Camille Paglia 1992 interview

Dear Camille,
we're still waiting for your debate with
a) Naomi Wolf
b) Gloria Steinem
c) Slavoj Zizek

[@briancollins9361]

My jaw is hitting the floor, I feel like this interview could have happened yesterday, but it was 30 years ago. The message still stands

[@tyrone05]

Because the truth will cut through it all. I don't agree with everything but she is on it

[@neige4221]

People don’t change over the centuries. We will always have kind people, liars, hot heads, cowards, stupid people, and on and on it goes….

[@lilylin5643]

Wow she looks gorgeous

[@johnbeckman8916]

She is very sexy in a profound way. I mean that she is smart, logical, strong, confident, bold yet gracious and engaging. She transcends pop culture orthodoxy on female sexual attractiveness.

[@thedolphin5428]

Wrong. She IS GORGEOUS, inwardly and outwardly!

[@thediggler5614]

Wrong! You ARE a dipshit inside and out! 🖕🖕🖕

[@sarrok85]

@@thediggler5614 Denying reality as obvious as gravity is a sign of a weak mind. Slink back to whatever irrelevant corner of planet earth you come from and spare humanity your idiocies.

[@Nihilism110]

@Sad u know she fine fuck outta here

[@MegaTrubaduren]

Paglia without the "ok" thing? I'm confused and scared.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

I don't know if it's m'kay or not xd

[@alvareo92]

I'm wondering if she adopted that after seeing her fellow aries Tarantino say it all the time

[@TheAnhedonicOne]

Ok? Ok? Ok? HEPNEHEBEBLEBENL-

[@meganconry6751]

Brilliant!!!!

[@saucedupbat]

@@TheAnhedonicOne HAHAHAHHAHAA

[@herbspencer4332]

Camille was the first Anti-PC academic; long before Jordan Peterson.

[@psyclotronxx3083]

She's 20 years older than JP!

[@theexpert758]

She was just praising the drag queens. I'm all set.

[@glitchyrhythm6749]

I think Jordan Peterson was just on the brink of teaching at Harvard around the time of this interview. So your claim doesn't sound accurate. She just was recognized by MSM first. Peterson said the same thing for like 30 years before he got literal global attention around 2016

[@rottenaudiobooks2310]

She's still around. I'm in the process of reading all her books now. It's a lot, but she's got tons of interesting insights.

[@jorgepalma6074]

I just watched a video of them together and it seems they get along pretty well.

[@KenTeel]

I think that she has the Italian ego...... No shortage of self esteem, but at the same time optimisitic, and encouraging, and engaged with life and the things that she has a passion for. Interestingly watching this interview, I got the feeling that because of her manner of speech, and her facial expressions, that she felt a bit intimidated being there at the table (In a classroom she's been on her own turf.) She appeared quite defensive. Charlie figured that out, and tried to put her at ease. Charlie has empathy for his guests, and truly was a gracious host. His questions were really good, too. I love listening to Camille talk. She has some unique conclusions. She is fascinating, even if I disagree with her. Lots of what she says is true, and enlightening. She's a one of a kind. Psychologically, I think that Camile resonates to aggresivenes, and contrarian positions. She has little tolerance for phoniness in people. She likes the aggresiveness of males, and the self reliance of many males, but she resents capitulation. She kind of de facto, wants to be one of the boys.

[@joannamortreux1]

what a very good summation!

[@chanimarie6753]

Camille, my kind of feminist! Street smart feminism over feminazi all day everyday! The old gal is still as sharp as she was here with Charlie Rose. Camille Paglia is a phenom to the enth degree. Let the street smart feminist revolution begin!

[@eugenijusdolgovas9278]

She's no more phenom, than Ben Shapiro is. Both very smart and quick thinkers, who have done a lot for humanity, but no, they're no phenoms.

[@stymiepop62]

Everyone gives her a hard way to go because she speaks so quickly. Explanation: She thinks quickly. Bravo to her! Try to keep up!

[@oppothumbs1]

Charlie Rose is a clown. I like her and agree with her a lot but she is not beyond criticism. This is what a famous writer wrote of her book Sexual Personae. "The novelist John Updike wrote that Sexual Personae "feels less a survey than a curiously ornate harangue. Her percussive style-one short declarative sentence after another-eventually wearies the reader; her diction functions not so much to elicit the secrets of books as to hammer them into submission... The weary reader longs for the mercy of a qualification, a doubt, a hesitation; there is little sense, in her uncompanionable prose, of exploration occurring before our eyes, of tentative motions of thought reflected in a complex syntax."

[@oppothumbs1]

I haven't read her but listening to her Updike's (no pun intented) criticism seems justified. Sometimes she declares everything and explains little of the process of how she got there. One feels that some of what see says skips the explanation and logic of how she got to her point, but of course, it might be there but I'm not educated enough. It's difficult to know if her single mindedness and focus on her idea that the world is a war between order and disorder, beauty and decadence etc etc is true. Wikipedia explains and I see some of Paglia's points that society airbrushes, sanitizes the decadence of art and misses the point of great paintings, literature, poetry (Emily Dickinson as an example). But she may take it too far once in a while. She's so bold and so positive and with that may come less introspection.

[@Hugatree1]

I remember this interview, I was blown away by her beauty and intelligence. Every single word she says is 100% right on and relevant today. Camille is still a force of nature and the epitome of feminine and feminist energy. Love her!

[@KR-nv3ru]

Her facial expressions!! 👌😂 She's amazing in the way she communicates her point, with words and gestures.

[@KR-nv3ru]

I no longer like Paglia. She's disgusting. She misrepresents herself.

[@shychameleon]

K R Disagree with you on this one.

[@firouz4296]

That is what Italians do!

[@DHU11]

@@KR-nv3ru Yeah, she is a massive hypocrite who contradicts herself OFTEN. I would say like 90% of her appeal is that she exudes confidence and has a very infectiously eccentric personality. She is a character. People like characters. I enjoy watching Camille because of her deft oratory skills and her whimsy, but I still disagree with probably maybe like over 80% of stuff she says.

[@neige4221]

Love her. She is authentic, which is a rarity these days.

[@john5150.]

Wow. I can't believe this. It is December 1, 2019 as I write this comment here in my home. This lady, Camille Paglia, I have only just discovered today. I came to her from Jordan Peterson. She is so grounded, so bold, intelligent, confident, virtuous, and sensible. This is the kind of character we should all strive to be. Not victims, not coddled infants. Free thought and free speech is the highest article of being human. Her words resonate today as much as they did in the nineties. Her message is the kind of message everyone in my generation must hear today.

[@firouz4296]

Welcome home! You are late to the party though!

[@tedbaxter5234]

She gets better with time - love to listen to her speak!

[@spikeep6141]

*Here is a Woman to Contend With.*

[@NelsonClick]

Camille's ideas seem timeless here. Charlie Rose's response to them is very timely. I'm watching this in 2018. This was a long time ago for me. Lord knows how much I've changed since then. I honestly couldn't even grasp what Camille was saying back then. Now I can.

[@criztu]

Her energy is feminine through and through. She's not accepted by lesbians, because she's not a lesbian! She decided she's a lesbian, because she couldn't find a man to conquer her. Because look at her! This babe hasn't worked a single day in her life! She clearly wants a man with monies. But men with monies, go for beautiful women! And she's got nothing to offer when it comes to beauty! Ofcourse, beauty is on the inside, but that's just something ugly people say..

[@DainBramaged00]

Camille Paglia has been amazingly consistent over the years. What she says here could be applied perfectly to the current fad of women waiting 30 years to complain about supposed sexual harassment. And in recent interviews she is still saying the same things.

[@arockpcb1347]

I agree. I remember her then. Her first book was a tidal wave and then the establishment put the lid back on her. Probably the only feminist I ever agreed with.

[@NelsonClick]

@@arockpcb1347 Do you know who now I see as a direct descendant of Camille's "combatant" ethic demonstrated here so deftly? This is not politically motivated when I say Kellyanne Conway. This is women's power. Which is fast, verbal and morally immediate. I've seen Conway fearlessly dismantle a gaggle of hostile reporters and reduce them all to bits. Amusingly I say that the women who CAN do this have the biggest dick in the room.

[@Carlos559Caps]

it so much worse now....

[@AB-bt9eb]

Love Camile. Magnificent thinker!

[@wolfwind1]

Incredible. She is brilliant. If she had been listened to, as she should have been, we wouldn't be in the ridiculous mess we are in today.

[@witheringliberal2794]

Kinda ironic Charlie Rose himself got taken down for vague sexual harassment accusations about 30 years after this.

[@voyowee]

Original thinker who was immensely courageous. Back in the early 1990s at the height of the first PC era, she'd happily walk into a auditorium full of jeering activists and rip them to shreds. Her super power was her knowlege -- activists could never do anything to her. Steinem and Sontag's attempt to wound her was purely trying to deny (ludicrously) that they weren't aware of her. She's smart and interesting, which is what public intellectuals should be. This impulse to be a part of a tribe and only support people you believe in totally is a characteristic of small minds.

[@shawnchristopherwhite3271]

I nominate Camille Paglia as General Manager of the universe!

[@efleishermedia]

Camille sounds so haughty today when she says that she was 25 years ahead of her time. Yet here she is. Laying it down almost 30 years ago. So she's actually being modest hahaha God I love her confidence, her passion, and go figure, she's an Aries. I am also Aries. I relate to her obsession and hard headedness so freakin much

[@mackturner1505]

Haha I had a feeling she was an Aries! It's my rising and I love her too

[@acrylicqualia]

I'm quite sure she's referring to the horoscope in terms of the Greco-Roman archetype rather than personality as a tool. She was born on the 2nd of April.

[@mayanksharma3651]

@@acrylicqualia it's clearly a butthurt troll or a radical feminist. Don't waste your time, talking sense into them. Even jf they see their mistake, they'd never accept it.

[@marshalmcdonald7476]

What a great woman.

[@Dentropolis]

In 1992 Camille says ”This male bashing that has been going on for the last 20 years has to stop” . So she is referencing 1972 almost 50 years ago! Over 50 years of males bashing! Do we have to leave it to good, intelligent and courageous women like Camille Paglia? Men have to start standing up for what is right or G-d help us all!

[@Tamarocker88]

Men have practically no support to stand up currently. Everywhere men are bashed, told they are the problem, degraded, told they are toxic, told women are perfect and men are the problem. When a man can't so much as say "Hello" to a woman without being labeled a misogynist or rapist, there's only two real options: Give up and walk away, or take to the extremes to turn the tables. I can't imagine seeing a simple "stand up" or a mere push back... it's either going to be an explosive backlash or men will walk away from society and let it burn (as is currently occurring with men swearing off relationships and walking away from marriage and society).

[@Rhodiac]

Im 28 and my generation of mates all feel like we are the bad guys in the story. Only now some are realising it's bullshitting and the others are just depressed

[@design7054]

Yes. Whenever someone tells says "It's just 3rd wave feminism, 2nd wave was fine!", tell them to read some history. The same goes for 1st wave. Feminism has always been insane because women's biology hasn't changed.

[@mayanksharma3651]

The problem is how exactly are you going to stand up? Have you ever argued with a radical feminist? They literally talk over you, shout at you, and every other uncivilized behavior you can think of. That's the problem with fighting or arguing with women, a woman will punch you without a thought and stand there like nothing happened because she knows that you can't hit her back. The regulating factor (threat of imminent violence) that motivates men to solve arguments amongst themselves is absent in women. So to be brief, yes you can stand up to women, but they'll just shout over you, pepper spray you, assault you or if she's crazy enough, just falsely accuse you.

[@dotheyfloat9961]

@@mayanksharma3651 The act of standing up against a woman in is itself a loss from the start. By standing up to them you are conceding that they have some kind of power for you to stand up against, and that in itself robs you of your masculinity. The whole thing is a strange and unnatural situation, I don't have any immediate solutions off the top of my head.

[@per-antonlinder4408]

She has enormous confidence! Really inspiring!

[@rackedbound1648]

Camille doesn’t mince words.

[@DisIsaStickUp]

This conversation could be taking place today (it is) Camille's intellect is formidable.

[@mirandac8712]

Paglia's dream of the 21st century *GOD IF ONLY*

[@LucSeacroftOFFICIAL]

i think it's still gonna happen. the status quo isn't working

[@thepwitch]

Her dream was to legalize child pornography and allow men to molest children in order to return to the "height of Western civilization".

[@TheUrbanAesthete]

"No one has thought about nature for 20 years in contemporary feminism" absolutely brilliant and accurate point

[@thepwitch]

Yes they did; she merely ignores it and creates broad categorizations.

[@nilo4339]

Camille Paglia gives feminism a good name. The best kind. Said by a man. tired of all the PC garbage and rampant hysteria and victimology of 2018

[@psyclotronxx3083]

There are more and more of us pushing back. Don't give up.

[@Lala-cw7ez]

No. She defends pedophilia and trafficking. I don't think every women is a victim under the "patriarchy" but she is just taking it too far. She's also celebrity obsessed.

[@augustgreig9420]

@@Lala-cw7ez Can you provide me a link directly to her defending sex trafficking and child sexual abuse? She's not celebrity obsessed, she's literally a scholar who studies pop culture, because it's the predominant form of culture in the US. And she's also a patriot.

[@nuclearpiez2986]

@Ben Shapiro didn't she later change her mind about that?

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@augustgreig9420 She is celebrity obsessed okayyy? xd But in the best way possible. She did give money to NAMBLA is the early 90s, because she supported men having sex with boys, but later on she said she changed her mind, saying something like "I thought men were more resilient" or that they aren't anymore. Something like that. The sex trafficking thing has to be BS. I would still listen to her justification though xd

[@Mysmile321]

What a professional journalist! He is logical, not biased, sincerely interested. Not only Camille is interesting, but the journalist also was a discovery for me. And he has a sense of humour. I do not see such these days

[@alvareo92]

The great Charlie Rose! The days when a high-profile TV interviewer like him could talk to controversial people at all. Now it's Joe Rogan and....?

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Camille is and has always been a mighty warrior blasting through the bromides and laughable platitudes of contemporary PC dogma and ideology. Long may she harangue! Charlie Rose was a good interviewer, but his career and reputation ended in disgrace because (it is alleged) he used his position/fame to play some real office games with the ladies. Ironic, because in so many interviews across the spectrum he used to decry sexism and for all intents and purposes promoted himself as a doctrinarian liberal in that particular sphere. Beware of pedestals and those they uphold.

[@Mmm1222_]

As a Libra, a polar opposite of an Aries, I absolutely LOVE and ADMIRE Aries women and their fierce character.

[@salmachouqair2763]

It’s ironic she’s also a libra rising !

[@alvareo92]

@@salmachouqair2763 u can see that on her hair

[@riceboybebop7018]

Fook ur stars

[@thedolphin5428]

She is SO FIERCE about the "shoddy" Yale and Harvard feminists!!! Go Camille!

[@bigtux11]

Fierce indeed but she's also fair - she even calls Woolf and her contemporaries "intelligent women", even though she absolutely lambasts their feminism & education.

[@Stephen-Benton]

"This male bashing that's been occurring for the last 20 years has to stop." Wow, she was saying that back in 1992, and continues to say it today, 2020. The message is consistent.

[@duncefunce1513]

One thing I've noticed about Paglia is for all the super-fast talking and tangential thinking, she listens extremely well and rarely if ever interrupts.

[@caedmonsdream]

As ever, respect and gratitude for all the work Paglia has done. Feminism needs more Paglia!!!

[@MORE1500]

Hurricane Camille !!!

[@SparkyFinch]

Fantastic content, thanks for posting

[@haillobster7154]

'I'm not going away.' Please, my lady, never leave us alone. 😢

[@nette9836]

She has an incredible mind. Her way of being able to explain her position is flawless and shows such a complicated and well-versed disposition.

[@neige4221]

I also appreciate her passion for what she speaks about.

[@suzyanderson7395]

Star struck!❤

[@hugomesquita3325]

YES KZbin YES, you are finally starting to understand my taste... at last

[@DHU11]

This is really some comedy gold. I love Sontag with all my heart but 17:10 onwards is so damned funny. Paglia’s whimsy is just… it’s excellent

[@jasonsmith8629]

One thing I wish Camille would do is speak faster.

[@holygoos]

At 2.45. She's talking about Anita Hill. Now fast forward to 2018 and the Kavanaugh Hearings.

[@Hugatree1]

holygoos exactly what I was thinking!

[@populisttrope9385]

If you crank the volume during the comercial break you can hear Charlie trying to set her up with another woman backstage.

[@TheAnhedonicOne]

She was the whistleblower on the downfall of modern feminism, I wish it actually improved after this interview instead of spiraling ever-downward.

[@jvm-tv]

If this is feminism then I'm a feminist.

[@Eversca]

I weep for the world that could have been, had Paglia won the war for Feminism.

[@giovannimoreno7468]

these hunks going all the way to Greek art

[@antonlampe2272]

This is 28 years ago. Its like we learnt nothing

[@piggypoo]

Imagine how fast she'll speak in 2025

[@mycroftholmes7379]

9:40 Camille Paglia said "okay"

[@mattr2961]

Does anyone find her really attractive in this interview? Dare I say sexy? I’ve only seen her current interviews. She is something else. You know Charlie’s got a little chub hidden beneath that table. Lol nothing but love. But crazy how these problems have only expanded and gotten more twisted.

[@baldarmstrong6532]

She’s a very sexy lady.

[@mattyjmar10]

Same! Her intellect and unbridled pace and then she ends it with a raised eyebrow.... sexy!

[@Tamarocker88]

I had the same response. Her intelligence paired with her banter, snark, and charisma make her a VERY attractive woman.

[@robertg420]

Just found a pristine copy of 'Sex, Art, and American Culture' in the corner of a small thrift store for $0.99, Christmas came early!

[@SJM6791]

Paglia has something that very few people on the left today have. She has principles and integrity. Everything she is saying in this 1992 interview are the same things she says today. You have to respect her regardless of your political ideology.

[@thepwitch]

Paglia was not then nor now a leftist.

[@jntj3007]

Beautiful, brainy, assertive woman.

[@ergaomnes6221]

she was right then and precisely right now! On the spot!

[@chanimarie6753]

So ironic, I just finished writing my paper on Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morality, and I'm currently reading de Beauvoir, The Second Sex. I'm on the rite path.

[@miedqy0]

i bought Second Sex a couple of days ago, looking forward to read it.

[@stallonegodinho6296]

Read 'the manipulted Man' by Esther vilar. It's a great book .

[@felawes]

Remarkable that this is from 1992.

[@JuanBritez]

Omg, I have just realized that Rupaul has the exact same speaking pattern, gestures; Rupaul has a little sexiness to his tone, though. The way they talk are so similar lol

[@nicholasbrekespere3616]

I was thinking how much her tone and rhythms reminds me of Thomas Sowell...

[@ccdavis94303]

An explosively brilliant mind. Love listening to her. Constantly stuns me into nodding. Gotta love her.

[@hectorgarza5205]

I love this woman. God bless her. Completely rational and realistic.

[@tek5692]

Camille is one of the last purist academics/intillectuals. No fucks given. Give 'em hell, Camille!

[@overlex]

Now THERE’S a strong woman! 😍 mouthy and brainy!

[@elvansavkli3806]

oh she is aries like .

[@aaronc4899]

I've been watching her lectures from the 2010s, and thinking how she's getting older. However, I realized she's Italian, so she's going to live forever. I heard her name back in the 90s, but I never got it. If I had listened to this interview in 1992, I would have been completely puzzled. Now, I'm around her age at the time of the interview, and she makes plenty of sense.

[@DaughtersofOrion]

GOD DAMN SHE IS ON FIRE. I LOVE THIS WOMAN

[@designthinkingwithgian]

A fine example of a strong, fierce woman.

[@myfriendisaac]

I absolutely love her energy! A very attractive mind & individual ♈️💜

[@erinbroderick4272]

She is absolutely correct- women should be aiming for the great heights that men have achieved. Not pulling men down to a third rate standard of achievement due to women’s lack of historical achievement. Women should be learning from the great men of history! Women like Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, as well, but to trash male achievement or denigrate it is not the way to achievement for women

[@john5150.]

Everything she says is spot on. It's like she has just described everything about me and the way I have been living in a way I could never even acknowledge to myself.

[@regalsmartie11]

MY SPIRIT ANIMAL.

[@mgregory22]

She really makes me feel joyful when I listen to her. I've had Sexual Personae on my shelf for years and I'm kicking myself for not reading it sooner than now. It is a masterpiece!

[@possiblepilotdeviation5791]

She looks like a character from the Golden Girls.

[@peretzo]

I love Camille. And she looks very good here. Great hair and makup.

[@ergaomnes6221]

outstanding!

[@zaydeshaddox7015]

It's pretty obvious that anyone who doesn't like her is just intimidated by her. Hell, I'M intimidated by her but I also adore her. She's bold and deft and classy and very astute.

[@shaneomac7566]

"if it were left to women to create civilization,we'd still be living in grass huts!"-camille paglia

[@SliszMeisterGeneral]

I wonder what she meant by that!

[@Uncompletedrecall]

@@SliszMeisterGeneral She was talking about the innate creativity of men.

[@andrewheffel3565]

What a woman! And what an interviewer!

[@dmgsoultogetherness6667]

What a powerhouse.

[@ericwilliams626]

Madonna didn't want to raise Camille's cultural awareness at her own cost or expense.

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

She's quite attractive.

[@michaelsnook1684]

CR: “Susan Sontag’s got another book out” CP: “Oh it’s a novel. It’s a very poor novel too. A dull novel.”

[@benbax5990]

"I believe in Greatness".... CP..... she´s Great....

[@cesarpisa6964]

As an Italian American Aries I can relate to Paglia 100%

[@wch7251]

Wow what an individual

[@phoenixdoom]

This is pure gold!

[@benbax5990]

Camille Pagla....you are fantastic.......

[@caporetto90]

Che robba questa intervista

[@jonathankieranwriter]

Charlie Rose arguing on behalf of female victims of sexual pressure in the workplace.

[@marciellopez5845]

Archaic Red Scare

[@Jurassicparkatmospheres]

23:12 that didn't age well

[@chaosdream21]

Ironic considering what came to light about Charlie Rose 20 years later. Either way I love me some Camille.

[@mackturner1505]

"At a time when I was very outspoken"

[@MikeDillinger]

12:00 Turn it up! You gotta listen at 12:00 on. During the commercial break you can Camille and Charlie shooting the shit about 'sexy lesbians,' Geraldine Ferraro and how long she's gonna be in town and that she has to come back for a visit, stuff like that. Turn the volume all the way up at the first commercial break!

[@matiastoro1667]

From 12:02 to 14:34 I think you can actually faintly hear what they talked about during commercials, I think something about Susan Sontag first, called her a hypocrite, but can't understand the rest.

[@theeyesofanimmigrant4442]

How come she is not saying mmmk mmk?

[@tommylandrix6070]

"To me, gay men are ultimately more masculine than straight men." YESSS! I've been feeling this for years as a young gay male adult. Finally someone else shares my perspective.

[@kaura678]

From the gays I've been around, most are physically and essentially masculine, they are robust and agressive, therefore suitable to be military trained; but most are not culturally masculine, i.e. they're not into beer, guns mechanics, sports, etc. (not all straights are either). It is the gay colorful drag queen culture they project which causes opposition nowadays.

[@onioncrusader2191]

she was so ahead of her time

[@firouz4296]

Her obsession with Madonna in the 90ies 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 An interview with her and Madonna never happened. Camille would read her to filth today!

[@MrJingres]

Listen to Cassandra!

[@anotsustark6667]

Wow!