c

the history of the letter c
00:00 - intro
01:49 - chapter one: enter gaml
04:57 - chapter two: the grand switcheroo
10:19 - chapter three: voicelessness
14:59 - chapter four: Appius and Ruga
19:56 - chapter five: palatalization
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[@loweffortproductions1985]

Not gonna lie, I thought this was going to be a 30-minute shitpost consisting of a single C note.

[@adityavenkat9087]

I did also and I got this story of C

[@ttacos]

Fr

[@ReverendInsanityPromoter]

^

[@lovelykitty42]

same

[@graysonboi9301]

Same

[@blunderbus2695]

"But that's Z", the thrilling sequel to "So that's Y"

[@kmqzakarlove]

I love it when he makes us wait for the sentence to end to no avail

[@mrkitty1997]

Tell me Y, _Ain't nothing but a heaaaaaart ache_ ;v

[@thomas4841]

can't wait for the next instalment

[@CarMedicine]

it's actually "So that's Y" not "And that's Y"

[@fuuryuuSKK]

And the third part, "you'll C"

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

The fact that a blind man had so much influence on our writing system is hilarious, absurd, and awesome.

[@WhizzKid2012]

you mean appius claudius caecus ?

[@IONATVS]

Do remember that text at the time was commonly written on wax tablets or carved in stone, both of which are inherently tactile media. A blind man couldn’t read papyrus scrolls, but those were expensive, so primarily saved for long form media.

[@eos_aurora]

As someone who is only mildly interested in studying language, this series does often devolve into word salad but I love it

[@jmurray1110]

Imagine my pain as someone who doesn’t really care but somehow got sucked down this rabbit hole

[@randomtinypotatocried]

@@jmurray1110 I'm not sure if I'm enjoying this or in pain

[@yeahuh4128]

people: lets remove all Cs! programmers: *starts sweating*

[@polyrosen7737]

Can’t wait to design my website front end in sss

[@DarkPortall]

is it k++ or s++

[@yeahuh4128]

@@DarkPortall S seems to be a better option.

[@theninjamaster67]

@@yeahuh4128 S#

[@keagan2509]

@@theninjamaster67 SEE#

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

I had a nightmare last night where I made a conlang of "Simplified English" and removed the letter "C" so Jan Misali showed up at the foot of my bed and recited this video at me

[@halyoalex8942]

I can't believe Jan Misali is your sleep paralysis demon.

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

@@halyoalex8942 Can't you?

[@hohotash]

i relate to your username

[@hohotash]

@@taududeblobber221 dude, me also.

[@Annie-df9ky]

But... He totally would

[@suomeaboo]

I love Xhosa's repurposing of c, q, and x for its 3 primary click consonants - /ǀ/, /ǃ/, and /ǁ/. They have other click consonants too, but they all fall under these 3 primary groups.

[@trbz_8745]

At this point if we want a completely consistent language we'd have to build a new one with a new alphabet from the ground up

[@eumorpha876]

and then jan Misali could do a review on it and put it in his show Conlang Critic!

[@XDtoMeOld]

Yes

[@jacksonsmith2955]

@@XDtoMeOld no, you just interpret the letters with different, more consistent rules. that's what pretty much all conlangs do. same alphabet.

[@eshafto]

Give it a couple hundred years and it will be as messy as any other language--'cause that's how the peoples do.

[@Ben-li9zb]

yes please

[@dieselguitar1440]

xQc really named himself after the three English letters closest to being redundant.

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

That's some symbolism, alright.

[@zephr8786]

petition to start calling him "cuh cuh cuh" (which in hindsight i realise could be reformed to be spelt kkk,,, hmmmmmm)

[@sugxi]

Ah a fellow juicer

[@gamerrfm9478]

@@zephr8786 no, call him /xqc/

[@maxliu7576]

@@gamerrfm9478 that sounds pretty awesome ngl

[@ketzelkomi]

I thought this was gonna be a meme, not a whole backstory of the letter c 😭

[@ivywivy]

bruh same

[@sunghoen6242]

Fr

[@kiawaiia]

omg same 😭💀

[@victoriasavova6811]

c lore

[@dennis_s]

I respect the grind, tho. I think that he knows that most think his vids are shit posts, but throws us off intentionally.

[@DDub04]

Also, the sound “kyuh” is predominantly represented with the letters “cu”. Cumulative, accuse, cure, cute, cube, etc. Sure you could replace it with “Ky” but it would give words like “Kyumulative”, which may also seem like it’s saying “Chi-yumulative” or “chi-umalative”. If we’re doing purely phonetic spelling, you get Kyoomuhluhtihv. Which looks like a Russian town name.

[@MetalionsquadOfficial]

KYOOOOOO

[@maybeanonymous6846]

I'm brazilian and this made me LOL

[@Oturan20]

I know what I'm naming my next fictional Russian town. Kyoomuhluhtihv.

[@meowcat7124]

As a Russian, that doesn't really look like a Russian town name, more like a weird mix of Finnish and Korean lol

[@JG-vh6oy]

@@meowcat7124 isn’t that what russian is

[@lyvindy0527]

We probably need part 3, covering X which sounds like either 'ks' or 'z' Edit: Nevermind, maybe the letter J would be a better choice because it's pronounced so differently in other languages (Somehow the letter sounds like a Y in languages like German and Swedish and also sounds somewhat like H in Spanish)

[@jamburga321]

I don't think there is going to be one!

[@TheRenegade...]

The Y is the original pronunciation

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

X has at least 3 pronunciations: KS in Fix, GZ in Example, and Z in Xylophone. And J was originally just a shape variation, an I with a hook, so it makes perfect sense that it eventually came to stand for the sound of non-syllabic I, like our Y. That is how it is used in many languages today, including Latin. But some languages changed the Y sound into different sounds but kept the same letter, like the French, which is where we get our pronunciation of J.

[@ethanlamoureux5306]

@@tkfandbfbfan Perhaps for you it has a KS sound, but for me and millions of others, the X in example is pronounced like the GS in eggs.

[@uggupuggu]

it has a k+jh sound in the word “luxury”

[@schmourt]

As a Courtney with a sister named Cierra and another named Cheyenne I can pretty securely say I like and understand the versatility of C.

[@fizzyegg]

i can c why

[@joethehobo8705]

Kourtney, Sierra, and Xeyenne (x being ch because x can be replaced with ks)

[@milic5068]

As a non native english speaker I have no idea how any of those names are pronounced lmao

[@iksskan9147]

@@milic5068 my man Core-tenny, see-era, chain-ee (I think) Also am non native speaker.

[@Tornnnado]

@@milic5068 pretty sure it’s “Court-knee,” “See-era,” and “Shy-anne.”

[@GoHugACactus837]

Judging by your calm voice, I’m surprised you didn’t ask me to try squarespace

[@testlol_yt6844]

Lol

[@zekerdeath]

yeah why is this such a common sponsor for soft voiced youtubers

[@JordenJords]

NO I MISS SAM MAN WHY YOU GOTTA REMIND ME BRO 😭

[@themobiusfunction]

*c*alm

[@m0ssy_mushrooms217]

KZbinr: Don’t worry this isn’t a sponsorship for Squarespace! Viewer: whew KZbinr: *slowly pulls out NORDVPN*

Very descriptive thumbnail, 10/10.

[@hypenheimer]

Bot

[@NithinJune]

19:55 Jan did it again 😂 We can't let them keep getting away with this😂😂

[@DontYouDareToCallMePolisz]

His name is Misali

[@spcxplrr]

"what are we eating tonight honey" "kicken"

[@camelopardalis84]

"tshikken"

[@alexanderjoseph5380]

it would have been kicen

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@alexanderjoseph5380 The double consonant is important. Maybe kiccen.

[@jefflastnam8566]

Tzikin

[@michigo_]

Tsiken

[@grugs6801]

the next letter episode should be about "r" so we could have a trill-ogy

[@vari1535]

That’d actually be an interesting one, considering the many different pronunciations of it in various romance languages!

[@jjsdumbshit2792]

x

[@moises3545]

@@icancu9680 no u

[@thegoldengood4725]

teollogy

[@azimmeme9994]

@@vari1535 Romance languages? Lovish?

[@january1may]

Interesting side-note: the Cyrillic letter С looks exactly like the Latin letter C and also makes a /s/ sound (and it's even on the same place on the keyboard! infuriating Russians who accidentally use the wrong one) but it has its own very interesting history (the so-called "lunate sigma") and isn't even descended from gaml

[@tangentfox4677]

I feel like this further informs my feeling that we should stop caring about when s and c are used in sertain words. Because as long as one kan understand what they're reading, it's fine.

[@poudink5791]

@@tangentfox4677sure you can understand even if it's spelled wrong, but it also takes significantly longer to parse

[@gcbreptile4571]

I used to think C was pointless, but you have completely changed my mind and opened my eyes to the beautiful letter. Thank you sooo much!

[@jamburga321]

Now you like C right?

[@gcbreptile4571]

@@jamburga321 Yep. I suppose I do

[@jamburga321]

@@gcbreptile4571 c is a very important letter in English

[@jamburga321]

And it also looks cool like a crescent moon, doesn't it, cool crescent shape right?

[@gcbreptile4571]

@@jamburga321 Yes, it does have a nice shape :)

[@soopFPS]

your use of dark mode for your complicated visuals is much appreciated by my drunk, night owl eyes.

[@quesokid4959]

A drunk person wouldn’t type this.

[@diamond_hcr2]

@@quesokid4959 👆a drunk person would type this

[@sovietman4874]

@@diamond_hcr2 i can confirm

[@dhrextinction983]

I thing I shit myself I can't tell

[@bluanim8s494]

@@dhrextinction983 now drucjb

[@petermarsella6537]

We're ignoring the key argument: We can't call it the YMCA anymore, and that song by the Village People is now obsolete.

[@st1220]

it would b called ymka

[@modmaker7617]

YMSA

[@BeepBoy]

@@modmaker7617 ☹️

[@renaigh]

YMSA*

[@Voidio2454]

@@renaigh doesn't have the same ring to it.

[@wtc5198]

Just a note, when you showed how Polish used C, there was a mistake: Polish is actually /tɕi/, and the palatal phonemes in Polish are handled very much like a Romance language would handle them

[@jobda1211]

Theoretically there exist rare borrowed words with ⟨ci⟩ pronounced as /t͡si/ for example (probably the most common instance of it) „cis” as in „tłuszcze cis”, „cispłciowy” and as a name of a musical note

[@wtc5198]

@@jobda1211 Yes but that's marginal

[@midnitecata]

"ch" is quite important to me, for it is one of the only instances where "c" has its own sound! also, your videos are so fun and interesting to watch!

[@TheGeopigMan]

The real play is to redefine "c" to represent the "ch" sound

[@BracketsAttackets]

Based. That's what I do with a lot of my characters' names lmao.

[@jankkhvej434]

or something like „ts” sound

[@miray3596]

Actually in Turkish, c is like the g sound in the word "german" and the G in Turkish is like the g sound in great. We also have ç fo ch and ş for sh.

[@felicityedwards1306]

@@miray3596 Turkish is a superior language and I will die on that hill

[@TheFlyfly]

or ch becomes tsh

[@redtaileddolphin1875]

The punchline “that’s [Letter]” remains god-tier

[@sofia.eris.bauhaus]

it's complete S

[@DeenBoi]

as it should B

[@tookiecar1]

that’s E

[@tecknokittyd]

I wondered why french had such a long name for Y (ygreck) when everything else was very similar to english and in both languages the letter names are very short, never knew it was actually being called "Greek I", neat!

[@johnweber4504]

My humor is so broken that I clicked on the video titled “c” and proceeded to laugh at a very unfunny ad thinking it was the video

[@sleepybraincells]

...

[@nitrodark7027]

Did you know? jan Misali is currently in the hospital for back pain due to the fact that he's been carrying the entire conlanging community

[@tristannaess2558]

Not completely fair, there’s also biblaridion and artifexian

[@philipschloesser]

you mean "the entire conglang community"?

[@takashi.mizuiro]

P Schlösser lol

[@Katerina-kqkq]

I think you meant David J. Peterson*

[@Mercure250]

@@philipschloesser what a cute fraud

[@korkari2988]

When i don't know what to answer in a multiple choice questions, C is the way to go. C is my comfort letter

[@ollybrowningg]

c for cunt, that’s why we love it

[@Kagomai15]

Where did this kids rumour start I'm so curious, everyone I've ever talked to where this subject came up has encountered the "when in doubt, choose c" bias in regards to multiple choice tests 😂

[@linuslaw9648]

Because from experience it’s actually mostly c for some reason

[@bigchungus894]

I answered C on a test today that wasn’t even multiple choice

[@helze2]

@@bigchungus894 correct choice

[@turtledruid464]

Maybe it's just because I learned pinyin at a young age, but the use of q to represent a soft ch always made perfect sense to me, in the same way that using x for a soft sh did. I wasn't even aware that some people didn't like it, although in retrospect hearing my friends pronounce qi as "ki" and xi as "zi" should've been a red flag.

[@azaan.7711]

man pulled off 1.3 million views with just a “c” as his thumbnail and the title, and managed to get the vid to be of almost half an hour. legend

[@adrian_chr843]

i thought that it was about the c programming language.

[@camo5553]

I thought that it was about the speed of light

[@nsa3967]

@@adrian_chr843 I thought it was gonna be some rando shilling for rust ngl

[@tristancoffin]

@@adrian_chr843 me too

[@MochaFur1]

vague title and thumbnail. could mean anything

[@cellina.starfire]

Man, I should have known you’d do the “that’s y” joke again. Still got me though.

[@godminnette2]

I regret scrolling down to read this comment.

[@mskiptr]

Whe wha? How did i miss that!?

[@ferociousfeind8538]

an advertisement kicked in at just the right time so I was left with "was that 'so, that said', or 'so that's zed'????" for a full five seconds

[@jaksida300]

Here’s tree.

[@dominicdelprincipe2583]

The letter C is present in that most beautiful of English phrases, 'cellar door'. Aesthetics is enough for me to justify C's presence. Great vid!

[@jamburga321]

That's why C is the best letter

[@shelookstome8727]

Agreed :)

[@TarporLegend]

I love that this video is well researched, concise, and provides necessary context for each given situation. A beautiful exploration of history; a beautiful perspective of modern language. I wish that every KZbinr on the platform made videos like you

[@guaposneeze]

Conlang review: C has an unusually limited orthography compared to most conlangs, which makes it relatively easy for new conlang enthusiasts to learn. The alphabet is as follows: "c, C." The phonemic inventory is more diverse, consisting of "s, ch, sh, and k," depending on context.

[@xyldkefyi]

C has a very strange orthography, using not only the letters of the English alphabet but also additional symbols such as +-/*=, which are also pronounced and serve as one letter abbreviations for mathematical expressions. The language is descended from English and reused English words like if, for, while and abbreviations of English words like int(eger), float (ing point number), (char)acter. It removes a lot of ambiguity from the English language by giving very specific definitions to these so called keywords. Interestingly, text modifiers like ();, and many more are essential to correct C syntax and give structure to what can often seem like a random collection of words and letters. The most interesting feature of the C language has to be the possibility to define your own words, allowing you to express extremely complicated things with just a letter, if you want to. In fact, text written in the c language are usually just one word (a lot of speakers use "main"), that is then defined to mean everything you want to say. This is a strange concept that has so far only been observed in the programming language family.

[@takeryu7014]

lang*

[@purpleisdebeste]

Don’t forget č, ç, ć, Č, Ç and Ć

[@globalincident694]

@@xyldkefyi ah yes, the well known types int, float and acter

[@xyldkefyi]

@@globalincident694 yea... well spotted xD

[@historicalfootnotes]

Swear to god, if he makes a joke about this being a “Cquel”.... *sigh* I’m not mad... just disappointed...

[@purpleisdebeste]

You’ll C

[@IONATVS]

Honestly, I C it as an absolute win. Puns are fun.

[@TheZenytram]

28:17

[@bruhz_089]

@@purpleisdebeste You'll

[@leocomerford]

Look, just be glad he didn’t attempt a Sonic-fandom joke at 5:19 .

[@abloogathelawyer4477]

I have spent 30 minutes of my life watching the history of the letter C... And I regret NOTHING! Seriously, your voice is so soothing that I didn't even feel time passing. Best thing is, I have learned something! (And thank you for dark mode, my eyes appreciate you)

[@jamburga321]

Now you like C right?

[@samhaine6804]

more please! this is my favourite series of yours

[@TheExalaber]

Now I really want to see a conlang review of the C programming language. "The C Language's insistence that all nouns should be placed at the beginning of the paragraph has lead to no end of confusion"

[@SirLightfire]

His next video should simply be titled "C++" with 0 explanation

[@pawelharutiunow9622]

“That’s how Middle C looked like. However, in Early Modern C, the word order has been significantly relaxed.”

[@tech6hutch]

Unlike more object-oriented languages, C follows a strict verb-subject-object word order.

[@paulfragemann3333]

@@tech6hutch Well thats the what most people do atleast... Within a company I worked for a few years back, we had an internal libary which always took the struct operating on as its last argument... At some point we decided as a team to rewrite that goddamn thing to be usuable without it breaking your brain every time... Atleast it was internally consistant...

[@kleinesfilmroellchen]

Only on jan misali: "rad as heck" qualifying as a valid formal argument in a linguistic debate

[@somebonehead]

27:19

[@yanxishan6575]

Pinyin q is absolutely rad as heck

[@Rolando_Cueva]

@@yanxishan6575 shi la

[@The7thLysineinyourDNA]

Cell: I'm gonna change to sell- Sell: Taken.

[@tahimwaicij]

i love this letter because it looks like the letter כ and that letter also makes two sounds so it just clicks perfectly in my head

[@dieWeltkarte]

am I sleep deprived or is "tooc off his cloac" (26:34) the funniest fucking thing I've seen in my life

[@brinyazurista270]

you're sleep deprived.

[@junoperberry]

both

[@AJarOfYams]

Sleep deprived, and somewhat funny

[@sambish3961]

Not sleep deprived, still hilarious

[@doublex85]

I thinc it loocs pretty good. Tkange my mind.

[@aharonvarna5992]

I used to be one of those people who thought we should be getting rid of letters like c, q, z and others now I'm one of those people who's like we should be adding letters to distinguish the voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives.

[@GlaceonStudios]

How about using Albanian _dh_ to represent dhe voiced variant so more often used dhan dhe Greek _th_ ? It looks a bit strange, but it's nothing one can't get familiar with (widh?).

[@DavidCowie2022]

@@GlaceonStudios Chambers dictionary (1983) says (widh, with).

[@damianbrumfield3626]

Why not both?

[@Frahamen]

The real issue with English spelling are the "vowels".

[@masicbemester]

bring back þorn and eð

[@raspqui]

i accidentally typed C in the search bar then in my instincts to delete it i entered it and i clicked on this

[@oliverwarren2793]

this video changed my life

[@tommasofogli8845]

7:12 he didn't like the letter "z" because when someone pronounces it his tongue would resemble the tongue of dead people. (I studied it in school) Romans at the time were very superstitious. Love from Roma!

[@Ondohir]

But the position of the tongue is the same with [s]

[@godminnette2]

It says so on screen around 15:30 "Z was abhorrent to Appius Claudius, because it resembles in its expression the teeth of a corpse"

[@kaengurus.sind.genossen]

And I always thought the internet was the thing that made people go insane.

[@anse7288]

Ciao

[@tommasofogli8845]

@@Ondohir in Italian not quite

[@GoldenSandslash15]

I hope we get twenty-six of these videos eventually. These are fun.

[@gg1k]

don't forget about old ampersand, & thorn now

[@Mercure250]

He pretty much already covered the histories of F, V, U, and Y in his "w" video, and in this one, he pretty much already covered G. And unfortunately, a lot of letters are not as interesting as far as their histories are concerned. He could honestly cover all the remaining vowels in one video and include the history of J in it, and it probably would be less than 15 minutes.

[@Cloiss_]

I don't think a video about every letter is the way to go here, but I'm sure there are several more interesting "history of writing" stories to be told (heck, they even made a playlist for it!)

[@fikatrouvaille3670]

@@Mercure250 then he shoULD DO THAT

[@Mercure250]

@@fikatrouvaille3670 Agreed, I was just saying one video per letter wouldn't be as interesting as people might think. If he does all the letters, but group them together in just, like, 2-3 short videos, that would be cool.

[@alimtimm7355]

Just discovered this masterpiece. Awesome work man.

[@samhaine6804]

more of these videos man! love em!

[@perplexedon9834]

"I'd take redundancy over ambiguity any day". mi sona e ni: ala.

[@Ondohir]

a a a!

[@bringme1kscrubscribers10]

I got my and gave up

[@hollyfelis4197]

i can't believe i didn't realize there was anything weird about _jan Misali_ making this statement until i saw this comment

[@perplexedon9834]

@Mia yun Ruse because of ambiguity it could also be "we know that's not true" :)

[@omargerardolopez3294]

my son and I: ???

[@davidegaruti2582]

"Did you die?" Z"sadly yes ..." Z"but i lived!"

[@Tynach]

"But I got better."

[@LARAUJO_0]

K: My death was... greatly exagerated

[@Saturinus]

It's the Zombie letter! o.O

[@georgesracingcar7701]

I did have a stroke reading this

[@fabricatorzayac]

Zed's dead

[@Gamemaster13000]

I clicked on this video thinking there's no way he could make a 30 minute video just talking about the letter c only to be greeted with the horrifying reality that he's done this before with the letter w.

[@Omnywrench]

After ending the "W" video with a song from Between the Lions, i was expecting the end credits to have "C is for Cookie" from Sesame Street. but the actual song you got here is a pleasant surprise!

[@ruipaiva3060]

Every single person who uses night mode appreciate your time and effort into this. You're respected among the community.

[@abyssosque]

What makes it even better is that this design choice is because their PC literally cannot handle anything more, made me respect them even more lmao

[@tookiecar1]

@@abyssosque “You’re respected *among* the community.”

[@LadyTink]

Also thank you VERY much for not falling for the "primitive vs advanced" or "Pure vs degenerate" Also side note, this feel like how Carl Sagan went over human evolution "however this path does not lead to us"

[@joaopedroauriemo]

I love these letter lore videos! It would be cool to make this a series. Not necessarily for all letters, but for the ones with an interesting origin or that are used in many different ways across different languages. I guess the “w” video already covered five different letters but there are still more to pick from. Best, love jan Misali videos

[@lonelyshpee7873]

I thought this was going to be a video about a programming language. But no, it's a 30 minute video about a letter. Impressive!

[@perrincalzada9131]

End Lyrics: Letter C has folks saying it should be removed, that without it the alphabet would be improved. It’s a common complaint, that’s misguided at best. No you can’t just replace C with K and with S. (~No you can’t just replace C with K and with S~) You know S becomes voiced intervocalically, and suffixes preserve etymology. If it’s so inconsistent why focus on C? When the quote unquote “problem” is much worse with G? If you were to cut C, then what you’d have in store, is you’re left with more problems than you had before. If you’ve learned nothing else, just remember this: English spelling reforms break more than they can fix. (~English spelling reforms break more than they can fix~)

[@DanksterPaws]

End Lyriks: Letter C has folks saying it should be removed, that without it the alphabet would be improved. It’s a kommon komplaint, that’s misguided at best. No you kan’t just replase sie with K and with S. (~No you kan’t just replase C with K and with S~) You know S bekomes voised intervokalikally, and suffixes preserve etymology. If it’s so inkonsistent why fokus on C? When the quote on quote “problem” is much worse with G? If you were to kut C, then what you’d have in store, is you’re left with more problems than you had before. If you’ve learned nothing else, just remember this: English spelling reforms break more than they kan fix. (~English spelling reforms break more than they kan fix~)

[@scapeist5019]

Or just turn on captions

[@kylekafka6636]

@@DanksterPaws Seems to work just fine :P

[@Reubentheimitator6572]

@@kylekafka6636 Yeah it does.

[@a___ab___b9896]

@@DanksterPaws The fact that you kept "q" makes it look so weird.

[@firsthandsuffering]

The sequel we have all been waiting for

[@justyouraveragefan855]

Beat me to it

[@quarts_i_guess]

the c-quel

[@theairaccumulator7144]

@@quarts_i_guess kquel

[@hayatotaichi1384]

Be like me. I have 3 due assignments, 2 quizes tommorow and midterm next week. I decided to watch a video about the letter c.

[@Archimedes-Of-Syracuse]

I advocate for a complete overhaul for english spelling.

[@David280GG]

I want U to only be pronounced oo or ooh

[@Archimedes-Of-Syracuse]

@@David280GG I say it should represent schwa and keep the oo for oo

[@David280GG]

​@@Archimedes-Of-Syracuseuse u for oo and ū for the u in plug, so fool would be spelt ful, full as full and plug as plūg

[@David280GG]

Also use the letter ä for the a in cat and leave a for the a in charm

[@sycration]

I'm a fan of Shavian. A completely phonetic new script from the ground up, complete with a separate letter for every vowel and dipthong. It has compromises, but they are based on the variations of modern english, not on how french was spoken 800 years ago

[@jmiquelmb]

That's so cool to know that Y was originally called "I Grecca" (Greek I), because this is how is still called in my languages, Catalan and Spanish. I always wondered why the name

[@voland6846]

The Russian word for Y is игрек (igrek), presumably taken from the French

[@nicodiaz2662]

yeah i thought the same

[@saskiaviking9447]

In Polish "Y" is also called "igrek"

[@levector2445]

@@voland6846 can confirm y is still i grecque meaning greek i in France Edit: didn't know how to spell greek

[@ExtremeBirdTypography]

As an English speaker in Canada who had to learn French in grade school, I was always extremely confused about why 'Y' had an insane name like "eegrek." It sounded like some Star Trek species or something. "Greek I" makes so much sense.

[@berrycade]

I respekt how perfektly krafted this video was. It's Exsellent!

[@themobiusfunction]

Eksellent

[@tripppleccc54]

I have a problem with the spelling here.... Your name has an 0 instead of an o

[@berrycade]

@@tripppleccc54 you're right, how blasphemous. I must khange my name to "Exotik Lettuse". This kursed c is everywhere!

[@gimbly8801]

@@berrycade the kursed " "

[@britishpigeoninahouse6917]

Can someone translate please

[@zenlyy]

I never thought I would spend half an hour watching a video only about the letter c.

[@TyTyTyTy200]

This is one of the best videos I've ever watched.

[@johnchessant3012]

you did the tangent on "zed" just to make the "but that said" joke. kudos

[@evanswart480]

"Hey guys, it's Appius. Today I'm gonna be doing another makeup tutorial, so let's talk about why the letter Z is useless"

[@clutchedbyanangel]

I'd watch a blind guy's makeup tutorial

[@EnriqueLaberintico]

Þ

[@johnsMITHhhhhh88]

KZbinrs: you need striking titles and thumbnails to get views, preferably clickbait also. (300k views) jan Misali: c (1.8M views)

[@joyu2105]

Ah exactly what i needed at 12AM in the night, thank you youtube recomendations

[@sushiroll3795]

Simple answer: Because the "Ch" sound can't be expressed by any other letter or pair of letters. I've heard some people say the same thing about how "X" could be replaced by "Z," "Ex," "Cs," or "Ks." However, I think the most useful placement of the letter X is at the end of words like "tax" without making it look like a plural (tacs, taks, or tacks). Edit: Oh lord what have I done.

[@rafasilva1265]

Then just keep C, but have it mean "ch" capter, scool, ets

[@InfluxDecline]

@@rafasilva1265 The sounds of "ch" in those two words are different, so that wouldn't work

[@EnjoySackLunch]

HUH?????

[@shelbymurphy3579]

@@rafasilva1265 should be "skool"

[@vela5074]

The "Ch" in Chips and Chandelier couldn't be replaced by anything

[@CalebJahnke]

I just recently started learning the C programming language. So I'm at the very very very beginner levels of learning. I've been watching a lot of videos about it. This video shows up in my recommendations. I click on it expecting it to be some breakdown of the history of the C language or something. I have to say that I'm happy I was wrong and found this video.

[@Useroftherisingsun]

Good luck in your studies! Hope you'll be a cool C programmer soon

[@official-obama]

ah, but that's the Truttle1 video, not the jan Misali video

[@vegaomega6072]

I cannot possibly believe you got me with that damn joke again. Unbelievable.

[@LearnRunes]

The /k/ sound in English was originally made by the rune ᚳ, which was replaced by the Latin letter C.

[@ChintzleMcGrundle]

I never knew how much i needed this info, thank you

[@BrendanBow1]

24:07 I really appreciate how you pointed out that the /oʊ/ vs /aʊ/ problem is not only more important than "fixing" C, but also found it important enough to put it at the beginning of the list. The "bow" problem has been bugging me for years. signed, Brendan Bow

[@ericmatevossian1962]

My guy signed his KZbin comment. That's class you can't teach

[@mawillix2018]

@@ericmatevossian1962 He also ended his comment with a bow. ;)

[@junoperberry]

boe or b ow

[@boxed_in4357]

Do you spell that bow like bow the weapon, or bow the front part of a shit Edit: *I meant ship not shit

[@dagoat8057]

ç

[@ImaginaryMdA]

"one of the least productive conversations in online discourse." Wow, that's saying a lot.

[@Nyaalexi]

All this fulfilling info from a video that's titled with just a single letter. Fascinating.

[@Arkouchie]

I like how this video caused the wiki article on Spirits Carvilius Ruga to be much less confident about his founding of the first elementary school: "In the latter half of the 3rd century B.C., Ruga is the first man in recorded history to have been attested as opening a private elementary school, although other such schools may have existed in Rome prior to his.[1]"

[@creeperlamoureux]

Jan Misali's name was gonna be spelt Jan Micali, but his parents didn't want people to mispronounce it as Jan Mikali

[@sojourner_303]

Except Toki pona don’t have a C

[@mgawalangmagawamwm]

jan miçali

[@seneca983]

"Jan Misali's name was gonna be spelt Jan Micali" Then I wonder how did it become spelled Mitch Halley.

[@ThomasTheThermonuclearBomb]

But everyone pronounced it John instead of Jan

[@jamburga321]

@@sojourner_303 C and a lot of other letters, they have 14 letters

[@cerealssbu7545]

Thank you for putting the first track of music in C-Major. I cannot thank you enough

[@bgtherobit]

"this is the story of c" and that style of music following it made me fondly remember an old flash game i loved as a kid called The I of It. Nostalgia

[@jaratechild335]

the easiest solution to the c question: diacritics such as "ç" and "ć"

[@David280GG]

Č is better bc is used in czech abd makes the same sound as english ch

[@widemen6651]

this showed up on my recommended and i actually fell asleep. not because it was boring, but because of your soothing af voice.

[@LARAUJO_0]

23:16 "Cnidarian" might just be the only time c is truly silent in English

[@HBMmaster]

I'd count indict and its derivatives too

[@justadummy8076]

C also can’t be replaced because it has a third sound that can’t be covered by ‘k’ or ‘s’, the “ch” sound found in cello & charlie, etc… can’t be covered by k or s.

[@JamesSmith-fe2kr]

Go old English and have a new symbol for it while replacing all replaceable iterations of c.

[@GumSkyloard]

@@JamesSmith-fe2kr Woops, now we'll have 2 letters!

[@wildfire9280]

@@JamesSmith-fe2kr old English supremacy

[@kateyepawtch]

tsarlie

[@zyaicob]

The c in charlie is completely unrelated to the c in cello

[@yuyuyashasrain]

This is my new favorite song

[@ellie8272]

"Languages being poorly designed is a good thing, actually" - Jan Misali

[@rio1208]

This scares me. Your so calm. And made a 20 some minutes long video called “c”, you have earned my respect good sir.

[@jamburga321]

30*

[@opiesmith9270]

I thought this video was about the constant c. I was very surprised that no, it’s about the literal letter c. No I get it the speed of light gets all the love, while c gets dunked on constantly all over the internet.

[@GotTheBestLigma]

Removing it is a dead argument when you get to the "CH" combination words, like chow or chase.

[@David280GG]

Better replace ch by č and leave ch for k as in charisma

[@Kimbie]

8:11 Actually, sometimes in the same text! They had some early texts written like: say you began left- to-right, then you followed the text to its right end, down to the next line and read this one right-to-left, the next left-to-right, etc. kind of just following the page in a flow. I think that went archaic very early on but very interesting!

[@wtc5198]

That was called boustrophedon

[@jasonreed7522]

That sounds like and amazing piece of worldbuilding for any fantasy/ancient culture. And also could be used as such a mind bending tactic in the modern world, especially for puzzles or just to troll people. (Once in english class i rotated my book upsidedown and read like normal to see how long it took the teacher to notice, it was fun, i think it took 5min)

[@set-theory]

Glad Misali is spending time emphasising that we shouldn't follow progressivist (nor dual progressivist? regressivist?) views of historic development

[@dabbinggoose4317]

This is the best video in existence. Also I I’m “kindly” asking you to make the history of G.

[@jamburga321]

I've always loved the letter C but after seeing this, I started liking this letter even more, Thank you!!! :)

[@stevenglowacki8576]

I was waiting all video for the equivalent of the "That's Y" joke, and was not disappointed.

[@famitory]

english needs more letters, not less. bring back yogh and add a letter for χ to encourage its use in spelling loanwords purely because it's such a fun sound to make

[@lucaslourenco8918]

Nah, English need more vowels. Make Æ great again!

[@junoperberry]

how do you pronounce that long x thingy

[@doriangrayapologist]

I'm a proponent of accents!

[@rachsnest3751]

@@junoperberry if it's the Greek one I think it's pronounced like "key"

[@RofStyx4]

Don't forget about thorn and eth that got replaced by th even though they have distinct sounds from each other.

[@TheEvilmonkey25]

The title, lenght and thumbnail feel like a challenge to me.

[@cryst_al91]

this changed my life