Cabin in The Wilderness: The Strange Disappearance of Two Canadians

[@MissingVoidTV]

Hey all, what are your thoughts in regards to this disappearance? Any obvious explanations as to what happened? The camera is also slightly out of focus this video and despite it being on auto facial recognition it seems to have been focused on the microphone 🤦‍♂️

[@kristingianotti5551]

Hey you are awesome! I just emailed David Palides about you and your channel, this is a case he definitely would be interested in, love your videos, I am a huge fan!

[@sk8ercaligirl]

It seems like murder to me. But why the cover up? 😳

[@fosterdan4497]

Have you ever stopped to think they might have been firing at each other not really wanting to hit the other and they left the cabin one started running one way one started running the other way and they both ended up dead? Then again this would have been an easy way for the police to close their case

[@MissingVoidTV]

@@fosterdan4497 Yeah they could've been, but it only explains so much. I have no idea

[@struckfire3337]

I really wonder why he had burns on his hands and arms? And how severe were the burns. What type of burns were they? Where they radioactive Berns?

[@stews9]

Firing in all directions inside a small cabin sure hints at panic. If it were an animal, where is the blood? A smaller animal wouldn't cause that kind of reaction in experienced outdoorsmen. Firing all over the place, even into the floor, contradicts leaving the guns inside and locking the cabin upon leaving. Were they perhaps ambushed and taken? By whom and for what reason? No report of other tracks hint at this but the way they left things might indicate they were under duress. Baffling case. The burns remain unexplained, too, given no indication of a campfire were found, or mentioned at least. The 13 year lag in details, and the RCMP's strange lack of forthcoming, seems to hint that something is being veiled if not covered up. Mind-boggling contradictions.

[@spmcginnis]

The floor was probably an accidental discharge during reloading.

[@tammywebb7521]

@@spmcginnis that's a lot of discharging your weapon.

[@suscon1140]

The "shooting all over the cabin from inside" reminds me of the "Kentucky Goblins" case from the 1950's....that one is still listed as unknown by Project Blue Book.

[@icantthinkofaname15]

If they were taken why would they or whatever it was take the time to lock the cabin? Makes no sense.

[@illbeyourstumbleine]

@@vondahartsock-oneil3343 I thought maybe the burns were from swinging around a log that was on fire. Like they made a campfire and whatever it was came back. He had to grab a log since both hands were burned and use it as a weapon. This could also possibly be point of separation if his friend ran, again all speculation, which is all we can do and sadly probably will ever be able to do.

[@HeidiSue60]

The strangest thing is calling off the search so fast.

[@MissingVoidTV]

Agreed

[@drudawg4208]

If you know the past of that area you would call it off too.

[@annas-g166]

@@drudawg4208 What is the past of that area? This is so confusing 😳

[@lipshamorrissey4636]

May I just? Let's say you're the sheriff of a tiny town. Two local girls, ages 13 and 14, best friends, have gone missing near a local landmark in a wooded trail area. Their folks first miss them around 3. A massive search begins around 5, as word spreads that the girls, well known in the community, have disappeared. The grandfather of one of the girls is lifelong friends with the local fire chief and valuable resources are made available quickly. It's February in Indiana so it's getting dark around 6. Lighting is brought in. Drones are flown. The temperatures begin to drop. The girls, unprepared for the weather bc at 1 PM that day it had been sunny and warm, are still out there, hungry, cold, possibly injured, bc they're both healthy and very athletic, something is really wrong if they're not showing up. The landmark in question is an old railroad bridge, the 3rd highest in Indiana. Searchers begin to fear the girls might have fallen into Deer Creek below. Finally, again you, the sheriff, call the search off at Midnight, citing darkness (although the area was lit with stadium lights and searchers all had flashlights), falling temperatures, and dangerous conditions, as the topography features steep hills. If it's dangerous for searchers, who are fed, dressed appropriately and equipped with lights and working phones, how's it cool to leave the girls out there with nothing but sweatshirts? If that makes sense, that's the end of a tragic story. Abby and Libby were found brutally murdered the next day, in an area that had been searched. But wait, there's more. Libby captured audio and video of the suspected killer, crossing the railroad bridge, called the Monon High Bridge. People all over the world are trying to help solve this case. There's a huge reward, the owner of the local football team, The Indianapolis Colts, has even donated to the reward fund. There are so many podcasts, articles, groups and websites that I can only say Google the Delphi Murders. Justice for Abby and Libby! Today is the Day. 💔

[@journeysalkebulan]

@@lipshamorrissey4636 we don't need to Google it. We know about it but what is your point as it relates to this video?

[@RamblinJer]

I'd be interested in both the autopsy and toxicology reports, what they were wearing, temps and weather conditions, was there signs of forced entry at cabin, were guns properly placed away or just thrown about. Was any prints found around cabin, was there any blood found, and what was the water depth and current speed in river. Definitely an interesting and bizarre incident, especially the burns, but with so many loose ends and lack of information it's difficult to even speculate.

[@tomhirons7475]

none of that eh lol

[@thewanderingartists]

Ghb

[@Astrocam88]

Right, I would almost think that they had perhaps eaten something that had a negative side effect and they began to act bizarrely. But it never states anything about that possibility.

[@primesspct2]

Yes I agree… most of this is hearsay. But the burns are weird? Just not enough information. And so much of it conflicting .

[@RabidNemo]

All interesting points but hard to say and we'll probably never know. As far as the burns I've seen similar things before where people have gotten hypothermia and built a fire that's small but big enough to produce some heat and they burn themselves by getting too close trying to warm up because their arms and legs are numb

[@glendanison3064]

I'm going to get bizarre, I love that catchphrase. The Nahanni Valley is straight out of the Twilight Zone. People have met strange and gruesome deaths for many years in that valley. Cabins have been burned down, decapitated bodies found but not the heads. And what really freaks me out, rifles belonging to dead and missing hunters have been found with bent barrels.

[@jerrybartlett7479]

That’s fucking crazy. I love Canada, but this freaks me out.

[@karenleo2142]

Wow! Would love to hear more of what you know! I'm Australian and I'm captivated by all of the stories ive heard about the outback of Canada and America. I believe in Bigfoot and Dogman.

[@glendanison3064]

@@karenleo2142 I actually don't know that much about the Nahanni or "Valley of the Headless Men" having only recently heard of it. First time was an episode of Bedtime Stories. If you're unfamiliar with it, it's a high quality YT channel. There are some articles you can Google. For some weird stuff on this continent, there's the Canam Missing Project on YT. This deals with the large number of strange disappearances in US and Canada national parks. And it has covered some in Australia as well, in fact the most recent upload.

[@glendanison3064]

@@karenleo2142 I forgot to mention the stories of the Skinwalker Ranch. Those will really blow your mind.

[@petralehto3825]

Ok.. so probably best not to go camping there... 😬

[@betsyscales1066]

The shooting in the cabin reminds me of the strange events that happened to Adrienne Quintal in northern Michigan, U.S.A. in Oct. 2019. I think it was in Benzie County. She was alone in an isolated cabin. She called a friend in the wee hours and told her friend 2 men were outside her cabin and she was shooting at them from inside her cabin, while the men were shooting back at her. When police arrived there was no signs of blood and I believe no sign of any return gunshots from the men she said were there, just signs of her gun shots were located. Her shoes and cell phone were found on the roof of the cabin. Adrienne was later found nearby deceased, in 3 ft of water; no foul play.

[@zatchbell5678]

What the hellllllll

[@ciaranofarrell4010]

WTF 😳? That's bizzare.

[@patriciajrs46]

What in the world would be the reason for her shoes being on the roof?! No sign of return gunshots? They policed their brass, or they might have been aliens, portal walkers. They make a portal appear and walk through and are gone. Strange question though: what's with all the shoes left behind? Perhaps aliens don't wear shoes and they leave them because they will be in the way.

[@riptoff433]

@@patriciajrs46 Aliens don't like the smell of stinky shoes, so they don't allow them on their saucers.

[@debralucas2224]

How bizarre! Poor darling I hope she is resting in peace 🌹

[@sillylilly4794]

They shoot up a cabin apparently because they were afraid of something outside of the cabin. Then they leave the cabin, leaving their guns, and lock the cabin up. One found with burns to hands and arms, and one found drowned miles away. Not enough information and not enough investigation. I feel bad for the families. They will never know what happened.

[@fourfurrypotatoes]

Very true. I think they just wanted the case closed.

[@michaeldiekmann6494]

Maybe they ate the wrong berries or mushrooms and went apeshit?

[@McSnezzly]

@@michaeldiekmann6494 it’s rare that both would have an extreme reaction like that tho, with the same hallucinations and delusions. Plus, it would’ve been mentioned if a toxicology report was done.

[@charliedallachie3539]

I wonder why they went different ways?

[@jesssheldon4869]

Bigfoot

[@pletch73]

Let's get bizarre! I'm gonna buy a shirt with that on it. Love this channel!

[@rhondajohnson8310]

I love when he says that too!

[@magnuszetterqvist5936]

I’m buying!👍😘🇸🇪

[@MissingVoidTV]

Haha, I will make a shirt like that soon

[@pletch73]

Awesome! Save one for me... perhaps autographed 😁

[@rhondajohnson8310]

@@MissingVoidTV yeah!!

[@adoxartist1258]

I want to know what the cabin owner has to say about the state of his cabin and what he knows about the environment and wildlife of the area. Also, if such a thing exists, I would love to see the insurance claim for the cabin. And a complete audit of the local law enforcement practices would be a good idea.

[@briancrouse9996]

I couldn't agree more, something was outside that cabin that made them fear for their lives enough to fire at. But If something was after them or scaring them wouldn't they have taken a weapon when they left for the element. And I'd like to know what else in the realm of the strange has happened in and around that area

[@victoriabenton8378]

@@briancrouse9996 I,d like to know too

[@briancrouse9996]

@@victoriabenton8378 these missing persons cases needs solving,I'd love to be able to help the family and also I'm getting on my local SAR team. It's also good to see people online getting involved.

[@hughjunit2503]

@@briancrouse9996 me too.....it makes me think of any of my loved ones going missing......how could you ever call off a search???? I would die in the woods looking for my kids or any family til I had all the answers. It seems law enforcement knows something but is hiding it

[@briancrouse9996]

@@hughjunit2503 I agree. Yes I believe something very crazy maybe even something that seems out of the ordinary and maybe even supernatural. So many wendigo sightings, skinwalkers, Dogman, bigfoot, and UFO. Anything could have happened and how could you stop looking. Maybe they were SCARED SO BAD BY SOMETHING THEY WOULDN'T GO BACK SO MADE IT LOOK NORMAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thedoruk6324]

Canada has some bizarre and intense unexplainable phenomenon going on!

[@MissingVoidTV]

Apparently!

[@kalalatauapai3500]

So does Russia.

[@chrislawuk]

@@kalalatauapai3500 do tell

[@kalalatauapai3500]

@@chrislawuk if you haven't heard you should look up the Dyatlov pass

[@unknowngoddess6969]

It really seems to happen routinely in Canada. Even if someone is found the questions surrounding the disappearance and distance are never answered. Great video of an old unresolved mystery Adam!

[@meredithgrubb7027]

The burns on the arms and the gunfire r prefty baffling.

[@micheljavert5923]

It seems strange that the only individual to report the use of firearms in the cabin was the brother. And 13 years after the fact at that. I would think that the owner would have mentioned gun damage to his property. But let’s pretend we can square that. “Arms had been fired all over the place,” which implies the presence of multiple shell casings. But the brother only mentions a hole (singular) in the floor. Where did the rounds go? They couldn’t have hit anything living, since there was no blood found in the scene. Yeah it’s weird as sh!t, but I think there’s some extra pieces missing here. It does remind me of another story of strange goings on involving two men in a remote Canadian cabin. Except as the story goes, the RCMP found the rifles bent and destroyed.

[@kevinc8947]

Bent barrels are a clear sign of squatches as they don't like hunters or guns

[@mattmarino7092]

what is this story about bent rifle barrels? lots of searching and cannot find it

[@lizc6393]

@@mattmarino7092 same. Quite frustrating.

[@MoGas71]

When someone grabs the muzzle of a shotgun it will burn the hands. Maybe the man grabbed the muzzle of someone's gun to point it away and was able to get away. Then his friend may have been forced to drown to make it look like something other than foul play. Just a thought.

[@staceykersting705]

Why not just shoot oneself, rather than trying to drown, if the goal is suicide? It's pretty hard to drown yourself. I'm assuming he wasn't found with a concrete bock tied to his ankle.

[@tithonusandfriends8519]

@@staceykersting705 300,000+ people die of drowning every single year, often trying their hardest NOT to drown, wtf are you talking about

[@staceykersting705]

@@tithonusandfriends8519 Ppl don't usually just walk in and think, 'OK, let me drown myself". They plan to wade or swim and something goes terribly wrong. THAT'S how ppl drown! Anyone I've ever heard of trying to drown jumps off a high bridge or off a boat in treacherous water. They don't just decide to drown in shallow water n hold their face under.

[@jordanalandry1866]

@@tithonusandfriends8519 as a physician, I can tell u, drowning as a method of suicide is EXTREMELY rare, Bc can be EXTREMELY painful/lengthy/traumatic and the body’s natural urge to self preserve kicks in in such situations making all the above even more so. The idea that someone would shoot someone else accidentally then commit suicide by drowning just to cover their own ass, is absolutely ludicrous and the most far reaching reach ever. 🤣🤦🏽‍♀️ Occam's razor ppl. Supernatural happenings would actually be MORE likely, which is what I personally believe is the case. Has all the earmarks and area history of djinn and interdimensional activity

[@yashathebelgianmalinois348]

@@jordanalandry1866 lol, you sounded so grounded in logic in the beginning then decided to go with inter-dimensional influences is more plausible. Occam’s razor, I don’t think it means what you think it means. Personally, I think there was horseplay involved but by human means.

[@mr.onethirtyeight5088]

Isn't this area within the "Headless Valley"? If so weird sh*t happens there going wayyyyyy back in time.

[@weekendmom]

My thoughts exactly.

[@starshine1843]

@@weekendmom What's the headless valley and what kind of shit goes on?

[@starshine1843]

What goes on there? Why's it called headless?

[@weekendmom]

@@starshine1843 People who went missing, usually gold prospectors, would be found but their heads would be missing from their bodies.

[@weekendmom]

@@starshine1843 You might want to check out Hammerson Peters' channel. He has videos about the Nahanni Valley.

[@patricialessard8651]

Have you ever read "The Legends of the Nahanni Valley" by Hammerson Peters ? If you have you would definitely think something strange was up in what happened. First I've heard of this. Thank you and stay safe!

[@bottom_lizard192]

I’m sooo bricked up right now baby

[@katzenauge2698]

Nahani valley is a dangerous place. There are many stories about strange things there. No place I would go to.

[@comradeharley]

What other sort of things have been reported?

[@icantthinkofaname15]

Why is it dangerous?

[@jbrobertson6052]

The nahanni Valley it's called The Headless Valley almost everyone that went there was found dead and missing their head plus there's a missing tribe of natives. It is quite a bizarre place and so-called paranormal activities in the valley

[@karenleo2142]

@@jbrobertson6052 what's the go with missing heads?

[@jbrobertson6052]

@@karenleo2142 there are a lot of stories about the nahanni valley but in the last couple hundred years Prospectors and explorers have been found dead but missing their heads. One assumption is that there was a crazy Mountain Man/prospector that would chill any other prospects are in the area cut their heads off and then take the gold out of their teeth. And the other stories about the vanished tribe up there who doesn't want anyone on their lands and they were killing him and cutting off their heads. There are a lot of stories coming out of there about the Paranormal it's an interesting place and I myself wouldn't mind going there but I would go well armed and with some well-armed friends. Google the nahanni valley and check out some of the stories it's quite interesting

[@drudawg4208]

That area is known for people being found dead missing their heads back in the day during the gold rush. I have no clue why anyone would go out there.

[@icantthinkofaname15]

Whoa really?! Maybe some creature is out there. Like bigfoot.

[@miaj5118]

@@icantthinkofaname15 I dont think its bigfoot, going on all the other experiences people have had with them. Sounds like these other dimension beings that have been sighted by many- coming through portals.

[@jackstraw4222]

idk if its bigfoot ,but its seems like something else,iv read that there are things that even bigfoot stays away from...

[@icantthinkofaname15]

@@miaj5118 are you talking about the translucent thing people have seen in the woods? It cloaks like predator from the movie.

[@icantthinkofaname15]

@@jackstraw4222 what have you read? You got me super curious!!

[@renepassa1969]

I love the way you speak. Not just your accent, which sounds like silk, but the words you choose. So very eloquent. It is indeed a true pleasure listening to you. Many thanks. 😁👍

[@billybob6397]

One of you tubes best channels!!

[@magnuszetterqvist5936]

Agree 👍😘🇸🇪

[@MissingVoidTV]

Oh wow that's some pretty big praise, thanks so much Billy

[@billybob6397]

@@MissingVoidTV the man himself... Oh mate seriously I watch you like others watch game of thrones! Thanks for the reply bro 😊

[@Aquanios08]

I am always sooo compelled to click the SECOND I see Adam post a new vid.

[@magnuszetterqvist5936]

Like, watch, listen…learn 👍😘🇸🇪

[@MissingVoidTV]

Appreciate you Aqua! and most welcome 👍

[@aman.dajo1111]

Seems to me the authorities in charge of the initial search had a good idea of what happened to these men hence the short five day search. I’m positive their are people in high positions who know EXACTLY what’s going on in regard to these national parks/forrest mysterious disappearances

[@creampuff9934]

It's gotta be something so fucked up that they don't wanna tell the public...

[@starshine1843]

Could it be aliens trying to abduct them or a supernatural entity?

[@aman.dajo1111]

@@creampuff9934 believe it

[@icantthinkofaname15]

I agree

[@creampuff9934]

@@starshine1843 i believe it's some sort of messed up animal that they don't want to alarm us about. Something that kills human beings.

[@victoriabullock1444]

Thank you so much for covering this case. Sending love from the Rocky Mountains!! ❤️🇨🇦

[@lizc6393]

God bless the Canadian Rockies. Most beautiful place on planet earth. ♥️

[@ValerieIsGoingPlaces]

I really appreciate the fact that you don't beg people to "like" the video/s. It's really mature & confident that you're open to people disliking it. So far I've like every one since I found you. I like your narrations so much I subscribed. Keep up the great work, take care!

[@creenation6609]

No.. Your not out of your mind, Adam. Always a pleasure getting updated & informed on the Strange & Bizarre things out there. Take care & Thanks. 🦅

[@russellcampbell3500]

Holy cow this creeps me out this is literally hours away from us. I know it's crazy but u wouldn't believe how thick these woods are up here and the bugs alone will carry you away they are that big and plentiful. And animals have no fear of humans at all because they just don't see us. People have no idea how dangerous it is in these woods and flatlands and swamps.

[@realbrat40]

😳😅The bugs...... Nope won't be going up there anytime soon.

[@deebop4904]

All animals fear guns, and bears dont go from under a cabin, to the roof, then apparently dismantle the stove pipe. I also doubt most bears wouls hang around After being shot it. AND a big bear isnt hard to,hit, there would be blood, prints, claw marks, and bears would have eaten them. Highly improbable it was a bear.

[@trippletalk8226]

I'm curious to know if alcohol may have played a factor. Could one of the men got drunk and then started recklessly firing their gun around the cabin? The other man not wanting to stick around left the cabin and then got lost perished due to the elements. The other man being drunk possibly wandering off to look for the other man and in a drunken state ended up drowning in the river looking for the man. People do very stupid things when they have been drinking and their sense of direction and time can easily be skewed. It would explain the reason why the cabin was locked behind them and why both men were found seperated in the woods. Both men left their fire arms behind and to me that sounds like what a person who is drunk would do. Perhaps a drunken dispute that got out of hand? If alcohol wasn't involved I could still see it play out sober but less likely they would leave their guns behind. Very strange incident all around I hope the families were able to find some sort of peace.

[@CastleMc]

An argument between the 2 makes the most sense. Maybe they got into a fight, and one pushed the other into the wood stove.

[@jordanalandry1866]

That makes the least sense, u start a fight and involve firearms, u aint gonna end up with a cabin full of bullet holes and two people far apart and removed from the scene deceased of alternate means, you're gonna end up with two bodies full of bullet holes in a cabin. They were shooting at something they had no ability to hit, or something that "wasnt there" aka impermeable to the bullets, most likely, jinn.

[@jessegreywolf]

What a disgusting implication. I’m sure very similar to the one that the RCMP used to neglect this case

[@bruxa9944]

You are genuinely one of the best mystery channels on youtube. Thank you for putting in so much work to make such good videos

[@MrReganomics1]

This is the first time I have been able to catch a video from you that was freshly uploaded. I feel like a VIP lol... Great story as always. And now I gotta look this up

[@MissingVoidTV]

Hey Reality, let me know if you find any extra articles. I was only able to find the four listed in the google docs document in the description

[@CARDINAL701]

In this country, USA, there have been many, many strange disappearances in the wilderness, and just as strange is the way the forest service and law enforcement react to it.

[@atmywhitson]

I agree. David Paulides mentioned 2 people from the FBI driving around acting strange at a disappearance/ search party. I wonder what they're hiding? It could be demonic beings such as aliens, wendigo,etc maybe something that can travel through dimensions. I don't think we'll ever fully understand it but it's fun to think about all of the strange cases and wonder wtf happened! Those poor families! :( ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯

[@jerrybartlett7479]

The American government knows the truth. And probably the Canadian government too

[@kitfisto1827]

It's because law enforcement understands that these cases arent mysterious and can almost always be chalked up to suicide, accidental death, medical emergencies, or exposure. As much as David Paulides profits from these stories, he never considers or talks about the most likely explanations of what happened.

[@javii5326]

This happens all over the world

[@dnr2089]

@@atmywhitson Or it could be something more down to earth….like bad people!

[@linag7308]

I know it's been awhile but I like that you show yourself on these videos.

[@tariparsons3461]

I can't help thinking about all the Wendigo stories I've listened to after watching this. Very strange indeed

[@UAPReportingCenter]

Can't believe I've never heard of this. Great video. Baffling

[@danielwilson9600]

Sounds like a Missing 411 case. The areas are previously searched, then the bodies appear with no real cause of death in those searched areas days later. Unknown abduction. Very common in many Missing 411 cases.

[@melissag8270]

Yea the bodies in the missing 411 stories frequently are found after many searches, it’s so chilling!

[@michellelammi787]

The missing 411 are a load of crap. The guy who writes the books is a nutcase. He leaves out alot of the info. Many of his cases are actually solved. He got kicked out of the police force. He is just a con man.

[@Jaker2123]

I have the missing 411 Canada book and this isn’t in it … I’m surprised …

[@Jaker2123]

@@michellelammi787 he’s retired he wasn’t kicked out! I’ve been following David Paulides for years … the man is good at what he does …

[@iancampbell582]

Michelle please provide proof of your last statement.

[@paulbeadle1714]

I am a new subscriber of this channel and it's absolutely brilliant really pleased it popped up on my KZbin and its been lovely weather here in England the past few days 😀 😊 😄 ☺

[@ritasturgill3321]

Love your stories and your voice

[@girliewow]

His eyes too

[@marinakaiser7639]

Lol me too😁

[@ritasturgill3321]

Actually he pretty hot he good looking sexy voice and successful from Kentucky that's a perfect man lol

[@marinakaiser7639]

@@ritasturgill3321 Lol he is a nice gay. nothing for me but everybody has a different taste.👍😁❤

[@jerrybartlett7479]

Yep , all about you.

[@Aconitum_napellus]

This channel has got much better since I last watched it.

[@tyronemalone4158]

If 2 people run off into the bush in fear then who locked the cabin?

[@ldawg7117]

As a patron, you're absolutely welcome. And thank YOU! More than worth the $3 a month I'm currently paying(I I fully intend on increasing that monthly payment sometime soon, as well) Especially seeing as when you asked us patrons for any ideas, I mentioned you should check out the Nahanni River/valley area... and sure enough, the next damn episode, you did it! As I mentioned on patreon, it's pretty f-cking badass, seeing your favorite KZbin channel do an episode based off a recommendation YOU yourself made. Heard a handful of other(far less credible) channels do an episode on this particular case before, but have long awaited your take on matter.. it was a well worth it! Keep up the good work!

[@sarahcurnew2691]

Hammerson Peters has a KZbin channel, and a book regarding the Nahani Valley. This area has had many people killed mysteriously.

[@einienj3281]

Is that the "valley of the headless men"?

[@magnuszetterqvist5936]

Wich book? 👍😘🇸🇪

[@heatherlilly2344]

Thank you I did not realize a book is available as well on this subject!

[@istra70]

@@heatherlilly2344 About 10 books by now.....

[@einienj3281]

@John I'm subbed already! It is a good channel, haven't watched all the videos yet, but what I've seen, I like 😊

[@310BPM]

thanks again!!⛰🏕🇨🇦

[@nursejawa7]

I love seeing how you've developed over the years as a presenter and KZbinr. Well done 🙂👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@will3913]

The part about their bodies turning up in previously searched areas is something. It reminds me of Vermont's Bennington Triangle, similar weirdness there. In any case, great video and info, thank you!

[@donnaarmitage9194]

love your channel im so into the 411 cases and confused why no one is wondering why all these people go missing and do mire about it coz there is something dodgy been going on for years now

[@magnuszetterqvist5936]

Agree 👍😘🇸🇪

[@toppradd]

I agree Donna .. these 411 Missing cases are absolutely fascinating.. “Why aren’t more people wondering why all these people go missing many with bizarre details” ? - that is an excellent question indeed. I have even brought this subject up and showed the 411-Hunted movie to close friends of mine.. offered to loan books for them to find out more? .. to date no one has followed up with me about this subject.. hmmm … I think ones like you and I are different- than most .. after I heard my very 1st case 11 yrs ago on Coast-to-Coast nite time radio show …I haven’t Not Thought about it .. and pursed this phenomenon since that nite.. take care of yourself- DB

[@markushornung7835]

This is exactly what I have experienced with friends of mine. Why is nobody Interested? I guess that people's wirst nightmare is to find out that there is something going on that goes beyond what we know or like to know.

[@Bella.216]

David paulides has been covering these for many years and still does. He's wrote several books

[@istra70]

Now you know when they say ( get vaccinated ) we care for your health - that actually they don't give a dam......

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Another great upload Adam, respect.

[@panqueque445]

I feel like there has to be a third party involved in this. Combined with some hard core incompetence on the part of the police. I know it's common for cops to withhold information from the public if they think that would jeopardize an investigation, which tells me they may have had some kind of lead possibly, at some point at least. But yeah it seems they gave up pretty easily on this one.

[@sacredkinetics.lns.8352]

Maybe not incompetence but cover-up. They know that these kind of events happened very often.

[@panqueque445]

@@sacredkinetics.lns.8352 Covering what up? You think a cop did it? That would certainly be an explanation.

[@kitfisto1827]

Because investigators in these search and rescue cases understand how exposure, lack of sleep, food, and water, as well as hypothermia affect people. When all of the evidence points to death due to hypothermia, with no evidence of foul play, there is no reason to continue to waste resources investigating it.

[@sulumsphony66]

Or if they think a fellow officer is a strong suspect (in regards to the withholding of information).

[@Junkie101Jesus]

Preciate the vid Adam. Canada sends it's regards. Keep it up!!

[@bevsartsandcrafts715]

My thoughts on it are...who knew they were at the cabin? I’d check friends, family etc..did any of those have a motive? Great video, you’re a brilliant narrator 👍🏻

[@musiccreator3559]

Good morning Adam! From Ireland. Brilliant research as Always and I love the way you speak about the missing with such empathy and compassion for them as people with lives and loved ones. You are respectful and I too, get angry at injustice, bad reporting, police negligence..🙏❤

[@theldawood80]

Maybe kidnapped and murdered. Sounds fishy to me and the length of the official search makes me wonder if the officials know more and are hiding it.

[@icantthinkofaname15]

They might know what or who did it. Not a person.

[@miaj5118]

Definitely

[@dukescally5586]

This is a awesome story and an awesome channel. You earned my subscription bro🤘

[@jennifermc809]

Leaving the cabin UNARMED is very strange for 2 men like them. I don't think they left willingly. The Nahanni Valley has it's own mysterious past. Look that up, very bizarre! But those victims were missing their heads, so this may or may not be related. Them going unarmed and shooting up the cabin are key to this mystery, in my opinion. They shot their way out of the cabin? Or they were being attacked by something that scared them so badly that they shot from INSIDE the cabin.

[@zatchbell5678]

That's what I was thinking, but then why tf was the cabin locked?? >running for my life >oh shoot, gotta lock up lol

[@jennifermc809]

@@zatchbell5678 good point.

[@zatchbell5678]

@@jennifermc809 if not for that bit, everything else would fit, they run in fear in different directions, fred falls in the water and drowns, david burns himself making a fire and then the thing chases him again and he dies of hypothermia in the cold. But the door is locked. Bizarre.

[@jefferykaighin7039]

Adam, Love your channel and love your research! Don't change anything!👍

[@jaredmeier1438]

Isn't the Nahani River Valley Known as the Headless Valley or something like that?

[@chris-bk9yg]

Great video adam really enjoyed it as always :)

[@MissingVoidTV]

Appreciated, thanks mist 👍

[@heatherlilly2344]

Well done as always! The first thing that comes to mind is The Nahanni Valley and the headless bodies that have been found there. I am unfamiliar with the geography in that area and how close this is to the Nahanni Valley but interesting nonetheless.

[@briancrouse9996]

I believe the dogman or Bigfoot are to blame. Also the crazy wendigo stories that come from that area are crazy

[@victoriabenton8378]

You are so good at presenting your cases. I love your channel! Thank you for being here for us 🇺🇸.

[@drew2fast489]

Whatever they were shooting at, in that cabin, got them.

[@FaderFlosser]

Yep, my head always goes to the supernatural... Squatch, aliens or spirits...

[@kitfisto1827]

No injuries to the bodies. They succumb to their hypothermic brains.

[@drew2fast489]

@@kitfisto1827 I don't buy hypothermia as the cause of death. Besides, hypothermia lacks explanatory power. I find it highly unreasonable to believe there's no connection between what they were shooting at and their deaths. Btw, hypothermia doesn't rule out a 3rd party. It only means they got cold.

[@drew2fast489]

@@d1user They were shooting in the cabin. They didn't get hypothermia in the cabin...

[@drew2fast489]

@@d1user So, they opened fire in the cabin. Then ran outside and 1 killed the other - with hypothermia - then drown himself. Then, the hypo-corpse somehow moved itself back to a previously searched area. All in light of, seemingly, no motive to want each other dead?

[@carolyns99]

First let me say that I am very impressed by your researching and the fact that you put citations in your videos and clearly indicate when there is an apparent contradiction or unclear information. There are a lot of people making videos who could take a lesson from your professionalism. Next, I think there is often a lot of undue emphasis put on "this area was searched before". Many of these searches are made in difficult terrain or weather. There also seems to often be the assumption made that the persons were actually dead the whole time and therefore someone else must have moved their body. It is always possible that the body wasn't found at point A because the person was still alive and wandering about. Sure, there are certainly some odd situations, but, again, the assumption seems always to be that the person was already deceased. In the cases where weeks or months pass before a body is found, the ability to nail down a time of death could be impossible. I have often seen comments such as "how could X have travelled so far in such a short period of time?" when, in fact, no one has any idea what that period of time may have been. In this case, I wonder what the toxicology results were, if done, on the bodies. If they ate something dodgy and started to hallucinate, they might have been shooting at pink elephants for all we know. They might not have been together because they became frightened of each other. Once out and running around off their heads - well, it could only go down hill from there. I wonder what sort of burns did David have. Something from falling in a fire, or from grabbing something hot - a gun barrel perhaps? Were they in some sort of life and death struggle against each other - either from drugs, food poisoning or some other cause that we don't know about. Is Frederick's body believed to have been in the river the whole time? Bodies sink before they float. How far could it have travelled? Was it upstream or downstream? Finally, what was the actual state of the cabin? Are there photos? If not then it is impossible to make a decision as to who was giving the more accurate picture. Why would the policeman lie? Why would the family lie? Is anybody lying or was one party misinterpreting the scene? Had it changed in between? My point being that anything can sound mysterious, bizarre and inexplicable if you don't have the full facts. Even the people searching didn't have the full facts. The only two people who did are, tragically, dead.

[@marcoslaureano5562]

Nahani Valley?! Oh dear, that's not good. Ask the Nakani what probably happened to them.

[@MissingVoidTV]

Interesting, I hadn't heard of the area before this. I suppose they have their legends in regards to the area?

[@marcoslaureano5562]

@John Lmao! good one!

[@marcoslaureano5562]

@@MissingVoidTV They do. Nahani valley is called the Headless Valley by the natives due to the many corpses they have found with their heads, not so much decapitated as ripped off. Very similar situation to Portlock Alaska. The best channel I've seen cover the legends that the native peoples of the Nahani Valley (the Nakani) have passed down for generations is Hammerson Peters. Good videos, even a book if I'm not mistaken.

[@whoshot7497]

Adam I appreciate you making more videos than before.. Thanks your the best 👍

[@GLING17]

A third party had to be involved as I see it. Human, animal, or cryptid but something else was involved!

[@icantthinkofaname15]

Ya SOMETHING. I don't think it's a person

[@karenleo2142]

I agree!

[@kitfisto1827]

Nope. The actions of both are consistent with someone suffering hypothermic psychosis.

[@karendutta4609]

@@icantthinkofaname15 has a 👍 next next week I have been playing a a new day game of of last season so so many

[@karendutta4609]

@@icantthinkofaname15 has

[@jerseystotler3615]

I enjoy your investigated channel so very much!! You go into such depth, these are things I have been interested in since a young child and still am!! Thank you for your fantastic channel.

[@ingridfong-daley5899]

I'm not Canadian, but i binge true crime like a fiend, and the word 'incompetence' is one of the most frequent adjectives used to describe the RCMP's methods I hear repeated in stories. The families routinely complain of things being either ridiculously overlooked/ignored or downright 'hidden' by officers. Maybe some locals will have more insight on that, but just as a listener of (particularly Canadian and Australian) True Crime, it's something I've picked up second-hand. :P

[@weekendmom]

The Nahanni River valley has a long-established reputation for strange deaths and disappearances. It's also known as the Headless Valley for the bodies found minus their heads.

[@kevinpruett6424]

Yeah, why do ppl camp out in these infamous areas and expect to remain safe? Foolhardy

[@jacobsen297]

It seems like they have tried to shoot something in the cabin but realized that whatever they tried to get rid of, is resistable against guns. Than they might have ran out in panic and split up so whatever was following couldn‘t get both of them... Please excuse my bad englisch grammar, I am from Germany and haven‘t practised it for years... but I love your chanel!

[@annas-g166]

You're English is very good 😊

[@ldawg7117]

Dude, what's funny is your punctuation, spelling, AND use of words in the proper context, is far better than the majority of native English speakers I see on KZbin.

[@ronlawrence342]

I thought the same exact thing about the guns. If it had been a bear , mountain lion or person they definitely would’ve carried those guns. The bullet holes indicated they had tried using the guns , the fact that they left them behind heavily implies they believed the guns were useless against who or whatever it was. Creepy! Hope all is well In Germany !

[@rdred8693]

You write it very well.

[@bunnyluver2176]

Another great video!! Love them all and your channel! Hope it gets the recognition it deserves! Keep up the hard work!

[@shawntowns8028]

Sounds like there was a fire fight from the hunters shooting at something that was outside trying to get in. The bullet hole in the floor suggests either a negligent discharge or something was under their feet. No one said anything about if there were any more ammo left from the ordeal. Too many variable to make any kind of hypothesis.

[@LuisaD93]

Hi Adam! So happy you posted today! Heyyyy ~~~ THANKS 😊

[@remta613]

*every suspicious death in the Nahanni* Police: "yup, nothing suspicious here. Nothing. At. All."

[@aleksmilenkovic1592]

Oh how I love listening to these stories from my cabin in the woods ;)

[@kirkjones9639]

The Taiga forest is amazingly dense. Muskeg, thick brush, trees etc. The people there know how too deal with it though. These guys were wilderness types, and shot up their cabin? A .270 or .30 cal. will go through walls of a cabin, with little problem. A .308 155 grain rifle round will go through 3 feet of concrete at 350 yards, for example. Dollar to donuts the round through the floor was an AD, while the guy was reloading, as adrenaline robes you of your fine muscle control, and you fumble things. They either thought something was there, or something was, and they went into panic mode. There is so little info, from when the incident occurred, we will always be verstumped, at this late date.

[@i69trucknuttz]

Ape canyon I’m just saying

[@amospanface9356]

"A .308 155 grain rifle round will go through 3 feet of concrete at 350 yards" LMAO someone talking about guns that knows absolutely nothing about guns. A 308 round won't go through 3 feet of concrete even at point blank range.

[@kirkjones9639]

@@amospanface9356 Ah another comment from the peanut gallery. I'm a Marine rifleman, I know what my weapons are and are not capable of.

[@amospanface9356]

@@kirkjones9639 LMAO You don't know which end the bullet comes out. Marine rifleman MY ASS

[@amospanface9356]

@@kirkjones9639 You came on and made a fool of yourself commenting on guns. Put up a video of you shooting a .308 through 3 feet of concrete, I will bet you 5k it can't be done even with full metal jacketed ammo at any distance. I am a gunsmith an have built custom rifles for the past 50 years. And you are the 'Peanut Gallery" so go back to mama's basement and lope yer mule.

[@highgroundbound1063]

Nice video you keep getting better. No cheeky jabs at anyone, keep it up.

[@staceyn2541]

I wonder if some of these people found in previously searched areas could be there because they were trying to get to the searchers. Especially hunters or experienced woodsman they could have been following footprints to find help. I dunno, all of these stories are so weird.

[@kitfisto1827]

Yes. If the "victims" are moving around, it's logical that they would pass thru areas already searched. No big mystery there.

[@staceyn2541]

@@kitfisto1827 I get so frustrated with 411 devotees who tout this as one of the biggest parts of the mystery. Ohhhhhweeohhh spooky! They found him in a spot already searched! WooOoo. Lost people move around. Dead bodies could get dragged around by scavengers. Searchers could miss something. I mean, how many times have you overlooked something you are looking for, only to find it in a spot already searched? I always search the places my kids have, just in case. Too often, the item is in one of those places. To be fair, it does add to the questions surrounding the disappearance, but I feel the prevalence of this 'mystery' just means that searchers should retrace their steps, just in case.

[@falconquest2068]

@@staceyn2541 Oh I see. The fact that this happens over and over again means nothing. Well I guess we just move on then!

[@staceyn2541]

@@falconquest2068 that is not what I said at all. I said that there are many lokely scenarios where this is not super mysterious. I also said that searchers should use the fact that this does happen quite often as a reason to possibly change their search patterns, if they don't do this already, so that they do secondary searches over ground previously covered. I merely think that the mundane possibilities for the sudden appearance of these bodies are too numerous to automatically think of it as super mysterious. It is curious and worth investigating.

[@falconquest2068]

@@staceyn2541 I agree with you.....mostly. You have to remember that members of SAR are trained searchers. They know what to look for. The fact that so many bodies appear in places already searched seems very mysterious to me. This can't just happen over and over again. Once or twice I can buy, but so many of these stories involve people who are found right under searchers noses, coincidence cannot happen that often. I do agree however that it merits research.

[@joysanders59]

Usually I have some l kind of idea, but this truly baffles me. I dont think they just met with an accident, but cannot figure out what could have happened. For many reasons. Thank you. Youre a wonderful storyteller with a great voice for it. Keep them coming! God bless.

[@ajnorwegian6071]

These men used to cut firewood for my father for 5+ years, dad was pretty surprised these bush guys died like this..

[@mouserirvine6699]

Ooooh, what does your dad think happened?? He knew these men personally! He must have a lot to say about this, and I want to know what he thinks! 😊🇨🇦😳

[@hopev8985]

You are so thorough. Subscribed. I enjoyed this. You are very intelligent.

[@LisaMarie-mc5oq]

They could have been fighting each other, with a 4 day gap it’s possible one left earlier than the other. And later the other one left to look for his friend who took off ,It’s all very sad. It kind of explains several things like the locked door,the distance between the bodies.

[@kevinpruett6424]

Very true. Except the place has reputation for high strangeness

[@karensills42]

This is exactly what I was thinking

[@reptilefisch]

I think it would be great if you made a video with mysteries that at first shared the familiar pattern that you look for, but were since then solved. It would bring a helpful perspective on why a body might be discovered in a previously searched area (alternatively accurate images of the location may help us appreciate why it could easily be missed), or generally strange disappearances that turn out to have mundane explanations. Though your unresolved mysteries always tickle the imagination, it can become unsatisfying when you know there will never be a proper explanation.

[@wht-rabt-obj]

The Nahani River? I know there are many stories of people being found beheaded in the Nahani Valley... don't know if that is close by, but it seems this area has a long history of strange deaths.

[@jerrycoffey2234]

Love your videos. Your one of the best of what you do. You can tell your actually care about the poor victim. Cheers from Tennessee.

[@stewartmeetball3417]

Tbh Adam.. this has got too be one of the weirdest one yet..

[@78deathface]

Adam, your content is always so interesting and well presented. Your videos always get better, too. Anyway, I’m a bit pissed, thanks for making such awesome, intriguing and oddly relaxing videos ✌️

[@Arnot517]

You are aware that the south eastern area of Canada is out of limits and people are discouraged from even hiking there. These two men were Not there yet apparently strange occurrences are known to be in that area. This story gives you the chills because you can not help but feel there may have been a supernatural explanation.

[@str8cndian]

ya right! they got smoked by a sasquatch!

[@scott3995]

Keep the good stuff coming Adam Doing awesome man...

[@Антон-и1т6г]

This scenario reminds me of the infamous dyatlov pass incident. I would say its because of the seemingly panicked state of the two individuals which most likely made them use the firearms and run away from the cabin. But the real cause still remains unknown, for the public at least. Makes me wonder how many similar incidents happen all over the world that get neglected by the authorities, or perhaps get covered up.

[@Bunchoeves]

I thought that exact thing. In Dyatlov the most logical reason for their panic was something that indicated an avalanche might be imminent. But what about here? It had to be they thought they were under attack by something and that they may have thought they locked the 3rd party in the cabin.

[@danamichelle1290]

I thought the same thing. That's a fascinating story as well..

[@derekbilston]

Burns and scratches seem to crop up a lot on these types of stories ! ? And that includes the Dyatlov Mystery.

[@martharobison3184]

This is bizarre!! Ty so much, Adam! What are the authorities hiding, & why? This happens way too often.

[@mosspiglet8766]

Where was the fire that caused the hands and arms burns? Where were the keys to the cabin? What equipment had they taken with them? Was the brush where one was found in the direction of the river? How was the blast hole in the shirt made?

[@tyronemalone4158]

Im thinking the blast hole could've happened with 2 people wrestling with a gun and it went off, blowing the shirt, explains the hole in the floor

[@mosspiglet8766]

@@tyronemalone4158 true, but no blast damage to the body reported.

[@patriciajrs46]

@@tyronemalone4158 How does a blast hole in the shirt explain the hole in the floor? That doesn't make sense to me. If he was wearing the shirt, he should have died from the blast, i.e. lots of blood. There was no blood found. Was the shirt on the floor? That would account for the blast hole in the shirt and a hole in the floor. This is a confusing case for sure.

[@creenation6609]

Watched this video again.. Man, if i ever needed a Lawyer.. I would love for Adam too represent me!! "He thinks & covers all possibilities!!" Entertaining & informative video as always. Thanks & take care. 🦅

[@MadbatThe1st]

The body in the river likely had been caught on the bank for a while before it came loose and continued down river. The other one could have been dragged there by animals. But the bush up there is really thick and dense. It's not hard to miss things.

[@elbaraquel1]

¡Gracias por tu video! 🙌 me encanta tu forma de narrar y de explicar el incidente ¡Saludos!

[@ghostnomad8953]

In my opinion the strangest thing other than the search being called off to soon is bullet holes in the floor like they was frightened about something on the out side or under the cabin flooring. And who knows maybe they ran out of ammo and chose to make a run for it.

[@nastyballs7935]

The hole is the floor could easily have been an accidental discharge

[@mjmj2860]

Mr. Top Mysteries, I always type thumbs up for your stories. There so good. Oh and two experienced freinds both dyeing. Also found in a place looked over by the Candaian Bountys. Also the cabin shoot all up. 👽AlIENS TOTALLY!!! Bad ones!!!

[@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit]

"good actual Lord" I'm gonna have to start using that 🤣🤣

[@davidburton-richardson9516]

Great video... Really enjoyed. David

[@edgewyze7352]

They didn't report the scene to flush out someone "who knows particular incriminating details" Maybe

[@MissingVoidTV]

Hey Edge, do you mean that they might not have wanted to share all the details because they had their own suspicions at the time?

[@gaylereid8264]

OK. Let's get real... It's gotta be the something that David Palides has shown eye witness testimonies to & that is the invisible mass that makes sound, makes foot prints, possy interdimensional. Why doesn't anyone want to go THERE???? Why doesn't anyone follow Adam's advice...AND GET BIZZARE?????????

[@gaylereid8264]

Maybe not the police, or RCMP surely we can discuss it on this forum!!!!! Gheezh

[@staceyn2541]

@@MissingVoidTV I have always thought that was standard practice, especially when talking to the media. Then again, so many cases are unsolved, it seems like they need to rethink strategies.

[@edgewyze7352]

@@MissingVoidTV absolutely. I'd like to think they not incompetent, but as with most of these cases that all the pieces don't fit no matter how you align them

[@ChristelMontoya]

Excellent video and such a strange case... Thank you 🦋

[@eveliinaniilivuo7329]

Please, can I have a T-shirt saying ”let’s get bizzare”?😂

[@karenleo2142]

Yeeesss! I love it!

[@jackiek8792]

Love it🤣♥️👍👍👍

[@jimcondon9032]

G'day from down Under Adam 👍 thumbs up Awesome work as always . 2 notifications within minutes 1 Hammerson Peters & 2 Top mysteries . Can't watch both at once so top mysteries first 😎 Both covering Canada & 411. This case is so 411 & it's got me thinking deeply just wish I had answers . I think it's extraterrestrial 👽 abduction etc Adam . We are living in an interesting time & I think we are on the cusp of starting to get some answers to all this & definitely multiple things going on hey 🤔

[@artemisiya1549]

To be fair, if competent people were in charge of these things you may be out a channel.🤣 great video as usual! Ty

[@nhmooytis7058]

True, most law enforcement couldn’t find their arses with both hands and GPS.

[@LogainAblar]

These stories are always so tragic and completely frustrating for the families as there isn't any closure. Personally, considering the two men were experienced bushmen, we'd have to guess that whatever was in that forest to terrify two experienced bushmen to the extent that they were firing wildly at something outside of the cabin, it was something they'd never expected or experienced before. I'd guess they were either forced to leave the cabin, leaving their weapons behind or they left willingly realizing their weapons wouldn't make a difference. Either way, considering how deep in the woods the cabin is and with their experience, they had to know their chances of survival were slim under the circumstances. Even then, it makes more sense to stick together while traversing the forest but that seems to have not happened either. Did they separate willingly or did something force them to split up as if being pursued? Did one man leave the cabin first and the other went after him? If so, why? That would explain the locked door, not taking any supplies and leaving the weapons behind because at least one of them would have expected to return shortly if this is the scenario. But how did the burns happen? Why the shots fired? Were they shooting at each other? The owner of the cabin is suspect. To say nothing seemed amiss at the cabin when he arrived to find the two missing is a blatant contradiction to what the families involved in the search said. The RCMP sucked too. To so quickly end the search and so quickly claim there wasn't anything unusual found and no foul play when there clearly was tells me the RCMP and possibly the cabin owner too either knows what happened to the two men or were involved in what happened to the two men. 13 years is a long time to stay quiet about something that was viewed as unfortunate accidents.