Can An AM2-Era Cooler Tame The Beast??

[@NnighTmarezZ19]

THis is the quality content I subscribe for.. Gordon dropping F bombs, old tech, Adam being excellent with the horizontals and verticals. Great work overall!

[@AlfinoFr]

2:00 If I recall athlon x2 has feature called cool n quiet to unboost the cpu.

[@necroflounder]

cool n quiet barely worked, and many turned it off as it was more trouble than it was worth, only a few frequencies it would jump between, very crude.

[@josh0156]

AMD's decision to go with this new CPU thermal behavior is slowly starting to make sense. I think it will end up being a big advantage for their chips over the next several generations.

[@teamtechworked8217]

7:07 Gordon's cable management at its finest!

[@nexusyang4832]

Dude!!! This was AWESOME!!!! You guys need to do more silly breakneck vs retro hardware mashups like this!!!!!

[@drewnewby]

I've been working on PCs since the IBM 5160, and have boards/components from socket 3 to present, so this is exactly the sort of Frankenstein experiment I love to see. I have a Z390 in a Thermaltake Tsunami from 2004, so that "vintage" logo puts a smile on my face. Knowing the AM4/5 mount difference, I spent the first half of the video like I was watching a horror movie, but instead of screaming "don't go in there", I was yelling "don't turn it on, there's no contact".

[@drewnewby]

@@pcworld Side note, that 939 board could use a recap, if its being kept for any particular reason. Those two next the the Via chip look to be nearing rupture, more victims of the capacitor plague.

[@teamtechworked8217]

I liked the 2005 blog style camera work. Took me back to the old days of KZbin before every creator was a media company.

[@SB-pf5rc]

i didn't expect this to be good content, but it was great! had fun following along.

[@yashsookoo6589]

So many memories looking at this! Also had a socket 939 with a Nvidia chipset. Used to play games with my onboard GPU. It used 128MB shared from the system RAM. Also was the first to offer PCI express. All the Intel stuff at the time had AGP GPU slots

[@nexusyang4832]

No doubt!! That nforce chipset….man!!! Where is the all-in-wonder boys at????

[@PauloRAgostinho]

@@nexusyang4832 I still use one of my A8N-SLI with (Nforce 4 SLI) to play XP Games.

[@pete2097]

Love it! I had that CPU in a shuttle ITX.... Arr memories....

[@jeffsmith6659]

Love this guys. I'm a bit burnt out on 4090/4080 b.s. from every outlet. Thank you so much for this content. P.S. Outrage Pony t-shirt order confirmed. Thanks again!

[@jeffsmith6659]

@@pcworld FYI...the term "outrage pony" is now a thing in the office, so....thanks? Ha ha.

[@Lurker-dk8jk]

The nForce chipsets were not IGPs (Integrated Graphics Processors). At least the ones I had were not. They were dedicated Northbridge/Southbridge chips for memory controllers and motherboard I/O. nForce3 worked well for me using an AGP-connected GPU from ATI. Unfortunately, nForce4 caused excessive noise on the PCIe bus in some situations. The nForce4 SLI chipset didn't work so well for me. Both the nForce3 and nForce4 SLI chipsets I had included integrated RAID controllers. They were not robust.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Yeah, most of the Intel-based ones, I believe did not have graphics. This one did however.

[@PauloRAgostinho]

There were normal northbridges and iGP northbridges in the Nforce 4 series. Intel NForce were only non-iGP.

[@TechWithSean]

That fan just needs a green wire, then it could technically be "RGB" lol

[@kellysalyer1972]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I had that same setup for myself and my customer builds!

[@jazzochannel]

Whoa! 939?! I had a PC based on that socket in 2002. A local internet-cafe had shut down and sold off everything. I bought one of their gaming rigs. Good times.

[@jazzochannel]

or was it 2005? i forget..

[@RuruFIN]

939 came in 2004. Athlon 64 didn't even exist in 2002, the first ones came in 2003 on 754 and 940 sockets.

[@vitormoreno1244]

With a new fan would performed even better, nice video, thank you for the nostalgia.

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

the south bridge and north bridge are now integrated into the cpu package most setups. The chipsets are basically i/o controllers and multiplexors which split up lanes accordingly .

[@santinojoshuatorre1695]

This was absolutely great content! I mean, while other channels did mention the fact that AM4 and AM5 brackets were different, you guys actually, unintentionally managed to test using AM4 brackets on an AM5 board. The initial intent got me interested and i was listening to it while working, but that twist with the brackets made me just stop and give the video my undivided attention.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Clearly we knew what we were doing then! (not really). It kinda tells you how often people use the stock cooler mounts these days.

[@santinojoshuatorre1695]

@@FakeGordonMahUng hah! too true. i've got a baggie with like 10+ pairs.

[@tek_lynx4225]

You should hunt down a old SWIFTECH MCX 4000 or one of its brothers from the P4\A64 era. No heatpipes, Pin design you don't see today, and ONE huge heavy chunk of a copper base that was heavy enough to bend mobos. It'd need to be adapted to fit on modern sockets they used their own backplate and socket 939 and those backplates including the ref one were only mounted with 2 holes not the 4 today, but it would be very interesting to see how well one does today, with a good fan attached to it.

[@cali_cal]

I have one sitting here :D

[@brettcombs774]

Pretty insane. Awesome goofing around guys. Keep it up.

[@kelownatechkid]

Killing it with this video! Great stuff. Love the classic thermaltake fan lol, I put a usb version in the av cabinet

[@josephkelly4893]

Gordon in his element, love the run down

[@thereallantesh]

I really like the concept of this video, but there are better old coolers you could try. Maybe try taking one of the old larger style Zalman coolers with more heat pipes, and place it on one of the new AMD 65 watt chips. I'll bet that would work perfectly with no throttling.

[@juliuswee1189]

How about cooling it with the AIO cooler that came with the FX9590?

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

That would be funny. We still have the eval unit seeded at the time somewhere. Cool story: AMD seeded FX9590 parts, CLC and board for reviews then. Around the Ryzen launch, I dig up the FX9590, updated the bios on that board--and it would no longer support the FX9590.

[@niyazcool1]

Now a days this channel content quality is 🔥❤️✌️

[@michaelklander2496]

Good info, for any build. If you get a hard crash and temps are up check the fan and if your paste is properly spreading.

[@shieldtablet942]

This is even older, this is socket 939 with DDR 400. It's written 939 next to the socket and the RAM chips is also a give away. AM2 coolers should be fine, I have one similar to this at AM4 socket. But 939 socket mount allowed wider cooler and may not fit right despite clipping fine.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

You know, I'm showing the Athlon X2 6000+ as an AM2 part.

[@rednammoc]

@@FakeGordonMahUng If I read the part number correctly (ADA4600DAA5CD) it's not the "Athlon X2 6000+" but one of the Socket 939 versions of the "Athlon 64 X2 4600+" which came in several variants across s939 (90nm) and AM2 (90 & 65nm). Yours would have been a 110W TDP chip. I still have a 4600+ (AM2) knocking around somewhere, last powered on who knows when.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

@@rednammoc Imma have top check next time in the office--with a magnifying glass.

[@gorky_vk]

S939 and am2 use same coolers. I used same cooler on s754 sempron, s939 athlom X2 and later with X3 phenom. All coolers except ones for socket A can be mounted on am5. Not that you should do that ofc 😉

[@shieldtablet942]

@@FakeGordonMahUng You can check Asus website, there is no mistake there. And there are many other 939 things that owners of those platforms would notice. Still a cool video, thanks. You could maybe try this with the AMD AM2 cooler. That one works fine in AM4 and is quite similar to the one in the video.

[@TheHangarHobbit]

Sorry I'm late to the party but I just wanted to say thanks for the memories, wow N-Force...hadn't thought of N-Force in years, so good back in the day!

[@LightSoundGate]

Cooler manufacturers hate this one simple trick.

[@fasteddie5174]

What the hell is that 2008 Cooler Master case Gordon? Can somebody get Gordon a test bench?

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

These actually store easier than open benches. I like High Speed PC benches, but they don't stack well and they can take up less room.

[@fasteddie5174]

@@pcworld haha, looks like torture! 😂

[@fasteddie5174]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Maybe Thermaltake Core series is the middle ground? Vertical test bench with permanent mounting for the AIO? Thanks for the entertaining content here guys, and love the live streams.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

@@fasteddie5174 I don't think the Core will be the price of this Cooler Master box.

[@fasteddie5174]

@@FakeGordonMahUng @Thermaltake get in here! Oh crap it didn't work.

[@oldguy3378]

Memories. I was buying DFI and Abit motherboards in those S754 and 939 days. I skipped Intel from Asus P2B until EVGA X58 came out

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Throw out some Iwill, Soyo and other board brands that have long faded out of consumer memory banks...

[@Xzorton]

Heck yeah.. The DFI LanParty 939 yellow accent board was so sick.

[@RandalReid]

2:35 "Oh man, that's dirty" There's a mom joke somewhere there

[@poppasteve2976]

"Always a trick to get these things in". Now THERE is an understatement. And by the way, you could lap the plate on the cooler...

[@almostinfamous42]

Gordon and Adam do tech stuff 😅😅😅

[@yamilabugattas3895]

Really fun experiment, I hope you make more videos like this!

[@QuietOC]

I am glad I can reuse a Scythe Ninja that has been sitting in its box for over a decade.

[@bl4d3runn3rX]

Great cable management in your case!!!

[@VikingDudee]

Bought my brother a used 5700G, no cooler included, I had a few AMD FX stock style coolers, I used one of them on that 5700G and it works pretty well, but then again them coolers were meant to cool a 125watt chip, the 5700G is 65 watt TDP.

[@royboysoyboy]

Liking and commenting for the algorithm gang. Good work Gordon as always!!

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

I used to have that Cooler Master case! Had to cut and bend the 3.5" bays with a pair of wire cutters to fit a Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X in haha...

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

i really to need to just drill out the pop rivets for the drive bays.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@FakeGordonMahUng I've fond memories of that R9 290 (still runs) and case, bought as an ex-display model for a great price after I knocked a pint of beer over on my desk and it poured down the opening grate of that Cooler Master case and fried my graphics card, luckily that was the only component that got hit, tried cleaning it and doing the old heat gun trick to no avail haha... Was a HD 7950 or 70.

[@andrewfroedge8227]

Opty 165 with a Big Typhoon, loved that system

[@wngimageanddesign9546]

From the temps so spiked in a short time, the cpu cooler is likely not seated properly on the heat spreader. The copper heatsink should be able shunt plenty of heat at idle, so 95C makes no sense. I suspect the wide copper heatsink plate is sitting on top of the hex socket bolts.

[@hefnyx]

A blast from the past 😅

[@dualboy24]

It was so obvious there was no thermal contact just watching it be mounted the first time, you could see the mount face shape.

[@Ko6pa]

Good old days...😭😭

[@a.j.haverkamp4023]

Feeling the heat from the top of the CPU cooler?

[@craig71686]

I definitely enjoy the videos where you guys revisit the old stuff. I still have my old AMD systems that have an Athlon XP 3200+, Althon X2 4850e and an FX 8320e(Overclocked to 4.2GHz).

[@ericb6309]

I also have the 7950x and am thankful for its AIO/water cooler. Maybe it doesn’t absolutely require water cooling but I’d gotten tired of building nothing but fan cooled rigs.

[@AndreiNeacsu]

Impressive! The age of the cooler might affect its performance due to the following reason: the inside of heatpipes is at a lower pressure than the room one, but copper would still allow some slow permiation into the heatpipes, thus reducing their efficiency by increasing the temperature needed for vaporization of the water (or etylenne-glycol, or whatever is inside) droplet. A large 650g or bigger full copper cooler might be a better fit, as there is no age-related issue with a slab of metal. PS: I understand that the point of the video is AM2 -> AM5 interoperability.

[@falconeagle3655]

Very interesting to see something before my first computer

[@luckyluk83]

How can you be called PCWorld and check hot air coming from the cooler from the intake fan side ? Not even mentioning thermal paste application :)

[@deviouslaw]

We need to see those sweet copper zalmans next, lol

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

I loved those zalmans...gotta hit ebay now...

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

Wow I am glad I waited till the end, That cooler looks like the wraith Prizm Cooler a little.. I was expecting decent results.. Not AIO temps but that thing was meant for an FX8550 or 9550 5.0Ghz CPU back then, they were pulling power for there time.. I am not surprised at all by how it handled once mounted right..

[@MommaMolly]

What about the wrath cooler I am curious.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Wraith cooler is much larger. I meant to show the difference but forgot too. This TT cooler is pretty much the same as the stock AMD coolers they had used for a long time too.

[@jodajackson4489]

I had a RyZen 9 3950X with a CoolerMaster Master Liquid 240mm AIO and the OEM motherboard plastic mounting hardware failed. One of the tabs snapped off and the pump head was just dangling with little to no pressure. The system performed fine and I only noticed something was amiss because the CPU temp pegged at the max of 95C. These modern AMD CPUs can protect themselves and are fine at those higher temps.

[@toddincabo]

👍 That was fun guys, thanks.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

fantastic content gentlemen.

[@c-dub8639]

8:32 what did he say?

[@liaminwales]

Looks like the little fella will run with no heat sink even.

[@supercardesigner]

I had one of these. AMD K8 with NV6100, my gaming setup running 640x480 on a CRT....good times...

[@samiraperi467]

Dremel? You'll never have to dremel the cooler off since the cooler is affixed to mounts that are screwed in.

[@blackknight50277621]

great content still miss my X6 1055T with one of these type cooler

[@leoSaunders]

13:53 adam that fan is pushing not pulling

[@fenaxtv]

one of my favorite computer/tech anchors =-)

[@tipturkey1283]

Gordon applying thermal paste: "there's different ways you can do this but.... **** it, i'm just doing it this way" How it went working on anything with your dad as a kid xD

[@pcenthusiastbd894]

Awesome content guys

[@richardgarrett2792]

I have run AMD CPUs since the days of K6 233. Have always used the stock retention clips on the mobo. It clips in and comes with it. My Ryzen chips have been an R5 1600 and R5 3600. I have used an AM3 cooler for both, same one. Arctic Cooling does the job for me. Idle temps are usually in the low 40's and loads are rarely 70C. I must say that the audacity to use an AM2 era cooler on a 7950X is definitely ballsy. The results are quite reasonable considering the conditions thrown at it with the dirty heat sink and the bad mounting. Once sorted, this would be a reasonable cooler for an R5 7600X. When the lower specced parts come out even more could be in the mix.

[@ThomasKoelln]

3:43 got my like.

[@superpandabacon]

That was unexpected! Awesome content! Hope you guys make more experiments like these. Would an AM2 socket cooler be enough to cool a 4090? 😁

[@victormtzc]

I really like this video. It is amazing that you can still use your cooler from 2007 on the new AMD CPUs. I wonder if you can do the same on Intel CPUs. Gordon make a video for intel cpu now, please!!.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

I can't remember if the offset for Core 2 was the same as LGA115X or not. I suspect it isn't as I had to toss a bunch old coolers.

[@veronicafloyd7004]

Practical information and insight on UK education for international students thinking of studying at a UK university.

[@remcojonkers5027]

What keyboard is that?

[@jbgreen27]

Corsair K100

[@Starscreamious]

8:17 Gordon the snake.

[@spec-productions5733]

This was very interesting from the perspective of someone who built hundreds of white box computers in that era. Too bad the horrible camera jitters from handholding without stabilization made me nauseous to the point I had to miss much of it.

[@agenericaccount3935]

Poor baby. Complain harder.

[@peterjansen4826]

Good topic but I mostly would like to know how the Noctua D15 for the AM4 platform would do, many people have either that one or the bq-drp4. After all, Zen1 and Zen2 came with a boxed cooler so if you upgraded then you upgraded to that. More specifically, how does it handle transient heatbursts, how much clock-frequency do you lose compared to a 380 mm closed loop AIO? Maybe a follow-up? By the way, I am 100% fine with losing 100 MHz, it also will use less power and I think that Zen4 comes overclocked far beyond the sweet spot.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

The AMD FX-9590x was a Heat " MONSTER " pushing 5.0 ghz. : AMD designed AM5 to run at 95c or lower

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

You know that would be a fun comparison. I need to figure that chip up.

[@JasonB808]

The old Thermaltake cooler looks a lot like Wraith coolers from AMD. My Ryzen 3700x came with a Wraith Prism cooler that had a hard time keeping that CPU under 90c under load. The 3700x has a TDP of 65 watts but under heavy loads it would bump up to 85 or even 90c. 240mm AIO cooler did the trick. Intel 12th and 13th gen i7 and i9 is laughing at your 240 AIO trying to cool it.

[@Uncle_yandere]

why old AMD cpu coolers were overbuilt?

[@dryster123]

Does this mean that copper has better thermal conductivity than aluminum, we have learned something today.

[@rhekman]

Seriously who swaps mounting brackets that came with a motherboard to another mobo from years later on a different socket? Anyway, kudos to PCWorld for showing how the sausage is made.

[@EinSwitzer]

A great burn in technique

[@rainmaker6217]

Not really AM2, but sure 939 did share a lot of similarities. The coolers are interoperable though.

[@Ensue85A]

This ep was KICKASS!

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Wonderful video. Was that a Wraith Cooler ? ; If it wasn't maybe try the 1st gen Wraith Cooler.

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

No, a cooler from the early to mod 2000s.

[@toastynotes]

The ultimate ECO mode is your CPU crashing your computer for you, reducing your power consumption to zero watts

[@peterjansen4826]

Adam, buddy. There is no such thing as a cheap X670 motherboard. Just gradations of expensive. 😏

[@techgeek3233]

more retro hardware

[@wskinnyodden]

NForce chipsets were in their they one of the best when not in fact the best chipset you could get for AMD's K7 and up CPU's. I had a Athlon XP 2000+ that I upgraded the system motherboard from a 70€ board to a 250€ N-Force 2 Deluxe Gold (ASUS) mostly due to the chipset being dual-channel DDR(or was it DDR2?). I was expecting somewhat of a performance improvement on the system just not as large as it was. For all intents and purposes that system doubled it's overall performance all over the place, it felt like I had upgraded the CPU from the XP2000+ to the XP2800+ when in fact the only change was the mainboard. Another quite impressive feature of that particular ASUS N-Force2 Deluxe Gold was the onboard audio which in fact not only had the "dumb" codec but also had 3 DSPs for what we'd call HW accelerated audio, something that in fact we had for all ISA sound cards as the only way they would have enough performance was if they did process the audio by themselves, no way a CPU alone would handle that over the ISA bus. Sadly when the PCI age came around most audio cards turned into mostly dumb codecs where the CPU did all the heavy lifting (specially after MMX became a thing) except for higher end audio cards. It was and IS depressing to be aware of the piece of crap most sound cards are nowadays compared to even an SB16, much less an AWE32/64 with dedicated RAM. I'll shut up about this when every sound card has at least 2 DSPs, Digital WaveTable Synth with 128Mb+ of RAM for it's synth samples tables and any DSP/audio processing code (preferably using DDR SO-DIMMs to ensure ease of upgrade). Also of importance is to include MIDI IN/OUT and Through though this last part is secondary even though it's quite cheap to implement as it's nothing but a serial interface with a non-standard speed which normal USB to serial adapters can handle quite easily with minor adaptations if any at all needed.

[@AvroBellow]

That looks like a standard Wraith cooler like I got with my Phenom II X4 940, 965 and FX-8350 CPUs. Phenom I CPUs got awfully hot so it should do ok. People need to remember that older CPUs weren't nearly as efficient as they are now and generated TONS of heat. My Phenom II CPUs and my FX-8350 were all rated at 125W while my R7-5700X is way faster and rated at only 65W. That's 2.5W more than half. The O.G. air coolers were WAY more robust than air coolers today because they had to be. Is it any wonder that AMD'd top-of-the line air cooler today, the Wraith Prism, is just an FX cooler with RGB?

[@Kojiro3210]

I still have a sicket 939 board too with nforce chipset xD

[@ianmoone8244]

Gordon can I say to you one thing? I guess that I messed my MSI B450M Bazooka Plus putting one AM3/AM3+ cooler into it, I guess it makes so much pressure and damaged the solder ball in the PGA socket, but I cannot confirm it because here in Brazil we got a lot of fake and bad technicians that don't make socket reballings neither has the basics tools to do the job. In the and I got fooled with a partially working motherboard. :( I had learned now to don't mess putting a lot of pressure in CPU's sockets, but in your I think that you could try to turn it 90° with the on the horizontal way and make not much pressure with you hands. Good video I'll wait anxious for more videos like that! Old hardware bring us memories! ^^ Oh Gordon can you interview someone of AMD to now why AM4 socket with so many pins unused don't got a AM4+ version? I hate LGA sockets because they are expensive and I never have the problem that a lot of people had/have when they took/take of the cooler with CPU together and i just had AMD's PGA CPUs because they were cheaper... =/

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Good question I'll try to ask next time we get to sit down with an engineer person at AMD.

[@leoSaunders]

adam! when's that matx/itx, ATX cooling standoff coming !!!!!!!

[@n8spL8]

sweet, I have that cooler on my xp build, guess I'm future proof.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Stock Intel cooler (the one from early Core i series) on a 10980XE would be a disaster I think haha...

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

It does make me wonder if the cooler spacing changed between the Core X and Haswell-E days or not.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@FakeGordonMahUng Ah yes, now that you mention it my X99 system required a bracket adapter for my Arctic cooler and the poor thing still didn't cover the entire IHS haha... Runs fine though as the 12 core chip only hits 3.3ghz max clocks. 7/9/10980XE would be another story at 4.5ghz+ and since Intel didn't bother soldering the IHS, delidding is really the way to go with those chips if you want to do any overclocking without hitting 100c.

[@celdur4635]

Love this kind of content! 16 cores running on... nothing, fantastic.

[@techdistractions]

Cant wait for the HX laptop chips based on 7xxx :-)

[@cali_cal]

Funny. I'm here with a 1366 coolmaster fan with slight mod on a 129k . idling at 30c ambient temp 63 . cpu fan speed lowered to 700 rmp😀

[@agussuparno741]

the funniest word is heat pipe working or doing nothing haha lol .. thx for your science

[@ajslim79]

note to yourself: blow the dust out ALWAYS OUTSIDE

[@EinSwitzer]

Very good didn’t take like 20 min to train memory instant reboot notice, 😎✌️