“Call of Doom” - The Story of Doom’s Bizarre Cancelled Game

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[@spark556]

Love your videos! 💪🔥

[@pvtnewb]

I feel like the "normal dude infantry" campaign still have a place, maybe as a parallel to what's happening during 2016's DOOM, it'd be interesting to play as your average UAC joe

[@PhilAlm92]

Absolutely! Like the astra militarum perspective in Warhammer 40k

[@SpecShadow]

something like Halo ODST ? that would be cool

[@DrundeFPS]

i don't know why gamers loves dumbed down games, the famous "atmosphere over gameplay".

[@mschulmeister6519]

@@DrundeFPS Playing as a weaker character has no relation to a game being "dumbed down" nor having "atmosphere over gameplay"... i get what you are refeering to, but in this context it didn't made much sense o_O

[@cm-pr2ys]

I'd be down to play as an elite guard vs demons.

[@MaxBaik]

I gotta say, it's amazing how Doom 4 1.0 shotgun survived through two development reboots and appeared in the final game almost unchanged

[@SuperPrinnyDood]

I feel like this could work if it was a Side story DLC for Eternal, showing that not all humanity died and fought as much as they could

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

Yep. Side project from some humans perspective.

[@grasshopper-ln9us]

Never played the new doom games due to have having the hardware to play them...still dont but ive watxhws videos of these games and yeah i agree that would deff work...bur D3 i did dind a blast espescialy with the perfectes doom mod

[@windowsux]

Technically speaking Xbox could try getting Bethesda/ID to cooperate with Treyarch/Ravensoft in the CoD coalmines and make this an actual standalone thing since there now both owned by Microsoft, and I'm sure the zombie mode would be very interesting once you add Doom 3/64's demons into the equation to pair with the horror aesthetic.

[@TheCunningStunt]

@@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn -Halo 3- Doom 3: ODST

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

@@TheCunningStunt totally!

[@somerandofilipino6957]

This could make for a decent standalone spinoff actually. Having an average Joe actually struggling against an Imp could really help to put things in perspective

[@danieladamczyk4024]

Doom 3

[@ghost085]

​@@danieladamczyk4024you are still overpowered against those demons. A shotgun blast to the face kills an imp and their fireballs are way too easy to dodge

[@ghost085]

I dream of Arkane making an immersive sim in the Doom 2016 universe.

[@danieladamczyk4024]

@@ghost085 Doom imsim sound great.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

Open World Doom multilayer survival game?!

[@amharbinger]

"Doom 4 remains in development" Just like Prey 2 and we saw what happened.

[@slckb0y65]

to be honest, had it been named anything but Doom, it was a pretty good concept if i can say so myself. Metro 2033/Call of Duty but with demons ? sign me in.

[@TheCunningStunt]

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[@Mecks089]

A DOOM spin-off featuring a different MC besides Doom Guy, as in just an ordinary joe versus an army of demons sounds nice. Doom Guy is already quite poweful and defeated many demon invasions, he's busy doing his own thing, especially with Dark Age coming soon. I'd love to see a one-time experimental spin-off. COD with Demons doesn't sound bad either, we already have COD Zombies which started off as a separate mode, and practically became it's own series.

[@JoshuaJacobs83]

A normal soldier fighting off the demons of hell only to have a Halo Reach-like ending would be amazing. Maybe end with the MC dying and then, as he fades, he sees the Doom Marine kicking ass and have like a VO saying "It looks like God hasn't abandoned us after all..." fade to black

[@dankenstein9462]

who is luke and why do we have to reach him?

[@gregwelsh2985]

These are some of the best retrospectives on KZbin. They are fantasitic.

[@DJ88Masterchief]

We were so close of getting a “Halo 4” (A game chasing trends) version of Doom. Luckily ID realized they needed to self reflect and collaborate.

[@EdwardVGrimm]

💯 💯 💯 - id ALMOST f*cked up.

[@RenzoMorini_857]

they probably learned from Rage

[@MarcusPacheco-ep8kk]

I honestly love a sequel to Doom 3, with that early 2000s "Half-Life 2" design philosophy

[@MontaguStudios]

Yes! Doom 3 is my fav game in the series and I was hoping id would continue the story of Bertruger’s hell (even though he died in Resurrection of Evil).

[@celticfrost86]

Same, a sequel following the same survival horror style.

[@spark556]

Doom 3 is overhated. Sure it's not a good Doom game but it is a good game overall. Loved the uncanny horror feel in it 🔥

[@BONNIEE1983]

Doom 3 is as good of a doom game as all the other ones but doom 4 would have sucked ass

[@thiagovidal6137]

Doom 3 was a mistake.

[@DinoDave150]

It's amazing all the ideas that were thrown around before we finally got DOOM (2016). I haven't seen a game go through so many radically different ideas and still turn out great since Resident Evil 4.

[@d4n5t3p3]

prey 2006 as well

[@quaz1232]

Duke Nukem Forever had a worse fate

[@CERRYGREENBAY]

@@quaz1232that game and ACM shortly after are some of the most disappointing games of all time. Promised so much, delivered so little. Still got anger from ACM to this day.

[@badman5852]

Doom 2016 to Doom Eternal was a big change. For the worse in my opinion.

[@quaz1232]

@@CERRYGREENBAY Yeah, Duke Forever could have been the game of the decade. If only Broussard wasn't so egomaniac...

[@evilmonkeywithissues]

I don't care what people say, Doom 3 was awesome. Doom 64 was my introduction to the series, and Doom 3 was the first Doom I actually bought myself after saving my allowance for like six months. I can remember how scary it felt walking through those dark corridores with the occasional ambient light lighting up words like 'Succumb' and 'Suffer' written in blood on the walls. It was almost as scary as REmake while playing in a dark room late at night. The only game to creep me out that much in recent times was Outlast and its sequel.

[@kylemulkey9659]

So I grew up on the PS1 Doom games and Doom 64. All those had horror elements, unlike the PC games. So for me, Doom 3 felt like a natural progression.

[@christianheinz3395]

I started with Doom 1 around 93 when I was 8yrs old. Doom 3 scared the shit out of me. Only other game that did that for me so far was Alien Isolation.

[@thx134]

I still kinda wish we got it as a side a game. I kinda miss the doom 3 gameplay and I kinda want a spinoff series based on that gameplay.

[@hydra7427]

I would argue this should be reconsidered. Not because Doom has lost its way, but because CoD has and there is a chance to retake that subgenre.

[@kylemulkey9659]

Doom has absolutely lost its way with the new game announced. It might as well be a quake game or somethin at this point.

[@666chapelofblood]

@@kylemulkey9659 They should've just made a new Quake game honestly.

[@SoupDragonification]

Remember, no hellspeak

[@mkultra2456]

Change your profile picture to something less gay.

[@darkron288]

I know alot of people would not have liked it, but as a doom 3 fan i would have loved experience this, ideally i would have loved a timeline where this game came out and then 2016 and eternal still happened, but it feels like we missed out on a pheonimal game with doom 4

[@gregd3344]

I hope they release this one day. I'd love to experience it

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

Actually, a game about a simple average soldier that got stuck in the middle of demons invasion on earth during, let's say Doom Eternal events, could a be cool spinoff game. Like, it's still the same events but from the eyes of a different person. I would actually like to see something like it.

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

People hate on this game while most guns, demons, enviroment concepts, and the glory kills, all begin with Doom 4 Doom 4 would be more like Wolfenstein the new order, not Call of duty Specially given the big roster of demons and all the weapons and glory kils Now the next Doom is grounded and slow, everyone claps But when that was the concept but taking place on Earth people hated it

[@FR4M3Sharma]

It was Mick's score for the 2016 reboot and discovering mods like Brutal Doom for the classic that got me back into Doom. If not that then I probably wouldn't have looked at it.

[@billtree52]

I just don't get why we can't have both. Like regular Doom Slayer games AND a separate series where you play as an every man. Like imagine using artillery strikes against Cacos or a whole level from an Ac130 taking down the Icon of Sin. A lot of missed opportunities.

[@-Raylight]

Honestly it could be a nice DOOM spinoff where instead of the chad Doom Guy or Doom Slayer, you play as the average guy. It's like being in Berserk's world but you're just the side character xD

[@KonigDesTodes]

I think the core ideas of "Doom 4 1.0" and the 'second' iteration could be meshed together and thrown to a third party group like Raven Software that did Quake 4 and Wolf2009 as a spin-off to the Doom franchise. I do hope id software isn't forever a one franchise studio though. I'd like to see more than just Doom coming from them *coughspQuake6cough*.

[@BlueJayWaters]

I did a survey for Bethesda shortly after Doom: Eternal came out, and I specifically said I would love to see a game taking the original inspiration of Doom 4's regular Joe aspect and make either a dlc or prequel game where you and 3 other normal marines are trying to fend off the demon invasion on earth. Could have built up more lore, or just flesh out earth's chaos at the time, but as great as Doom 2016 was and how lore wise Doom: Eternal really delivered, I still feel this Doom 4 concept has merit, they just didn't have the proper vision to deliver it

[@ecoterrorist]

Can play brutal doom with extermination day and pretend its this doom 4 concept

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

I really hope that the community's newfound interest in Doom 4 helps reignite idSoftware's passion for the project and takes another stab at it. I still find the story and world building ideas of Doom 4 to be very fascinating and chock full of untapped potential! I can just see a survival action horror FPS with gameplay and level design being a hybrid of Metro Exodus and a more grounded version of Doom Eternal working VERY well if done right. On top of that, they should bring Kenneth Scott and Wayne Barlowe back as the main art directors for the game so that Doom 4 can truly be one of the most bleakest and horrifying games in the franchise. A true successor to Doom 3 in that particular sense.

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

I'd actually love if they made this.

[@Tyranniod]

I'm glad they managed to sort it out in the end. Doom 2016 was my introduction to this series and now Doom eternal is one of my all time favourite FPS games.

[@myplane150]

I would love to play a Doom game where you are a typical soldier fighting the Hordes of Hell. It would be so cool if the Doomslayer showed up from time to time as you progress through the game. Perhaps your character could find power armor and special weapons in an abandoned lab to help even the odds a bit. A different perspective could be really cool...☺

[@SeanVSOfficial]

I honesty would've loved to play this version of DOOM 4/2016, despite it being different in terms of gameplay (compared to classic DOOM).

[@Lord_Deimos]

I'm extremely thankful Doom 2016 looks nothing like Rage or this cancelled concept.

[@LordLOC]

Man, seeing clips from the Jace Hall show - I still wish that show was still going. Loved it back then, still want it back now lol

[@civilwarfare101]

I remember looking at the initial gameplay reveal and being like, "man scripted melee takedowns during combat, lame". And now I've come to love the concept, the takedowns look cool and you get rewarded with health.

[@MontaguStudios]

I’m pretty glad we got Doom 2016 instead of Call of Doom, but at the same time, I wish id Software had made a direct Doom 3 sequel instead.

[@EpuoHg]

Great subject for episode, and great co-sponsor. The whole thing was a breath of fresh air to watch!

[@LastOneLeft99]

Don't forget what Marty Straton did to Mick Gordon, Mick's music is a huge part of why Doom 2016/Doom Eternal were the hits they are. I'll never buy another Doom game while Marty still works for ID.

[@giggajames1903]

The more I see of the Hell on Earth concept, the cooler it gets. Just make it play like Doom 3/Quake 4 with a Half-Life 2 style resistance story, just some regular dude poppin' hellspawn and retaking Earth.

[@KatarnCrusader]

Im really glad that we did not get this version of Doom 4 as it seemed to differ to far away from what made the series so great in the first place. It looked just like yet another generic alien/demon invasion shooter with bland marine dudes with raspy voices and tragic background stories wandering through a greyish/pukeish post-apocalyptic scenery. And there were way to many games like that out there around that time. If this would have flopped or underperformed, that failiure would have propably put the whole franchise on ice for a long time. The fourth installment released in 2016 was a masterpiece! No bullshit - just pure adrenaline, rage and action polished to perfection.

[@Grimbop]

I think this idea could be really successful if they market it as the Halo:ODST of Doom. All it would take is a few devs to call it it that and watch the clips of that interview to go viral.

[@thenextlevel123]

Such a good thing that ended up with the best version.... I do think doom on earth is a good idea "not like eternal" but only if it's fast paced which it probably won't ever be in a city setting.

[@ReprobiCrucesignati]

I wouldnt mind seeing a spin-off where you play as a survivor or a regular GI trying to survive

[@jaysanj152]

Wish there more people be open minded and optimistic cus this actually has a great potential to be a good doom spinoff title. Like the thing that interest me the most about that setting is that during the opening intro of Doom Eternal,we get to hear a distress call from which are probably the resistance group struggling and are beyond help. and Judging by the footage and the characters from the game, those soldiers could actually pretty much be from the same resistance/UAC group. I'd be very much love to play this game personally, sure it no doom where you get full power fantasy and feeling like a badass. But heck it'll be a fresh take cus playing as a simple, vulnerable yet thriving soldier from the resistance surviving the very literal hell apocalypse is an actually amazing setting. It could have been the Halo ODST of the Doom Franchise, Just needed proper writing, some good characters and a solid gun play and you're pretty much good to go.

[@kylemulkey9659]

I would have loved to see this. People talk like this is a massive deviation but so was Doom 2016 (a Serious Sam/Painkiller reskin) and Doom Eternal with all it's vertical gameplay. Don't get me wrong, they are really awesome games but so was Doom 3 in my opinion. We know it's canon that Earth was attacked, why not get a view of that perspective from a normal guy, or a soldier fighting on the frontline. Eternal tried to do Earth but it was so far disconnected in my opinion it might as well been a different planet.

[@justinr9784]

Someone needs to leak this. Id be fascinated to play it.

[@Foxtrop13]

"demons and.. uhm.. shotguns " 3000 IQ mastermind john carmack

[@lanarkorras4411]

I wouldn't call it a tragedy though. It was an important step on the way to Doom 2016, one of the most innovative FPS among them all. Even better that id didn't need to release the game to realize it needed to take a different route altogether.

[@maodijong3661]

I'd love for iD to go back to Doom 3 style horror mechanics and game play. Even if it was just an expansion or DLC of sorts.

[@ryanarcadia9652]

We want the Call of Doom audience

[@Angelo-wf4kf]

Game was also on Stadia and Switch! I turned into a doom fan thanks to the switch port and played it on stadia on highest difficulty

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

Average Joe "Doom Guy" just makes me want an Open World Doom multilayer survival game 😂

[@riffbw]

This dark period between Doom 3 and Doom 4 is the result of all the creative minds leaving the company and a tech junkie running things. Don't get me wrong, I love Carmack, but he's not a game designer, he's a tech builder. The company forgot what made them great and didn't realize their loyal fan base was begging for their next game to be a 90s shooter rather than a Call of Duty clone. I personally think Doom 3 is a masterpiece and could have been the kicking off point for Doom tracking to be a great survival horror franchise that could be expanded upon in the modern landscape. But in order for Id to sell that, they needed to give us a run and gun Quake 4 before launching something new.

[@GTXDash]

Game developers need to be fans of a game series when they are working on an installment in that series in order for them to know what the installment actually needs.

[@emulation2369]

we never had original Rage 2, but instead we got Mad Max 2 that got cancelled and turned into new version of Rage 2

[@blackmesacake5361]

I would play the hell out of a Doom Eternal prequel set on Earth like ODST

[@Gat720Dua]

One of my problems with Call of Duty and similar other games is that the stories tend to be samey, usually you're a soldier dude fighting in some foreign country. I gravitate with more fantastical settings and stories so having a CoD-like game with demons sounds fun to me.

[@payzee87]

It's a shame that all the Doom 1.0 original story and gameplay style wasn't transferred into a new Quake game.

[@happy5642642]

If it's something not name "DOOM" and takes place in the same universe, maybe people would actually entertain the idea. But I'm glad this game never happened, since there were too many games with similar mechanics and settings at the time, reshaping it into DOOM 2016 is the right call.

[@jehorigby8778]

I disagree, people struggle with concepts, this video suggested that mechanical similarity, however there's another - *A distorted world, with action and scripted story sequences* - think about that for a moment, it's possibilities are broad It could just as well have been a half life-doom with personable characters scripted 'levelution' set pieces and tighter (relative to doom) shooting mechanics

[@Barbaroossa]

I would've loved to have played this Call of Doom game, specially since Id always managed to deliver some great visuals on their outdated Id Tech 5 engine.

[@amirmohamad2270]

Mega Texture 😂 man that bring back memories. I had to buy a 3 disk Xbox 360 game because Carmack thought "big textures go brrrrrrrr"

[@IronThumbs]

we got 60fps rage and wolfenstein the new order for the PS3/Xbox 360 because of it, you know...

[@jonbourgoin182]

The most surprising thing about all this is that it took 12 years from the release of DooM 3 for us to get a new mainline game. Not to mention 10 years from the release of DooM II.

[@brickproduction1815]

Coincidentally I was revisiting doom 3 because of the Phobos mod

[@WrathOfGrapesN7]

This honestly sounds like something that I'd have much preferred over what we got.

[@DoomRulz]

So this project was very nearly...doomed. ...I'll show myself out

[@CERRYGREENBAY]

A doom in the style of metro exodus would be perfect. This gives me similar vibes to the metro games. I think it’d be super cool.

[@januskaisar4972]

Doom 2016 was everything the E3 trailer promised and more

[@WarDogMadness]

Rage was a tech demo. I loved the game but it was unfinished

[@LilLorThatGamerFoo]

Wish this game still came out.. maybe as a spin off or something or even just a completely different and new franchise in general 😮‍💨

[@InFlamesor12]

The game looks like a some kind of rage mod :D, I remember about the leak of the footage you showed. Was very happy they scrapped it and instead we got DOOM 2016 instead.

[@DrownedInExile]

Doom without doomguy or demons? Big nope, this isn't Doom anymore. Although I do like the idea of Earth slowly transforming into hell.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

I like the look of the weapons from the early versions of Doom 4/2016... What's funny is the SSG was never chanced through development. If you watch the early Call of Doom footage it's the same gun, 7 years without being touched... If only I could say the same for me jk.

[@xCrimsonTV]

Always looking forward to these videos! ♥

[@risto4216]

Honestly this could have been a good Quake game, having the strogg invade earth.

[@Phreno_Xeno]

They were making an FPS. How bizarre! I would have bought and played DoD if it wasn't canned.

[@NaumRusomarov]

i wouldn’t mind such a game, however i can see why the studio wouldn’t want to make it.

[@badman5852]

I absolutely hate Doom Eternal. The jumping and swinging around just kills it for me. Hate the lack of ammo. It just feels like something else. Just not for me. A side story with a random grunt could be awesome though.

[@webbo654]

I mean, I wouldn't say no to a spin off, you play as some normal marine fighting back the hordes on a slightly smaller scale, occasionally bumping into the slayer at certain intervals?

[@KevTheGalaxybender]

They should dig this up and turn it into another shooter. It looked cool but not DOOM. Call it "Hell on Earth," package it, and ship it!

[@Hatsworthful]

It does seem better with the higher polish and general work put into it, but the whole 'call of doom' thing will always feel like they avoided falling into the same pits that the xbox turok did.

[@RenegadePandaZ]

I just want another Quake game with a single player campaign and arena style multiplayer that isn't ruined by MTX and all the other modern crap like Champions was.

[@nathanielmabis5803]

I think it's a bit of a stretch calling it a "tragedy" when what we instead was Doom 2016, a fantastic game

[@desanite]

I hope someday we get a proper spinoff survival horror type sequel to doom 3. with tons of narrative, takes place on earth and plays similar to something like Silent Hill 2 remake. maybe make a new character as lead and be when hell on earth first happens. we need bloober on the job or something i really like doom 2016, but doom eternal isn't for me every time I try it. i low-key hate eternal. feels like they looked into the review and feedback too much and leaned into it too much

[@tysonlaplante3957]

this is why i hate these big investors wanting to push out the same product every year. the Infranty doom would been awesome and unique. shame they lost soo much talent after being forced to give up on that game and Rage 2

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

My old place out md had a Zenimax like 3mi down. Recall wanting to march in there and cause some chaos..

[@drthraxx]

Doom Live Service too, that was an idea.

[@ghostv86]

Doom 4 had to die so Doom could exist. Doom 2016 Doom Eternal and soon Doom Dark Ages These are testaments.

[@StroggKingu]

Except that Eternal went almost mobile customization and in abstract way in story, and Dark Ages so far feels like even more lost cause to me.

[@thespiken]

Hot take but This is what we should have got instead of doom 2016 and its sequels,I’m a big fan of doom 3 and the original trilogy and I really loved the post apocalyptic mad max terminator future war idea they had going for this game.

[@bennygerow]

2:34 OMG I thought you were gonna say something else

[@MrMctuck]

💦

[@najhoant]

To be fair, on its own, "Call of Doom" is not a bad title for a video game or a horror movie

[@DevinPritchard]

No Doom 64 B roll? heartbreaking

[@fattiger6957]

As a spinoff game, this sounds okay. But as a mainline, flagship Doom game, absolutely not!

[@stevejacinto]

Keep up the amazing work you guys!

[@CropCirclePictures]

Commenting because I love you guys, will watch the rest when I’m off work! 💜💜💜

[@SomeKindaSpy]

Very glad we got what we got. I wouldn't have cared at all about Call of Doom.

[@UBtagSoGood]

I just want a Doom Destiny or a Doom Helldivers!

[@1famekouby]

must be a coincidence that roughly 90% of failed AAA projects are due to shit tier direction I'm sure.

[@JAZIBKALEEM]

id software dodged a bullet by not releasing this! Doom (2016) is miles ahead of what this looks like.

[@wallacerigby4393]

Resistance Fall of man

[@LeiCal69]

Damn! we were so close on losing Doom.