Can America and China Avoid a Collision?

Kishore Mahbubani, an expert on Asian and world affairs who spent many years in Singapore’s diplomatic service, gives the annual George Ball Lecture at Columbia SIPA.
Mahbubani is currently a senior advisor (for university and global relations) and professor in the practice of public policy at the National University of Singapore, where he served from 2004 to 2017 as dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy.
Event date: February 21, 2018.

[@TaTa-ce1kq]

As usual Pro KM is presenting an interesting and well supported factual talk. Thanks so much. Always a pleasure to listen to Prof.

[@heroking5659]

I have to say the lecture is extrordinarily amazing!!! I believe all the audients understand the lecture well enough, but almost no one agree with the views of the lecture, the fundamental reason is that all the American would like USA keep the position of the no. 1 FOR EVER, even though they know it is impossible.

[@stephenlock7236]

Only those who posted poorly informed questions.

[@ericyeo805]

Prof Kishore Mahbubani is the man especially, when Asia matters. US politicians and policy makers should not be arrogant but humble to learn from him. A very good lecture from him. Well done.

[@debralegorreta1375]

Right. Western oligarchs are going to listen from Mahbubani, a dark-skinned man.

[@richardtknees]

Eric yeo....you are nothing but a Chinese bot working for the PRC. I checked out your profile which has nothing on it. Refrain from pretending to be a real person.

[@jakebaba2149]

All knowledge is not vested in the West.

[@medialcanthus9681]

"very delicately"... Exactly. Such a diplomat, such a gentle man. Moreover calm, wise and sane.

[@vancloudguy]

Hearing the questions from the group of "learned Americans", I am highly doubtful that America and China can avoid a collision. Bravo's for Kishore' answers.

[@lixwh]

Educated or not , deep down they are all a bunch of crusades.

[@GloxGlox-nl4cd]

Absolutely, entirely a red herring discussion.

[@GloxGlox-nl4cd]

Not agreeing with a government is not the same as being prejudiced against a people. Yellow is a beautiful color, it's supposed to stand for spiritual enlightenment, so why fear that?

[@johndelong5574]

Usa bad china good.

[@debralegorreta1375]

Easy. All China has to do is ignore the fools.

[@pardeeptandon3023]

A pew poll in China showed over 80% of there population supported the policies of there government while only 30% of Americans fell the same way about there government

[@charlesqiu6190]

Pardeep Tandon agree

[@ryansampras2974]

Oh plz! polls about politics are forbidden in China. You can only read fake polls from the government. No independent polls are allowed.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

Part Only 80%? Someone screwed up.

[@dolganthecute]

@@ryansampras2974 I think he's referring to this survey done by the Pew Research Center located in Washington DC. They found that 85% of Chinese where satisfied with their government. www.businessinsider.com/pew-research-global-satisfaction-map-2014-2?r=US&IR=T

[@danielscheinhaus5210]

@@ryansampras2974 Polls can't be relied on anywhere, whether in China, the US or elsewhere. What can be relied on is expressed by people's general support and simply reason. Since China has brought some 730 million people from poverty to a middle class economic position, do you really think the Chinese people approve or disapprove of that? If you have any knowledge at all, do you know what China was like in the 1930's even before the Japanese invasion of China? Governments are supported and popular based on what they do for their people. Even the notion of democracy (meaning people's rule) is decided by what governments do for their people, so far as their people are concerned.

[@physika]

Prof Kishore raises provocative questions which the US can never fully answer 1. Can the US let China decide for themselves if they want to be a democracy ? (Freedom of choice) 2. Can the US also accept Chinese planes and ships sailing near them using their their own logic ? (Common standard)

[@davidrapalyea7727]

physica: "1. Can the US let China decide for themselves if they want to be a democracy ? (Freedom of choice) 2. Can the US also accept Chinese planes and ships sailing near them using their their own logic. We don't give a damn about any of that shit. In fact, USA and China have been supporting Chinese economic stability for a very long time. Certainly Chinese planes and ships have exactly the same same rights of passage as USA! In fact, we probably would not mind all that much Chinese "facts in the water" all over the S. China Sea. Unless of course, China decides vengeance upon ancient and recalcitrant "tributary states" before we can back slowly out of the room.

[@davidrapalyea7727]

@Jay Kim China has no need of forcing USA out of S. China because we are only there because of residual defense obligations from the 20th. Century! Further, ALL the nations in East Asia are demographically evaporating but China is a way bigger body of water. All China need do is wait as USA eventually backs slowly out of the room before anyone gets hurt.

[@nanyanguo1]

@Jay Kim firstly, it was US n not China that entered the 1950 Korean War lst . 2ndly China only entered the war when US army came up to her border in its military offensive in the korean peninsula. 3rdly China withdrew its army once it defeated the US force and drove US away from its border to where is now the Korean dmz line. NK build nuclear capability only bcos their survival has been threatened by US and they want to be in a position of strength to negotiate for the lifting of economic sanctions which US and its allies have ganged up to impose on their country for decades. Lol if you believe in US narrative that they are never the bad guy and aggressor . even tho their short history shows otherwise. and China long history shows they only went to wars for self defence or protection of their borders.

[@nanyanguo1]

@Jay Kim I know the real world history better than you do. Just bcos I don't parrot the American propaganda version of world history , you think I must be a PRC subject. Lol I m not from the PRC. No country has any bloody right to start a war and bomb another country so as to impose their imperial hageamony over others . What a skullduggery twisted mind for you to think that USA can do so and others have no right to retaliate back and defend themselves against any invasion or attack.

[@nanyanguo1]

@Jay Kim really they want US around ? Wise up from your delusion. Only the self serving corrupt politicians want them around . What patriotic people want foreign influence in their country. Reality is if they have a choice , they cant wait for the day they can be truly free and totally get rid of the military presence of meddling foreign shit stirrer on their land n shore. lol

[@alliesteamc3546]

Brilliant insights, hope US leaders will listen to this speech! The choice is between fear and Love. Hopefully wisdom, Love and Truth will prevail!

[@onosnow6500]

I love Prof. Kishore Mahbubani... He explains his answer in an easy-to-understand language. A lot of us in the west still think that Chinese people hate their government and want to escape from China. But the fact is, a lot of them are going back to China because of increasing confidence in their government. Why don't we let the Chinese decide what they want? Leave them alone and stop this hate rhetoric toward China!

[@wfewd9055]

😀😃😃

[@user-ed9so2rb4k]

Most simply can't because the real reason is their fear that China will economically overtake them; never mind the fact that the average Chinese is still 5 to 10 times poorer than the West. They seem to have nightmares to see China as a nation can match the combined West, hence they dragged in Japan, South Korea and India to their side. Such an approach simply solidify the Chinese society to react more negatively to what the West say or advocate!

[@tientlam1589]

👏🌹🤝 to Prof. Kishore Mahbubani as world's political analysts in fairness of the current conflicts between 🇨🇳 and 🇺🇸 in the 21st Century's..👍💐😉..

[@twenlil]

Kishore is right that there will no war on the Korean peninsula.

[@sambotros1918]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zSc6ignq-snMU

[@tonylee6106]

at uh

[@barbersmith5151]

I've never heard a man with more facts about China than you mister. You're probably making a lot of Chineese people cry with the truth you're speaking.Every U.S.citizen should hear this man.

[@johnhenry2238]

Why a non-Chinese like u try to speak about how a lot of Chinese feel? Strange.like the muppet in the video tried so hard to be a "wise"man.

[@stanleygnoh9356]

Barber Smith ! You are absolutely right!

[@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO]

Fuck off Chinese CCP puppet shill. You are not "Barber Smith". And the picture is fake/ stolen off the internet.

[@williamstall4420]

I did. How do you feel about the CCP now? I guess he'll never answer any question about live organ harvesting, religious persecution and Uygar concentration camps.

[@JIMMY-nz1ld]

@@williamstall4420 why is only US militaries all over the world bombing? US is the biggest threat to the world peace.

[@knoore]

Amazing talk/conversation from one of the world's foremost diplomats !!

[@jp95js]

Burp.

[@truezyf]

very truth-based speech. china is not the 1st one who occupy rock&reef in south china sea. vietnam and phillipine have done that for decades, so don't play victim card now.

[@typhooonn]

Mr. Kishore Mahbubani is a extremely wise and knowledgeable diplomat an professor !

[@peterau108]

Agree, but sadly all these American elite has only one tool it has in their tool box this is using force. American imperialism is the absolute and righteous power that create and turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia.

[@mattja52]

@@peterau108 It has nothing to do with a blind eye, The American elite as you mentioned know exactly what they're doing. Helping the Saudi and Israeli in controlling their specific region of the Middle East. The U. S.-Saudi Arabia alliance is built on decades of security cooperation and strong "Business Ties" ( Exxon-Mobil ) turning a blind eye to a more assertive Saudi foreign policy ( I have to be careful of my words, I've been confronting KZbin, Community Standards ). I would like to elaborate on the Israeli part of the equation if I use the word starting with Z, I will certainly be deleted, so much for free speech.

[@dr34mlucid32]

and a shill

[@SherwinChow-cg3nw]

mattja52 go ahead what’s obvious everyone knows already that US control SA. There are US intelligence & troops stationed in Israel & SA to monitor Iranian influences in the region. In fact Israel has bombed Iranian proxies & militias in Syria & provided intelligence to US.

[@typhooonn]

@@dr34mlucid32 shill? that's Trump's role.

[@paulmaking1980]

Great talk! I respect Kishore Mahbubani.

[@helmutgroen4129]

I don't!HE LEFT MY FATHER OUT ,HERE SPOKE A DUMB MAN🦁

[@elppadiordnakerhs2867]

@@helmutgroen4129 who is your father? please do tell. How did he avoid | left out your father? It's seems like u have a personal grudge against him. Perhaps, because he spoke good things about the Chinese. If that is so, you have to evaluate yourself more. Maybe he is diabolical or some sort of double agent, but never did he come across for me, as a dump person.

[@helmutgroen4129]

@@elppadiordnakerhs2867 MY FATHER IS THIS GREAT GOD....YES I'M THE LION AND WE ARE AT THE END OF THE BOOK🦁

[@chankane]

It’s been 4yrs now, and Kishore’s words rings truer than ever.

[@Andy-P]

5 years now and China looking less likely to overtake America. Same for India. China had conflict with India and now Phillipines. Alliances are being strengthened

[@x-creator4460]

I have to admit that Kishore is teaching a lot of kids with strong ego, surprisingly with a superior command of English language.

[@johnkaupakamasua5540]

I was thinking the same too..ahahaha!

[@herta3286]

I dont usually fond of politics but Prof. Kishore "lecture" might just change that. Well done Prof. Kishore

[@benwong4648]

One of very few objective evaluation of China and the US and the underlying reason for the current conflict between the two powers.

[@spadeysay6846]

Khisore is absolutely right. Who is America to decide for the chinese people if democracy is right for China? Would America also accept the chinese people's decision if communism is good for America?

[@orangekeita]

Great point!👍👍👍

[@nomayor1]

Well first of all, do you actually mean that a system of two parties, which sometimes exchange positions in Power, and in either case both serve blindly the 1%, is called a "democracy"? No, it is not a democracy. It is not even an oligarchy. It is Monarchy. Where the Monarchs, are the 1%. And do you actually know, that the MPs of the Communist Party ARE INDEED elected? You see, the scam that capitalism means democracy and communism means non-democracy, is exactly that, a scam. And in either case: If the university is free for our children to study or whether we have to pay 50,000 USD per year, if there is health service for everyone, if they spend trillions in invading Iraq so that PRIVATE oil companies get their hands on Iraqi oil so there is no money left for people who are in unemployment, it has nothing to do with "democracy" or "non-democracy". It has to do with what Policy you follow. And we do know very well what policy america follows.

[@meganh9460]

@@nomayor1 So in the USA, the rich influence the political party to gain control. In China, the political party gain control over the economy and get rich.......

[@nomayor1]

@@meganh9460 Really? Who said that? The same scums who were telling the western world that there are WMDs in Iraq? Let me tell you something that is actually a fact: While amerigang is busy bailing out its private banks with taxpayers' money, driving its own population deeper and deeper into debt since they can't make ends meet, while its economy is a scam revolving around banks and services, China has built a true, manufacturing-based economy and has lifted more than 350 million people out of poverty. So first try and match that, and then you talk about "political parties who gain control over the economy and get rich". I won't go into other aspects, like for example that China never sacrificed its hero servicemen, as amerigang did with the heroes of USS Liberty, in its lunatic quest to be a good muppet of the Jews.

[@sambotros1918]

@@orangekeita kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zSc6ignq-snMU

[@sayliptee]

Thank you Kishore: your discreet way of answering the questions are packed with ' hard hitting truth'' ' to unravel the locked minds of the West.

[@dr34mlucid32]

rubbish

[@kamaldeensienu9835]

Kamal Deen

[@SherwinChow-cg3nw]

DR34MLUCID an idiot is born every second! And that’s you!!!!

[@dr34mlucid32]

@@SherwinChow-cg3nw we shall see

[@x-creator4460]

Obviously 'Truths hurt'.

[@x-creator4460]

1:23:05 : "If you don't respect the convention how do you expect others to respect the convention ?" - Anyone has an answer to this ?..

[@larrylim7762]

What convention? Please see and watch Ms Amy Goodman interview General Wesley Clark on Democracy Now KZbin, See for yourself if US respect UN or any convention? Please share it to others. :)

[@stephenchan7398]

It is inevitable there will be conflict between the two worlds. The west has grown to believe through industrial revolution, maritime domination on and colonization and slavery they are entitled to rule the world. With the rise of China regaining her former dominance in Asia it makes the west very uncomfortable and nervous. In addition to its economic strength, militarily China is more than ready to asserted itself. Conflicts maybe but war is no Longer profitable. If Democracy is the end goal of political system as the West has believed, new doubt has been raised especially in view of the recent events in January 6th 2020 in the US Capital on the permanency and stability of democracy.

[@yzhang9265]

For the people who know what happened between 18th and mid-19th century, they will understand why Chinese people are so determined to be come strong in economy and military - they don't want to be ravaged and humiliated by the foreigner ever again, which I believe is a rightful and fair demand and target for any country.

[@hamidijafri]

but zhang. Claiming the backyard of other country to be chinas' own sea border is outrageous don't you think??? why not be like Admiral cheng Ho, don't be a communist china now if you wanted to work with others.

[@PradypAnand]

No country wants to be humiliated but China needs to be truthful with the rest of the world and play fairly.

[@madsam0320]

@@hamidijafri it’s China’s backyard as well. We know that South China Sea are disputed by many countries, not just with China but also among SE Asian countries as well. If China withdraw her claims, there is a very good chance wars might erupt between the smaller countries, like they have in the past. But of course, China will not do that, it’s political unpopular for the communist government to disclaim territorial that existed long before them, even Taiwan claimed S China Sea as part of China. It’s legacy of the Republic of China when they were the government of mainland China. The issue is used by some to cause frictions between China and the neighbouring countries, the same whose biggest trading partner is China. It’s not just China that has military presence in that pond, if China is as bad as the West said, they would have cleared their rivals there long ago. After all, that is what we can expect from the West if they were in that position.

[@finnmacdiarmid3250]

If COVID is proven to have originated in a lab and it’s proven that the CCP was behind the deliberate coverup and withholding of warning, then it is already too late for China. It would set China’s image back at least 50 years. America exists only because a few good men held themselves to a higher standard of virtue and freedom, something China fails to properly employ or respect. Restraint.

[@PradypAnand]

@@madsam0320 lame excuse .....

[@Love.life.ashigzoya]

Here is an honoust and straight-forward diplomat who spreads common sense .

[@debralegorreta1375]

WRTF is "common sense"? . . . whatever it is, it's probably not as common as you think.

[@jasonli7547]

The most objective and balanced view and opinion on China I have ever heard.

[@lucygilbart1921]

I wish more US government officials have your knowledge and your level of understanding of China, China has totally different culture, civilization, history, political system. China is different than US, Chinese have the right to determine their own political system and economic system. China is doing quite well for majority of it’s people, why should US and European try to change China. Democracy and freedom will come to China once they reach certain level of economy and wealth. US and European should leave China alone, don’t view China as imaginary enemy.

[@larrylim7762]

China has 1.4 billion population compared to US 330 million people, US spent $14 billion dollars for last presidential election, imagine how much money China needs to spend on every 4 years election, and most probably people will elect a popular or celebrity candidate not fit for the position than a qualified and competent one.

[@tonyturner2799]

It’s rubbish they are allies with China followed the money the businesses China have bought in America Australia Diane Andrews is under investigation already for his dealings with China it’s absolute rubbish they are no threat at all they’ve signed up for the one world government

[@tonyturner2799]

@@larrylim7762 well are Government has solved that problem once they get rid of us they will invite China to take our place that we have been selected for the New world order

[@titanhovey]

Well, if you take a look at the audience mix in that speech, you already understand something

[@Here0s0Johnny]

Chinese have the right to determine their political system? No, they don't have that right! The CCP decides, that's the problem! What a load of half-truths and paradoxical nonsense!

[@GMATveteran]

Whether the PRC becomes a democracy is largely irrelevant to US strategic calculations. They will never willingly accept a peer competitor challenging its comprehensive global hegemony, not Japan, not the former USSR, & not the PRC. Speaking of the former USSR, it's very telling how the US treats even those that attempted to convert to a western-style democracy (such as Russia) - they've systematically attempted to diminish Russian influence in the near-abroad through regime change, & systematically reduced Russia to a resource appendage. It is a fantasy to expect the US to be anything other than hostile to any power that has the potential to challenge its hegemony & offer the international community a real alternative to its domination. Furthermore, the idea that a liberal democracy is somehow "superior" to an authoritarian state is a complete myth born out of the ideological dogma of American exceptionalism. That is not to say that authoritarianism is necessarily "superior", but rather that every country needs to find a governance system that works well for itself. That said, de facto authoritarianism does have a better record of uplifting nation-states from backwardness to prosperity than the much-touted combo of democracy + open markets. In fact, every western country (including the US) was some kind of de facto oligarchy when they industrialized & developed. All of them were characterized by concentration of policy-making power among an oligarchy, oppression of minorities & working class people, & external aggression (in the form of imperialism, colonialism, or just outright ethnic cleansing in the case of the US). We've yet to see a country develop from a low-income country to a high-income country through a system of democracy & free markets. India may be the first such example in the world, but they're certainly not there yet.

[@waynet8953]

Yo've certainly studied the issue. You're right about the US government and that's why the future will be tough for them as they decline.

[@orangekeita]

One word: bully. US is a bully.

[@fusion9619]

Russia made itself a resource exporter - that had nothing to do with the US (and it's not necessarily bad anyways). Russia ended its own empire - it took the US by surprise (a pleasant surprise). If you're gonna try to lecture people on geopolitics, you should know a few things first

[@cbcluckyii4042]

@@fusion9619 and the US is sanctioning those resources. Sanctioning their ally in Germany for proceeding with Nordstream 2 pipeline. Having said that, I understand the US position. Whatever they do, there will be admirers and haters. At the end of the day, it is her duty to look out in the best interest of its 1% which in effect all of its citizens. Saudi Arabia blatantly gets away with murder on US soil on multiple occasions without repercussion because its the lesser of two evils.

[@fusion9619]

@@cbcluckyii4042 yeah I'm not a fan of sanctions... it's an over used tool that probably does more harm than good. But that pipeline is most likely going to result in a loss of security for both Germany and Ukraine... well, time will tell. Do you have links to anything about SA committing murder in the US? I'd like to know more about that, if it's true.

[@The667251]

Nine dash line, was eleven dash line, in South China Sea was claimed by China in 1946 with the support of the US. The US even gave China a war ship fleet to make it happen.

[@slee4039]

so what is the IS state department response? It's sheer hypocrisy and showed US Wicked intentions in its efforts to maintaining its imperialism

[@linkan4738]

Hi. Is there an official document proving It?

[@slee4039]

@@linkan4738 What is the point of ypur question? Why a document requied when it is history? Old maps and events and even the United Nations are quiet about this. So?

[@linkan4738]

Hi. I am interested. I can use the document to convince people in the West.

[@yellowbird1170]

@@slee4039 . The name of the ship that helped China reclaim the islands from the Japanese is available and known. But the MSM will never publish it

[@Mr-hn2bp]

Democracy should be a role model to convince rather than a hegemon to force upon others. Change should be gradual rather than sudden to allow for adaptation. Deng Xiaoping let a fraction of Chinese get rich while helping the poor to gain the means to accumulate wealth.

[@wienertoby7972]

Very informative talk

[@The667251]

Constitution of both Republic of China (ROC) and People's Republic of China (PRC) claims "this is only 'One China' ". Any claim otherwise is in violation of it's own constitution.

[@zbigniewbecker5080]

What a refreshingly optimistic take on the future of world developments with even stronger China, coming from someone so much more familiar with China and its culture than the legion of doomsayers from Washington...

[@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO]

Wow a Polish first name and German last name. Very interesting. I'm both Polish and German also.

[@sagenose1082]

Professor Mahbubani carries so much experience wisdom and foresight - we must learn all we can from such a great mind

[@dragonreborn4704]

Sir, I want to apologize to you for having a NEGATIVE VIEW when I listened to ONE of your talks😔😔🤦🏿‍♂️.. Listening to THIS one, I see that you are being basically objective with a slant towards reasonableness!!! I SALUTE YOU... Will be paying more acutely to your future comments 🙏🏿👍🏿😇💖

[@gingermintrose]

Thank you for bringing in Kishore Mahbubani. This talk is so enlightening.

[@locusatrinh2151]

You don't know what human right is. That's the right to live like you.

[@alliesteamc3546]

Excellent speech and policy recommendations for better results for all! Thank you!

[@ritaalano7929]

At 1:27 The speaker said that China should be grateful to the US for ABSORBING their SURPIUS. What surplus???????????? I remember that China was so poor that we, the Hong Kong and Macao people, had to mail food and other daily necessities to our friends and relatives in Mainland China. What surplus? It was a trade off - China providing cheap labour and the US has been enjoying the benefit of their capital and technologies.

[@KevinECahill]

The most important lecture on KZbin.

[@potkinazarmehr]

For CCP lovers

[@bingxia7351]

A very sophisticated scholar who really understands CHINESE thinking

[@peterfu529]

Prof Kishore plays key role to find assumed two big players on political Olympics competition.

[@alliesteamc3546]

Brilliant approach! It will save billions of US dollars and make the funds needed to help the unemployed, the poor, the elderly....

[@debralegorreta1375]

It is not difficult to have a brilliant alternative to US policy.

[@kkx7790]

I think no doubt that most Chinese aspire to have greater political and personal freedom but something majority of the Chinese population agree on is that it shouldn't come at the cost of stability and unity which are core Chinese tradition and values treasure very much. Another reason is that most Chinese feel that the West has weaponized "Democracy" for their own political or economic agenda as seen in many countries in the middle east or even Latin America on regime or government seen as unfavourable to the West while countries aligned with the west who have bad human rights record often go unscathed...

[@ritaalano7929]

Another reason is: DEMOCRACY does not work:- 1. democracy pitches 50% of the voters against the other 50%; 2. the intelligence and learning of the voters might not meet the need to understand what is really at stake; otherwise, people are voting according to their emotion, we all know that emotion is the cause of most misunderstanding and trouble.

[@avidmoviewatcher346]

Well stated…

[@terencedoherty7386]

@@ritaalano7929 Can you please define "...does not work?" America has gone from dirt poor farmers to among the richest people in the entire world, who enjoy the best standard of living the world has ever known, are one of the best educated peoples on the planet, and are arguably the most innovative (US innovation accounts for 35% of total innovation growth, despite the fact that the US accounts for less than 5% of world population). That trend is accompanied by a decisive decrease in violence, and violent crimes. If this is "not working," I for one want more of it. It has hardly been a problem---except, famously, in the Civil War---that democracy pitched very roughly half the voters against the other half. Out of that dialectic has invariably come real progress, not merely regime change. Children no longer have to work; this is unknown now, and so children go to school. Starvation and famine simply don't occur in the US anymore. Life expectancy is much, much longer than it was just 150 years ago.

[@ritaalano7929]

American prosperity was built on OPIUM MONEY and extorting the Qing dynasty for the Boxers Uprising. Democracy does not work because it ASSUMES that all voters have the same intelligence and understand the issues at hand rationally. Voters are NOT rational. They don't have the necessary intelligence to understand the issues at hand in depth. Democracy ends up with 51% of the voters winning, but, 49% of the voters unhappy. As a result you have a divided society. Voters vote on the promises showered over them at the time of voting. Sadly, they can vote one in but they cannot vote the person they've voted in OUT should these politicians fail to delivered what they have promised. When one groups wins, it inevitably reverses the work done by the losing group; then when the other group wins again, the reversing happens again. In other words, you lose what you have accomplished after 4 years, and you make sure the other group loses what it had accomplish under their watch. In the end, nothing is accomplished. It has taken more than 10 years for California to built part of a speed train line. It has taken India more than 20 years to build a road. Democracy does not work.

[@terencedoherty7386]

@@ritaalano7929 First of all, you have got the wrong country. The US was not involved in the Opium Wars; that was Great Britain in the first, and GB and France in the second. Second of all, 51% of happy voters is one hell of a lot better than the alternative. And besides, I've lived through many regimes of the opposite party. With just one exception, its not so bad at all. The main bother is putting up with the rhetoric on the other side, but much of this has no real effect at all. As for "in the end, nothing is accomplished," if that is so, how can you ever explain the fact that the Americans are among the richest people in the world, and that the USA absolutely dominates the world, with no rival that's even close? That doesn't sound like "nothing" to me. As for the time it takes to build a train line, I'll take that over a superfast, supercorrupt buildout of non-profitable supertrain lines that are just a drain on the GDP, or the superfast, super-corrupt, hyper-buildout of Ghost Cities that nobody will ever live in, which is the same thing: a drain on the GDP, but also adds massive real estate debt (Evergrande, just for one example) in what is essentially a Ponzi scheme that can never be repaid. You can call that "progress" if you like. But to me, not only is this all a negative GDP drain, it was built with borrowed money just to add insult to injury, and further drain the GDP. That's a lot of the reason why Chinese debt has just exploded in recent years, is accelerating, and has long ago left US debt in the dust: rampant corruption. You can have it. We don't want it, no way, no how, not now, not ever.

[@ratnabahadurgurung9850]

Excellent discussions with professor Kishor Mahbubani.

[@raymonddon8875]

kishore is smart as heck... this man just gets it!

[@stephenlock7236]

He has been very diplomatic in his handling of honest questions about China. Unless questions posted to him insult his intelligence.

[@wallylee8470]

China is comfortable being number 2 and live in peace. Terrific and honest presentation.

[@tonylee4312]

! B Bm m c. Nu7

[@willywonka4340]

Boy, this comment doesn't age well

[@FriskyPoliceman]

Not no more

[@larrylim7762]

US businessmen moved almost all factories overseas because of cheap labor costs and workers have no right to strike in China in the 90's, makes US citizens to import from their US overseas factories.

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

@@larrylim7762 @Larry Lim And you know why? Americans pretend to live the American Dream with eyes fully Open. Ordinary Americans have for years become used to live like millionaires in spacious palaces surrounded by wooded parks with Olympic size swimming pools or in apartments facing the ocean with marinas to berth their sleek yachts. Making abuse of dirt cheap products and produce manufactured by overworked and underpaid slave labourers or farmed by desperate indebted peasants ecking a living from ALL parts from the Polluted ,deforestated, perched or flooded, sterile or frigid earth all over the World . The American is Used to live on the sweet, cheap bountiful fruit of the labour, blood, sweat and tears of the les miserables of the earth . This is brought about through threats and bullying of using military force , coercion of fiscal sanctions of withholding the Almighty Dollar from a weak nation or bribing the puppet leaders to hold open the country to the exploitation of its resources, markets or cheap labour. So Middle class Americans have become indolent and are hooked on the highest of expection for the least expenditure of honest effort. The American worker has overpriced himself out of the market. Most Jobs are outsourced overseas where labour is dirt cheap, and the slave worker has no civil or human rights. The goods are labelled "Made in the USA" and Athens Chinese ship them all over the World including the USA. Americans get cheap goods and and more dollars from the phantom labour while China get the rest and make the USA more indebted. The ONLY heavy industry that the USA can surpass others in the Military Industruous Complex. They sustain this and ensure healthy sky high sales and profit by creating never ending wars all over the World, causing regime changes to place puppet satrap overseers in charge, and propping up brutal dictatorial , autocratic warlords to rule by proxy in their interests and loot for them the countrys' resources and placing them in permanent poverty and perpetual indebtedness. And now that the bankers and other elites , using the politicians and the media as their pimps and go between, have taken advantage of the covide19 emergency and martial law regime, ans by a sleight of hand have wiped out the middle class out of financial existence, living only two classes on the financial landscape. Only the TRILIONAIRES World Elites HAVE ALL, amounting to less than 1% , and the rest 99% of the World populstion HAVE NOTS, making the Non Class. The USA has been nurtured to be a consumer society..And now with the domestic demand for ordinary appliances and goods only met by overseas producers, and the heavy Industrial products made in USA are consumed only by foreign clients through the tragedy of war. Most of the American people have now become so poor that even for a typical couple working at two jobs each, on every single day of the year is not enough to make ends meet. The people of the USA no longer have a stomach or sinews for a fight with even a weak 3rd World shithole country, which can bog down the Big Bad Bully in a never ending amd senseless War. It would always be cheaper and less of a hassle to make a deal and purchase the resources required at an equitable price fair to all. This would cause no enmity but bring fraternity ,friendship , sympathy and understanding among participating nations. And put and end to enmity and destruction of War. But if the advisors to the to the Powers running the Western Civilizations think otherwise, than I on my part would gave them a piece of advice. Never Provoke China. You will come worse off. Just observe on how ALL Western countries cannot cop with any issue or crisis which has tested them for the last few years. And remember these were all during peace time. China has not invaded sny country or been on an offensive war with any other for thousands of years. But the Western countries, particularly the USA have made a business and culture of it. So the ordinary people of the Western countries are smart enough to realise tha China would not initiate a war with any of the Western countries unless absolutely provoked, or her national interests deliberately infringed . The Western countries on their part would only push the envelope as far as it would go bin confronting China with bluff military manouverings, slowing Chinese developments financial sanctions, Regime changes and invasions of countries with rare resources needed by China for her industries. And making treaties with countries surrounding China, after stoking fear of a rising Dragon which would eventually devour them, do as to hem in and embargo China to a free global navigation and easier access to the World resources. So the most the Western countries would be expected to do next to a direct Hot fire fight which could could explode into a nuclear war, In place of a 'COOLER' War with CHINA is to Provoke fights between their Proxy satrap regimes and Chinese Client states neighbouring each other to cause instability and disruption of the supply of much needed material resources to Chinese Industries.

[@badderstzi9527]

Can't help sharing an excellent comment from a Malaysian KZbinr: I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. Admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another. When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan concurred China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. But Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire. Then came the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victoria was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium. After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government: 1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free. 2. Make opium legal in China. Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French (with supports from the US), started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor. In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance (Empire of Japan, Russian Empire, British Empire (including India), France, USA, Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary). Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris. In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone. Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. But Mao’s later reign saw sufferings and deaths from famine and power struggles. Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his infamous “black-cat and white-cat” story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies has transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. It also signified the death of Communism in actually practice in China. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from. In just 30 years, the CPC have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height. For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China. Everything China does is negatively reported. They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor. They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US. They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per muslim than the US. When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices: 1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists. 2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes. China chose 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky. During the pandemic, When China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman. When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers. When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated. Western Media always have reasons to bash China. Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad and dirty things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CPC is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good. Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world. They resort to low dirty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars? When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down. The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad. China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not by looting the world. I have deep sympathy for China for all the suffering, but now I feel happy for them. China is not rising, they are going back to where they belong. Good luck China.

[@acerrome9672]

China is an Older Civilization. They learned from their many times Ups and Down, and keep coming Up and Up and Up in its Everlasting Existents. Good Luck allways to you China.

[@gooddaysharma1876]

By playing the Victim card via Long winded historical colonial wrongs, Xi WolfWarriors can’t justify their arrogant & rogue bully behaviour against neighbours like India,Japan,SouthKorea, Taiwan,Vietnam, Bhutan & foul mouth other equally great civilisations.What China expects from US & EU why should it deny to china Neighbours.

[@60-second-HACKS]

Wonderful.

[@chinkang3566]

CCP can’t claim the credit of the whole China account. Remember ccp took over the country by barbaric acts. I am a Chinese educated Malaysian.

[@TheSiapajadeh]

There is never a real reason for any collision, all countries work together to strengthen global economy and common wealth of each country's inhabitants. This will make the world a better and more livable place. Harmony is the key word

[@grandwonder5858]

Everything you said is the philosophy of the Chinese people who always seek win/win solutions. But at the same time everything you said is exactly the sort of thing that the US government has been trying to eliminate since the US's philosophy is one that is based on the fact that the winner should take all and that there can only be one winner in any dealing with your counterpart. That's why the US always believes China's gains could only be a loss for itself. The great American zero-sum doctrine.

[@nizicike759]

this man is a god of political,only respect

[@alliesteamc3546]

Awesome and very helpful speech! Thank you so much!

[@sylvesterfong9275]

👍👍👍 An excellent and enlightening lecture - realistic, frank, factual and truthful.

[@faithhope3236]

You are absolutely WRONG. This man lies without shame!!

[@sylvesterfong9275]

@@faithhope3236 That is a bad joke !

[@Jeffrey2323]

Prof Kishore is talking to a room of people refusing to accept new ideas while sticking to their own.

[@jaafarjaidin752]

Kuch kuch hotahe

[@Amadeus8484]

Its the MO of Imperialists: Double Down and find Scapegoats. They are pissed off that he isn't just asking "what can we do to destroy China?"

[@yurigansmith]

i could listen to Kishore Mahbubani all day long.

[@osmanjerry3272]

Very fair and objective comment on Chinese suppression. The west do not change their view with the time and situation that has changed. Suppression is a negative tone. Control would be correct. So depends on how you view it. Control should be aggressive if needed to.

[@thisiskevin1000]

Social stability matters.

[@osmanjerry3272]

Democracy also should accept defeat, if it comes.

[@larrylim7762]

Imagine how much money needed to spend on election every 4 years in China? China has 1.4 billion people, last November US spent $14 billion for their last presidential election, and any incompetent candidate can be elected to US oval office.

[@chrismaloney2108]

Never surrender never accept defeat. Fight until the last man. I'd rather die a free man fighting for human rights and freedoms then live on my knees to an authoritarian dictator mass surveillance corrupt bull crap state. Besides communism always destroys itself

[@osmanjerry3272]

@@chrismaloney2108 1. Never surrender never accept defeat - a bad sportsman. 2. Fight until the last man - a selfish general. 3. Rather die a free man … - wish you luck, but define human rights and freedom correctly before dying for an unworthy cause. 4. Kneel to an authoritarian dictator… - you never suspected authoritarian dictator can be just as successful? 5. Communism always destroys itself - where is the logic? Btw communism no longer exists in its true form, the name in cpc is a historical legion. In short things changes, circumstances changes, ways of doing things changes. Formerly there were only small sundry shops but now all big malls, and they said very soon these malls are going to close down because of shops on line.

[@syedmaricar9946]

Western blindness not only towards China/india but other rising states and people too.

[@PatrickWTang]

Bbc z

[@piotrd.4850]

They were and would have been inconsequential - had West not collapsed on itself. From the inside.

[@michael511128]

In this discussion, It would make a lot more sense to think in terms of the richest individuals in the US than thinking the US as a country. The richest individuals in the US, especially the old monies, more or less control the government. There is no problem with ordinary people in the US with China. For the richest the problem is the imminent threat of not being able to stay on top as kings in the near future in the world arena. They are feeling it and are frustrated. Their so called allies, or servants, more and more quit and went serve China. Maybe in the next decade their granddaughters would start marrying Chinese boys and make babies that will be officially made in China and send them electronic birthday cards in Chinese! Kishore's comment that the US can accept to be No.2 comfortably could make more sense when we think in terms of the rich and powerful individuals, not country.

[@grandwonder5858]

It is definitely the rich that own the US government and they are the ones that dislike China the most. That's why they are spreading their hate and frustration for China on all of the American media --- to convince the rest of the American people to join them in going against China. However, at the same time they are also the reason why so many American companies moved their business operations into China --- to take advantage of the cheap labor in China and take advantage of the highly educated Chinese population that do great works for them all at a great price!

[@charliechanbkk195308]

Columbia SIPA, the Annual George Ball Lecture. My thanks to Mr Mahbubani for his outstanding knowledge on World Affairs and Diplomacy. I have learned some of the US-China Trade Issues, one of them is a huge sum trade deficit to China without talking about what Export items the US gains from China on a yearly basis. We always hear that China has a Trade Surplus of over $370billions year on year, but always fail to address What the US has in fact made from China on a yearly basis, i.e., the invisible or indirect Trade such as US Multi-National Corps, like McDonald, Starbucks.., US Insurance Businesses, US Manufacturings based in China, and so on and on that account for an Estimate $250billions. Therefore China is in fact not earned as much as or over $370billions as stated each of the Conversation or Talk shows in public and this is what I would like to reveal to the American public.

[@brianbrecknock9625]

The Chinese also by billions in american treasury bonds; which keeps the USA dysfunctional Govt afloat

[@normastafford9716]

Robots will re😊lace the labor force in china ::

[@normastafford9716]

TheUSA will fail to make this world a one world order as espoused by the Illuminati possibly because of the sudden growth of china , which is not a democracy ::

[@pardeeptandon3023]

In Democracy one person has one vote . Will USA accept this concept of voting in say UN and not that of one nation has one vote? If this happens then west will have only 14% of the voting power in UN and no VETO power.

[@robertroberts2795]

fuck the UN. itis a waste of money

[@robertroberts2795]

here is what about the UN. fuck it. the U.S. need to pull out and take its money with it.

[@meganh9460]

Sure, if we pay the same % as the South Sudan.

[@meganh9460]

Also, its funny you said the USA voting concept..... some more popular states have more power than those who don't, with the amount of votes for the President and the amount of congressman they have. You picked a rather bad example.

[@robertroberts2795]

first off a democracy doesnt protect the rights of the minority. Only a republic does that. The United states is a republic and veto power is a must to protect the rights of a minority.

[@zardlucky8557]

This professor is awesome; he almost know everything about China.

[@alliesteamc3546]

If we went through the chaos and insanity of China’s history of democratic experiments since 1911, and we are responsible to care for four times the population we have in America, and we are responsible so we must prioritize and focus on achieving business outcomes of providing food, housing and necessities, we may gain some insights to China...When basic necessities have been achieved for many, more people will enjoy and value freedom, choice, wisdom and inner peace. Infinite patience may becthe key to better US-China relations.

[@verranhunter5108]

The statement by Mr Kishore that democracy is one party State is rather subjective and I think Mr Kishore knows better than that he just wanted to nice to the West.which is better is a matter of options, depending the particular country or region.

[@debralegorreta1375]

Verran, is the US duopoly more democratic? How would you know? You've been living under a corporate feudal state your whole life and didn't know it.

[@bridgeroad9758]

This is a wise man, I changed my view towards India and India Americans because of him.

[@NoohCee]

He is not from India. He is from Singapore.

[@grandwonder5858]

@@NoohCee He's Indian descent and that's why he has nothing but great things to say about India.

[@zyang03]

Great talk~

[@willng247]

I disagreed with the fact US has been generous with China and I think Kishore was being polite with his answer on the question . Truth be told the US has exploited China’s cheap labour, the political dictatorship in controlling it’s work force benefited by US corporations.

[@dugowf766]

US policy towards China was based firstly on geopolitics (splitting China from USSR), in the Kissinger era and then based on pure economics (cheap labour and then the large middle class market) after the 90s

[@PradypAnand]

"exploit" really? then how did China become an 11 trillion $$ economy? ofcourse by lies and deceits .....right?

[@scotarg1973]

The fact that China are positioned to be the world's largest economic power suggests there was benefits on both sides. The master plan backfired, if your theory is correct.

[@edwinvargas7969]

@@scotarg1973 Probably will go down in the history books as the biggest mistake the US ever made, all for cheap labor and its antagonism against communism.

[@scotarg1973]

@@edwinvargas7969 Well, I don't think China should be left out of the world trade organisation. It right that they were allowed the opportunity to open for business. I guess it was underestimated as to how fast and how much their economy would grow. America and the west shot themselves in the foot by underestimating this and leaving it too late to stop it. The best thing to do now is just accept it and make the most by keeping the peace.

[@wonderland2016]

Prof Kishore made a very good point. hundreds of thousands of Chinese citizen travel abroad and back. that is a fact that would make those "experts" who claim Chinese govenment widely commited human rights abuses so so so weak. Chinese has changed their mindset and open to any sort of reforms. what is unchanged is the American people. they still being driven by their idiology. I don't mean their idiology is good or bad, but it is definately evil to force their idiology on us. We have every rights not wanting to follow their multi-party and election-style political system. We may, one day, make a change ourselvies if we see a better model that fits us better, but more likey not their shit and corrupted system.

[@simonsimon2888]

Exposing the Chinese to the world outside of the 1949 foreign policy of 'neither in nor out'. Not until 30 years later in 1979, Deng Xiaopin opens up 'the flood-gate' of China to the world...this is where and when the present story begins...Chinese stepping on foreign soils

[@talking_folk]

Kishore Mahbubani is a very bright scholar and made his points. However, some ideas are difficult to mould into academia and still impact a lot. One of these is the genetic disorder the westerners have. They build a system, exploits it to the highest and then jump to another leaving others in disadvantage. Now they are playing the peace game (not for their enimies), but might throw it away any time until it no longer serves their purpose. A collision might be induced by the west I think. They might change the basic rules on which we count on to make sure the west survive the confrontation. So academic equations might not work if China is not that smart.

[@orangekeita]

China is prepared both way. If US wants to talk, we are happy to talk with mutual respect. If US wants to fight, China is ready to defend itself with increasing military presence in the region.

[@yaelyahir3626]

instaBlaster...

[@Didmasela]

@@orangekeita I absolutely agree with your perspectives.

[@debralegorreta1375]

Peace game? The US? The US is a nation of John Waynes . . . They puff themselves up to look good on TV but have never been in a real fight. They threaten and let others do their fighting, then take credit should they happen to win, as happen in WW2.

[@duinay3]

It's time for the UN to talk about the US as a threat to world peace

[@guynemercorgat689]

I really enjoy the talk of the gentleman's I found it was a good lectures to the American and the world as a hole the talk were frank and straight to the point congratulation once more

[@vincentliu496]

The crystallization of great wisdom

[@hohohohoho262]

This speech is underrated.

[@bullshitvendor]

a better question would be "can the u.s. help itself from crashing into china?"

[@saraRawshan]

Really enjoyed this amazing and insightful conversation.

[@suchaith]

You are the voice of the planet earth.

[@jlkh03]

Excellent discussion and Q&A period! I really enjoyed the questions from the audience and Kishore's responses. However, a few things that strike me as lacking in maturity are some of the audience (and facilitator's) remarks about giving China some space, creating a global system that ties in China's interests, and China following (or not) an international rules-based order vs creating its own set of rules. The idea of giving China some space is cute. Pretty cute indeed. To be very frank, though, it's a silly notion that betrays a sense of skepticism and disbelief of China's current position in the world. And maybe even a sense of entitlement that China's current position and future prospects are at the magnanimity of US policy makers. This really isn't true and the possibility of it ever being true grows smaller each new day. China is already shaping a global system that ties in its interests. As all other nations great and small have been doing. That's just how the world works. All actors shape a global system to meet its interests. The key question - the tough-headed, coldly calculating, and even dispassionate question - US policy makers and academics should ask is: does China meeting its interests align with, positively correlate with or even contribute to other global actors meeting their interests? And the answer, from my perspective, is yes. The development of middle-income, educated, working classes across Asia, Africa, the Muslim world, the non-Western world at large (or 85% of humanity), is linked to the development of China for the past 30 years and the future decades ahead. Some Chinese may be upset by some pessimistic perspectives in some parts of the West, but very honestly they can't be bothered because they've got work to do. In international discussions, rules are often made that favour the world's strongest, richest and most powerful leading actors because only they have what it takes to enforce the rules and they often have the best thinkers. The sooner US academics understand this reality, the sooner they can realize that criticisms of China creating its own set of rules are mired in hypocrisy. That's simply how international rules come to be made at first and then evolve later. International rules are not a Western-led Godsend on Earth to last until the end of time. If they ever were, it only could have been true in the 18-20th centuries and only partially. China, like any other nation great and small, will write international rules and it will not - and does not intended to - do so alone. But rest assured it will write international rules.

[@yuey0602]

@Jay Kim South Koreans like YOU Are the reason. Wish a peaceful world forever.

[@yuey0602]

@Jay Kim I dont like/ hate DPRK too! they are a great danger to NE China. but DPRK and South Korean are buffer area between Russia China and US, its a political issue rather than a simple moral issue. and why do you think DPRK is still there? Nucear weapon IS one of the reasons, just like why communist China wasnt invaded by KTM from taiwan or USSR or USA. i prefer DPRK to disappear too, its just not that simple.

[@spadeysay6846]

What eloquence. And how very practical. And that view is also exactly my view, only you did put it down so much better.

[@mourenx4777]

Do you mean flying along their coast is giving them enough space of living?

[@HeresMyView]

China don't need space provided to them. China's policy is non-intervention n shared economic prosperity. With rising prosperity, other nations can raise their middle class, increase educated population, and rising awareness. That’s what the US fears. The world challenges the US domination. China does not interfere. Awareness n educated population will challenge the US empire.

[@vancloudguy]

Who is this Jerry(?) Guy?! What an answer from Kishore!

[@Vijitpornkul]

Great talk. Positively.

[@Vijitpornkul]

Pls.send to Thump.

[@angteckhuat8209]

5 years passed. We now know with hindsight who is correct. Prof Kishore is so sharp as always. Those in the audience ought to apologise for their wrong judgements

[@Po-village-chief]

Kishore delivered a great lecture and was completely convincing in his data and logic. But clearly there were those in the audience who were not to be convinced either way. He was dealing with smart people but still people who felt moral superiority (which had zero empirical evidence) and are closet racist. Frankly it was a waste of breath to sway these people. The only way to deal with them is through hard power, something bullies recognise and respect. Talking to hypocrites delivers no results. China should stand its ground and be strong and firm and crush the western hegemon, not just for itself but for the rest of the non western world too.

[@libangalad8041]

Hua Oliver Bin What you said is completely logical and correct. China's rise is not only beneficial to china but also to the rest of non western people on earth. We want to see a world not dominated by the western man but rather a world where all ethnicities and cultures are equal.

[@libangalad8041]

What the US is doing is just a white supremism on a global scale. That is what it is. Dominating the "other", blocking the development of the non white, so that the "other" will always be dependent and subservient to the white societies.

[@Luvurenemy]

@@libangalad8041 Not all cultures are equal. Each individual has a different cultural preference.

[@johnliu2373]

Excellent lecture! But I don't think that woman professor got the idea in this lecture by the way she's asking her question.

[@vincentliu496]

Great orators and prophets

[@janicechan6427]

As Long the US doesn't tell China what to do and stop acting like mafia, a collision can be avoided.

[@700horses]

Because China doesn't like a mafia? LOL

[@renomontenegro7862]

Like telling China, "Don't invade Taiwan"?

[@sam-nf9kz]

like telling china ' to stop genocide and stop censoring the everyone with freedom of speech and though' smh.

[@yasircarrim3962]

No person has reached the moon, never mind walking on it. That’s just ego dreaming of America.

[@pumkok]

Very good explanations. Thank you.

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

Thank you🙏 for your support

[@michael511128]

Regarding US naval patrolling near Chinese waters, I don't agree that what the US do today China will do tomorrow. The reason for the US patrolling is to inflict tensions so that the US Congress could pass more bills on military spending to enrich some corporate America dudes. If China just leave them alone and not react it is the worst outcome for them like a loss on the investment, like Gorbachev said he did the worst thing to the US by leaving them with no enemies. And China has a million more important things to do than to patrol in empty oceans.

[@ememeable]

I did enjoy the conversation however I now know that our definitions are out of date This is why we now comment that theory does not meet reality We still pursue our resolutions in the same manner despite the changes in circumstances For example the definition of classical communism is different from practical communism today or modern communism We need to be correct in our definitions if we are to realize a practical answer China today is far removed from the classical definition of communism Traditional culture and political affiliation is key to success China are fortunate to have found the right mix Africa for example are still to find the right mix The definition of success is also key to understanding future cultural aspirations or directions This is to mention the balance between money and morals The true measure of success Demand and supply Who should be responsible for policing demand and supply This is the true question Should it be left to the USA Should it be left to the former Soviet union Should it be left to China This is to say that we are all guilty of one atrocity or the other This is only a summary of a deeper critical analysis Ignorance is bliss however I know we are missing a moderate balance thus weighing on each other towards provocation Sincerely Ejike Ememe Ba Hons Degree administration

[@Luvurenemy]

Fascinating to listen to this presentation/Q&A post COVID-19, post Hong Kong, post Evergrande, post China Winter Olympics/Ukraine Invasion.

[@Gunslinger65]

Yes!

[@lowcc7602]

US draws first blood.

[@risingsun2251]

The U.S. should outdo China by competence and not by threats, arm twisting and wars. The U.S. - China competition and not confrontation will benefit the humanity. Ball is in the U.S. court but we know, as usual, the U.S. is leading the humanity to a disaster. The U.S. must change course, grow up, play by the rules as China did to win and not put up sanctions, initiate cold war and end up in a hot war. China has not been waging wars but working hard. It has won markets and not destroyed countries after countries. It has not been monopolizing the drugs trade while teaching morality. The U.S. should show us it can atleast win back through competence. If China could do it in unfavourable America dominated world, why can't America do it under it's own reign and rules.

[@x-creator4460]

The US is coming to reality that she cannot compete against China on an even ground. At the current speed of development China will obviously surpass the US soon, and both sides know that the time is on China's side. The US is trying to find every possible way to prevent that from happening. That's why there is so much Anti-China antics these days.

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@alliesteamc3546]

Dr. David R. Hawkins MD and PhD provided an important insight that when falsehood and truth are given equal time, social order and stability are undermined. Certain incorrect assumptions do not contribute tobbetter relations.

[@mymvds]

Jerry kohn ask the Taiwan island issue. He might not aware of there was a three communiques between China and USA before re-establish diplomatic relationships, one of the main pillar in the communiques is the USA recognize there is one China in the world and Taiwan island is part of that China.

[@debralegorreta1375]

"Taiwan is part of China" fails to recognize the will of the Taiwan people. Or does that even matter?

[@drivenhome7840]

Kishore describes the globe as an Utopia. However, until Dec 2019. Now we're in something so terrible that it will soon make the Great Depression look enviable. China is up and running and seems like their economy will recover first, unless they are heavy hit with the 2nd wave of Covid-19 that renders them in catastrophe. With this power balance shifted, China may become the world power.

[@mohammedkhan3338]

Thank You for holding such seminars.

[@rusdayatiidrus5401]

Regarding the multi faceted n interlocking problems among countries in the world, for now no country has a reason whatsoever to disturb the present stability n balance of power as one shift creates another n another n another up to a point where a resettlement or a new equilibrium is impossible to achieve which then leads to conflicts n inevitably wars.

[@fannybirot2362]

I admire this man, a real peace defender!

[@stevea8566]

Not me I don't trust the words of this man because I don't think he likes or cares for the U.S at all.

[@fannybirot2362]

@ SteveA The US is the world's richest country, what does the US still want more? kishore cares about the whole Asia and the whole world. What he wants is world peace!