Caller: "The Adam And Eve Story LITERALLY HAPPENED AS WRITTEN!" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@Rage867]

Imagine being a teacher and having to deal with a kid like this who automatically assumes he is smarter and constantly telling them that science is wrong and they should go look it up. Forrest is a biologist, there is nothing the caller knows about biology that Forrest doesn't know.

[@kevinkoch-jj1uj]

As a former science educator, I've had it happen numerous times.

[@tristantorres3558]

@@kevinkoch-jj1ujthank u for putting up with it, teachers are severely under appreciated

[@hdmaragh]

So many teachers have to suffer through this! I have made 3 science teachers her suffer through me in high school. The only ones I didn’t were chemistry and physics…. But the bio teacher I had bent myself to be annoying

[@MarkoVukovic0]

I'm so tired of theist adults behaving in this way. They are science illiterate yet think they know more than centuries of discovery and people who spend a lifetime studying the cosmos.

[@ryanrobinson2380]

It's like my cousin and he's 37 yrs old.

[@jimaureli6475]

It's unbearably awful what religion does to a human beings mind.

[@raccuia1]

I question whether it is religion. I think these creatures are just plain dumb and just plain sick.

[@bmoshareholderappleshareho855]

Religion is legalized insanity.

[@trafficjon400]

They found proof today but, 30-40 years ago they kept Science Class none Mandatory. strange isn't it.

[@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z]

I've come to the conclusion it's a chicken and egg question. Do illogical minds naturally embrace religion, or does religion make them illogical? It's apparently far more common for people to realize that the Bible is a mess of poetry and impossible assertions and leave religion than for a logical critical thinker to gravitate toward religion.

[@claudiasolomon1123]

​@@trafficjon400 proof of what??

[@hanhan7395]

I like how he says “I got ya, yall don’t believe stars fall out of the sky..” as if they were the crazy ones and laughs lol

[@FrikInCasualMode]

I wonder if caller is aware that sometimes shooting star is a bag full of frozen astronaut poop, falling from the orbit?

[@franciscosustek7249]

These nuts are scary... specially when challenged

[@theaviationist.5719]

He gives me the “They are eating the Dog and cats. They are eating pets” vibe kind of guy. 😊

[@shardinhand1243]

@@theaviationist.5719 whos saying that other that you??? and also way are you saying this wierd off topic thing... bro, your in an relegious forrem trying to start a conversation on the weather, the fu ck you doing bro??? are you board?? we got reddit and tic tac for that

[@arthurhunt642]

Not a lot of brain activity is the perfect way religion works every time!

[@IamValak-j9e]

once again we have an uneducated armchair biologist who call in thinking he knows better than an educated, professional Biologist

[@stevewhite6861]

Welcome to religion.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

But ribs can grow back therefore an entire human being was created from someone's rib. 😂 What's hilarious is apparently this God thing can breathe the entire universe into existence, but it then needs a rib to create a woman.

[@danielatherton1631]

I'm at 3:39 and giving up cos I can't tell what he's mumbling.

[@trafficjon400]

Doing it through Faith . as if God was a very Unselfish God who allows thousands of Denominations Grow out ragiously over the nation. a new one I found called the "WICKED MOON" who believe God Died along with Jesus christ on the Cross thousands of years ago. why God is so Unselfish about a new Denomination who believe he Died . Budhist religion that strictly say they arn't Budhist but is plasttered all over their belief. the Christ Father is the true God and his Aliens are watching over Us .we the People who have Souls and the elites are jealous of us because they don't have souls being the trick for thousands today are starting to believe in America.

[@IamValak-j9e]

@crazyprayingmantis5596 there zero evidence of limbs oe bones ever growing back, just another Christian lie

[@JayMaverick]

Ah, a broken rib usually heals therefore god. Can't argue with that logic.

[@IRGeamer]

“If you’ll just give up your critical faculties, a world of idiotic bliss can be yours.” - Christopher Hitchens

[@nuclearsimian3281]

This guy argued that you could remove half a man's entire ribcage and it'd just grow back. That shit just doesn't happen. Ever.

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

Yeah I think he suggested ‘grow back’ wasn’t just reattachment or healing easily as is often the case with rib fractures, but that removed ribs can reappear !

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

@@IRGeamerperfect

[@csjrogerson2377]

I'm so glad he's not an orthopedic surgeon, but I also wonder if stacking shelves in Walmart might be too demanding for him.

[@arctictruck10]

God created everything from nothing about 6000 years ago but needed dirt to create Adam and a rib to create Eve! Lol 😆 🤣

[@Dcuniverse60]

@@arctictruck10 there is no god he is made up like everything else fiction related

[@matthew6427]

That's how you know it's real! 😉

[@wsconsn]

But then he had to knock up a 13 year old without her consent to create himself, to sacrifice himself, to himself, for an imaginary disease, that he gave you, and you still have….

[@charlestownsend9280]

He also didn't think to make a female human until Adam tried finding a wife with all the female counterparts of all the other animals they made. But he did create Adam with the male reproduction organs without any plans of making a woman, along with the skin that he doesn't like and will latwr command to be cut off.

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

​@@wsconsnto be fair doesn't say her age

[@jettythesunfish]

The Adventures of Mudman and Ribwoman!

[@drziggyabdelmalak1439]

😂 brilliant!

[@philojudaeusofalexandria9556]

This sounds like the title of a terrible eyebrow-raising porn.

[@JohnnysCafe_]

In a cinema near you. 😂

[@modernenglishman7802]

That's pretty damn funny.

[@AXKfUN9m]

TAMR 3: Out of Home. Featuring the return of Lilith the feminist demon woman.

[@joshsheridan9511]

The argument that proves the apologist has lost "Were you there? "

[@meloveAi]

I really, really wanna answer that with "Yes, I saw it all. You don't believe me? Well were YOU there??? Did you not see me there?"

[@nosuchperson284]

​@@meloveAiDid they see Jesus wake up from the dead? Was Antonio in the garden of Eden? Someone hasn't put two thoughts together to realize that the question is just as applicable to them. Kinda heartbreaking how deluded we can be.

[@meloveAi]

@@nosuchperson284 I think it's a pity when they have never exercised their critical thinking. It really is like this is the first time they've thought of the question and throws it out without looking at it thoroughly first.

[@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z]

Nobody was, including the people that wrote the book as though they were. A really bad argument for sure.

[@rayhill5767]

Well it sounded so convincing the way the preacher said it.

[@aeroosprey]

Today, on another exciting episode of "Caller thinks they know biology better than a professional biologist after watching a single facebook video"...

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

But the guy in the FaceBonk video was wearing a white lab coat so he must be talking real science!

[@jo_b7405]

Exactly what I was thinking!

[@alisonjones8861]

Antonio saying "I understand" really sounds like he doesn't

[@brandonng2883]

More like he said he understood but he wasn't listening. He was waiting for the silence from AXP so that he could speak

[@arthurfleck629]

@@brandonng2883Exactly

[@rikomagic2885]

Antonio really doesnt understand, he just blindly follows a belief. Forrest saying 'we have mountains of evidence against a global flood' is priceless and wasted on Antonio

[@MrCanis4]

“Just look it up”. Where, in the Bible? 😂😂😂

[@arthurhunt642]

No shit! The Abrahamic way to the stars 🌟 should be taught in every classroom!

[@jeffc2630]

​@arthurhunt642 Thats sickening !

[@Childfree334]

I am embarrassed and ashamed to admit that I used to think just like Antonio. From the time I was a child, I was told what to believe and not to question it. Up until then, I had not read the Bible for myself, but only cherry-picked verses taught by my church. I had assumed everything in the Bible was just true. At Thanksgiving dinner with my family in 2003, I got into an argument about theism and homosexuality with my gay nephew, who was never a believer. I very arrogantly thought I had the moral high ground over him and everyone else who was not a believer. He very calmly encouraged me to read the entire Bible for myself, so I did just that believing it would reaffirm my position. It took me 18 months, but when I was finished, I could not function for 4 months after. I was so filled with rage, so angry, and so hurt that I had been LIED to about the goodness and love of this God. What I read in the Bible had nothing to do with love. It was about a deity that advocated for sexism, racism, misogyny, war, human sacrifice, slavery, and the senseless unaliving of sentient babies and children. No matter how hard I tried, I could NOT do the mental gymnastics required to defend such an evil deity. Right there began my deconstruction. I refuse to believe any divine being inspired the disgusting mess that is the Bible. If anyone should be judged and beg for forgiveness, it is Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah, not people. If anyone should suffer eternal damnation, it is this deity. What it did to Bathsheba's baby son is pure evil. Don't even get me started on the rest. I profusely apologized to my nephew, and we are now closer than ever.

[@chongeiktong3426]

Agreed full heartedly undoubtedly and totally. Would put that deity in jail if possible.

[@lh1673]

Wow same here! Exact POINTS about the Bible, 🍒 picking and wasn’t reading it carefully😅I also was shocked to the core when the Christian org I was in showed a Bible drama from Deuteronomy 13 episode! I still wonder, why I hadn’t known this horrific scripture a command from a God to STONE any members of your family or relatives who doesn’t agree to him😮Since seeing that drama as a Christian that time, I couldn’t take it anymore believing and praising such book God😅

[@jackwhitbread4583]

I applaud you for having the strength and integrity to change your mind when presented with conflicting data, it's not an easy thing for a vast number of humans . People don't often admit they were wrong and apologise for their wrongdoings. I'm glad you were able to admit to yourself that the God you were indoctrinated to believe is a monster and that you were able to make amends with your cousin. I have enormous respect for anyone who has the strength to deconstruct, coming from a secular country and home I can't relate on a personal level but I certainly see the damage and trauma of those abused and traumatised by organised religion and my heart goes out to you all.

[@chrispbacon3042]

Unaliving in english called murder. If you are an adult it is actually not that hard use proper words.

[@vevocreb]

Good for you and I’m glad you and your nephew have a better relationship. More people need to do what you did and read the bible from cover to cover.

[@3_Degrees]

I genuinely feel bad for this guy. It’s so embarrassing and he doesn’t even realize it.

[@johncunningham739]

His indoctrination is severe.

[@arthurhunt642]

Acute!

[@davidschneide5422]

This nickel is as dumb as a rock

[@paulgemme6056]

@@arthurhunt642 The suffering of this world either draws you to God/Jesus Christ or pushes you further away. Because we have a free will we choose to believe or not believe. Unbelief is the only reason a soul goes to hell. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of sin. The sins of the whole world. We either except the free gift of eternal life - to know him or we say no thank you and die in our sins and go to hell. The choice is ours. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@alexissmith5589]

@@paulgemme6056 Keep drinkin' that koolaid

[@paulgemme6056]

@@alexissmith5589 Read your bible with the desire to know the truth (Jesus Christ) and the truth will set you free. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. Man is the most destructive creature on the planet. Do some research. Toxins everywhere, in the air, in the water, in the soil, in the food and our bodies. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man sats he has never done wrong/sinned he is a lair, and the truth is not in him. Jesus Christ is our only hope of salvation. This evil world, atheists and the devil (Satan) offer no hope. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[@rivet92392]

I am amazed how often watching these I just feel soooo bad for the people that call in. Family members, education, and the community let these people down.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

Nobody makes them believe absurd lies from a book of nasty stories of racism and sexism. The people who choose to believe that are just evil.

[@magnetiktrax]

US education system.

[@brynpookc1127]

Well, students have to make an effort too, not just sit in chairs like dolts.

[@mattarnold4903]

I'm suing AXP.... This caller caused me concussion due to facepalm injuries

[@juintevrucht6079]

You're right! There should be a disclaimer at the beginning. Also, what about whiplash from reacting to a callers statement? Haha.

[@cmosdriver]

LOLOL

[@DM-zi2up]

For real, and the thing that irritates me the most is his self confidence lol. Boy speaking as if he wasn't advocating for a fairy tale to be true.

[@petrlorenc7230]

Don't do this to me, I'm dying of laughter. Also: "I'm suing AXP" is the most american thing I heard in a while...🤭

[@mattarnold4903]

@@petrlorenc7230 Even better, saying it as a Brit

[@ahah86]

This guy is the perfect example of what happens when the education system is failing.

[@LudwigFeuerbach-uf7ri]

I'm glad to live in an area where religious people are viewed as at least slightly crazy

[@JBee887]

Same here. Most of the churches in my city are abandoned or historical buildings that are there for people to visit like a museum.

[@LudwigFeuerbach-uf7ri]

@@JBee887 That's a good thing, religion is part of our history, that's why it belongs in the museum.

[@Sue-xv8os]

You're obviously not an American

[@JBee887]

@@Sue-xv8os what gave that away

[@nubrake802]

@@JBee887 If I had to guess he said that because in America there are not many abandoned churches? There are even mega churches there, it is crazy.

[@snakeplisssken8095]

If I remove my rib, that rib does not grow into a woman. What a weird argument.

[@SilverSlugs16]

Yeah he was all “you think that’s a coincidence??” Like bro if you’re trying to say a rib can grow into a person just because ribs can grow back under certain conditions…then you don’t have a point

[@BruceCarroll]

"What was Eve made of?" Pure imagination, as far as I can tell.

[@samuelschick8813]

Just like the gods of all religions.

[@martinkuliza]

by Willie Wonka and Nothing can compare to PURE IMAGINATION

[@EGOS42]

Antonio, "I understand." Narrator, "He doesn't"

[@seanjones2456]

This man will continue going through life with a fourth grade education

[@brynpookc1127]

You are giving him too much credit.

[@Ratciclefan]

Gotta love people who think they know more about biology than people who actually study it

[@olderthanyoucali8512]

Stupid people will defend their ignorance to their last breath.

[@stephenhill8790]

More like indoctrinated from birth, rather than ignorance

[@Kellie08]

⁠@@stephenhill8790No. It’s still ignorance. Willful ignorance to be exact. The scientific facts are there. Theists choose to ignore and deny them because they know those facts will weaken their faith and they have built their entire existence on their religion.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@stephenhill8790 Lost souls/people will continue to follow the blind. The blind leading the blind. The suffering of this world either draws you to God/Jesus Christ or pushes you further away. Because we have a free will we choose to believe or not believe. Unbelief is the only reason a soul goes to hell. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of sin. The sins of the whole world. We either except the free gift of eternal life - to know him or we say no thank you and die in our sins and go to hell. The choice is ours. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@sorryoutlandish]

@@paulgemme6056 okay sick so did hitler go to heaven? he was an active christian during his life

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

If heaven is full of people like him, then the other place is a preferable destination!

[@samuelschick8813]

Yes, Hell would be better. In Heaven to would have to constantly praise God. But in Hell there's beer, whiskey, gambling and loose women. LOL

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@samuelschick8813 Yup, all that, and they've got the best air conditioning system ever :) .

[@Bomsanchu]

claim: ribs fully grow back fact: a removed rib will not grow back.

[@lonelyp1]

I didn't think so. I never heard of ribs growing back. The whole skeleton replaces or is replaced by being alive, so if a rib is removed why doesn't it grow back just because it was there? Does removing the rib change your DNA? to say that rib no longer exists. Scars can fade but it takes a long, long time.

[@Bomsanchu]

@@lonelyp1first of all replaced means that there is still something, it's the thing about a whole bone regrowing that our body just doesn't have a mechanism for. can't explain why something can't happen. that's like explaining why we can't jump 100 meters into the air. we just can't because we don't have that capability.

[@josemiguelgonzalezwachter2269]

Antonio. I hope you went back to school after this call. I REALLY DO!

[@soulcrewblue8629]

Back to reality would be a start.

[@dancedecker]

Kindergarten would be more appropriate, if not a little advanced. Lol.

[@Jerrid_8675]

He thinks he's so smart .. it's hilarious 😂

[@thancrow]

When he said "Have you ever done anything wrong." He was channeling Ray Comfort.

[@guybrush1701]

I caught that too. Ray's tactics make my blood boil

[@thancrow]

@@guybrush1701 Agreed, I think I would tell him "Just shut the hell up, and leave me alone."

[@guybrush1701]

@@thancrow hes so fucking dishonest. It's infuriating. And every single argument he makes requires you to believe in God in the first place. He makes NO case outside of his stupid presuppositions.

[@LampseekerForevermore]

Arguing that ribs can regrow as an evidence for Adam and Eve while forgetting ribs also regrow in most other mammals which is an evidence for evolution.

[@nagranoth_]

oh, it's much worse... the bible doesn't mention Adam's rib growing back afaik, so it's irrelevant in that regard. Even if it did, god was doing magic so it wouldn't suggest heritability... A rib regrowing in the original animal does not in any way suggest the broken off part can regrow an entire animal, let alone of a different sex, so it's irrelevant in that regard as well. There's no connection at all to make it evidence. There's not even just "it's consistent" because ribs not regrowing is exactly as consistent with the bible. It's only "it's both about ribs"

[@IndridCool54]

What was Eve made from? A rib! And what’s the most delicious bbq item in Memphis Tennessee? A rib! So gawd must exist! 😋

[@jamesarnette1394]

But only at Houston's Restaurant on Poplar Avenue.

[@jamesarnette1394]

And those ribs are ungawdly.

[@12150pierre]

If there was ever any doubt that religion is harmful ,this proof should put it to rest

[@bmoshareholderappleshareho855]

What about the Jimmy Jones incident in Jonestown?

[@Specialeffecks]

@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 religion is as harmful as Heaven's Gate (some people can and do become convinced of anything way too easily).

[@torontocitizen6802]

The American school system is failing.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

It is deliberate. People like Mike and Forrest ask questions. That's a problem for a shitty government. People like the caller are easily manipulated.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Its probably being done on purpose. Authoritarians love having dumb gullible people around. Makes their job easier, usually. 😅

[@scottm85]

@@torontocitizen6802 they don’t teach this nonsense in school, they teach it in churches and religious institutions. We don’t all end up sounding like this guy, only those that have this garbage forced down their throats their whole life and live in echo chambers. Same thing happens in Canada, bro.

[@torontocitizen6802]

@@scottm85 You have states mandating that the commandments be displayed in every school classroom. You have states banning books!!! It’s easier for a 14 year old to get a hold of a rifle than it is for them to put their hands on “The Handmaid’s Tale”.

[@jensrogerkristoffersen5472]

If God created humans in his image and we're not perfect, how can God be perfect?

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

If God created humans in his image and humanity is monumentally stupid for the most part, how can g0d not be monumentally stupid?

[@AXKfUN9m]

@@holgerlubotzki3469 Well, he is...

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

god needs glasses apparently 🤓

[@reclused]

I wonder why God needs a penis, lungs, eyes, hands, etc.

[@rayhill5767]

Well if god is all loving and forgiving why do horrible things happen to children? Crickets

[@petervargo1696]

I mean, there are stars magnitudes larger than our own sun, let alone Earth.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

And there is not a single star smaller than the earth, the lower end of the star spectrums mass requires a star to be 80 times the size of our largest planet Jupiter. If a star somehow defies physics and falls to the earth half the solar system would be wiped out if not the entire solar system.

[@smochygrice465]

Congratulations on 417k 🙏 subscribers AXP ❤❤❤ Keep up the great work 💪

[@petyrkowalski9887]

So a man made from dirt (not possible) had a woman cloned from his rib (not possible.) had two sons then populated the entire planet, every race and colour on every continent. Yea… all sounds legit 😂

[@tristacarter53]

@@petyrkowalski9887 also, the 2 sons found wives from the other tribes. But no one talks about that.

[@IamValak-j9e]

ever noticed that christians never mentioned ' adams' first wife

[@jackwhitbread4583]

Lilith, she was reportedly also made from dust like Adam too right? She was created as Adams equal, Eve was created from Adam and was definitely not created as Adams equal. Christians want to perpetuate the myth that women were created to be subservient to men. It doesn't fit the Christian narrative to mention that Lilith was Adams equal in every way so they don't.

[@Jcs57]

Or that Eve is biologically a clone created from male DNA that would have had to be transitioned into female DNA to get the clone to turn out female.

[@noone3216]

Or the second one. I don't even think she got a name.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

What was she made out of? 😂

[@noone3216]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 hmm I don't actually remember what she was made of 🤔 What I remember of this old random Jewish folklore is that after Lilith there was another woman made for Adam, but she was made in front of him. So he saw her being put together from the inside-out - bones knitting together, ligaments, sinew, organs, muscles and tendons and fat and teeth and skin.. when she was done he couldn't stand to look at her, cos he was disgusted by the thought of what he saw, so she had to be, umm.. 'undone' 😅 Essentially god destroyed her cos Adam was grossed out. Then came the Eve story and putting Adam to sleep (after the 2nd attempt we know he cannot be allowed to see it happen) and taking the bone and so on. Some people think this is why Adam says "At last" when god brings eve to him - third times the charm I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@TooLooze]

Forrest is always a pleasure to watch.

[@paulgemme6056]

The blind leading the blind. The suffering of this world either draws you to God/Jesus Christ or pushes you further away. Because we have a free will we choose to believe or not believe. Unbelief is the only reason a soul goes to hell. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of sin. The sins of the whole world. We either except the free gift of eternal life - to know him or we say no thank you and die in our sins and go to hell. The choice is ours. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@vinnymarchegiano]

Stupid is dangerous!!

[@clemstevenson]

A caller with terminal Dunning-Kruger disease.

[@myanbeach]

Using the Bible as evidence for “magical sky fairies,” is like using “Peter Pan” for the existence of “Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer!” Same shit, different delusion.

[@awesomesause]

But also, using the Bible as evidence for a god gets you just as close to the truth as Peter Pan gets you to the existence of the lost boys.😅

[@myanbeach]

@@awesomesause yep 👍

[@vidhead85]

He wasn't really proving anything, just rattling off talking points. It was just...okay--where's the proof now?

[@MegaFrog]

No way he thought the Medic saying "ribs grow back" is a real medical fact

[@BigTMaker]

Also Medic to Archimedes: *No they don't*

[@gasgaslex_photos]

Im glad religious indoctrination isnt a general "thing" here in Australia

[@kristinehayes4885]

But we do have enough of them in power that refuse to stop religious discrimination against LGBTIQ people etc.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. There's an abundance of Catholic/Christian schools that are often more desirable by even secular parents due to their resourcing, plus a growing number of Islamic schools. Australia is responsible for creating and exporting Hillsong and its spinoffs and copycats like Bethel.

[@ry2402]

People like this existing is real life is terrifying.

[@stoney2732]

15:19 Is an excellent example of why theists like Antonio are almost impossible to have a conversation with, let alone try to get through to. Forest states, "Stars are millions of times bigger" Yet somehow Antonio heard millions of miles AWAY. Which yes they are, but that was not what Forest said. This type of disconnect frustrates me.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

The smallest stars mass needs to be 80 times the mass of our solar systems largest planet Jupiter. To put it in perspective, the red dot on Jupiter where the storm has been raging for hundreds of years is almost twice the size of Earth. Ain't no stars capable of falling to earth, we would be obliterated outright if a star were ever to even come close to earth.

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

The only way religious people can continue to believe their nonsense is to not listen to the truth and preach it’s not even there.

[@Skeptic-eo8fz]

A non scientist trying to argue that a scientist is wrong about science. Wow.

[@nelsoncherrier3855]

"Look it up!" "Bitch, I don't need to!"

[@amtlpaul]

For this story to even be remotely plausible in a literal sense, anyone with any knowledge of science would have to believe that the way things work wasn't how they worked 'in the beginning', and that for some reason God decided to change it while leaving no evidence of doing so. For example, one would have to believe that the genetic problems that would arise from a whole population coming from just two people, with all the incest that would entail, simply weren't an issue then.

[@Specialeffecks]

@amtlpaul I think we are the group of people that DID think a bit harder about the implications...we're called atheists. The others are not interested. The benefit they seek from their religion does not require it be verifiably true.

[@jasonhendricks1496]

They didn't eat fruit they ate false knowledge called the bible.

[@paulgemme6056]

The suffering of this world either draws you to God/Jesus Christ or pushes you further away. Because we have a free will we choose to believe or not believe. Unbelief is the only reason a soul goes to hell. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of sin. The sins of the whole world. We either except the free gift of eternal life - to know him or we say no thank you and die in our sins and go to hell. The choice is ours. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@jasonhendricks1496]

@@paulgemme6056 lol

[@nealjroberts4050]

I just want to advise my fellow theists that just because we're both theists it doesn't mean you'll get a free pass getting either atheism nor science wrong. No matter how hard you misrepresent, deflect, or outright lie. I'm sorry that upsets you but I'm under no obligation to defend either your ignorance nor your dishonesty just because I happen to have beliefs.

[@vishouscat]

When he said that stars actually aren't far away from Earth and are actually in our sky, I genuinely believe this guy might have been a troll, I find it really hard to believe that there are people this dumb in the world

[@joshsheridan9511]

I take it you've never talked to a flat earther?

[@vishouscat]

@@joshsheridan9511 good point 😭

[@Scanner9631]

@@joshsheridan9511 I take it you've never talked to a flat earther? In real life I have never talked to someone who let me know that they were supporters of the flat earth. 😇

[@franciscosustek7249]

Flattards try really hard...

[@zepheriah5294]

@@Scanner9631 I've talked to plenty. They're out there, and a lot of them are unapolegetic about their ridiculous, unscientific notions.

[@CalinoFG]

It is unbelievable how blinded these people have become!

[@starfishsystems]

Literally as written. Hmm. Oh oh oh. I have a question. I've been dying for the right moment to ask it. We're you there?

[@emilywyatt9340]

Can you actually prove this fable actually happened? Prove its not a copy of a Ugaritic or Mesopotamian myth. We need eyewitness accounts and sworn affidavits.

[@awesomesause]

"The only bone you can lose and it comes back" Did this dude confuse ribs with baby teeth?

[@brianharris7243]

The Xtian 'were you there?' is not the gotcha they think it is- were you there when your god supposedly made the universe?

[@presidentskroob]

What they’re trying to do is equate science as another religion. It’s a pathetic last ditch attempt to give their terrible arguments and beliefs more validity by basically going “well y’all didn’t see the Big Bang happen, so how you can say it wasn’t god?”

[@emilywyatt9340]

We're THEY there? How do they know what really happened? All they have is claims cooked up decades later.

[@brandonng2883]

The point is to make it seems like the interlocutor is arguing based on faith and then they can too use faith. Then, theists will equate atheist's science book as holy scripture and point at how it was changed throughout due to wrongful information. Theists' book, however, is unerring to them and it successfully prophesied many incidents showing that no human is capable of such. By doing that, their faith is backed by higher power and atheists having false faith in science is ridiculous. That is why they think their faith is far substantiated than atheists

[@soulcrewblue8629]

This caller is beyond willfully ignorant, then that begs the question what lies beyond willfully ignorant?..The religious.

[@Jcs57]

Arrogantly ignorant and proud of it is the gold standard of theism.

[@samuelschick8813]

First thing religion has to do is kill critical thinking in it's followers. Otherwise the whole fairytale falls apart.

[@verko5292]

Science proved stars fall on Earth out of sky. Got it.

[@perks6292]

Gotta love the people who wants to keep us in the metaphorical caves

[@drziggyabdelmalak1439]

I actually don't think we should be insulting Cave man. I think he was hellova more intelligent than these religious nutters!

[@markireland1162]

this guy was speaking like he was in a real hurry to spit out his nonsense...

[@mmoreno7137]

Ben Shapiro worshiper. Gish gallop faster and farther and you win.

[@samuelschick8813]

Antonio strikes me as the kind of guy who never stops. At BBQs, parties, camping, conventions or any other gathering/setting it's non stop God spewing forth from his mouth.

[@IamValak-j9e]

these christians are like children in the way they think,

[@drziggyabdelmalak1439]

Thing is...the DON'T think! Thet are brainwashed parrots.

[@dylanjones268]

The scoffing, laughing and irritated responses also shows that they are more arrogant than the people they call arrogant.

[@Scanner9631]

@@dylanjones268 I saw a video of Dawkins and (pre fall) Ted Haggard where Dawkins admitted he didn't absolutely KNOW there was no god. Haggard's response? You don't know, I do know, so DON'T BE ARROGANT. He couldn't see that he was too arrogant to understand that his BELIEF was not KNOWLEDGE. Dawkins admission showed that he did understand. Haggard never knew how arrogant he was being. Poor thing. 😇

[@emilywyatt9340]

That's why their Jesus wants us to be like children. Accept whatever they're told and obey without questions or thinking for themselves. Same as they call us sheep.

[@Scanner9631]

@@emilywyatt9340 Pastor (now Apostle) Greg Locke makes a big thing about how HE isn't a sheep but a goat. Makes me laugh as he is supposed to be part of the flock of Jesus and the goat is more connected with Satan.

[@Mr_Porter]

Every time someone pulls the ol' sharpshooter fallacy, it’s like listening to nails on a chalkboard. They’re so locked into their flawed logic that no matter how many objections are raised, it’s like we’re speaking a different language-straight in one ear, zooming right out the other. J-Mike broke down the problem with this guy’s argument in detail, but when he hit him with 12:57 "Do you see what I mean?"-nope, dude just kept going. And that last bit? Where he tried to use their answer to "what does theoretically mean?" Oh man, it was peak cringe. I don’t get it-why do theists do this? The second their weak ass arguments are shredded to pieces, they get all in their feelings. But instead of just gracefully accepting the L, they scramble for one last “gotcha” moment, as if they’re whispering “checkmate, atheists” on the way out. It’s sad... like watching someone trip and pretend it was part of their dance routine.

[@lotanerve]

How the hell would they be able to comprehend what a god was saying to them? But on a side note...RIBS...now I'm hungry.

[@dhwyll]

Regarding the preamble: “I was only following orders” is not a defense. Even in the military, you have a duty and obligation to disobey unlawful orders. Regarding ribs and Adam and Eve: Yes, ribs can regenerate. So what? “Do I think it’s a coincidence” that the story of the creation of Eve from the rib (traditionally) of Adam uses a bone that can regenerate in mammals? Yes. After all, the rib regenerates in *ADAM.* It’s not like you can take a rib out of someone and regrow a person from the rib. The reasons that ribs can regenerate in humans is due to the presence of certain cells in the periosteum and the perichondrium. The periosteum surrounds every bone and contains osteoblasts, which are the cells that can grow bone. It’s why if you break a bone, you can set it and the bones will “knit” back together to form a single bone. The perichondrium contains stem cells that drive the regeneration of the rib. That is, osteoblasts form bone, but you have a lot of different shapes of bone. The stem cells help to drive that formation of bone specifically into a rib bone as opposed to just generalized growth of bone. Due to the rich blood supply surrounding the ribs along with these cells in this environment, they are particularly well-suited for regeneration as opposed to other bones. Other bones don’t have these advantages, though there are some known instances where the bones of the fingertips have regenerated. All that said, part of the reason I say it’s coincidence is that the word used to describe the creation of Eve is more directly translated as “side.” While there are many good linguistic reasons to translate it as “rib,” I bring this up because there is something else in the human body that is much better at regeneration and is also in the “side”: The liver. You can remove up to 90% of the liver and it will regenerate itself. So why is the caller fixated on the rib when the liver is a much more likely candidate? But notice, this is falling for the assumption: That there is some scientific basis for the idea of being able to create an entirely new human from a body part of another. In neither case does a regenerating rib or liver result in a new human. Again, the rib regrows in the *HOST* body and only regrows a rib. You can transplant the bone somewhere else (rib bone is routinely used in plastic surgeries) and it will grow as bone. The rib doesn’t create a new person. You can transplant a lobe of a liver into a new person and it will grow to a full-sized liver and the liver that remains in the host will also regenerate itself, but in neither case you get a person. You just get liver. So yes, ribs (and liver) can regenerate. What does that have to do with anything? Regarding dust: “Dust” isn’t a thing in and of itself. “Dust” is just a fine powdery substance and what it consists of depends entirely on what has been powdered. Grind the starch of wheat into a powder and the resulting “dust” is made up of starch. Grind talc into a powder and the resulting “dust” is made up of hydrated magnesium silicate. Grind the grains of sand on a beach into a powder and the resulting “dust” is made up of silicon dioxide…unless you’re at a black sand beach where it will be iron oxide and iron titanium oxide…unless it’s a lava black sand beach where the “dust” will include even more stuff like alumina, calcium oxide, magnesium oxide, etc. But in the end, since humans are made from atoms that are present upon the earth, how is it surprising to see that the atoms that make up a human would be present in the minerals that are found in the crust of the earth? After all, humans get their atoms from the food they eat and when you trace it back, you find that those atoms eventually come from plants taking those atoms out of the soil. A plant takes minerals from the earth and uses them to build its body. Animals eat the plants and use the atoms in the plants to build their bodies. So of course the atomic structure of humans is going to reflect the composition of the “dust of the earth.” What would be astounding is if it didn’t. Regarding the flood: It is topologically impossible to flood the earth. About 97% of the total water on earth is in the oceans. Another couple percent can be found in the lakes, rivers, and ice. Only about 0.001% of the water on the earth is in the atmosphere as vapor. If all the water in the atmosphere were to condense, it would only cover the earth with about an inch of water…which would immediately run into the ocean (assuming none of it were to be absorbed by the ground), leaving pretty much all the dry land we see today. In order to flood the earth, you need to put water on top of the water that already exists. The radius of the earth is approximately 4000 miles to sea level. The height of Mt. Everest is another 5.5 miles above that. Thus, to flood the earth, you would need a shell of water with an inner radius of 4000 miles and an outer radius of 4005 miles. That comes out to about 1 billion cubic miles. But, there’s only about 330 million cubic miles of water on the earth. It would take three times as much water as all the water on the earth to completely flood it. There simply isn’t enough water. It is topologically impossible to flood the planet. Regarding “you have to believe in something”: No, you don’t. It really is that simple. There is no need to believe in anything. “I don’t know” is a rational response.

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

Antonio is the Poster Child for Dunning-Kruger...a (very) little knowledge is a dangerous thing

[@dogwalker666]

Dust and Dirt and Soil are different things.

[@puckerings]

In some contexts, yes. In other contexts dust and dirt are synonymous. Don't pretend context doesn't matter.

[@dogwalker666]

@@puckerings Oh I am not pretending context doesn't matter, I was pointing out that he could not possibly know the exact composition, Dust generally in a household can be mostly human and pet detritus, Dirt is what you tread in! Soil is a complex organic mineral mixture we put plants into,

[@OeHomestead]

I do believe the story of Adam and Eve, as well as the story about Noah, was lifted from old summerian texts.

[@mikefetterman6782]

A lizards tail, once regrown is always off color, shorter, crooked, and basically an ugly stub replacing the original. It is not just like it was.

[@tehspamgozehere]

This call hurts my head. Well done being patient with this one. I don't think I'd have been able to resist saying "So, you think stars fall out of the sky.. Have you ever seen one do that?" when he asked if we've ever seen a star billions of miles away etc and asked "You ever been out dere to see dat?" Augh. Different standards of evidence irks me.

[@Tumbledweeb]

I don't think this caller knows that stars are actually suns.

[@VanHalenIsolated]

“I’m going to throw out a bunch of junk evidence about an obviously fake story and then quickly push to move on without the hosts responding.” Come on Antonio, really? Did you really think you were going to get away with that?

[@queuecee]

Is a story of a donkey talking a fake story? Doesn't it make sense that a god will give a donkey the power to speak? In the story: 1. The god sends an angel of death to kill the donkey and its owner. 2. Only the donkey can see the angel of God waiting in the middle of the road to kill them (because the angel couldn't just go directly to the owner for some reason). 3. The donkey stops and the owner gets mad since he can't see the angel that the donkey sees. 4. The owner gets mad and beats the donkey. 5. God thinks that's unfair so gives the donkey the power to speak so that the donkey can complain. THIS is what's in the Bible. And yet, Christians don't think the Bible is a book of fairy tales. This is despite us having a fairy tale about a talking donkey who's a friend of an ogre.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

The scientific method means never having to accept coincidences as evidence of the supernatural.

[@brantsonoverton1367]

Sorry, but there's no possibility that any part of nature could produce life (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).

[@thecloneguyz]

If you can't repeat something then it's not real

[@bobwilkinson2008]

@@brantsonoverton1367 And yet it happened. And we know we started as very primitive life.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

@@thecloneguyz yet the minute abiogenesis is repeated, Xians will be immediately outraged that scientists are playing god & will try to outlaw further research. Tails you lose, heads I win.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

@@brantsonoverton1367 Perhaps it will calm christians to know that biochemists, around the world, studying abiogenesis today, are repeatedly & deliberately trying to disprove this ridiculous idea that life came from inorganic molecules containing carbon & water combining into larger biochemicals & forming long chains of the main biochemicals necessary for life. And when someone does, they will get rich & win the Nobel prize in every science field. So don’t fear believers, scientists are working full time to undermine that distaste idea of life forming from non-life, or abiogenesis. But so far, the results all continue to support the model, so the research continues.

[@Punch8721]

Adam and Eve had three sons. Where did the next generation come from?

[@joshsheridan9511]

Incest.

[@Andre-zw5kl]

And yet humanity doesn't suffer from any of the problems related to inbreeding. The most easy way to debunk this story in my opinion

[@jamesarnette1394]

The Bible forgot to mention those aliens..

[@LudwigFeuerbach-uf7ri]

normal biblical inbreeding. just like after the mass drowning.

[@riffhammeron]

I've heard them explain this by saying that although Adam and Eve were the first people, they weren't the only people. Of course this goes against the spirit of the story.

[@williambeckett6336]

I knew this was going to be stupid the moment they said "Alabama."

[@Childfree334]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Although to be fair, you can find stupid anywhere.

[@magnetiktrax]

@@Childfree334 true but there are degrees of stupid, and Alabama is very hot, many many degrees.

[@Profecks34]

Forrest's blank stare as he says, "Gravity's everywhere in the universe" 😂😂😂

[@buzzwerd8093]

The sun is a star....

[@callac]

Why that kind of believer thinks that yelling all the time makes their argument better?

[@PriestApostate]

They learned it from their Bible.

[@brandonng2883]

THE KIND WHO TYPE IN CAPSLOCK THAT CONTAINS NO SUBSTANCE Empty vessel makes the loudest noise

[@mrfester42]

You can't tell this guy to "do some research on that and then call us back" and expect to make any headway with him. Most people don't have a clue how to do productive research on anything.

[@davidhand9721]

He keeps saying "process of elimination" but not using that at all.

[@Marc010]

Science proves beyond a doubt that there was a talking snake or donkey. Doesn't it? Hello?

[@tiltingwindmill]

This was my immediate thought, too.

[@MrCanis4]

“Just look it up”. Where, in the Bible? 😂😂😂

[@AXKfUN9m]

Antonio is donkey like and he talks, sorta.

[@kirklarson4536]

I like the theory that Adam's "rib" is a euphemism for a baculum, a penile bone. Ancient herders would have known about them from slaughtering animals and likely made up a story to explain why humans don't have one.

[@brianjohnston3707]

Why am I paying so much for my spare ribs in barbecue sauce 🤔 I'm having a word with my local Chinese takeaway tonight...

[@eenie1234]

Before we knew the difference, meteors were confused with stars. We had no idea of the size of a star or that our own Sun is a star

[@cyberspinosaur1145]

I have 17 snakes, and not one of them have ever offered me an apple

[@johnrap7203]

Can any of them talk? 😁

[@ryvercardn3387]

I think your snakes are holding out on you....

[@cyberspinosaur1145]

@@johnrap7203 I don't think many of them know they're alive most of the time 🤣

[@cyberspinosaur1145]

@@ryvercardn3387 I think so too

[@rizzorizzo2311]

Dude is eliminating everything that is not his preconceived outcome.

[@charlestownsend9280]

Got to love when someone who believes in magic argues about biology with someone who has studied and has qualifications in biology. Religion makes people confident enough to talk complete nonsense and think that they're right.

[@Scanner9631]

Then they jump to the chemistry of dust and then to astronomy. If you know enough to debunk their "data" in one field they just keep jumping fields till they find one you don't know and when you can't debunk them there it is PROOF of their beliefs. So sad and deceitful.

[@tahlia2368]

The dirt being made of stuff like us would point more towards evolution than a God

[@VerdeDrums]

Im starting to think people like this physically don’t have the ability to comprehend words with more than 3 syllables. These people have less than grade school levels of scientific/actual literacy when it comes to defending their core beliefs. When they spit out their pre packaged word salad of vaguely scientific sounding terminology that they themselves don’t know the meaning of, Forest and Mike assume more of these callers intelligence than is warranted. You have to start from step ZERO. Talking to these people like they know what “colloquial” means when they misuse the term ‘theory’ guarantees that your point goes over their head without internalizing any concepts you tried to convey. Engaging with theist arguments for a large chunk of my life, and how little they’ve changed, taught me just how predictable human behavior is; if you grow up in a cult that bludgeons away at your sense of critical thinking from the day you’re able to understand spoken language, then it’s not at all surprising that these same people grow up to be easily afraid, conspiratorial, and fundamentally uncurious people that repeat obviously untrue statements without a second thought. Sometimes it’s not that complicated, sometimes people are just lost.

[@dancedecker]

3? Two's pushing it. Lol.

[@rfisher89]

Forrest is the best man. He can cite exactly how and why things in the universe work and theists can’t respond to real information.

[@keith.anthony.infinity.h]

This man’s accent sounds like my high school which is hilarious. Haha 🤣

[@robbyroba]

Then God set them up for failure if we are taking the story as is taken

[@richardbrinkerhoff]

I've read many times that Eve being made from a rib from Adam is an incorrect translation of the original Hebrew.

[@artemisnite]

I think I was EIGHT when I first asked how Cain found a wife in a foreign land. 😂

[@Leith_Crowther]

Cool

[@stonemaze9925]

Confirmation bias 101 with this caller.

[@DarknessLPs]

The moment he started shouting "I understand" was a very clear indication that he did not, in fact, understand. He just realized that he wasn't going to 'win' the argument because his evidence was bad.

[@robertvirnig638]

One would expect the human body would be made up of the same stuff as the available material to make it. It would be more miraculous if we were made up of really rare elements.

[@jimster7277]

Caller must have skipped school from age 5. Doesn't he know that the sun is a star?????

[@jaredscott367]

As a veteran, this guys sucks. We fight for our brothers in arms. We follow orders because that's what makes a good fighting force. But in the end, we fight for the guy next to us

[@snowflakemelter1172]

True, but as another veteran you are responsible for your actions in life you can't pretend that just because you followed orders you are innocent .

[@myjizzureye]

This poor guy does not know the word theory is a homonym.

[@simond.455]

Words having different meanings is not an option for bible literalists. 🤷‍♀

[@justincredible.]

Several civilizations lived through the period of the supposed flood and never even mentioned it

[@garys1266]

There also isn't enough water volume on the planet to submerge all of the land mass.

[@lepidoptera9337]

@@garys1266 But you can notice that the water miracles in the bible keep decreasing in size and significance. First god parts the waters of the universe. Then he drowns a planet. Next he parts a small sea and by the end, in the NT, we are talking about a man walking on a smallish lake and turning a few gallons of water to wine. It's the incredibly shrining Mr. God of Jewish mythology on full exhibit. By the end they didn't even have the energy to make up the big lies, they could only serve up small ones.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

​@@garys1266 Even if there was, there's still no proof that it went everywhere.

[@paulcontursi5982]

The willful ignorance is crushing!

[@AtamMardes]

There was no Adam & Eve or a first human. Asking the question "Who was the first human?" is as absurd as asking "How old were you when you were growing up?", or "Who was the first person to fully speak French?".

[@flyguyry1]

Huh?