how many Super Mario games are there?

[@HBMmaster]

part two kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3XHnp2Zrpife9U

[@TicTacToeCraft]

Already watched it 👍

[@needlessnoise]

came back to rewatch this one before watching the sequel 🎉

[@daymare0]

yay

[@mahirahmed6523]

@@needlessnoiseME TOOOO

[@Flapjack3734]

Im gonna throw up if i hear “SUPER MARIO BROS” one more time lol

[@richardtheconquerer]

The answer is simple: every video game ever made is part of the Super Mario series. My favorite Super Mario game is probably Red Dead Redemption 2

[@DoritoTime]

My parents would like this classification. To them, every game is "Mareo Brothers"

[@buddy546]

Doki Doki Literature Club is pretty great too

[@Pnod666]

Cookie Clicker is the 538962th Super Mario game.

[@quidrex]

Red Dead Redemption 2 is the best Final Fantasy

[@goodname9154]

My favorite Mario games are the legend of Zelda wand of gamalon/faces of evil

[@razbuten]

this was in fact actually an interesting question.

[@lix0347]

Kewl comment razbuten

[@T-a-k-o-z]

this is in fact an interesting comment

[@crinklefry6083]

A verified youtuber that I have never seen before? Here's a like.

[@intelligenceparadigm4931]

At this point I need to find a way to track your comments just so I can find more good content, dude

[@QuillOfEarth]

It's called having incredible thumbnail game. Good job!

[@Starnoxiar]

"There are hundreds of Mario games that exist, and even more that don't." The reason I love this channel

[@Patashu]

should I interpret this as 'there are more mario games that don't exist than mario games that do' or 'there are more not-mario games than mario games', because both are pretty deep

[@servilleta__6075]

@@Patashu yes

[@diribigal]

Even after seeing this comment before I finished the video, I still burst out laughing when I got to that line.

[@banjo304]

Waluigi Taco Stand recognition

[@ChorusKids]

I think maybe it's supposed to refer to cancelled games or fan games?

[@Apotheosister]

I love how this is primarily a essay about the Mario series but also doubles as a essay about franchise oddities. Re-releases, remakes, Spinoffs, temporary content and abunch of human bias. There definitely has been wackier abnormalities but this video covers most, and is also super good overall.

[@Eagle0600]

If you want to, you can also apply many of the lessons learned in this video to categorisation and labels in general. My takeaway is that while categories *can* be useful for communication, they will never capture reality perfectly, so we need to be prepared to set categories aside when they stop being useful. For example, if you want to challenge yourself to complete every Super Mario game, you're going to need a workable definition. But if you're asking whether you want to buy the new game that just came out, asking whether it's a Super Mario game is probably going to be less useful than a description of its gameplay, story, characters, and other qualities.

[@keelyparker8466]

@@Eagle0600I think that’s what I love so much about this video and why I’ve come back to it so many (and I mean SO many) times. It really makes me think about the extent to which my silly little brain needs to put things in boxes, even when there’s not an obviously coherent way to do so.

[@Xidnaf]

i have never played any of these games and i feel like i just watched a 45 minute video about "is a hotdog a sandwich" but if i'd never heard of hotdogs or sandwiches

[@Melker_A]

Wait a minute, haven’t you played a super Mario game?

[@otto9141]

Oh hey there xidnaf! I guess i shouldn't be surprised you're a jan misali watcher, considering the genre overlap between your videos. id love it if you made more!

[@merte.2047]

Yoooo dude love your content so much

[@jontedeakin1986]

Hey buddy

[@Kammerliteratur]

I played a few of them but feel more or less the same.

[@jahinzee]

jan Misali on AP54, December 2020: "Mario for the Game & Watch is the only obscure Mario fact I know" *7 months later*

[@travdump209]

is ap54 a podcast?

[@jahinzee]

@@travdump209 it's episode 54 of the Artifexian Podcast

[@Huntracony]

@@jahinzee Misaly was on that? I listened to that episode but only discovered Misaly much later. Shame on me for not checking out the guests.

[@samtrout5147]

“There are hundreds of Mario games that exist, and even more that don’t” Yes now I am afraid of the infinite possible Mario games that don’t exist.

[@Podzhagitel]

bowser’s big bean burrito

[@Johnbrowningmusic]

@@Podzhagitel oh god

[@jovenintensa]

@@Podzhagitel Would buy

[@nobelright4998]

I’m here at my

[@bluemagician9724]

Super Hornio Brothers

[@CaptainL]

I can't believe the first truly unambiguous entry in the Super Mario Bros series since 1990 was just announced

[@guywholovesmath]

I'm really not so sure. I keep watching the trailer, and it feels like the inverse of 3D World. A 2D mario game which plays like a 3D one. Collectibles were emphasized far more than other 2D games, and a lot of the levels looked mission based (there were definitely races going on for certain levels). So you know it could run into the same problem 3D World did just from the opposite perspective.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Still, given that it is basically built off of 3 and World, is 2d focused (even if it is collectible focused which was never a point of the beginning stuff) and is clearly Mario vs Bowser with no twists and stuff like that, depending on how much the Wonder Flower gimmicks rule the levels this could be the next unambiguous Super Mario game in consensus and gameplay tropes.

[@OmniChrome]

Wonder? No way is that a Super Mario game.

[@bruceambergraemeclaggedy2041]

Honestly, yeah. Super Mario wonder matches pretty much all the same criteria that SMB1, SMB3 and SMW do. It isn’t part of the “New” series, it isn’t a 3d game, and it is on a main Nintendo console.

[@liamsgreatbitgaming]

@@OmniChromet is literally called “Super Mario Bros Wonder”, which seems very straightforward to me. Would love to hear your argument

[@aaaah540]

1.1% of people really said, “Nah, Super Mario Bros. doesn’t count as a Super Mario game”

[@BitchChill]

What even is reality?

[@suburiboy]

@CybersheII yeah. The Super Mario mainline is 64, Sunshine, Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, and Shadow the hedgehog. They hit a bit of a dark age after that.

[@asackboyplush6508]

The bloody morons

[@punkitt]

You could probably argue that it isn't if your definition is skewed more towards newest-to-oldest because of how weird it is compared to other universally agreed "Super Mario" games. 3 and World play differently (same core components but still, there's a significant difference) that I could see you not counting it as a real "Super Mario" until 3 since both versions of 2 are weird fringe cases as basically a kaizo level pack or a reskinned game. I personally think it's a bit absurd, but there's definitely a case if you're lookin' for it.

[@Biomancer99]

@CybersheII Ah yes Sonic Adventure is a spinoff, not a mainline sonic game, right Cybershell?

[@perrincalzada9131]

That edit you did with Brian David Gilbert saying the Zelda Game Watch made me lose my mind I love it

[@uny4781]

i had been thinking about that video since they mentioned the BS games!

[@eac-ox2ly]

lmao this

[@aeternum49]

jan misali, master of ytp

[@jr637-1]

After learning about the Unraveled videos and binging all of them, this feels very much like a spiritual successor to those videos.

[@natestadler2352]

I miss BDG

[@shortyboio]

I’d like to argue “Mike Tyson’s Punch-Out!!” and “Punch-Out” are Super Mario games because Mario is the referee. because punch out is a platformer because you’re on a stage (platform) and mario is in it.

[@claus8148]

U are a fucking genious

[@MaxOakland]

Nope

[@the-letter_s]

nintendo hitsquad en route

[@KT-rp9tx]

You actually have a good point there. It's technically the truth...

[@chubbypapaya]

Thank you Diogenes

[@lavanda1605]

You were right! Super Mario Bros. Wonder is literally the first truly unambiguous title in the series since 1990 seeing as it's a 2D platformer, on a home nintendo console, with mario and super in the title, mario as the main playable character, and no "New" or 3D adjective in the title to complicate it. They finally made a true sequel to World. Only took 33 years for a definitive answer.

[@ohno5559]

Now this just makes me want to try and come up with some vaguely reasonable pretext not to include it. Ok, how's this: what if I decide that the title implies it's a spinoff-- maybe I only accept 2D platformers whose names are formatted "Super Mario ___", possibly followed by a number, where the larger series is broken up into subseries denoted by what that word is. So I would include SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, and Super Mario Land 1 and 2. Super Mario Bros Wonder therefore must be a spinoff, because if it were part of the "Bros" subseries, it would have to be called Super Mario Bros 4, and if it were part of a new subseries, it would have to be called just "Super Mario Wonder".

[@PossiblyCoolAnimations]

@@ohno5559daisy’s in it, thats a reason

[@FormulePoeme807]

For it to be unambiguous, it would need to be called "Super Mario Bros 4(5 for japan i think)"

[@Sumisuu]

But is the Switch Lite really a home console?

[@PossiblyCoolAnimations]

@@Sumisuu kind of, id say its both a handheld and a home console

[@thomassimon7586]

Ah yes, my favorite KZbin video: "how many Super Mario games are there?" or, how I like to call it: "An Inquiry into Typology, Ontology & Cognitive Science"

[@szurmatpl]

Underrated comment

[@MrGamelover23]

So basically Vsauce.

[@necr0mancrr]

I would like to have a conversation with the 1.1% of people who don’t consider Super Mario Bros to be part of the Super Mario franchise

[@asackboyplush6508]

Me too

[@jiffylou98]

They voted Delaware only and ran away screeching

[@svenweiland3322]

Probably not the best conversation you would have had :D haha lol. - 1.1% of people presumably

[@r-9aarrowhead829]

I don't think any of them were both serious and knew anything about the Mario series

[@MattRose30000]

but that's like, just their opinion, man /s

[@poppyseeds3290]

The fact that someone wrote in “the state of Delaware” as a Mario game is driving me insane

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Are they wrong though?

[@CacoPholey]

I mean you could probably a decent mario game out of The State of Delaware

[@franrogers5723]

I consider it part of the Delawario series.

[@Duiker36]

@@franrogers5723 No, it's part of the -ware series. There's Delaware, WarioWare, and Bioware.

[@Bacony_Cakes]

@@Duiker36 Don't forget Adware and Warewolves and Warehouse.

[@Anthaneus]

I’ve heard the phrase “new soup” so many times that I didn’t even question it until he said “new soup” like 20 times

[@l33tsaber]

"Why are you buying Mario Bros. at the soup store?!"

[@iantaakalla8180]

“I’m at New Soup”

[@FrothingFanboy]

NEW soup? What was wrong with the old soup?

[@DannehBoi90]

It originates from Superman comics if I remember, people called him "Supes" at times, pronounced like "soups", and then it eventually caught on for Mario games.

[@Door227]

@@FrothingFanboyrat poison

[@the_quintsly]

This is like if Unraveled stayed raveled. This is the talking-about-mythology-for-an-hour cut of the Castlevania Unraveled and I absolutely love it.

[@nepunepu5894]

Unraveled might be ended. But it still lives on in our hearts.

[@jameswoods8843]

First: great comment, Second: I used that exact profile picture for a while so seeing it on someone else through me for a loop. In fact I had cropped the image myself, and yours looks to be using the same crop so I wonder if I was the source for the one you are using

[@K..C]

Ikr, this video reminded me of the link timeline unraveled

[@thatoneguy9582]

38:47 he is fully aware

[@nepunepu5894]

@@jameswoods8843 is the question directed to me or quintsly?

[@billyweed835]

"The fully uncontroversial game in this series are:" Some part of me fully expected you to start making vowel noises.

[@eac-ox2ly]

LMAO

[@PedroHLima12]

😂😂😂😂

[@hughcaldwell1034]

I did not have that expectation but I am laughing far too hard at the mental image now.

[@billyweed835]

@@hughcaldwell1034 It happens for me every time jan Misali says "are" followed by a slight pause.

[@mrpedrobraga]

@@billyweed835 The slight pause is the sound of a colon.

[@BigR.O.B.]

There is no stand-alone Mario series. It's just a Donkey Kong spin-off.

[@vacuousversifer90]

Oh my god Please no ***No***

[@pentagonanimates]

oh.

[@kjmagginoodlez9537]

Lol idk why but I love the fact that this statement was made by R. O. B.

[@williamwashburn7665]

Oh gosh your technically right but by that logic every book is a remix of the dictionary and every dictionary is a remix of human language

[@FriskyD.]

@@williamwashburn7665 these are also true.

[@konkondotzip]

Super Mario Bros. Wonder might become the first game in decades to be unanimously considered part of the Super Mario series because of its name and because it's not related to the New Super Mario Bros. games, which some people count separately

[@anneprocter]

I feel like some people will argue it falls within New Soup anyway

[@deleetiusproductions3497]

Even if it doesn't, it's definitely gonna at least be the 19th game in the mainline Super Mario series.

[@DaytilionJamesJrIII]

@@anneprocterI love a good relaxalax reference

[@Nora_345]

I literally scrolled to see if someone talked about wonder

[@PUTRiDLegacy]

@@DaytilionJamesJrIIIDidn’t he abuse his wife

[@da3m0nic_79]

“Who’s right, and why are so many other people wrong?” That quote goes harder than I expected damn.

[@yeehawo7]

out of context, mindblowing. in context, hilarious

[@steverempel8584]

I want to start a new KZbin series with that title right now....

[@lyricalcarpenter]

“Human subcultures are nested fractally. There’s no bottom.” -Randall Munroe

[@Bacony_Cakes]

personally i think crazy straws are kinda weird and stupid

[@CJWproductions]

@@Bacony_Cakes i think they're weird, but not stupid

[@elizabethkasner5799]

@@CJWproductionsi think that if they're spun clockwise they're weird but not stupid, and if they're spun in a vertical clockwise fashion with more than 3 loops they're neither weird nor stupid

[@dannydevito7000]

@@elizabethkasner5799 Based

[@dangerousglasses7995]

"I disagree strongly with whatever work this quote is attached to." -Randall Munroe

[@dustinmock5016]

I just watched this whole video. Insane that you can produce content at this length and maintain quality. Almost 47 minutes and none of it is filler, in fact there is hardly a breath between sentences, not to mention the pace at which you speak would be considered quite rapid to start with. Admittedly towards the end my brain was pretty fried, and the words were just bouncing around in my skull (it doesn't help this was posted at 11pm lol). Great content as always.

[@user-bv7um1ds7y]

They make great content but my brain was also fried by the end *insert it's always sunny meme*

[@guy-sl3kr]

Super Mario series new game remake land plus Nintendo unique 3D Wario watch platformer Yoshi U bros rerelease entry Luigi deluxe world 2 advance spin-off port maker USA

[@ChristmasPterodactyl]

@@user-bv7um1ds7y which one?

[@xiphactinusaudax1045]

how slow do people talk around you when his speech is considered rapid?

[@jaredtherock5692]

I watched this again, and this question somehow has such a nuance of analysis that the amount of answers to this question is comparable to the amount of interpretations there are to the Bible

[@trevorwiant8838]

"There's no way I'm finishing this video, it's so long and there are unambiguously 18 Super Mario games." *47 minutes later* "Huh."

[@Magic_Ice]

“Yes your honor, Warioware smooth moves is a Super Mario game and should have been in 3D All Stars”

[@IcyDiamond]

I mean there are Mario microgames in it so…

[@kimgkomg]

Can't wait for Mario's 40th anniversary where we get Super Mario 3d all stars 2, featuring: - WarioWare Smooth moves (Wii) - Super Mario bros. 3 (Unreleased PC version) - Dr. Mario & Tetris (SNES) - Super Mario Run (Android/ios) - Kid Icarus (NES) - Super Mario Pinball (GB) - Kaettekita Mario Bros. (FDS) And of course, how could we forget: - Mario Cooking Noodle (Adobe Flash)

[@Running_Colours]

@@kimgkomg i think golf (NES) should be included too

[@egon3705]

@@Running_Colours and sm63

[@christianwhittall5889]

“Death”- The Judge

[@milk6982]

This is like overhearing a heated debate at a coffee shop that you would have never in your wildest dreams imagined existing but is somehow very interesting

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Facts

[@EtherBotGames]

one time i overheard two teenage boys on the bus arguing with other about whether it was worthwhile to live a noble but unremembered life. one was saying there's zero point in helping people if you have no legacy whatsoever, and the other was of the opinion that helping others carried innate value that inherently makes the world better, and so even if you're forgotten about it still was a net positive. Maybe one of the most surreal experiences of my life

[@wyattmiller9539]

​@@EtherBotGames taking the bus in Athens

[@WhyGodby]

​@@wyattmiller9539really hope they took philosophy later

[@the_player_2]

new soup mmmmmmmmmmmm

[@zaphodbeeblebrox7893]

Super Mario 63 is a flash fan game that is so good, that as a kid I assumed it was an official game. It's sort of a 2D version of 64, with a ton of Sunshine and Galaxy thrown into the mix, but its unique enough from those that I count it as it's own game. Dig up a flash emulator if you wish that 2D mario had that same collectathon vibe that 64, sunshine, and Odyssey do

[@salsaandbrwx1449]

super mario flash by poeuetpu games counts as a mainline super mario series.

[@ZachAttack6089]

Yooo Super Mario 63 is one of my favorite games of all time! It's definitely not a "Super Mario game" but it's high-quality enough to be one. The main story levels were just like any other Super Mario game and had pretty fair difficulty. It even had a janky level editor where you could modify the level codes to make enemies act like NPCs or put colored text on signs. Fantastic game, I must have spent hundreds of hours with it as a kid lol.

[@someeggplant]

"oh, this will be a fun, light video." -my perception of reality crumbles to ashes in my tear-soaked hands over a "game series" I've played very little of.

[@NoriMori1992]

Same bro. 🤝

[@irishjet2687]

"When I was a kid me and my brother developed a set of rules for footracing outside loosely based on Super Mario Galaxy, which was the only Mario game we owned. We called it Speedster Comets, and it counts as a mainline Super Mario game." So, there's like 19 then.

[@lolthisismyhandlenow]

ok

[@j100j]

I dId NoT kNoW yOuR bRoThEr Is MiAmOtO.

[@givecamichips]

@@j100j I like how this implies Shigeru Miyamoto only owns Super Mario Galaxy

[@mcmonkey26]

@@givecamichips it also implies that super mario galaxy existed when shigeru miyamoto was a kid

[@CraitMerc]

"As opposed to the rest of the Mario games, which did really happen" Exactly, Mario gave me a lift into town on his kart the other day, such a nice guy.

[@Alex-xk5xt]

among me and my friends this video is used as a shorthand for what a flawless video essay looks like

[@girlhag]

yep, rewatching because it’s in my extremely prestigious “greatest videos on the platform” playlist

[@voidify3]

The dry jokes in this video are hilarious. "A title consisting of 3 adjectives, a letter referring to a console the game is not for, the name of an iconic game character, and the word bros", "finally people can play these classic games on a screen too small to see the game", "wow nintendo is good at naming things", amazing

[@Whispernyan]

Honestly my favorite one was "After all, they are the ones who lost the levels in the first place". It was just so unexpected and probably not even really meant as a joke but I just found it so funny for some reason.

[@woahdude5553]

the super mario watch section, and the yoshi island section "both! love wins" and then when it switched to wario "both! love wahs"

[@TerrayunaOwl]

@@Lumpfriend What are takodachis doing here?

[@Zaneclodon]

what a fascinating topic! personally, i think the question of "is this a Super Mario game" is a bit too complicated to simplify down to a boolean answer: just for a few complexities, there's the ports, enhanced ports, and remakes (which i would consider super mario games that don't add to the number of "unique" games in the series), there's the many obscure edge cases i learned new things about, and there's Half-Game Limbo. also here's my take on super mario world 2: yoshi's island and wario land: super mario land 3: they're not super mario games, but they're more closely related than anything else in their respective subseries, like the part of a branch that connects to the trunk. oh and isn't it weird that the order of title and subtitle swapped between yoshi's island: super mario advance 3 and super mario advance 4: super mario bros. 3? i don't think i've seen anyone specifically point that out (i'm sure someone has), but because of this seemingly nonsensical swap, both titles end in 3.

[@copycat2696]

You could say that these two form their own "Mario Advance 3" mini-series

[@chocokittybo]

@@copycat2696 This is a frightening comment, I am in awe of your power

[@Zaneclodon]

@@benjamintoulouse7052 that's a solution, i guess, but the complexity of a full percentage score seems more confusing than enlightening here. just a few intermediate statuses would probably be enough for my tastes and avoid needing one sharp cutoff between distinct games that are part of the series count and games that aren't distinct enough or "super mario" enough to count. all depends on how you prefer to interpret the question!

[@Zaneclodon]

@@benjamintoulouse7052 honestly, i think that it's a better idea to have multiple different classification systems in use for different purposes. if you're asking "how many distinct games are in the mainline Super Mario series" then a scale with just a few steps is better (2 or 3 seem most apt and have their own pros and cons), but if you're asking "how many kinds of Super Mario game are there" or "would this particular release be considered a Super Mario game" then a rating system with a wider scale makes more sense. that's my opinion, certainly fun to think about!

[@JMZReview]

"Boolean answer"? Really weird way to say "yes or no answer"

[@0Marty0]

"You're PROBABLY watching this video in the future." Thank you for being inclusive to time travellers, who for some reason decided to bring this video to the past with them

[@Dargonhuman]

My time travel plan is to load a bunch of mind blowing future media onto a flash drive and bring it back to when those different media are first invented to encourage the inventors to keep going. ... Wait, they're not going to have anything to plug the flash drive into. Dangit!

[@Gilgo_]

Woah, I read this comment at the exact time it was said in the video! What a coincidence

[@thegameshack3529]

@@Dargonhuman bring a laptop!

[@gwest3644]

@@thegameshack3529 Presumably one with a beefy battery, nowhere to charge it. If you go far enough electricity just doesn’t exist, then again I doubt you could use a 19th century steam engine to charge a 21st century computer.

[@DescendDab]

@@gwest3644 could also bring a solar powerbank. Just make sure not to break it 😎

[@TileblockRJ]

That comment at the end about a future game being "the first truly unambiguous entry into the Super Mario since 1990" could genuinely apply to Super Mario Bros. Wonder. Think about it, it should meet the criteria all three unambiguous titles do. - A game with Super Mario in the title - A fully original game - A 2D Mario game without the "New" moniker - Mario is the main player character It's possible that it falls into a middle zone like Sonic Mania where it's status as a 2D game in a largely 3D series at this point discludes it in some peoples minds but I'd think itd be fun to have a game basically everyone agrees is a mainline game again.

[@AltName7]

I think the main thing that discludes Mania is that it's partially an old level compilation on top of its original content. By that same token though, doesn't Sonic Frontiers include reused level geometry for some levels? Defining mainline entries is tricky, dang.

[@RobinSpellbinder04]

After hours of self-introspection, I have decided that Duck Hunt is the best Super Mario game

[@kingofcrap4414]

I can only imagine Jon Arbuckle sitting in deep silence for several hours before suddenly that Duck Hunt is the best Super Mario Bros. game.

[@CLOYO]

@Tom Ffrench except what if it wasn't a person shooting?

[@godofmediocrity7582]

@@CLOYO perhaps you're right next to the dog, camoflauged in the greenery, not shooting away from the screen, but towards it.

[@ultimxtemiracxler]

Wait I thought Metal gear solid was the best Mario game :/

[@yourbellboy]

that's rough, buddy 😔

[@zanthiablue5254]

the fact that you changed "love wins" to "love wahs" when changing the yoshi island analysis list to wario land is just, *chefs kiss* perfect.

[@evilbird4012]

Yes

[@plushenjoyingfiend4335]

love *wahs*

[@VasiliosStefanis]

Love wins brah

[@timohara7717]

Cant find it

[@Nyaliva]

Oh my gosh, good catch! I love it! 😆

[@CinciRon]

24:52 "I don't want to just give you a list of Mario games and tell you that's the right answer; my goal here is to present the tools necessary to create your own." I never wanted these tools, nor will I ever need them, but by God I now have them.

[@dolphin5177]

Yeah it's like getting a tool for a super specific part of farming that was last used in like 400 ad

[@remixtheidiot5771]

​@@dolphin5177no its more like getting the tools necessary to do a job that has become obsolete and is not practiced anymore for thousands of years.

[@purpleisdebeste]

Was that a good transition? He was talking about Mario Maker

[@theShadeslayer]

I love how youtube provides a space for incredibly niche analysis videos on subjects like this.

[@channel12985]

I consider Sting's debut solo album "Dream of the Sea Turtles" to be a mainline Mario game and no one can convince me otherwise.

[@sonarchy5158]

Super Mario Bros 2 was a dream by Mario We can safely assume that the inhabitants of New Donk City are humans When you put Mario next to a New Donker, you clearly see that Mario isn't human And, of course, which known species isn't human? Sea Turtles Mario is a Sea Turtle and Sting's debut solo album is a reference to Super Mario Bros. 2

[@channel12985]

@@sonarchy5158 Couldn't have put it better myself

[@lawrencecalablaster568]

*Blue Turtles

[@quad7685]

I love the internet

[@Dargonhuman]

@@quad7685 It's moments like this that make me really happy to be part of this kind of community.

[@f4rr3r]

If Captain Toad came out in the 90s it would have been called “Super Mario 3D World 2: Captain Toad’s Treasure Tracker” and would have had just as good an argument as Wario Land and Yoshi’s Island.

[@Stevoisiak]

I hate how true this is

[@Rabid_Nationalist]

Yea....

[@Alfonso162008]

"Super Mario 3D World" would've also had to come out in the 90s for that title to make any sense. But assuming that's the case, that still wouldn't make either Captain Toad, Wario Land or Yoshi's Island to be part of the main series, since having "Super Mario Land 3" or "Super Mario World 4" as part of the title was decided only for marketing reasons, to have a new series or game attached to a more well known or popular series. I think that if you include Yoshi's Island or the first Wario Land as part of the Super Mario series, you'd have to include ALL of the Yoshi's and Wario games.

[@SavageGreywolf]

There is ONE difference with Yoshi's Island: it actually has Mario in it. He is, in fact, on-screen more than any other character, including every single one of the playable Yoshis. It can even be described as a 2D platformer where the goal is to run and jump through the levels while ensuring that Mario does not die due to hitting enemies or obstacles. In other words, a Mario game.

[@Finntendo]

There was no "carry baby Mario" sections in 'Mario World' or sections where you play as Wario in 'Super Mario Land' tho.

[@Zyphon]

I like how the game for this video is set to Yoshi's Island

[@SemiHypercube]

hello there

[@speedycube64]

i watched 1000 super mario speedruns this is what i learned?

[@HEyZEus-tv7et]

The true origin story

[@MuscarV2]

What? I don't get what you're trying to say here, you either went full idiot and wrote something different than what you meant or you're saying something that has no logical meaning.

[@TheCyanSqueegee]

@@MuscarV2 He's saying that when you look in the description, under the "games" section, the game being listed as being shown in the video is Yoshi's Island. P.S. Hi Raymond

[@xtra3678]

i think super mario wonder is gonna be a new entirely non controversial entry since it's not yet part of a greater series or anything, not new soup, not handheld purism, not 3d, ect.

[@usernametaken017]

I mean the switch is a handheld, and the artstyle is very different from anything we've seen before. I assume it would be about as controversial as the 3D games

[@champion_ofcloud-var]

@@usernametaken017 mario 1 looks nothing like mario world what do you mean

[@Kosmicd12]

Loved this video! I've also done a lot of thinking/discussing on this, as part of the "Mainline Mario Marathon" I did (beating every mainline game in 1 day). I came up with the same main list of 18 as the one presented in this video! I guess I wasn't actually answering the exact same question, since I think I'd actually have different answers for what counts as a mainline game, and what counts as part of the "Super Mario series." Things like Mario Run, Mario Maker, Super Mario Deluxe, etc. and even Super Mario Bros. Special I would include in that. But I think the mainline list is the list of 18. The two possible exceptions are: Mario Maker 2, since it has a single player campaign. But it would be strange to include it and not Mario Maker 1 lol. And then Bowser's Fury. It wasn't actually out yet when I did the marathon, and I'm still not really sure how I'd answer this. I'd definitely include it if I beat all the games in a day again, since I think it fits perfectly into that scenario, but I'm not sure I'd call it a standalone mainline Mario game. By far the most common question that was brought up was why I didn't include Yoshi's Island, since it's *clearly* Super Mario World 2! But the gameplay is obviously so different. I'd tell them it was a Yoshi game, they'd say that was revisionist history lol. I'd always bring up Wario Land: SML3 and they weren't willing to include that. Pure hypocrisy! I'm glad you brought up Wario Land in this exact spot as well haha. Anyway, love your videos and it was extra fun to listen to you talk about something so directly up my alley. Add me as a +1 to the 2.15% that made the list of 18 games!

[@wdwuccnxcnh7022]

This is the crossover I never expected to happen

[@ohay12]

As soon as the video mentioned "mainline Mario series" being an alternate name for the "Super Mario series" I disagreed but also thought of your marathon as a fairly respected source on the question, and I was impressed to see that the most common list (and jan Misali's preferred list) matched it exactly! (I then scrolled down to see if anyone had commented a similar thing, and saw your comment at 1 minute old, but I wanted to watch the rest of the video before reading the whole thing) The part of the video about the "3D Mario series" was also very interesting, as the Super Mario 602 took the stance of excluding 3D Land and 3D World (although then the 982 sprung up and added 3D World but still not 3D Land, probably as part of the "home console bias" mentioned in the video). A lot of my personal experience with the Mario franchise comes from watching speedruns and so I have biases towards what the speedrun community has agreed on, but if there is such a thing as the "3D Mario series" then surely 3D Land should also be included. I can understand excluding both games in the claim that they aren't "open world/sandbox games", but I think the status of 3D Land should go along with 3D World, and perhaps the reason it hasn't is that 3DS capture devices are difficult to come by and so speedrunners can't easily include it in their events. I'm interested to know what your thoughts on this topic are, and whether it's fair to call the 602/982 a marathon of the 3D Mario series or whether it should just be seen as a collection of interesting speedgames that don't form a complete set (after all, we'd have to add Odyssey now and that would add 8+ hours onto an event that is already intimidating in length). edit: Oh, and I suppose Bowser's Fury is also in contention as a "3D Mario" game as well now, so we get to have that whole debate again!

[@Quate32]

I have a logically consistent reason for including Yoshi's Island but excluding Wario Land: I do not believe the Super Mario Land series, as a whole, is part of the mainline Super Mario franchise. I only hold that belief out of home console supremacy, though.

[@Kosmicd12]

@@ohay12 the 602 predates all of those games. The real reasons for those categories existing are that 602 was originally all 3d mario stars, then 3d land came out and it's kinda not the same and doesn't have stars, 3d world is sometimes added purely for the fact that it has stars, and Odyssey is rarely but sometimes included purely for time reasons. The run is already 20 hours long, most people barely want to try that let alone that plus Odyssey 880. I think 3dw is added just for fun where possible. I don't think it fits the category. 3d land 285 medals fits even less. The dumbest thing is when people will question whether 3dl/3dw are "3d mario games" and sometimes go as far as saying they're "2.5d" or something stupid like that. They are obviously 3d mario games lol, and it's hilarious to question this for the titles which literally have 3d in the name. They're simply not traditional 3d mario games, and that's a perfectly fine distinction

[@platinum-or3y]

helo

[@summen2488]

I find it very interesting that it has been more than a year since this video or Bowser's Fury was released and a new game has yet to be announced that would make this video outdated. 21.06.23 EDIT: Super Mario Bros. Wonder was just announced :D

[@timothymclean]

Shigeru Miyamoto really liked the video and is blocking Nintendo's efforts to render it obsolete [citation needed]

[@night-rider-lily]

Clearly the next entry will be a licensed Super Mario movie game

[@sarinabina5487]

What about the Mario Rabbids games?👀

[@goose7618]

@@sarinabina5487 not mainline. Those are tactical real time strategy games not platformers

[@sarinabina5487]

@@goose7618 OH RIGHT fair enough i forgot lol. Happy Holidays btw!💖

[@NathanielBandy]

This has been in recommended every single day since release, I need to watch this finally lol

[@Redstoniste]

Same

[@2-_]

Yo i love your videos

[@Icerope-km9lu]

Heyyyy we got a celebrity here!

[@crinklefry6083]

Hi Nath love ur vids

[@con_tent]

Cool

[@McBehrer]

17:00 I feel like the main distinction here is that Luigi IS one of the Mario Bros, while Wario definitively is NOT.

[@anonymone453]

Practically the only thing Wario Land games have in common with the rest of the Mario franchise is Wario himself. The mechanics are different, the enemies are different, the levels are fairly nonlinear I feel like these are the reasons the Wario Land games aren't Super Mario Games. They're a spinoff series. Luigi U, however, plays identically to NSMBU

[@Histgyph]

Are we completely sure wario isn’t siblings with Mario and Luigi?

[@McBehrer]

@@Histgyph yes

[@Jotari]

@@Histgyph Wario is German, Marios are Italian.

[@Histgyph]

@@Jotari I somehow never knew that

[@socksygen]

"When I was a kid me and my brother developed a set of rules for footracing outside loosely based on Super Mario Galaxy, which was the only Mario game we owned. We called it Speedster Comets, and it counts as a mainline Super Mario game."

[@jiffylou98]

"there's nothing in the rulebook that says a pair of toddlers can't make a mainline Super Mario Game"

[@bksl09]

I've been thinking a lot about this comment ever since I read it a few moments ago

[@GomerJ]

I dunno it kinda feels like to me a lot of “experts” are prone to include things like Satelleview, Special, Hotel etc. to flex their knowledge of obscure Mario games rather than honestly answer the question.

[@AAA-qm9km]

As if there's such thing as an obscure Mario game lmao.

[@reillocb]

@@AAA-qm9km don't act like game & watch, game watch, and watch aren't obscure

[@seronymus]

@@AAA-qm9km Why are you a lesbian?

[@seronymus]

@@AAA-qm9km I'm Palestinian actually luv xoxo

[@AAA-qm9km]

@@seronymus should have checked your channel first because I'm used to these comments being unironic

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

My only theory for NSMB2 being included but not NSMB1 is that they figured NSMB Wii was the same game as NSMB1, and went for the home console version, either because they think home console games take priority or because they assumed it was a Wii-to-DS port, something that was known to happen. I’ve heard of NSMB1/NSMBWii mixups happening a lot, especially considering how similar the games are. Nintendo even called it NSMB *for Wii* during most of the publicity, which might muddy the water.

[@saifuusuri]

I never would've expected someone to call 3 watches a "trilogy". My world is crumbling around me.

[@SpaghettiEnterprises]

triumverate

[@fabiob7261]

Isn't a trilogy also a kind of ring? Was that a pun?

[@dionyzus2909]

​@@fabiob7261 they did make a trilogy with rings in the title, but I think you might have had a stroke and lost your vocabulary or something, that's far from what it means

[@fabiob7261]

@@dionyzus2909 no I just checked, a trilogy ring is a ring with three stones, I saw it while searching for the engagement ring for my fiancée, there's a famous one from Tiffany for like 10k or something ridiculous like that Also yeah the pun was never there, I did have a stroke I think

[@BagOfMagicFood]

Makes more sense than Super Mario All-Stars containing a trilogy of four games.

[@blueheartorangeheart3768]

Nobody: so you like Mario? Name every Super Mario game Jan Misali: and I took that personally

[@toadfrommariokart64]

nobody?

[@General12th]

@@toadfrommariokart64 nobody.

[@Ondohir]

@@General12th Nobody:

[@lukealias1uk345]

Always has been.

[@toadfrommariokart64]

no but really. why "nobody"?

[@TheRtRevKaiser]

Yoshi's Island reminds me of a "backdoor pilot" in a TV series. It was named as if it were part of the main series, but it was the launching point for a spinoff series featuring a side character with distinct gameplay.

[@catswellthecat7855]

That’s a really good analogy

[@russellgxy2905]

That's a pretty good way of looking at it actually! Also thank you for teaching me the term "backdoor pilot"

[@rocketgeek96]

So what you're saying is that Yoshi's Island is to Super Mario Bros. what Steamed Hams was to the Simpsons, but if it was actually successful instead. Huh. Cool.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I would have loved a world where Steamed Hams was a spinoff starter because that would extend The Simpson franchise in a meaningful way such that a 32-year reign made sense.

[@BlueSatoshi]

21:53 If I remember correctly, one of the 2020 leaks revealed Yoshi's Island had the subtitle "Super Mario Bros. 5" at some point. 39:10 Some earlier builds of SMW had the title "Super Mario Bros. 4: Super Mario World". 42:39 Technically speaking, it can all be traced back to Nintendo losing the license to make Popeye games and having to replace those characters with original ones.

[@Hoxeel]

I will have my very own "Behold, a Man" situation when I ask folks on their opinions on what constitutes a mainline mario game now, thank you for providing the food for thought

[@PokeWeekly]

The mainline super mario series is actually a featherless nulliped.

[@LostSoulSilver]

Behold, a mainline Mario game! Super Mario Bros Game & Watch (1986)

[@iantaakalla8180]

When you can claim Sticker Star is a mainline Mario game because it has platforming, classic Mario enemies, and even Luigi and Toad

[@remiwi2399]

These "category" videos (like this and the platonic solids video) are some of my favorites of yours. Something about it slowly scaling out further and further until reaching true madness when we question if a mcdonalds watch toy is part of the Mario series

[@guy-sl3kr]

The watch is definitely a Mario game but what does it mean to be part of the "Mario series"? I demand a follow-up video where the scope of the question is broadened to all Mario games

[@Tesseract_King]

"Now we need to talk about the Petrie dual. The Petrie dual of the original Super Mario Bros. is Sonic the Hedgehog, of course, but things get more complicated when we look at..."

[@indigohalf]

I'm one of the 6 people who didn't know what the deal is with Super Mario Bros 2 but is also invested enough to make it 8 minutes into a video about Super Mario games, so thanks for explaining that. ("I promise this is an interesting question" is an attitude I like in a video.)

[@MissPoplarLeaf]

Same here. I've never played any Mario games in my life, but I love videos like this. I've watched the entire Unraveled series like twice and rewatched some of the videos 3 or more times lol

[@fiaTheFae]

Same! I grew up playing Mario, too! I mean, not a LOT, but like, I had the games, I played some of them sometimes.

[@beezany]

OK, my wife & I are also in this group. Where's #6? haha

[@wowwhatabeautifuldayoutside]

joining the group, ive barely played any mario games (my parents didnt buy any for our wii for various reasons, but i did play galaxy 1 and kart wii, and i owned, like, mario & sonic winter olympics. too young for previous consoles, newer ones cost too much TwT) and i didnt know about the mario 2 thing, though both games looked familiar - i mightve seen video of them before...

[@hughcaldwell1034]

I think I might count as half of an ignoramus in this context. I knew there was some weirdness that I'd heard of but forgotten, and wasn't surprised at the lack of SMB2 in the list. I was just sitting there trying to remember before he explained it - and I failed.

[@Hexagonal_Goblin]

Regarding what you said about how the alternate interpretations affect how people answer the questions about ports, I'd love to see a follow up survey which breaks it down into two questions: 1. If you purchase this product, do you get a Super Mario game? and 2. Did the release of this game constitute a new entry in the Super Mario Bros. Series? The problem is if you do this survey it'll probably have selection bias towards people who have given this substantially more thought than the average person, thanks to this video. Edit: This kinda happened in part II (yay!) which I participated in (yay!) and produced the same bias I expected!! (yay?) Sweet.

[@Pickle-oh]

"So unless you're satisfied with [there being infinitely many Super Mario games that could've been released but weren't], there needs to be some sort of standard of existence for a game to be part of this series." Yeah, I too agree that a game needs to exist in order to count.

[@Travellerz08]

"This game is an officially lisenced romhack of the lost levels" what That is so incredibly cursed

[@eac-ox2ly]

Right? Even more cursed is how the bizarre color pallette and glitchy graphics of the game make it look like something out of a creepy pasta lmao.

[@19Szabolcs91]

I know, right? When VS. Super Mario Bros. was released for the Switch, I was like whaaaaaat this is an official update / mix of SMB1 and Lost Levels, AND THEN a little later I found out that there was another one, but it was the other way around (using Lost Levels as the base game instead of SMB1).

[@Arkouchie]

I actually saw it in person the day before this video came out. Someone i know has a famicom with a famicom disk system with this game. It blew my mind then, so imagine my surprise when its mentioned here.

[@MungkaeX]

I’d argue the issue with New Super Mario Bros 2 may have been survey fatigue, in that after spending what the survey taker deems “too long”, their responses become less thought out and more impulsive.

[@Ruminations09]

The survey was literally only one question - after getting basic demographic info (like your familiarity with the Mario franchise, whether you are a subscriber of Misali's, and how you found the survey) it was "here is a list of games, put a checkmark next to the ones you think are part of the Super Mario series". I completed the survey in less than two minutes, it was one of the quickest surveys I've ever taken.

[@MungkaeX]

@@Ruminations09 While it is one similar question; each game is it’s own question of is this particular game a main-line Mario game. Your assertion that you finished this survey in two minutes proves that you did not think about your responses. As it would take almost two minutes to blindly check a box for each game without thinking at all about them. It is exactly these types of haphazard responses to surveys that give such statistical oddities as the video goes into. Perhaps YOU didn’t FEEL like you had ever reached a point of survey fatigue, but it’s clear your responses were affected by it throughout the whole survey, rather than only through part of it.

[@Ruminations09]

@@MungkaeX I promise you that I did think about my responses - almost too much in fact - because I get active enjoyment out of overthinking silly topics like this. Nonetheless, the survey was still so short that even when I was overthinking everything, it still only took me a few minutes. Frankly, I get the impression you haven't even looked at the survey itself, because that's the only way I could see anyone arguing that it's too long and would enduce survey fatigue. It was literally just a single page survey.

[@MungkaeX]

@@Ruminations09 sounds more like you fundamentally don’t understand the term “survey fatigue” and how it impacts participant responses. The example of New Super Mario Bros 2 looms as a statistical anomaly in this exact survey; but survey fatigue is a well documented explanation for such an abnormality within the data. Rather than attacking my assertion of survey fatigue being a cause of such anomalies in the data; why don’t you propose your own explanation for such an oddity? It’s very easy to simply say “nuh uh”, but provides nothing of value to the discussion nor any insight into the data. It’s also important to recognize that your own personal anecdotal experience is not emblematic of the entire population of participants. If it was there would be no discussion, nor interesting data to analyze.

[@Ruminations09]

@@MungkaeX I know what survey fatigue is. But the fact of the matter is that a single page, single question survey is not long enough for it to set in. You genuinely don't seem to understand how short this survey was. Regarding your second point: I don't need to have an alternate explanation to argue that your explanation is wrong. To be frank, I don't have an alternate explanation. That doesn't make your argument de facto correct though. What you're doing right now is called an "argument from ignorance" - basically saying that because I don't have any contrary evidence, your argument must be correct. But that isn't a logically sound argument. You could literally do this with any argument no matter how absurd. If I claimed that seven turtles conspired together to create the Big Bang, and you told me I was wrong, I could use the exact same argument you just made: what's your explanation for the Big Bang? And it would be exactly as logically sound as the argument you just made. Regarding your third point, my personal experience *TAKING* the survey is not what led to my specific answers, and other people having different experiences with the survey are not what led them to giving different answers. That's determined by things that happened *prior* to the survey. For example, whether the people you knew in your life considered 3D Land and 3D World to be part of the mainline series, or if you've ever been prone to home-console elitism. That's not to say that every person had the exact same experience with the survey itself - they almost certainly didn't - but those differences are not what caused the different answers and it's frankly kind of weird to imply it is.

[@Polyeith]

I do understand the points on counting an original game & its port. my reasoning behind it is not that they are separate games, but that one is 'original' and the other is the 'definitive' way to play it, so it deserves to be mentioned.

[@jillpalmer8532]

I don’t agree with any of the people who choose to only count titles with “super” in the name because obviously Nintendo is awful at naming these games

[@cyberneticsquid]

Can’t wait for Nintendo to release a game called “The Super Mario Series” and make this video extremely confusing

[@LukeOrionMarble]

If super is in that means you count RPG, Super Mario Party, Super Mario Kart, and Super Paper Mario

[@noeljonsson3578]

i always found it funny with super in the title because in swedish super means drinking (specifically alcohol, and not in small quantities either) so “super mario?” is a valid question.

[@ZipplyZane]

I think there's some validity to that, simply because of the name. I don't get why you wouldn't say the "mainline Super Mario titles." That makes it clear it's the mainline Mario games that exist after Super Mario was created.

[@driveasandwich6734]

You are right, but I don't think any of the games without "Super" in the title earned inclusion.

[@aggressivelymidtier825]

This is the kind of obsessive and stupid semantics arguing that I absolutely love to take part in

[@robertwyatt3912]

It’s the greatest kind of pissing match.

[@Anodyne_Akôn]

The greater lengths you go to make a point, the better ; thus making this video exeplary in that regard.

[@caviicape]

i try not to tire out my friends with these types of arguments but they’re so fun

[@ZiroZenStudios]

39:52 “The State of Delaware” is my favourite Mario game! How could anyone exclude it from the list?!

[@TheAustronaut03]

"i hate this what have you done to me" is also a very underrated mario game

[@allenliu4956]

@@Crowsie That's the one where Mario has a portal gun, right?

[@DarrionTheIdiot]

@@allenliu4956 Correct.

[@owencyrulik146]

Or super Mario 64 with a gun

[@CaelansStuff]

@@TheAustronaut03 yeah like nobody ever talks about that game! It's one of the best mario games of all time! What's wrong with people?

[@cameronmarnoch5236]

I think Super Mario Wonder, being a 2D platformer without 'New' in the title for a home console, might just be the least ambiguous mainline game since Super Mario World

[@benjaminmiddaugh2729]

My favorite thing about videos like this is that they are perfect illustrations of the philosophical underpinnings of categorization. To categorize something one must first define the category, which involves developing a philosophical position. Well done in this case, by the way.

[@philiphockenbury6563]

This is like the question of what is and is not anime. But somehow both simpler and also more complex.

[@captainch6182]

Ah yes one of the main questions of metaphysics

[@benjaminmiddaugh2729]

@@captainch6182 That's going farther than I would (I don't think anyone would seriously contend that the nature of a Super Mario game is a fundamental question of philosophy), but anyone who takes the question seriously and attempts to answer it does indeed do philosophy (in this case, taxonomy).

[@captainch6182]

@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 Oh yeah I was just referring to the fact that one of the main things involved in metaphysics is the question of things being things themselves and how we should treat them separately (through ontology). Although it is indeed hilarious to imagine old bearded men arguing over a jumping Italian plumber who eats mushrooms to gain superpowers. Who knows, maybe there is an ideal Super Mario game somewhere in the platonic realm!

[@benjaminmiddaugh2729]

@@captainch6182 Gotcha.

[@d.lawrencemiller5755]

When I answered your survey, I just marked the names of games that I'd actually heard of or played. If lots of other people respond the same way, then some of the low score titles might just be low because not that many people have played them.

[@colinfreyvogel3014]

Why did you do that?

[@samuelalphabet5360]

@@colinfreyvogel3014 kinda hard to have an opinion on something you've never heard of

[@fernandobanda5734]

@@samuelalphabet5360 But not checking doesn't mean "I don't have an opinion". It meant "This is NOT a Super Mario game in my opinion".

[@righteousforest5538]

@@fernandobanda5734 Right, which is why this is more of a problem with the survey method than the respondents. There should've been a clear way to indicate that you don't know what a particular game is without saying it doesn't count.

[@wesamc9333]

Hot take: each Mario Maker level is a distinct game in the series.

[@AmberCresent]

ah yes. I particularly love World 1237612541726 1268763728637. like the randomly placed enemies everywhere! great level design on the creators

[@The_Holy_Wooomy]

No. No god please no

[@HumbleBovine]

This is the wokest take I've heard

[@GiovanniDimike]

Best take I’ve ever seen

[@EukaryoticCS]

There are a Marioplex amount of potential Super Mario games

[@fernandosacchetto5215]

Okay, this was an extremely fascinating video, not just about the Mario franchise but actually a really good example of the problems you face when you try and categorize elements from a highly numerous and diverse set as belonging or not to a given category. Beginning with the question of "why", what's the purpose of this classification? Which should inform a lot of it.

[@puzzLEGO]

Personally I believe the McDonald’s happy meal super Mario bros watch is canon

[@SCREEM_IS_LIFE]

finally something I can agree with

[@mathiew_]

Personally, I believe the crappy Mario maze toys McDonalds released very recently are also canon.

[@impendio]

And the japanese anime movie’s ramen.

[@elizabethb4168]

The best take

[@coolj4334]

Mario's egg catch???

[@neutralnarwhal8184]

This reminds me of those videos where people use cameos and crossovers to tie tv shows together into an abomination of a "cinematic universe"

[@gyroninja2633]

Mario and Ryu are both in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, and Marvel vs Capcom exists, so I think that officially makes Mario a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[@neutralnarwhal8184]

@@gyroninja2633 And the Marvel comic books have seen some crossover with the Transformers who have, in turn, been spotted with the Ghostbusters meaning Luigi should probably prepare for a court case about patents.

[@realo3503]

Game theory had a video that tied many game and other universes together and Mario was apart of it so I guess you can add marvel to that

[@torgranael]

It annoys me that we can't have cameos anymore, because so many people are obsessed with shared universes. On a similar note, it also bothers me that people expect every show to have one continuous canon. Take The Simpsons for example. It's been running for nearly 35 years, on weekly episodes that (with a few exceptions) don't interact with each other. Yet people are still annoyed when it "breaks canon". Two things we need resurrected: cameos that don't mean anything beyond a quick gag, and canon-less tv shows.

[@rcmero]

@@neutralnarwhal8184 And Marvel characters appeared in Fortnite, so that means that _every_ franchise featured in Fortnite can be linked back to the Mario series by this extension.

[@loukas6373]

"Yeah I know what the Super Mario series is." *Watches video * "Okay I don't know what the Super Mario series is."

[@catswellthecat7855]

Accurate

[@EmeraldLavigne]

WELCOME TO PHILOSOPHY! The field which directly results in you knowing less than you did before you studied it.

[@ninonook677]

@@EmeraldLavigne more accuratly is the dunning krugar effect

[@HamsterBaddy]

I would like to add that I think you can absolutely subdivide the "Super Mario Series" further into multiple sub series e.g. "New Super Mario Bros.", "Galaxy" and even group those together again into e.g. "3D Marios" and so on and so forth. - I'd say it would even be legit to say that one game is part of multiple subgroups, while others in those aren't in the respective other series, etc.

[@russelljohnson7004]

literally as I'm thinking to myself "wow, this is really turning into a mario version of the zelda unraveled" you come through with the BDG remix. legendary.

[@Febo2310]

I miss Unraveled

[@russelljohnson7004]

@@pozatat it was turning into it, but never quite got there. frankly, REAL gamers know that Mario Monopoly is a Super Mario game.

[@CoralCopperHead]

I will never get tired of people calling it "New Soup."

[@BH-98]

When you’re having new soup U, “oh come on I had this soup yesterday” “no that soup had wii in it”

[@DoritoTime]

"Welcome back to SOUP! SUPER MARIO MAKER, welcome back to SOUP!"

[@spellxthief]

same! plus i love the air twirl mechanic

[@CLOYO]

Watch Dunkey, his favourite game is still SOUP-

[@thecountercounter9127]

@@CLOYO I think you mean SOUP 2

[@randomnpc445]

This video reminds me a lot of Vsauce's "Do Chairs Exist?" video, where watching it leads you down an increasingly deeper and crazier rabbit hole of potential points to consider when trying to answer the original question, ultimately becoming far too expansive to truly take it all into account when making your decision. Except this one provided me with a bunch of obscure knowledge that I can use to impress random strangers on the internet, rather than concepts too vague and complicated for the average person to really grasp so I think overall I enjoyed this one a bit more.

[@Kenfren]

vsauce's video could also be responded to by hitting him over the head with the chair, while this video can't. so take your poison

[@DanJuega]

lmao we got a smartie over here.

[@jasonkelley781]

I loved that video so much! My buddy still talks about "in-cars"

[@breazy832]

I hate this comment

[@little_wintry3098]

Thank you for the bit at 8:15... i am, in fact, one of the six people who wasn't aware of that fact but still invested enough in the video to keep watching.

[@CocoTheMii]

"New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, a title which consists of three adjectives, a letter that refers to a console the game is not for, the instantly recognizable name of an internationally famous video game character, and the word Bros." Ah, Nintendo... famously known for their standardized and reasonable naming conventions.

[@jamesjohnXII]

they're almost as good as sony

[@egon3705]

don't forget super mario advance 4: super mario bros 3

[@shoenessperson]

Misali told the spinoffs "you're a Mario game alright, just not a super one"

[@hecko-yes]

(the short name is actually `misali`, like how you wouldn't call hatsune miku just `hatsune`)

[@shoenessperson]

@@hecko-yes Right, as is proper. I guess I kinda just forgot.

[@alfiealfie35]

@@hecko-yes was it changed from 'jan' ? because that means person lol

[@hecko-yes]

@@alfiealfie35 yeah funny thing is, the owner of ma pona (a toki pona discord server) does go by just `jan`, hella powerful

[@alfiealfie35]

@@hecko-yes hello i am yes person

[@JakeRanney]

10:02 "They're the ones who lost these levels in the first place, after all" had me ROLLING

[@RGC_animation]

XDD

[@BitchChill]

Way off

[@joremOP]

finally, the first unambiguous super mario game since 1990 has been revealed Super Mario Bros Wonder is basically like Super Mario World in its title and is a platformer featuring Mario, and on a home console therefore I'm confident to say it is truly a Super Mario game

[@davinchristino]

Is the switch a home console though?

[@Skivv5]

@@davinchristino yes. it is. it can be played at home, on a tv screen. its a handholdable home console.

[@blokos_]

​@@Skivv5i think thats called a hybrid

[@laytonjr6601]

@@Skivv5 You can play Gameboy games on a SNES

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

​@@laytonjr6601 Not out of the box

[@steviejohn]

10:45 "Theres a few-ReAsOnS-why these games are somewhat ambiguous" That editing in of,"reasons" threw me off a tad

[@NotTerravin]

What started as what felt like a simple discussion of a survey so quickly spiraled into a mess of Mario history and specifics that I literally could not stop watching and trying to anticipate what snag would jump in next. Good stuff, definitely subscribing.

[@ShakeyBox]

When talking about Super Mario games, I believe that non-existent games can indeed be Super Mario games, but due to not existing have a count value of 0, so do not increase the number of games in the Super Mario series. If someone says that they're working on a new Super Mario game, I wouldn't tell them that it actually isn't a Super Mario game because it hasn't be finished yet.

[@chloeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

i laughed so hard reading this this is pure genius

[@sonetagu1337]

Ah, True Release=FLOOR([Finishing Time+Delay)-Development Time]

[@o.rbi.t]

if game == false && marioGame( game =! marioGame);

[@official-obama]

the question is how many super mario games are there, not how many super mario games aren't there

[@Parzivle]

I don’t remember if it was this video or one of your conlang videos about the history of w but I’m so glad you take time out of your life to share your interesting observations even if they might not topics a lot of people would necessarily be aware of their interest in.

[@lynxfangr]

I've scrolled past this video COUNTLESS times because I was never quite in the mood for it. So glad I gave it a chance tonight! Very well put together

[@MishaGold]

GOSH ME TOO It has appeared so many times in my recommended feed and I watched it just now!

[@marsybarz]

same 💀

[@larrygriffin4343]

bruh actually exactly same

[@Lanai50]

Same 😂

[@thedreadpirateblacktooth5551]

Ditto

[@wangjiefan8939]

The more I watch this, the more I think there should have been a "never played this before" option in the survey.

[@antoinegaming936]

Yes The only ones i played legally are SUP mario 1 lost levels usa 3 U deluxe maker 2 3d world + angwy bowser

[@GeorgeDCowley]

@@antoinegaming936 How many did you in general?

[@AntiVectorTV]

Petition for Nintendo of Japan to recognize the irrefutable canonicity of Speedster Comets.

[@steegen101]

I'm so proud of whoever wrote that in. Best comment in the video

[@mattbabineau197]

Coming back to this after the announcement of Super Mario Bros. Wonder… I think there’s a decent chance the next game WILL end up being the first unambiguous game in the series since 1990.

[@saulitix]

I like to think that scientists had the same issue when trying to catalog all mammals and found the platypus as we do when we try to decide which Mario games are from the main Super Mario Bros series.

[@gckbowers411]

The platypus is basically "the lost levels". Or that licensed PC sequel to Super Mario Bros.

[@Cute___E]

@@gckbowers411 This is one of my favorite sentences ever

[@greenamogus]

perry the platypus

[@mr.faboose6145]

One day Nintendo will release a game called "Super Mario 7" and we will all scramble to figure out which games they consider to be 1-6

[@DarcOfTheShadows]

"I'm at E3 and Nintendo just announced their new mainline Mario game, 'Super Mario...18-ish?'"

[@faf8709]

GRAND DAD?!

[@SemiHypercube]

@@faf8709 FLEENTSTONES?

[@BagOfMagicFood]

If Yoshi's Story was considered the sequel to Yoshi's Island, and if Yoshi's Island was considered the sequel to Super Mario World, which was also Super Mario Brothers 4, then Yoshi's Story might be Super Mario Brothers 6.

[@rocketgeek96]

@@BagOfMagicFood Technically, Yoshi's Story is its own series, and Yoshi's Island DS is the Yoshi's Island sequel, thereby making Yoshi's New island SMB #7. At least, that's what the wiki told me.

[@MangoMotors]

New super Luigi U counts as a Mario game because lest we forget that Luigi's full name is Luigi Mario. So there is a "Mario" in Super Luigi U, there's just no "Mario Mario"(Mario's full legal name). It isn't like Mario Land 3 where Mario isn't a playable character.

[@thomilo44]

I hate that you're right.

[@tekayo63]

Um, ACKSHUALLY, Mario and Luigi have been confirmed to not have surnames, and only the Super Mario Bros (1993 movie) versions of the characters' surnames are "Mario"

[@Salsmachev]

Yeah I think the fact that Mario and Luigi are reliably referred to as the Mario Bros suggests that every Luigi game is a Super Mario game as long as it meets the other criteria.

[@Squaretable22]

Reminder that in Japan Family Names come first. So in Japanese Luigi would be Mario Luigi

[@tekayo63]

@@Squaretable22 But the Mario Bros. aren't Japanese; they're Italian

[@HBMmaster]

psst, do you want to help with the sequel to this video? I made a new much bigger version of the survey! forms.gle/EVWf8pDAYxYcEa2e9

[@ThienNguyen-in6gx]

Just finished it.

[@ThatoneLutonfan]

Sure :)

[@Rad_Nicole]

Glad I desided to rewatch this video.

[@terrypostle]

I call my 2-year procrastination in watching this video a success.

[@EthanTheWerewolf]

Just finished it!

[@Zichoria]

3:29 As a Master's graduate with a Statistics degree as well as a math teacher who has taught Statistics, I appreciate that you used "statistically significant" correctly, with a reject alpha of 5%.

[@Zichoria]

And again at 4:14 👏👏👏👏👏

[@shay4261]

you what

[@Thatbluescrub]

nerd

[@user-pp6pr5fg8w]

As a law student that had to attend some statistics lessons, same

[@dopesickdog]

@@Thatbluescrub maybe nerd, but it proves this youtuber's impressive data-handling skills

[@loganmiller7827]

The 1.1% of people that don't believe the original game is part of the super Mario series: "my goals are beyond your understanding"

[@CAEC64]

they're just trolling around

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

@@CAEC64 They did a little trolling...

[@ghirahimlefabuleux8984]

@FuckOuttaHere SMB is arguably the third mainline Mario game and is a different series from Donkey Kong and Mario bros proper. You can understand that mindset if you consider the super mario series as a spin off of the original Donkey Kong but that's extremely stupid.

[@MarioMario_1981]

Likely trolls

[@ScourgeBliss]

I clicked on this video thinking it would just be a list of Super Mario games that count as canon due to some story elements or something. This went so deep in the Rabbit hole of Mario games It was like watching a video of why the fruit orange is named orange.

[@sheep4483]

this reminded me of a similar video about why eggplants are called eggplants (as well as like 30 other names) by adam ragusea

[@PeacefulAmphibian]

The fruit orange was named after the colour( this is easy to understand since it is a tropical fruit and there is no way old english speakers named a colour after their word for a fruit they never even saw) and eggplant was named that way because its shape resembles an egg.

[@thisisasupersayin376]

​@@PeacefulAmphibian you say that like the word Orange has to have its roots in english when it really doesn't

[@a.d.t.mapping]

both the fruit orange and the color orange derive from the word for orange tree

[@marinerb]

It's fascinating to see what multiple people think the origin of "orange" is and all be wrong. Originally "naranga" in Sanskrit, it was adopted into European languages alongside the fruit. There it changed into "narancia" in Italian and "narange" in French, with both languages dropping the "n" later, likely for similar reasons to why "an orange" could sound functionally identical to "a norange" in English. Then, upon being introduced to English, "orange" was used exclusively to refer to the fruit, with "orange color" being used to refer to the color until "orange" slowly transitioned into being both a fruit and a color sometime around the 17th century.

[@TheArmyofWin]

I would say that when it was made Yoshi’s Island was considered a part of the Super Mario platformer series, but as more entries were made in the franchise the definition of what made a Super Mario game a Super Mario game changed and tightened, as well as the formation of a separate Yoshi series, excludes Yoshi’s Island from being a Super Mario game. The same can be said for Wario Land.