterkoster5053]

Di electric grease is always your friend. Especially if you think you have a iffy connection.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for the tip

[@peterkoster5053]

@Rockhill farm took the box off my truck and 2 out of 6 tail light bulbs worked, checked and there was power, bulbs were good still didn't work, then added some dielectric grease and they all worked! I swear by the stuff. Hope your problem is fully resolved.

[@60Oldfart]

The seat safety switch is for old operator and in case they fell off due to stroke or heat stroke etc. etc. the machine will shut off automatic for the safety of everyone. you can add a bypass switch to keep the engine running while you get off the machine which is again pointless because it only takes 1 to 3 seconds to start the engine back up..

[@FabbedFun]

Parts for diagnostics: $100. Fuel used for diagnostics: $200 LOL. I hope it's fixed for ya!

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Pretty much how it goes these days

[@billfenner7084]

I hope that you checkout the hydro fluid so you don't have anything else that will be a problem. If you blow up the hydro system you minus well get another Timmy

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, it’s still good. I think it holds 7 gallons and I probably leaked half a quart I’m taking it in tomorrow for routine maintenance

[@simpsonstractorworks4263]

The NSS was the 1st thing I ever broke on my tractor. Ran over a stick with the front tire and it speared right into the NSS breaking it off at the block and rubbed wires bare that were in the vicinity. I was going fairly fast down my driveway when it happened and the tractor just came to an abrupt stop. That scared me more than anything...lol

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yeah, that would get your attention in a hurry Thanks for sharing

[@charlesreed6404]

KIoti (my CK3510SE) which is junk, has a recall on my safety switch. Was doing the same thing....They replaced the entire seat bottom including all the seat safety switch components. I would never disconnect a safety device or remove an OEM guard in any way. Asking for trouble. You should hold JD accountable. You paid a lot of money for that tractor.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

True. I put the seat safety switch back together after figuring out the real problem

[@jimmcknight3021]

Whoo hoo got it done. 👍

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes sir

[@dwayneloftice2326]

Good review and analysis, Brock. Just need to know.....will you be supplementing JD's Owner's Manuals with procedures to suggest for diagnosing problems?

[@RockhillfarmYT]

That is truly funny Thanks

[@genewilliams7497]

Gotta ask yourself the questions…. How did the pilgrims ever kill game with out camouflage? How did we ever survive as a species without air bags? How did farmers ever grow anything with out safety switches on their equipment? I say that we are dumbing down as a people always blaming someone else for a problem instead of thinking for ourselves! Lawyers and the blame game are TOTALLY the cause for all the unnecessary safety crap that doesn’t help a lick!! If you don’t have enough sense NOT to reach in around an operating PTO shaft……YOU DO NOT NEED TO OPERATE EQUIPMENT PERIOD!! Common sense is the endangered species in the world that we live in today!! Glad you ran the issue down. By pass everything you can and your life will get much better with out any future problems

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I see a lot of truth in what you are saying. Part of it comes down to the legal system awarding judgments on lawsuits. If someone does something stupid and can sue for millions of dollars when it was their own fault, then the manufacturer starts to put more and more things like this on the machine My wife and daughters went on a girls weekend so I’m stuck in the house with a whole bunch of grandkids. I’ve been watching these guys build log cabins on KZbin all by hand and thinking about how people used to do things People get mad at me for not having the chain on the plastic cover that goes over the PTO. I don’t think it matters. At all.

[@genewilliams7497]

@@RockhillfarmYT Brock you are so so right! We need self accountability back for sure! You keep doing what you do! You have a great channel ad are a very genuine person!! I look forward to each video that you post for sure!! Good luck with the gaggle of grand kids and have a great weekend!! 👍

[@kendrury3713]

@@RockhillfarmYT Bush Hog brand rotary tillers has stopped using chains on their pto shields.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Good for bush hog. They are an older brand that might have some common sense. I got a bunch of negative comments about mine, so I’ve had this discussion several times about the purpose of those chains and how they could hypothetically let you know if the bearing in the plastic shield is bad. For me it’s just one more thing to mess with and the chains always seem to break because they’re so thin. They are not keeping anyone safe is my opinion

[@kendrury3713]

@@RockhillfarmYT My 2021 NH Boomer rear pto runs when you get off the operators platform but the mid pto engaged shuts it off.

[@jeffreygardiner5733]

Brock would you think if the plastic was cocked it would leak fluid? Mine appears to have got hit by a stick and is leaking pretty good. Hoping it’s the plastic as it looks cocked. Gonna pick up a new one tomorrow.

[@joenotosr.2649]

Hey, Thanks for sharing this. My 1025 has done this since day one and I thought this was the issue also. I usually place a wadded up towel in front of the heat shift so it won’t move and that works however I would like to fix it right. Would you happen to have a price for the switch and a part number to order? Also I wonder if you have had any issues with it shutting down since you did this fix? Thanks again Joe, Lindley, Ny

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I did not save the part number, although my local dealership was able to look it up and get it for me pretty quickly. I have not had any more problems since

[@joenotosr.2649]

@@RockhillfarmYT okay thank you so much

[@itis.donjonesitis.donjones1502]

HOW MANY “RPM” at high mode???

[@itis.donjonesitis.donjones1502]

PS. Please keep your video coming, Thanks.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

If I understand the question correctly it goes to around 2700 RPM on the gauge

[@deluxproductionsPRO]

I’ve been a longtime subscriber to you and your ventures for about 6 years now do I get a prize?

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes, I will bring it to your house It will probably look a lot like a coffee mug

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Holla for 15k

[@charlesbessenbach6252]

My mother in law had a tractor at one point that a jumper wouldn't work on. Apparently some are backwards, so sitting on it would open the circuit instead of closing it. (Probably due to the safety concerns) Just throwing that out there in case anyone tries this and it disables theirs instead.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Thanks for sharing

[@vernonmontgomery4824]

Mind shut off when I put it in gear

[@tomkeating65]

Or, just un-ohsa the tractor and never worry about it again. That's what I would've done. Actually, that's what I have done. 🤔🤔🙄

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I’m thinking about putting that jumper back in the safety switch for the seat. That would be really handy when running the stump grinder or wood chipper Not to mention when you accidentally shut it off just moving

[@davidegan3280]

As the dealer was pulling out of my driveway after delivering the tractor new, I was heading into the shop to build the jumper wire.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I don’t blame you guys at all for doing that. Being on KZbin I Try to be careful what I say about bypassing safety 😉

[@cashxx]

All that safety stuff is BS and just causes problems. I can see the seat one. But the one to go into reverse with the deck on, shift to neutral, etc is all BS. If you need those safeties in place, you probably shouldn't be running a tractor! But these days, everyone wants to sue even though it's their fault. After my parents got a zero turn I went up and took the old tractor they had and I used all my childhood that was a White GT-1855 and all of the safety switches were bad. I pulled all of the yellow wire that connected all of the safety switches and jumped the wire for the whole system and never had an electrical issue again.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

I hear you

[@outdoorswithlarryrobin]

Hello Brock, It should be called a pain in the ass switch! I totally removed mine on our Kubota MX5100 four years ago🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Yes sir