Can An LMP1 Beat An F1 Car CUTTING The CHICANES?

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Do you prefer LMP1 cars or F1 cars?

[@kylemitchell2052]

P1.

[@Пользователь-й2ч]

LMP1. They are incredible. These cars are slower than f1 just because they have lower wings and diffuser

[@mj31235]

LMP1

[@bernardoberner4]

P1 all day

[@Blobeb1007]

@@Пользователь-й2ч thats not it. porsche 919 evo without regulations is still slower than an F1 car with regulations

[@M4rk_is_Q]

its still crazy how fast these lmp1s are considering they have to survive for 24 hours

[@johnulmerRacing]

The tires aren't optimal for a single lap either.

[@davidburke2132]

@@johnulmerRacingnor are F1 tyres. They’re specifically made to be suboptimal to drive degradation and create interest through strategy decisions.

[@johnulmerRacing]

@davidburke2132 they are far softer than the tires run by the LMP1.

[@davidburke2132]

@ but still far from optimised for a single lap run… they’re not even optimised for anything… they’re intentionally compromised for racing purposes. Pointing out something like this in a comparison of this nature is about as logical as pointing out any of the other design differences between the two formulas that are what makes this kind of comparison interesting in the first place. The whole point here is that pretty much everything about these two vehicles is fundamentally different in design and regulation.

[@johnulmerRacing]

@davidburke2132 you do realize that F1 cars have a qualifying compound, right? Prototypes do not. The Prototype produces more downforce, so there are errors in this simulation, which could be attributed to the tires, especially if the F1 is using qual tires, while the LMP1 is on tires designed to run triple stints. The LMP1 should have been able to hold more speed in places like the Porsche curves. The F1's advantages are more pronounced in braking. An example is to look at places like COTA, where they both race in real life, and see that the LMP1s would actually carry more speed through the esses. All the while, the F1 car's lighter weight and grippier tires make it much quicker at getting in and out of turns 1, 11, and the entire stadium complex. It's interesting to see where they overlap, with downforce vs. Brute force.

[@lordracer7743]

He is cutting the chicken! Quote from Fernando Alonso

[@tenkamenincrowder3486]

That's Actually from Nigel Mansell

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

🔪🍗

[@PRokY]

This is a yoke!

[@8jof544]

And the chicken is Stroll

[@Jeffrey_Wong]

Where is Palmer?

[@SkunkworksProps]

Shows how mind bogglingly fast F1 cars actually are. Give a ridiculously fast race car every possible advantage, and it still loses to the F1 car.

[@ec6843]

That's because LMP1s are limited on the horsepower they can produce and have tighter regulations(for balance of performance) overall as compared to F1.

[@catjudo1]

F1 cars are so stupidly fast in the corners! They have gobs of power and high downforce to stick them to the track. I sometimes wonder what the cars could do if they weren't hampered by decades of "you can't do that" regulations.

[@johnulmerRacing]

​@ec6843 not to mention the tire difference.

[@Alan-ww8vi]

@@catjudo1 The same could be said with pretty much any motorsport category if they weren't hampered by regulations.

[@gregrowe1168]

I wonder how a late 90s Indycar would do. Those were absolute rocket ships in a straight line. I feel they would build up such a huge lead on the straight that the F1 car could never catch up.

[@themuaddib]

F1 cars are just so stupidly fast in the corners.

[@LearnGranTurismo]

Downforce my bro, downforce!

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@LearnGranTurismoFormula Gran Turismo also as fast as 2024 spec F1 cars.

[@minecraftveteran7410]

​@@LearnGranTurismoNot only Downforce. Mechanical Grip and Lightweight.

[@janwlaaa]

The helicopter sound is a nice touch!

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

ASMR 😪

[@purwantiallan5089]

Imagine if we got R92CP against RB20 but, RB20 starts 25 seconds behind.

[@Kazuki_Aozaki]

The gap created by the "detour" of two chicanes at Hunaudières was made up in the short distance from the Porsche corner to the Ford chicane. After all, F1 cornering speed is still crazy.

[@purwantiallan5089]

F1 cars even can take Indianapolis corner and the final sector of Circuit de la Sarthe flatout.

[@chaitanyagaur3772]

All the time the F1 had its DRS closed. No wonder the low top speed.

[@purwantiallan5089]

F1 cars should've had its DRS opened on straight lines.

[@tamasfekete3902]

The lmp1 car did not use kers probably which can enhance the speed above 360kmh. Lmp1 cars can reach much higher speed than f1 cars by using kers. I remember that I could reach 388kmh with 919 hybrid from 2017 and not with the 919 hybrid evo, that was just the basic le mans car. But this speed costs a lot of energy. With an f1 car with full energy I was struggling to reach 350 at le mans, but the lmp1 was a rocket. It depends on the mods as well vrc f1 mods maybe a bit faster, but I used a reworked vrc mod I guess.

[@yesmate78]

F1 cars shouldn't have DRS full stop

[@rofufoja]

@@tamasfekete3902 LMP1 didn't have a top speed of 360kmh. Their electric motors usually helped them till about 250kmh, after that they only had power of their ICE.

[@tamasfekete3902]

@@rofufoja Try to push the kers button as late as you can.

[@Ilovecars-wd6xu]

Can we see the 919 evo vs the Toyota ts050 with the evo having chicanes and the Toyota on the straights? Basically replacing the f1 with the 919 evo

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Yes!

[@Ilovecars-wd6xu]

@ thank you

[@geuros]

919 Evo could go against F1 fair and square. At this point I would be interested in Ferrari F2004 (V10) on super soft slicks vs modern F1 vs 919Evo

[@purwantiallan5089]

Or even with BAR 001 1999 F1 car from Ricardo Zonta on slick tyres,​@@geuros

[@lordracer7743]

the standig start lap time of the toyota is a second of the pole positon from Pedro Rodriguez in 1971, when they had this rockets called 917K.

[@Bala1991100]

The track was different...

[@Anon24052]

@@Bala1991100 That’s an understatement, there were like three or four less chicanes and no porsche curves either

[@IndoClaudioGT]

The track had no chicanes back then...

[@lordracer7743]

@@Bala1991100 you can assume, that the toyota would got under 3 Minutes, if they would raced the old layout.

[@jeffreypostma6832]

Brakes and tires were a lot worse than they are now, plus no driver aids and electronics and a manual shifter.

[@murccc]

what an overtake by max at 3:09 !

[@purwantiallan5089]

Verstappen chasing the TS050: *STELLAR STREAM from Ayumu Uehara starts playing and louder on the background*.

[@burstcity3832]

That style was more like Vettel.

[@greedo-dv6ev]

wow, what a close race, i thought the f1 car had the win in the bag but it fell way behind, but a great recovery by the f1 let it take home the win, i wasn't lying when i said this was going to be interesting, another banging video!

[@jayfalvs]

the lap record in the Toyota lmp1 was 3.14 WITH chicanes not an accurate assessment. still cool video to see though

[@EvLSpectre]

They were still probably lift and coasting. Unless it was under quali

[@Evative]

i think the theoretical was based off using the chicanes hence why theoretical f1 time is 18 or something seconds faster

[@parliache3329]

I believed the F1 Car were given a handicapped. No DRS

[@manishapadave8390]

The stats at starting said the top speed was 360 for f1 I thank that includes DRS and not tow and all Irl Bottas unofficially set the fastest Speed of 378 in a Williams in 2016 Baku I think

[@lordracer7743]

@@manishapadave8390 the cars of 2016 were much more on top speed with terrible cornering.

[@LevyTheGamer]

I tested the same thing with the Peugeot 908 and it lost against the F1

[@Starfire_Storm]

Well yeah, the 908 is slower than the TS050

[@mEmEzMaN...]

Of course the 908 made around 730 hp The Toyota made around 1000hp Both these cars are aprox. 900kg each The TS050 is the fastest regulatory lmp1 car in le man history having the record The only one faster is the 919 evo but that isnt legal within regulations

[@jidearojo]

Pound for pound, I would say the 2013-2016 lmp1 era had the fastest and strongest cars ever in motorsport. They hardly got damaged and could do over 360kmh. For 24 hrs that is insane

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

I agree

[@FlashoftheBlades]

The launch that the Toyota got was bonkers! Also, here’s a future video idea: How fast can a GT500 lap the Nürburgring 24h layout?

[@cleitin1437]

DRS open?

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Not available until lap 3

[@thomaslapp7667]

Fun video, but we have to remember that if we add DRS and change the final drive ratio that the F1 car would have a much higher speed on the straights and destroy the lmp1. 😊

[@megumin3336]

No drs allowed and no different gear ratio needed, only Monza wing.

[@SimRacerGump]

Perhaps more information would have helped, what tyres are used on the F1?

[@1010thechamp]

Well that was more than just LMP1 cutting chicanes, the F1 car didn't even use DRS on a track where it's most needed, AND it appears to be running high downforce hence why it was so fast in the corners BUT again on this track that was the wrong aero level as more time to be gained on the straights than corners, so basically impeding 3 different things instead of LMP1 just cutting g the chicane.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

The F1 car was with a low df setup, if not it wouldn’t have reached 310 km/h. The DRS is a an overtaking gimmick used from lap 3, no reason to use it here

[@lordracer7743]

@@THEWINDTUNNEL actually lap 2 since this season. they changed it, because they didnt wanted to let max went into the distance and out of the drs window. another stupid rule change to stop the dominant driver.

[@rofufoja]

Great comparison. Only question I have is, why wasn't the LMP1 875kg? That was the weight they had in 2017 season.

[@shadeburst]

The F1 car would probably run with low wing as at Spa and Monza giving it a top speed equal to the LMP1. I think that open wheel LMP1 cars should be considered for the future of F1 as it would eliminate the necessary but unsightly HALO. In fact open wheel cars are so damn fragile and I wouldn't miss them.

[@AnEagle]

Not being openwheel would defeat the point of F1, +the halo exists so drivers can extract themselves faster, compared to a closed cockpit

[@TheBrickChannel-j9k]

It’s like saying we should start using our hands for soccer💀

[@shadeburst]

@@AnEagle Why then do WEC, DTM, WRC, Nascar, BTCC etc have closed cockpits.

[@AnEagle]

@@shadeburst because the cars are completely different, and f1 car is (Theoretically at least) a lot lighter, and "simpler"

[@elterrible06]

The cornering speed of an F1 car

[@burntheobedient4473]

This really isnt a surprise. F1 cars carry more speed through the corners than most, if not all, racecars. Higher corner speeds means higher exit speeds. Exit speeds are the downside of faster, less aero cars. F1 cars are not REALLY that fast compared to a lot of cars.

[@b.lalfakzuala4378]

Correction. F1 cars carry the most corner speeds (actual corners, not oval turns) out of all race cars. And "not really that fast" depends on the context. In a drag race, a dragster will blow every other type of car away, but will crash and burn at the slightest bend. In an oval with long straights, over a single flying lap, an oval spec Indy race car will almost always win. In almost every other type of circuit, an F1 car will take home the fastest lap. However, if its an endurance race, then the F1 car will most likely not make it to the end. lol So again, it all depends on the situation. Its almost as if these different race cars are designed to race under different rules and regulations or something. 🤔🤔

[@lucashoffman9823]

326 km/h is far below the speed an F1 would actually reach with a low aero package on this track, let alone DRS open

[@antagonistickeypress5271]

Would it be possible to also include the 0-200kph times (or 100-200kph). For cars like LMP1 cars and F1 cars that would also be really interesting to see.

[@digitgaming4550]

Should have used mcl 38 for f1

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Using the winning driver-car combo 😏

[@digitgaming4550]

Still max in mcl 38 would have one by more than 5 second in real life and game

[@JaydenRieux-fi9ub]

I find it cool that the f1 car struggles on the straights I thought it was going to zoom pass but i was wrong the f1 car was stronger in the chicane as ever

[@MaFd0n]

Sad to see that Le Mans is "only" a level 2 FIA circuit as F1 cars are only allowed to race level 1 circuits

[@ImLehwz]

Which software is used to do these tests?

[@Scintilla69]

Porsche 917/30 without chicane VS Porsche 963 with chicane OR Toyota 7 without chicane VS Toyota GR010 Hybrid with chicane

[@lordracer7743]

And adding the toyota here into the mixed.

[@stenovitz]

A privilege to be displayed this new "Lamar" track. However, I observe several sections with great inspiration from the Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe. In fact the entire track, I think 😛 (sorry, I'll soon be allergic to the Anglo-Saxon insistence on this alien pronunciation)

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Drake refused to race here

[@serhiy1237]

I doubt that this setup was optimal for f1, I believe it should be more Monza-like

[@rdspam]

0:21 10 kph higher top speed isn’t also 10mph. 350kph is 217 mph.

[@purwantiallan5089]

The TS050 at LeMans basically is as fast as Sauber C9.

[@413TomaccoRoad]

What about GTP/ Hypercar?

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

They are 8-9 seconds slower than the LMP1s

[@hungrysurfer9471]

Why put the Monaco set up on the f1 car ? Spa or Monza setup would give 220mph top speed.

[@311superfly]

Was expecting Toyota to jump the last curve and was disappointed!

[@BoxCarRacer-notthebandsorry]

I don't know if those are temps or pressures for the tires on the wheel, but them being -1000 is probably not a good thing lol

[@tanfred8629]

nah it means the car weighs less obviously 😂

[@jakejohnson9827]

I feel like whatever you like better, F1 or LMP1, they are both unique and designed for their own way of racing, almost a respect between f1 and LMP fans, unless it's toxic like f1 v nascar lollll

[@mignav464]

This was not driven by Max, he left the LMP room after passing him in turn 1.

[@RubberKid100]

If we're looking at the fastest ever LPM1 car, perhaps we should look at the fastest ever F1 car as well, being the 2020 Mercedes W11.

[@kl9505]

I was expecting a sensational double chicane cutting by the LMP1 at the end of the lap, and betrayed. Shame.

[@Danny-in4rb]

It would be cool to see the 919 evo vs a v10 formula one car with no chicanes

[@GeorgeAusters]

Why does the F1 car sound naturally aspirated? Sounds like an F3 car.

[@Erwan56130]

It was without activating the DRS. With activation, it would be better for F1.

[@jonasdk6436]

Make a video of lmh and group c racing 🙏

[@npc4188]

Do you think future lmh could go under 3:10 at le mans??

[@wizarck3880]

Do 919 evo vs w11 in spa

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

We did already ;)

[@clementpinault513]

What is the video game please ?

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Assetto Corsa

[@clementpinault513]

Thanks ! Not the Competizione juste Assetto Corsa.

[@josepha4678]

La différence de vitesse se fait dans les virages à cause des 130/140kgs en plus... C physique ! Entre F1 il n'y a qu'à voir la différence de temps au tour entre les qualifs et la course.. entre 3 et 10s /tour juste avec 80kgs d'essence ! Elle est là la diff!😊

[@maxshesol8608]

What game is this?

[@TXnine7nine]

Now switch out the Red Bull for a Sauber 😂

[@InnerTurbulencia]

You’d surely remove the downforce and extend the gears on the Toyota. I can hit 240 on GT7 in that way

[@rientsdijkstra4266]

This is not correct: F1 cars top speed is very dependent on the setup, mainly of the wings... On fast low downforce tracks like Monza and in Mexico they regularly go way over 340 kph, and even over 360 kph. And given that LeMans is a very fast low down force circuit, you would expect the F1 to do 350+ on the straights, not 324, as shown here. (and then there is the DRS of course)

[@TheHesK9]

Bit unfair as the F1 didn't use DRS at all. Probably lost 20kph on the straight from that

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

It’s an overtaking gimmick because otherwise you wouldn’t be able to pass in F1 but that’s not a problem here so no DRS

[@drjoewareham]

Can an F1 car beat a top fuel dragster at Sonoma by adding a chicane? Too easy, lets just add a 35 degree curve.

[@Hashslingingslasherrr]

Maybe with higher gearing on the lmp1 it would have been closer?

[@jenscee7679]

Ok, I’ve run hundreds of laps in iracing for LMP1 and the fastest time was around 3:12 and I was part of a team who won our split at Le Mans Iracing 24 hours. I’ve also driven several F1 cars in the same sim. F1 cars are ridiculously faster. Like 13-14 secs a lap faster. That on a track that doesn’t suit its strengths. The LMP1 is just as limited on boost use as the F1. If you could boost all lap it’d have a chance. But having no chicanes means you only gain a tiny bit of boost through energy recovery (you get a lot more through braking.) Yes, Iracing simulation means you have to watch your boost at all times. F1 would gain lots of charge under braking and engine braking. The LMP1 would de rate on the straights as its two wheel drive and only 600BHP or so in that mode. I love WEC and F1 but F1 is way faster, they have stupid levels of grip.

[@SAAAWofficial]

Look like a magic lap 😂

[@j8rtUfh3evz]

Why was the lmp1 allowed to miss some chicanes? Anyhow, it depends on the f1 car and driver. Put lance stroll in a red bull and he'd crash.

[@jamesbrennan5457]

Do it with an IndyCar straightlining the chicken.

[@Tuxy79]

F1 needs to devolve to V12s.

[@gmasterdaone]

The fuel flow is the problem for modern f1 cars

[@gregrowe1168]

@@Tuxy79 they’re more concerned with fuel economy now. The Hybrids are much better at that. I liked the V10s from the early 2000s best but we will never see that again.

[@Tuxy79]

@ renewable fuels.

[@gregrowe1168]

@@Tuxy79 sadly, in probably 20 years or less, the solution will be electric cars. No more screaming engines. Just the whine of electric motors.

[@Tuxy79]

@ I’ll check out long before that happens

[@nicklopez8279]

Top fuel at Daytona?

[@gregrowe1168]

It seems neither car was running at absolute max speed on the long straights.

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

They had to save the ERS for the entire lap

[@quantumrobingaming6667]

If the F1car had a proper start and Drs it wouldn't have been close.

[@paulwood6729]

And that's without DRS!

[@avint247]

With all the long straight and only 326 top speed? I would say your F1 car setup is not optimise yet.

[@kidibra]

as F1 fans we could use some DRS

[@Domi984]

Jesus i knew they were quick in corners but this is ridiculous.

[@TEKNIKALITY1]

I feel like this was kinda righed ngl. Why dodnt the lmp1 car cut the final few turns?

[@nck7695]

Not very accurate simulation, the fastest time the TS050 has made is 3:14.7 and they had to lift and coast a lot because they have limited fuel per lap. The car can probably do 3:11 or 3:12

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

What do you mean? These are the times without chicanes

[@nck7695]

​@@THEWINDTUNNELYour theoretical qualifying time is 3:14.91 which is slower than the actual TS050, the TS050 should be closer to the F1 or maybe even win

[@Chris-zb7bu]

Cool wie er am Anfang sogar die Pylonen umfahren hat…

[@bagashadi8327]

now do w11 vs 919 evo

[@factormars4339]

What is the point?

[@iervo3899]

A rare video of Max Verstappen in a LMP1

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

Who was driving the F1 car then? 🤣

[@iervo3899]

@THEWINDTUNNEL surely not Perez...it won... maybe who deserves it like Lawson

[@Dartingleopard]

​@@THEWINDTUNNELHis evil doppelganger from another timeline

[@xsnckp]

Pls rb20 mod link

[@typhoon-7]

Does the "slower" car ever win any of these challenges?

[@lordracer7743]

In the race car vs street car comparisons, there were some street cars, who beat the race cars.

[@TedSchoenling]

Now lets see how long a F1 car lasts doing lap after lap...... how long a F1 pitstop will be with refueling the way they have to do it now.. and driver changes....

[@maca9709]

They literally had refueling not so long ago, so not hard to get a ball park estimation for the time needed. And also they literally mandate how much time a driver must be able to vacate a seat. So guess driver change would be ultra swift.

[@cobyspaceman]

The F1 car is way faster than the other race cars

[@Dorlan2001]

If there was one man that could achieve this, it's Max Verstappen.

[@ChittapuliArya]

the lmp1 is not designed to launch ,wrong depiction

[@THEWINDTUNNEL]

They are literally the fastest 0-100 car in motorsport outside drag racing. The teams put a lot on effort on launches, they leave the pits 30 times at Le Mans, if you manage to gain 1 second every time that’s half a minute at the end of the race

[@henogimc]

Why does that lmp1 car sound like a truck

[@Legobro427]

In other words, verstqppens racing line

[@fetusofetuso2122]

shows how FAT the F1 have become when an LMP1 looks nimble next to one

[@hornbillflankerF16V]

In real life you're not gonna see that happen, once the LMP1 Hybrid get into the straight line, F1 will not stand a chance against the LMP1 Hybrid car, more interestingly if it's without a chicane F1 car furthermore will be stay behind and the gap between them more advantages to the LMP1 Hybrid.

[@festo8885]

Nah you're wrong

[@LapisLazully1]

​@@festo8885Why?

[@tenkamenincrowder3486]

​@LapisLazully1 they runout of boost the Non Hybrid LMP1s where faster on topend The Rebellion lmp1 was 210mph and BR01 LMP1 has the record of the highest topspeed with the chicane of 218mph

[@Starfire_Storm]

LMP1 are not nearly as fast on a straight line as you think they are.

[@Mr.Rickroll]

​@@Starfire_StormPeugeot 408kmh in lemans World record,but yeah.There a Damage to the engine so cant keep up

[@prinarwanto]

even without DRS

[@MrYoumitube]

F1 is king!

[@FranekTransport0607]

Imangone this but at monza

[@PatNetherlander]

Well……. That race has been decided allready. The record on Spa Francorchamps lies with 1.41.8 in the hands of a beefed up LMP1. Fastest F1 laptime there (Hamilton) is .7 slower…… there’s a super vid about that one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGG9nYCLas9_gacsi=Yl5pf-TMrd77lNkS

[@ahox9283]

use DRS

[@HaiLâm-i5y]

Rebellion vs lmdh

[@HoàngPhátNguyễn-i7u]

You forgot ferrari f1

[@yp5387]

LMP1 car is not faster. F1 car is constrained by rules. Give full freedom to engineers and see what they can do with F1 cars.

[@yesmate78]

Suzuki pikes peak vs f1

[@didaanggii6870]

Honda vs toyota

[@musamnguni510]

That LMP1 can certainly gap day lights out of these boats they drive nowadays

[@Real_Shawn]

WEC >> F1

[@szabolcslovas3412]

It is still a stupid challenge… F1 has higher downforce than LMPs or LMDHs at the corners while on the straights LMP/LMDH are much faster than F1 category because of battery charger system …🤷‍♂️ F1 could be use DRS on Le Mans 5-7 times to equal the km/h on the straights 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ etc.