Life Is Too Short To Use a Crappy Computer! | Byte Size Tech

[@davidhodge0201]

I went from a 3700x and 32gb ram to a 5900x and 64gb of ram and I can tell a big difference between the 2 but I can't really describe it. Fast, smooth, reliable, great from multitasking etc. I'm happy with my purchase.

[@ByteSizeTech]

TO ALL: If you are on a tight budget, keep your 3700x, it's an AWESOME CPU for the money. On the other hand, don't listen to anyone who tells you "there's no reason to upgrade", because they are simply wrong. It's just a money issue, do it if you can afford it.

[@davidhodge0201]

@@ByteSizeTech thanks tech and rouge

[@curlycardboardrectangles2626]

I'm there with you ... I went from a 2600 on a 450 board with 32gb to a 5900x on a 550 with 64 gb and it is NIGHT AND DAY difference

[@nikkeipvck8529]

why do you need this much ram?

[@davidhodge0201]

@@nikkeipvck8529 I don't "need" that much ram. But at the time of purchasing, ram was dirt cheep all things considered and I had run into limitations with the 32 gb beforehand. Now of course you could say "you should manage open tasks and background usage" etc. But I don't have to now. It's one less thing that I have to worry about. And just to prove my particular point. I'm playing a game right now and memory usage is hovering around 38gb currently. So technically, the way that I use my computer I do "need" more than 32 gb.

[@FieryWalrus]

People are short sighted and only see their computer as a gaming device and not a tool. But they're the same people who get the new flagship iPhone every 2 years yet complained the entire time about GPUs being a couple hundred dollars over MSRP.

[@alberto6769]

@DinosaurAge Oh yeah it should man the 2700x is a great CPU even to this day

[@elchicovip01]

Tech! I decided to listen to you and bought a 5900x. I cannot notice the difference between a 2600 and a 5900x on daily task. Now, the only difference is when I set my ram to 2400MT from 3200MT and clockspeed from 4.6GHz all core and 4.9GHz peak to 3.7 all cores no boost. At this power saving preset single core task take 2 to 3 times longer. Btw, about 8 of my cores are idle at all times unless I am doing productivity.

[@josh4434]

I've gone from crappy pre-built to a custom 5900X/6800XT "enthusiast" level build with advice from this channel. Took almost a year to source parts that I wanted, but it was worth every penny. I LOVE this computer. Can't wait to build again in two years. Thanks guys!

[@latlanticcityphil]

Same here too.

[@midgetspinner7007]

2 years? That's all you expect it to last

[@Harambe8]

@@midgetspinner7007 he can resell it, and a little bit more and get premium experience again. Technology is developing fast...

[@briangrant9942]

what type of cooling are you using?

[@josh4434]

@@Harambe8 I'm going to give this build to my son. He's a little too young right now, but when I'm ready to build again he'll be ready for his own PC.

[@Rivenrock]

Going from 4 cores to 5950x 16 cores was awesome! I went for 64GB even though the people I know said 16 'would do'. I love it all!

[@C0d0ps]

There's plenty of games that can use more than 16gb ram - this is with mods but still Mods are fun

[@CoasterCoat]

@@C0d0ps thats why 32 gb cl16 3600 RAM is the perfect amount for the next 3-5 years id say. 64 is overkill if youre just gaming and using a few programs.

[@CoasterCoat]

@ResistanceofNWO Why DDR5? ITs overpriced and has no extra value for Gaming for the most part. It ONLY makes sense if DDR5 comes down to DDR4 prices and if youre planning on doing a new build

[@LuciferXV]

@@C0d0ps escape from tarkov regularly uses 16gb and its just the game, no mods.

[@C0d0ps]

@@LuciferXV I've seen so many reddit people complaining about bad optimisation while 32gb ram owners just chill it's wild how good having more than 16gb ram can be for some games

[@CoasterCoat]

Went from a i7 4770 GTX 1060 to a 5900x RTX 3070 ti setup. Bought a $400 Dell (s2721dgf) 1440p monitor and honestly the MONITOR is what makes you appreciate a good pc upgrade. DONT BUY A HIGH END PC if you plan on using a crappy 1080p monitor. My old Pc still ran super fast cuz it had an ssd

[@Bdot888]

Even going from a cheap 1080p monitor to a better 1080p monitor at 144hz was a big difference to me. I cant imagine how big the jump will be to 4k 144hz one day when im in a better financial situation to push that type of monitor to the limits!

[@jazon9]

Always go most top CPU you can. it is sooo important. Change GPU is easy, change CPU is like bulid new PC.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Yes, true

[@dallesamllhals9161]

OFF with cooler-insert new CPU-paste-cooler back on? Oh! You mean New Socket?

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@DinosaurAge Sry' Sister...never had any problems with CPU coolers (1997-now) Lotsa' Sockets and Coolers during the years ;-P

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@DinosaurAge Just SO tired of: Bruh,Bro Bra etc.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@DinosaurAge ..you have no idea how much...

[@alaskanassassin7332]

My lovely Irish grandpa raised me on 2 tongue in cheek points 1. Life is too short to date ugly women and 2. Life is too short to drink cheap beer. I’m gonna add point 3 to my kids 3. Life is too short to use a crappy computer

[@SylphidUndine]

“You get what you pay for” is what i keep saying to console players when they complain about the low settings low FPS

[@C0d0ps]

At least with these new consoles they get features like Ray tracing and that's amazing. Fast download and loading times as well. Ps5 costs more than ps4 but is worth every penny. It is so pretty and quiet and all sorts of good things.

[@latlanticcityphil]

For real, hahaha!

[@mryellow6918]

These are the same type of people that will leave a bad review on a ultrawide 120hz and complain its not hdmi 2.1 and their ps5 doesn't work on it.

[@mrrod3004]

So why do the pc versions of the games usually have alot more issues lolol? These saying are bullshit lol. Went from ddr4 to ddr5 3200 cl16 to 6000. No difference but spent 2 grand on mobo and ram lolol.

[@SylphidUndine]

@@mrrod3004 more settings. more options.

[@fskate2]

I bought 32gb of RAM based on your recommendation and was very surprised by how much of a difference it made for my use case. Now I am in the process of upgrading to a 5950 and a Dark Power 12 1000W PSU, due to your recommendations.

[@Cxs1a3]

He ricomminds 64, and looks down on 32, that was like 5 videos ago

[@Ruby_Mochii]

32gb is fine, but if you need more than that then go 64gb. Can't really go wrong if you need it.

[@MIJ-Tech]

Several years ago, I had upgraded from a Core 2 Quad 9505S (formerly Pentium E6500) to a Ryzen 5 1600. I "missed an upgrade" as well, but was in no financial position to build a new computer between those systems. Those times have changed, and I'm now ready to switch over to a 5900X. I just helped my younger brother source parts to upgrade his aging 4730K/1050ti system to a 5900X/3070ti. I about spit out my food when he said he wanted his build to last 10 years! He originally wanted a 3060, thinking it was "high end." Needless to say, I've had to educate him. I've also been able to help him make wiser decisions on his cooler, RAM, SSD, PSU, all while helping him stay within his $2000 budget. (The old computer will be passed down to his children.) Just as my experience in upgrading was an eye-opening moment, I can't wait to see his reaction when he gets his new computer built. Thank you for your advice over the years to help make the most out of my computing dollars.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Thank you for watching and sharing your story… totally understand about the financial stuff.

[@Bdot888]

Its very satisfying to help loved ones build a great pc! I know he will be blown away with that build!

[@highlanderknight]

I have to agree for the most part. Now, prior to getting an RTX 3080 in the NewEgg Shuffle last year and doing an entirely new build (5900x etc) I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 with a GTX 1660ti and a 4790k (OC'D 4.6 all core) 1440p and it was OK. It struggled but I had fun enough. New build, night and day, especially with RT at 4K (thank you DLSS). So the experience is better and hopefully I should be good for a few years at least.

[@imo098765]

I had a similar experience, my gtx 1060 6GB was enough turning down settings a bit, cyberpunk came out and said we you need 1080p low settings and I bought the first 3070 at a decent price because crypto was taking off. if i didnt buy now, i probably wouldnt have bought it till today. So happy I did

[@itstheweirdguy]

People need to understand that Gamers Nexus, and other KZbin channels are trying to show you the difference BETWEEN different parts. At least on the GN side they clearly state that this is all about gaming, and make no claims that their benchmarks are all inclusive. Steve at GN regularly explains how more cores and threads show better .1 percent lows in many situations as he goes over results. Things that can't be benchmarked can't be benchmarked! Tech Deals is about deals!

[@davidmacfarlane4761]

Personally, I consider Gamers Nexus to be the Gold Standard of hardware tech journalism. Their content is brutally honest, and keeps the big hardware tech companies in check when it comes to shady business practices.

[@deansigman6099]

Yup. Why from a 6700k to r9 3900x. Didn't see much difference at first. Went back to the 6700k and was shocked at the difference. (Needless to say I'm back to the 3900x)

[@RickSanchez167]

My fiance is a Realtor and when we met 2 years ago, she used to work on a crappy old like 2015 4 core AMD laptop with 4GB ram and a HDD. I noticed that and gave her my old computer with a Ryzen 1700, 16GB RAM, an NVME SSD, slapped dual monitors on it, and it absolutely blew her mind how much more productive she could be. Mind you, she doesnt game, or edit or do anything power user related. She exclusively browses the internet, and has PDF/ other documents open. Was an absolute game changer for her. When Ethereum mining ends, im gonna upgrade her to my old 3700x that is on my mining rig, and 32GB ram

[@Bdot888]

The 5900x is so cheap now its definitely worth the upgrade. I am sure going from my 3600x to that would be a crazy difference overall in windows and gaming

[@athlon64x29]

Upgraded from a 3900X to a 10900K because the Ryzen kept dipping in action-packed areas in competitive FPS games, OC'd the hell out of my RAM while I was at it too. What an amazing CPU, no more frustrating dips. Hard to find good advice anymore, thanks Tech Deals for the truth!!!

[@hexadelgro5588]

Upgraded from Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 9 5900X saw massive cpu spike drop from 100% to 50% whenever apex legends is loaded from the data center. It only took a mere 5 seconds for the 5900X to simmer down to under 10% while you have to wait for a good 10 to 15 seconds for the 3600 to drop back at idle game usage. Most people will not notice the spike happening in the background without the stats from afterburner but it is worth noting that the 5900X has already delivered and awaiting the next task while 3600 is still running in 100%. If you were to do anything beyond gaming at that time, you might even hear audio crackling due to cpu bottleneck.

[@iangonzalez6171]

Every time I hear Ian. Lol best channel ever. Seriously I started out from an 1800x build with a 1060 with a sata hard drive. Then a 2700x with a 1080ti. Then a 3700x with a 2080 super. Now the final product 5950x with a 3090. The difference and improvement felt with each transition was nuts. Now it feels like my computer is a genie and just grants wishes. If people don't believe there's a difference go try this: go use a computer with a regular old hard drive and then one with an NMVE drive. That step alone blew people's mind out of the water! It's that big of an impact going from junk to high end.

[@Bdot888]

Awesome build! Do you use a 4k 60hz monitor? I would love to try out 4k gaming eventually but i hope 4k 144hz monitors become more mainstream and affordable bc i just love high refresh rate gaming overall

[@johnjensen7738]

went from an i5 9400f and 16gb ram to a i7 12700 and 32gb ram... best investment EVER

[@festivus7065]

I went from a R7 3700X to a R9 5900X this year, and while that doesn't sound like a huge jump, I actually DO notice those extra 4 cores when doing many tasks on a multimonitor setup. I'm quite sure that difference will only be amplified over the coming years, too. Now I've got a game running on 1 monitor, and on the other I'm watching KZbin with multiple browsers open and multitasking while gaming. And it's all buttery smooth. My one mistake was going for a RX 6800 in February. Had I waited another month, I'd have a 6900 XT sitting in my machine right now for the same price. I love the 6800 but I'll really be kicking myself for that one down the road.

[@ByteSizeTech]

“Buttery Smooth” is my new favorite catch phrase. To be fair, 3700X is just fine for many people, don’t misunderstand. If you’re not multitasking, you can rock a 3700X for several more years. Upgrading isn’t worthless, however… if you can afford it, rock on.

[@pipis_papas403]

Went from an old amd apu laptop to a 3700x, 32gb of ram and 144hz monitor my windows experience the past year was sooo good that when i use sometimes my old laptop i am like how did i even use this so many years lol. (32gigs was because of your recommendations, not regreting it at all with 40+ tabs on opera easy)

[@Bdot888]

them old AMD cpus/apus were so bad even for the time. I had a fx 6300 for 5 years and didnt know what i was missing out on until upgrading to ryzen and 144hz as well. Also 32gb was a big jump even from 16gb, you never have to worry about closing anything out in task manager!

[@ASPEDBUSDRIVER1]

2 years ago, I had only ever used my laptops that were dual core (for context, I'm not a gamer but I do music production and send a lot of time on my machines.) Buddy at work was upgrading, offered to sell me his old build: (9700k, mobo, power supply, ect.) Didn't think I NEEDED it but he only wanted $200 for everything. 48 hours later after experiencing what a 8 core 9700k can do, I realize how I NEEDED that machine 24 months ago. This machine still does what I need it to, but I realize even still, I NEED to at least upgrade to the 13600k in the next 12 months. Can't quite afford to just yet, but this machine is just spoiling me right now and I want my next one to do the same and better. Sometimes we don't know what we need until we have it. I can't justify a 13900k I9 for the money. My current 9700k made me fall in love with the i7 so I was thinking about the 13700k. But then this channel or your other one opened my mind to the i5 13600k with 14 cores(I think I would like my next build to be my last one on DDR4. Then maybe I upgrade and go DDR5 last time?)

[@jGRite]

I like the idea of having a low power computer and a high power computer. Something simple that stays on for basic stuff, and something for SPEED.

[@markh351]

Yes! I have a dedicated gaming PC, and then my former gaming PC has been relegated to the role of Internet/everyday PC for everything else. Great combo. This also has the effect of keeping my gaming PC clutter-free.

[@vivisimonvi]

@@markh351 People think we're impractical for having this kind of setup but I absolutely love it! I like using the "everyday" PC to look up game guides when I can't window out or it's an inconvenience while gaming on the main rig (main rig also mines on the side which slows it down considerably). Side note, I'm also having issues with one computer where it's shutting off everyday and have no idea what's happening. Having a backup PC is a godsend while I figure out the issue (and troubleshooting could take days/weeks). This can happen to any PC whether it's new or old.

[@markh351]

@@vivisimonvi I think it's great also! I do allow little things like KZbin for looking up hard parts of a game where I am stuck, and maybe Twitch TV on occasion on my gaming rig, but that's about it. No e-mail, no social media, no web surfing, no documents, etc.. Trying to keep it as clean as possible. I run CCleaner here and there also. My gaming rig with it's B450 chipset has had some weirdness too like occasionally turning off right after it gets past the BIOS screen on a cold boot and the occasional MEMORY_MANAGEMENT blue screen that I could never troubleshoot. But I just updated the BIOS a week and a half ago and it's been good so far, so fingers crossed!

[@HEXZ0R-]

i went from i7-8700k @5GHz all core 1070ti for 4 yerars to 5900x and 3080TI , even tho i do exact same things on my new rig , it just feels better, u have to use it to feel it

[@neuideas]

"Crappy" is all relative. I understand what's being said here, and I certainly am not going to be content with an entry level machine, but what is satisfactory for me may be underpowered or overpowered to someone else. I have made sure that each of my computer builds have been unambiguous upgrades to the machines they replace. By and large, they tended to be relatively underpowered on the video card side of things, but they have always been able to run what I want to play. My 1999 build used an S3 Savage 3D card and a Celeron 366. Its upgrade was a TNT2. The upgrade to that one was a GeForce 2 and a Pentium 3 550 (O/C'd to 733). I hit a bit of a snag after that, and didn't have enough money for a worthy video card upgrade, so I settled for a GeForce 4 MX440, which got me from 2003-2009, just barely (mated to an AMD Athlon 2200XP and 512 megs of RAM). My 2009 build used a 9600GSO, mated to a Phenom II X3 710 and 2 gigs of DDR2 RAM. I upgraded the RAM twice (first to 4 gigs, then to 8), the CPU once (to a Phenom II X6) and the video card once, to a GTX 460. My 2014 build used an Intel i5 2400, 16 gigs of DDR3 RAM, a 180 gig SATA SSD, and 2 1.5TB Seagate hard drives, with a GTX 560 Ti as the video card. I built another system a year later, and used the two machines concurrently. The 2015 build was a Xeon E3 1230V3 with 32 gigs of DDR3 RAM and a GTX 560Ti 448 core edition, which I only replaced a few months ago. My two machines currently are an i5 10400, 32 gigs of RAM, mated to the same 560Ti I used in the i5 2400 build, and an i5 12600KF, 32 gigs of RAM, sporting a GTX 1650 for its video card. I have every intention of replacing the 560Ti next, money permitting. Maybe I'll spring for a GTX 1660, put it in the 12600KF system, and move the 1650 to the bedroom machine. We'll see what happens when the time comes. Are my systems ever ideal? Nope. Do they disappoint me? Almost never. Well, the Athlon 2200XP system got pretty swamped by the time I replaced it. It had difficulty running 480p streaming video on Hulu, and even struggled to run Everquest well. I was in a bad financial spot at that point, and I had to make do until I could afford an upgrade.

[@ByteSizeTech]

All very fair points, thank you for a detailed and thought out reply.

[@realnamesnotgiven6193]

I do want to build a new computer, currently using a i7 7700 with a 6600xt. Thinking about Raptor lake or AM5 . $2000 budget.

[@C0d0ps]

Idk if my comment removed so I'll repost it Phones are finicky

[@julioalarcon4064]

Your videos are so interesting and funny at the same time... I enjoy it as always ;)

[@Kuroganemk2]

That was like me playing overwatch with barely 30 fps on my laptop and then I bought a desktop to go to 75 hz monitor thinking that would be a super upgrade, then I bought a 144hz monitor like half a year later xD

[@C0d0ps]

144hz pc and phone screens are so nice.

[@RicochetForce]

@@C0d0ps IMo, they're the display equivalent of running a PC off SSD. The fluidity, responsiveness and clarity feels so good on the eyes and your hands.

[@Bdot888]

Honestly once you experience that 144hz there is no turning back to 60hz. Way too smooth and better on the eyes!

[@williamregal8503]

Just brought my brother a 1660 Ti coming from a GTX 960

[@eddie.b.]

I just went from i7-6700 gtx960 to i9-12900 RTX3060 ...like going from riding a bicycle to driving a Lambo

[@davidwooten7212]

That is a huge upgrade, but to be honest you would have had the same experience with a 12600K and same GPU. You may need the 12900, as I don't know your use case, but i contend that most users do not need to purchase top of the line to get 5-6 years of good functionality out of their PC.

[@rileyhance318]

with how good budget stuff is it kind of doesnt make any sense to not get something like a 12400f and a 3060

[@zenbyo]

I listened to this on the podcast and that night spent the money to upgrade from my 7700k to a 12700k. Thanks.

[@greenlight9896]

Thank you for being the older uncle to me, Tech! I used to believe the mindset of "Buy mid-tier right now, upgrade in 2 years!" --- Once I began watching your videos, I got my 5950x with 64 GB of RAM and a Gen 4 NVME and now I will be good for several years before I need to upgrade~ Net saves money! :D

[@onomatopoeia162003]

right on. Would rather buy once than twice. :)

[@Bdot888]

Going from a 2060 and 3600x to a 5700x and 3080 was a great jump in gaming performance and regular day to day windows usage. I dont have to worry about closing out tabs and discord when gaming. Life is too short to have a pc that only survives but not thrives!

[@spinm0ve]

I primarily play Hunt: Showdown. I started playing that game on an i5-6500, 16GB of RAM, and RX480 8GB. Probably averaged 50-60fps @ 1080p. Upgraded to 3700X, 32 GB of RAM, RTX3070 and now average 120fps @ 1440p. Wish I would’ve done a 3900X/5900X and 3080. Next upgrade will be the Fall of 2023 and will be ALL flagship parts and 64GB of RAM as the wife will get my old PC for occasional casual gaming @ 1080p.

[@darklink3644]

Life Is Too Short To Use a Crappy Computer... put on coffee mug....Love it!!

[@HVDynamo]

I went from a 4770k to a 5950X. I do tend to like to stretch my builds as far as I can though. I like to really feel the upgrade (and I certainly did in this case!). But I did have the 4770k Overclocked and whatnot.

[@leet0]

i upgraded from 8 core to 16 core. even through my FPS in games was maybe 10+ fps boost. But the BIGGEST difference I see less studders and frame drops in games now, and it is WAY more smoother experience. Plus the bonus of everything else on the PC running smoother and launching faster as well especially when multi tasking makes experience so much better. I don't think I'm ever going to buy lower end CPU's ever again xD.

[@jamsgames8742]

I advised my friend about a year ago to get an ssd and a better monitor but he said that you cant see the difference between a hdd and the human eye cant see more then 60fps/hz... I put him behind my pc with my nvme 970 evo 240hz and 3070ti. and I let him play on my pc and I even let him launch windows and start up and update all the games. on my 1 gigabit fiber optic internet. ( he was using wifi) He bought a ssd and an Ethernet cable a day later😂 sometimes you just have to experience things before you realise that you need to upgrade XD

[@dylangirard4670]

I just upgraded from the 3700x to the 5900x. And suddenly all my performance issues in elden ring went away just like that

[@markh351]

Awesome to hear! Sounds like the game is poorly optimized on PC in some way. A game here in 2022 should not need that high of a CPU to run properly. Interesting that it seems to run just fine on console with their 8 core CPU's, but this could be because they have uniform hardware whereas on the PC there are endless hardware configurations. Regardless, glad it is running well for you!

[@dylangirard4670]

@@markh351 thanks! I actually first played the game on Xbox series x and it ran flawlessly. But then gpu prices started to drop so I bought a 6700xt and sold the Xbox. And immediately noticed how stuttery the game is on pc. But it does look a lot better on max settings. I think the game still stutters with the 5900x just it doesn’t drop below the 60 cap so I don’t notice It

[@Ruby_Mochii]

Elden Ring is fairly optimised, though I'd say its rougher on older lesser hardware. It surprises me that it even works somewhat decent on old hardware while looking almost settings are on ultra even set to low. I kept getting stutters pre-patch on Elden Ring but, since then I haven't felt it. I stop getting stutters since I upgraded to 5900x from 2700x. Everything is much smoother, I just lock the frames to 144. I also upgraded everything else.

[@markh351]

@@Ruby_Mochii Makes sense. The 8-core CPU's inside of the current gen consoles did not have stuttering problems with the game, but they are newer CPU's. The recommended CPU for Elden Ring for PC is a Ryzen 5 3600, which is also a newer chip in the grand scale of things. Glad the patch helped sort everything out.

[@anthonysmith6413]

I think one of the bigger problems regarding upgrades in your discussions is the price/performance aspect. I watch you long enough to know it's not your intention but in my opinion it's not always that people don't want to hear the truth but rather don't get the answers they're looking for. A typical answer includes a Rogue testimony, a viewers testimony and your own. All of those in general atleast are on a 5800x or higher lvl. This is where you lose a lot of people. Some people first watch their wallet and then the performance. And it sometimes feels like you tell them it's the wrong way to think. Best example "6c/12t is all you need" and "16GB Ram for Gaming" for atleast 2 years you talk down on it. I understand you mention your usecase and so on. But often your answer is "buy 8/16 and 32GB or wait till you have enough money. 6/12 and 16GB is stupid." Although you are probably well aware of the fact that there are people who are perfectly fine with both for example 8700k/16GB or 5600x/16GB. And people know that and sometimes they also just don't want to wait any longer because they already waited to be able to afford the 6/12 or 16GB. The "if you can't afford A, you shouldn't buy B" statement also somewhat goes into that direction. In my opinion you'd be much more relatable to go the more diplomatic route of "hey, I would suggest you spend more and get better hardware but there are people happy with it so maybe you are one of them. I still think it's a bad choice but I also know sometimes one just doesn't want to wait anymore." I myself run a i9/2080ti/32GB/38inch-144hz combo and am more than happy with it but even I often feel like I'm missing out on life changing performance when watching your videos and how great the newer and shinier hardware is supposed to be. And I bet it is a lot better but I also bet you are atleast a 100% more perceptible to performance differences than I am. This statement is for sure not that diplomatic but I realy think you should have more viewers because there are plenty of people who would benefit not only from your hardware advise but also from your Papa Deals advise. But if midrange/lowend people can't be bothered to watch your hardware advise they definetly won't see your Papa Deals advise. And Papa Deals on the other hand helps them to get out of the midrange/lowend earning spectrum.

[@ByteSizeTech]

I don’t mind people gaming on a i7-8700k or R5 2600x today because they were purchased 4-5 years ago. What bothers me are new purchases today.

[@crazywall256]

I have a i7 11700k with rtx3080. Has this current rig for about a year now came from a 3600 and with my 3080 and it was a decent change not life changing but like he explained “faster loading screens, faster downloads”, just scrolling was faster. All I’m going to say is playing fallout 4 heavily modded that just uses stupid amount cpu usage and vram was a lot smoother but I wait another year or 2 because with the current rate of games cpu cores will be a must have at around 16 or more.

[@vi_EviL_iv]

Save money. Build as high end as you can. Enjoy for 5-6 years before any upgrade or even a new build. Forgot, best part, I can finally edit 2 videos at the same time, edit my subtitles, surf web, have office running for my document, conpressing a file to save, print some paper and my cpu is barely breaking a sweat usage 70% with room to spare. My 64gb ram belarely breaks a sweat too being used at 50% at times with 50% left of space. Totally new world from a crappie pre-built PC to a custom build (my 1st built). Never looking back.

[@RicochetForce]

This is exactly what I do. I build for a 5-6 year run, making sure I get parts that will work well into the future without any need to swap motherboards, etc... Then I build and I begin saving up for the next build 6 years from now. Every single time I've done this I've been vindicated for buying higher a higher spec part than most would recommend because it would get me an extra year or two of great performance, rather than saving a $150 and having middling performance 3 years in.

[@HVDynamo]

@@RicochetForce This is what I like to do as well. I also like to feel the upgrade so I like to wait until it starts to struggle to give me the performance I want/need. Then I upgrade and go big. I went from a 4770k to 5950X this round, but I kept my 1080Ti from the last build due to availability issues. But honestly with the games I play the 1080Ti still does a damn good job all things considered. At least now it has a shot at being the bottleneck for a bit instead of the CPU like in the 4770K before it. I'm looking to get a 4080 or 4080Ti to finally replace it finally when those are launched.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

Phenom II 1100T here! Guess i'll live long - NOT caring about being a FIRSTMOVER anymore...Hey I had fun! From the late 90s to the early 2010s ;-)

[@pascaldifolco4611]

I'm slapping myself some as well, kept my 4470K for 6 years before getting a 3900X (in 2019).. But well that chip was a pickup truck, powerful but not very fast, upgraded to 5900X after 1 year and happy with it, that's a FAST pickup truck ! 😬 But I do think all of these are first world problems, most people just buy what they can afford, and unfortunately spend eventually more on bad parts that can't stand time...It's true for many areas other than PCs, be they cars, houses...

[@Bdot888]

Very true, most of the time it costs more in the long run to cheap out on certain things in life especially with tech

[@michaeldejesus7576]

I went from a Ryzen 5 3600 16GB and gtx 1080 to a Ryzen 9 5900x 64GB RTX 4080 super and now I want to go from 1080p to at least 1440p so much faster and the frame time is so smooth!!!!!! When I use Google my web pages open faster like I click it and in opens. Watching Netflix or Paramount + the videos no longer buffer or freeze on me!!!!!!!!!!

[@kindaGrim]

You get what you pay for unless its a prebuilt from Alienware and walmart

[@justinspires9151]

It's important to note the difference between real world use and the ideal test platform. Benchmarking is a way to compare like for like, under optimal conditions. This DOES NOT reflect what the average consumer will encounter. An ideal benchmark is what we strive to attain and gives a point of reference for the maximum achievable performance.

[@capitaldd3693]

Great video, as usual. We've come to expect professionalism and great content, so far so good(No pressure though..😉..)...👍 When Rogue switched to the i9-10850k, what was the change in Ram associated with the swap..? Just curious..... Thanks

[@C0d0ps]

I would imagine she has 32gb ram minimum but most probable is 64 gb ram Tech recently went from 64gb to 128gb ram so I would imagine she got his ram

[@evacody1249]

When I'm gaming I have my main 1440p 144hz monitor going for the games and my 1080p 144hz monitor for everything else. The 32gigs of ram help. Now do I need to rush put and upgrade my 8core Ryzen 7 3700x? Maybe but not right now. But once a get about 1440p monitor yes I will want to upgrade the CPU to a Ryzen 9.

[@codyguy2643]

I went from a i7 930 to a r5 3600. I probably will never Dwaine that long again

[@ЛюбомирДинков]

Hi Tech! I'm still rocking a Phenom II 960T on one of my systems. Does all I ask of it just fine. Got a 1440p 75Hz IPS monitor, 16Gb of 1600 MHz DDR3, a 1TB SATA SSD and a 6600XT, and in War Thunder i'm GPU limited. I've been doing some "musical chairs" with my GPUs, when I buy a better one it goes in the best system (5900X, now with a 6900XT), and I move the rest downwards and then sell the weakest. That's how I ended with this combination. Mind you, this system started with a HD4890 1GB on a 19" CRT, went through a HD5870 2GB, RX 580 8GB on a 1080p TN, RX 5600XT and a RX 5700. Next in line is a RX 6700 XT. I may retire the PC after that...

[@obeliskt1024]

Title of this vid is true. You know what they say, time is money. So if you use a slow/old/low-end computer, you wait for it to do what it's supposed to do. Slower computer = more time waiting... more time waiting = more wasted time... wasted time = wasted money... And then again, if you don't have the means that is respected. But if you're not a disabled person(tbf even a disabled person can get a job) then work hard, save up and then buy the gear!

[@C0d0ps]

I have limited time gaming when I work full time so I don't want to sit and wait for game downloads and updates and loading screens. I buy what I can so I can use that time for other stuff like cooking great food. Food also takes time.

[@obeliskt1024]

@@C0d0ps you seem like a perfect customer for cloud gaming platforms like geforce now/stadia etc.

[@C0d0ps]

@@obeliskt1024 they only offer 60 fps which doesn't meet my 240 fps criteria for competitive games I do have a good Internet connection but I don't like the extra latency. I only consider cloud gaming when I'm using my mom's laptop not in my personal pc

[@melbournesadventures]

I am one of these people. 5600x to 5900x

[@scotane7753]

I totally agree,,we need to see Real World testing with a Normal PC not a stripped down test bench only running benchmark software.

[@AetiusPraetorian]

Looking to upgrade my now aging i5-7600k 16gb Z270MB to either an i7 12700k 32gb/64gb or wait to see what the AM5 has to offer. Will continue using my old but trusty GTX 1660 ti/OC for awhile longer or until the GPU market gets back to more reasonable prices...

[@markbayhon]

I love watching this Byte Size Tech video.

[@Gaming_with_Martin]

I have gone from AMD A6-5200 a low end 4 core CPU to Ryzen 7 5800X I have never regretted upgrading to a high end CPU it's the best choice ever do it now the CPU'S are affordable and it will be the best move ever

[@StgVirus1]

I agree, going from a laptop i5 (4 core) to my 10900K was a huge upgrade that I noticed. It's worth paying the extra money to get a better PC. My next PC will be a 14900K.

[@Bdot888]

its exciting to think of what advancements in pc tech will be in just a couple years. I am looking forward to the 4000 series nvidia cards and the am5 platform

[@pocpc1788]

Once high end stay high end. The premium experiences is worth it for me.

[@Gaming_with_Martin]

I totally agree with the current advancements in CPU and GPU you can get yourself a good CPU at good cost too that won't break your bank

[@EVIL19231]

What are you talking about Rogue? I have I7-10700K, want to bet i will be able to play all new games for years to come?

[@C0d0ps]

Mom get the camera, I'm on KZbin!

[@rashoff]

Bought a 5900X when shortages started to stop last May. Know it's a year later and I'd rather have it for a year than just to get it now but I'm mad that the 5950X now costs what I paid for the 5900X. I had abused the 5900X to an extent for a while and saw I could leverage the 5950X. I'll stay where I'm at though.

[@denisdavidek]

I saved money and went from i7 4790 to R9 3950X in December 2019. I was blown away and I still am. When I am upgrading I usually wait a bit to get the most out of the current high-end components. I am using 3440*1440 widescreen, 48 GB of RAM, and Radeon VII targeting 100 Hz with less than 2000 RPM. I would like to either go 4k widescreen in the future or add a second 4k 120 Hz OLED panel/tv with increasing to 144 Hz and the RPM would not reach 2000. Would you recommend upgrading from 3950X to 5950X after I switch to an RDNA 3 GPU(probably 7800XT)? I do not think that jump would be a significant one.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Zen 2 to Zen 3 is not a mind blowing change...

[@denisdavidek]

​@@ByteSizeTech Thank you for the answer. I will switch to Zen 5 and build a completely new machine when AM5 becomes a little bit more mature.

[@Knubbers24_Ryan_Van_Riper]

My recent new computer has a 10600K, I like it but when I can get a better machine ill run not walk to get it! Great channel ✌️

[@SlyDive700]

What was out then when zen 2 was out.

[@ElladanKenet]

Get what you need. Get even more if you can afford it. But don't make budget cuts unless you want to have a cut experience.

[@timcorcoran9786]

I went from a i7-4790 with a gt1030 24gb ddr3 1600mhz ram and a ssd drive to a ryzen 5 5600g 32gb 3200mhz Ram and a nvme drive( and just got a rtx3050) complete night and day. Gone from about 1 minute to boot to about 6-7 seconds. Can really fly through my Football Manager 2022 now 😂😂

[@ericjohns5392]

I don't completely disagree. However I honestly believe you keep approaching this subject from your own point of view only. For the AVERAGE user who doesn't play games, 4 cores are still working. I work in IT for the city in which I live, before that I was in the private sector. I can honestly tell you that 4 cores still HUGELY dominate and that most don't need more. For them, SSD's and more system RAM are better upgrades. I think all of us gamers and streamers forget that we are in the minority. This is where I would agree with you. If someone is a streamer, gamer, work with CAD or video's. Four cores are ancient and you're doing yourself a great injustice staying with 4 cores. Though at some point just like clock speed. Intel and AMD will have to figure something else out for CPU design. They can't just keep throwing more cores in for more performance. Space isn't unlimited.

[@C0d0ps]

Speaking to your "new cpu design - space isn't unlimited" you should look into the intel 12th gen with performance cores for gaming and efficiency cores for multi tasking I believe that will be the next thing amd works on as well as intel. Just like rtx is a thing nvidia has now but amd will implement in the future

[@ByteSizeTech]

2 Thoughts there... 1. My channel is geared towards gamers and content creators, I'm not producing advice for "office boxes" 2. I actually do think 6 cores is the new office box, I see 4 core machines pegged just doing basic stuff these days. My Mom now has a R5 3600X, 32GB of RAM, and 1TB NVMe boot drive, and she does Facebook, Twitter, and email. It's slightly overkill to be sure, but it will last for years. A "new" 4 core machine in 2022 is a bad plan because those will be around for 5 years and they WON'T be enough in 5 years, or even 3.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Would agree with the AutoCAD, people edit movies for the theater's, etc. throw all the money at said PC.

[@lonewolf5316]

rouge got her hair blown off after the upgrade😂. i went from a ryzen 3600 to an intel i7-12700F with a good gen 4 mvne drive running 3200 mhz ddr4 ram. that blew the hair off my head😂🤣. my web pages and games are right in my face😁.

[@akawiangel]

Ugh I really wanna get a 5900x since they’re on sale right now but I already have a 5600x and im worried that I wouldn’t notice the difference since I only play esports on one monitor.

[@chrisbillingham9164]

You can play the latest and greatest fine on an 8c16t CPU. Is it going to be absolutely perfect without skipping a beat? Probably not, but I doubt many people wouldn't notice the blips. Will it last 10 years? No, but it will last most people 3-5 years without much issue. (Edited for grammer and clarity.)

[@C0d0ps]

The problem is about the price drops though. The many of the 10 to 16 core cpus have dropped in price with 150$ in america This wasn't the case for me in Sweden but I still recommend it.

[@varunlikescurry4464]

You can play the latest and greatest now with 8 cores without frame stuttering now, but what makes you so sure you won't have lots of stutters in the next 5 years with that chip? There is only a $60 difference between the 5900X with 12 cores and the 5800X with 8 cores. If you're spending $300+ on a CPU, $60 shouldn't hurt you financially.

[@chrisbillingham9164]

@@C0d0ps Oh yeah I'm not saying to not go for them when the price is right. I just think even an 8 core is more than adequate if the price is right. It still offers plenty of overhead for games and multitasking. But as always, 'It Depends.'

[@chrisbillingham9164]

@@varunlikescurry4464 Agreed. See response below for context.

[@jazon9]

I have i9 9900k , i plan change PC for 14 gen Intel (or maybe 15 gen max)

[@Paulie8K]

I have Ryzen 7 3700X, 3080FE and 32gb of ram and my system flies. In my defense, I had the 5700XT initially so that's why I only have a 3700X. My system still flies. I'm going to upgrade the CPU probably with Zen 4 since I want a better Mobo anyway.

[@KanSun787]

G9 5900x 3070ti 64ram and I can never go back to my budget setup, life is too short and my time is limited so I want to make the best out of it.

[@kevinbrook7033]

Hey Tech, I have a 10850k, 32Gb 3200 Mhz ram and a 3090. I want to stay at the high end, mostly to maximise VR performance in Microsoft Flight Simulator. Do you think I should upgrade at the end of the year when 4000 series cards and intel 13th gen comes out? I am tempted to buy a new PC in Decemeber but not sure if that's not getting the value out of my existing PC and I should either just upgrade the GPU, or maybe not upgrade at all for another year...

[@ByteSizeTech]

If MSFS VR and max performance is on your list, then the i9-13900K is not crazy!

[@TruckingShooter]

*cries in 3770 and a GTX970* I'm a big fan of buying the best rig you can though, and running it as long as it's viable for your needs... it's still plenty for that silly shooty boats game.

[@get2choppa]

Just bought a 3080 ti yesterday from amazon, waiting for it to come in. It's going to retire my 980ti that was serving me well, but now is getting a little old for any of the modern games I play. I upgraded last year to a 10850k with 64gb ram from a 6700k and 32gb ram. Certainly felt a difference. Since the gpu was working alright, not amazing, but ok enough, is why i decided to upgrade the rest of my platfor as I was waiting for the gpu market to finally settle down to upgrade that. should finally cross the finish line of having a fully cadillac build with breathing room for a few years to come

[@lastechocorp1841]

"explaining" why a high end pc is amazing is like trying to explain what its like to go skiing or drive a fast car. you can tell them, but you cant make them understand the feeling of it.

[@lastechocorp1841]

@@rahulahl fair enough but my point was more that you cant make some one understand a viceral feeling by just telling them. like you cant explain to some one what sex is like its something you have to expirence to understand it.

[@lastechocorp1841]

@@rahulahl no worries

[@pyrophobia133]

but we should encourage AMD/Intel to have another monopoly so we don't have to upgrade anywhere as often also, what is with our obsession with the number 4? we were stuck in 4 speed transmission for ages and the same goes with CPUs...

[@Kefas9000]

What about Macbook Air basic with 16gb for non-gaming general use ?

[@onomatopoeia162003]

I can counteract that. Chromebook/box

[@Kefas9000]

@@onomatopoeia162003 we dont have those in here.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

@@Kefas9000 oh that sucks.

[@MrZodiac011]

Sure the 4 core era went for longer than it should have or could have. But I don't see why games should move as fast as some people say. If games go from needing 8 cores to needing 16 cores i'd expect them to double in terms of detail, and that's not going to happen, the more likely scenario is we'll require more because developers won't optimized as good as they used to. Do you think GTA 5 would be unplayable on a 4 core 4 thread if 8 cores had been standard in 2015? Possibly. Same game, but no need to optimized for stuff people don't use anymore, right

[@temp9307]

sorry! I'm unaware, would someone enlighten me please as to why we don't name the Australian tech channel?

[@patrickwillson7282]

I am slightly luckier than a rat and recently i managed to build a new computer from my core 2 quad 4gb + gt730 into i5 11400f 16gb + Rx 570 4gb gpu (2nd hand gpu) but the difference are insane! I can play all new games 1080p mid to ultra setting 75hz. Definitely this is not the best experience, but for now i am very happy with it. Looking forward to buy an i9+high end gpu someday.

[@ByteSizeTech]

Wow, nice upgrade!

[@patrickwillson7282]

@@ByteSizeTech thank you Papa Tech. Hehe

[@patrickwillson7282]

I used 700w gold+ evga on this system and i am planning to add more 16gb ram based on your recommendation. I am just wondering what gpu is best for this build, Rtx 3060 ti or i should wait for the Rtx 4060, maybe 4060 will have some bottle neck from my current cpu??

[@hillardbishop8755]

@Tech Deals @Rogue I went from Phenom 1 to I5 4670K then to R7 3700X. Wowie each time! One only thinks what they have is fast until they experience fast personally. Thinking about R9 5900X. Already have X570 and 6900XT with dual 1440p monitors. Probably better option than entire platform upgrade...maybe. I could wait till AM5 has time to "mature" before entire platform jump.

[@nathanwhite704]

"If you dont want to play the latest and greatest you'll be fine" Tech and rogue are really getting out of touch. My 3600 handles Cyberpunk 2077, God Of War, Days Gone, Ac Valhalla, etc all on high settings just fine, I typically get 60-80 fps. Sure my PC sounds like a jet engine but they're playable.

[@varunlikescurry4464]

That's great but you didn't mention your resolution or GPU that enables you to get those frames. Also, what makes you so sure that these games will run "fine" in games that release over the next 5 years? That's right, you don't know.

[@C0d0ps]

Tech and rogue are talking about unclean test benches What this means is not just playing the game on screen it means that you might also want to watch a KZbin guide or a twitch stream on one or more screens It sounds like your gpu is stronger than your cpu which means that it can do extra work in these aaa games. That's not necessarily a bad thing but worth to keep in mind. Someone with same cpu as you might have a different gpu and find out that the cpu power is not enough to offset their gpu.

[@nathanwhite704]

@@varunlikescurry4464 1440p and a 2060

[@nathanwhite704]

@@varunlikescurry4464 "Also, what makes you so sure that these games will run "fine" in games that release over the next 5 years?" Idk I wont have my current PC in 5 years I plan on upgrading when AM5 and RTX40xx come out.

[@RicochetForce]

@@C0d0ps Bingo. The average person has things like Discord, Spotify, a browser with a bunch of tabs, a half-completed assignment they're procrastinating on, etc... in the background. If they're also someone looking to stream that's another thing running. Yes, you can actually game by running computer bare with just the game up. Trust me, I did it for years. It's an annoying experience, and often requires dialing down settings severely. And at a certain point (where I'm at with my PC that needs replacing), the CPU is the problem. I have no choice but to upgrade.

[@CyberJedi1]

A rtx 3090 ti is not worth it, there is a limit and diminishing returns to the money you spend on hardware, so it gets to a point that you dont get what you pay for anymore.

[@steamstories1279]

Upgraded from 1700x to 5800x, the difference is not that big, maybe because I have only a sapphire vega 56 pulse and maybe because i have only 16gb of RAM. Ordered 2x16gb 3200mhz kit from g.skill with 14-14-14-34 timings, want to oc them to 3600mhz. I like 5800x because it doesn't raise fan speed when doing browsing etc, it ramps up only when gaming and even then not so much. So less noise was still worth it. Why vega 56 ? I play games 1-2 times a month.

[@ByteSizeTech]

If you don't find that upgrade to be impressive, you may have other issues. Was this on a 300 series board? Do you have a modern boot SSD? When is the last time you had a clean install of Windows? The GPU only matters for FPS in games, but the overall system responsiveness should have been obvious, like hit with a wet fish obvious.

[@steamstories1279]

@@ByteSizeTech crosshair vi hero x370 which received Zen 3 support 1 month ago SSD is an PNY CS2030 M.2 pci-e 240gb last clean install was 4 months ago, windows 10 21h2, all updated

[@ByteSizeTech]

@@steamstories1279 Something is off then... the board is my first thought. I have that board, I've put Zen 2 on it and wasn't impressed. I haven't bothered with Zen 3 for all the reasons noted recently. The newer boards do matter, strangely enough. That SSD is ok, not great, but ok... it's kinda small these days.

[@steamstories1279]

@@ByteSizeTech Didn't got 32gb, but today got 64 GB (2x32 GB kit), currently at 3400mhz and now I see the difference, everything loads faster while doing other stuff in the background. It's like I upgraded my CPU, not RAM. Got to 22 GB usage and not even while playing a game, just background stuff I do.

[@evacody1249]

The people who try to prove you wrong I bet have two 1440p monitors and think the bench marks are right. When the bench marks are run with one monitor. The more monitors you have and more that's running the higher the CPU cores you need.

[@TropicChristmas]

I dunno, personally I would rather build rigs more often that are lower mid-range, than blow a bunch of money and try to make it last ages. I think it's silly to attempt to future-proof for the most part and I didn't used to think that way. I may never have top performance but I'll definitely have new features and the best part is, I won't be dropping 3k for it

[@BackToTheStart47]

I'm still using a computer that I built 10 years ago. I wanted to "skip" newer generation's of components as they are not performing way better in the old days. I remember in the 90's and 2000's that if you don't upgrade in 4 years nothing will run. Going from windows xp to windows vista was a pc upgrade. Now I went from windows 7 to 8 to 10 on the same system without any real need to upgrade as everything still "runs". Yes I have the money to build top of the line pc it's just right now AMD and Intel are slugging it out and are expected to DOUBLE single thread ipc in 2 years. The main concern of people holding out like me is that we don't want to spend $3000 on a pc that will be obsolete in 1 year. In 2010-2020 every generation of intel processor was 3-5% improvement. Alder lake was 30% single core and 60% multi core. Raptor lake is expected to have another 30% single and 40% multi. I'm probably going to still wait it out to see who wins the cpu war AMD or Intel as the rate of improvement is too good.

[@BackToTheStart47]

​@@rahulahl I was planning a alder lake build earlier until I saw ram prices for DDR5. Also there's a new power supply standard for the upcoming new gpu's. Why build a new platform now when the power supply will become obsolete. I also waited because I thought a disruptive technology will come in and make everything obsolete but never came / not here yet. For example quantum computing with light and ai accelerator from mythic. I am looking at raptor lake /zen4 upgrade based on ram prices and availability on next gen power supplies.

[@BackToTheStart47]

@@rahulahl Thanks for the advice. I will probably get zen4 or raptor.

[@latlanticcityphil]

Great Quote, please put it on mugs & shirts before someone steals your idea! Thanks, great show

[@scotane7753]

I got a 10 core and there is no way I would go back to 6 LOL

[@mielquizon784]

im just on i3 2130 8gb ddr3 and plan to build ryzen 5700g with 32gb ram I'm feel lag now on old PC i terms of normal browsing windows 10 become heavy hahaha

[@RicochetForce]

I cannot echo Tech's sentiment strong enough. Long story short, I was stuck on an Acer laptop for a decade. It was the most frustrating, miserable experience with technology I've ever had. For something I had to use every day for contacting family and friends, sending in resumes, gaming, watching KZbin, light video and photo editing. That entry where they had to close other programs to free up resources? That was a constant for me. It's difficult to accurately describe how stressful it is to have everything the PC does take forever, or have some sort of hiccup. Almost everyone I took the laptop to told me the hardware was long in the tooth and I need a new PC. Swapping in an M.2 SSD helped... to a point. Formating my boot drive worked... for a time. That experience seared this sentiment into me for life. Life is too damn short to use a crappy computer. Sell, donate, or turn it into an e-waste center and get something modern. Trust me, the ease and lack of stress in day to day usage is worth it.

[@maximumsim]

It depends what you consider to be "crappy" though. I'd take a decent mid range pc over even the most powerful console any day of the week.

[@michaelthompson9798]

My takeaway from this is no matter your opinion, you can always find a group of people to support your particular argument 🥰👍. What wrong with us Aussies 🤕😭 Tech? Btw I use 3x pc builds from mid range to higher end and notice the difference in performance between all of them. Truth is, get the best you can afford, and if the next upgrade in performance tier is peanuts 💰💰then save and get the upgrade 🥰👍 you’ll notice the difference. But if you can’t afford the best $5k pc and you’re happy with it and does what you want it to do…., then don’t let anyone say you must immediately upgrade!

[@thatloserwhoplays]

To be fair, the longer the wait the more drastically uou love your computer in comparison lmao

[@ByteSizeTech]

Fair!

[@marcelthorsen]

As much as I love these videos I still think there’s value in entry level gaming level parts. There’s a certain purity to cheaper, entry level builds. Especially for first time or newer builders. I remember building my first PC in a few years since the Core2 era in 2018 and I paired a GTX 1050 with an i7-8700(non K) and even though it was a weird mix of parts I still had a lot of fun figuring out what I could and couldn’t play well and what settings I could use, etc. At the time it was doing everything I wanted it to relatively well but the upgrade to the 1070 Ti shortly after was a game changer, haha.

[@rotmistrzjanm8776]

Ofc it is - depends on usecase the thing is almost noone complain about entry level stuff, they do about high end because of missunderstanding

[@Cheesemonk3h]

when you're building your first computer the value proposition of what you get with your money is not very clear, and i think many people get stuck in what you could best describe as some kind of dunning-kreuger zone where they can't really think of anything that requires more power since the vast majority of tasks people use a computer for don't scale past six cores. i mean it's not hard to start doing things that require more cores but if you don't record yourself or edit video or do any sort of digital workstation stuff six cores seems fine then when you start doing video editing you realize 12 cores isn't enough

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

"I still had a lot of fun figuring out what I could and couldn’t play well and what settings I could use, etc" my overarching point is you do a great disservice to yourself and anyone else who buys low-end hardware and plans to use it for more than it's intended purpose. yeah I want to play the games I want to play. I don't have time for the BS of my "slow" computer not letting me do what I want to do with it, within reason. As soon as you build a budget system it's already out of date. I don't mean this to belittle you, however you don't truely understand what "smoothness" means until you experience a premium computer. 9:02 - You'll be like "holy hell when did my computer get so fast, going from an 8700k to a 12700k/13700k..."