Can an Oldtype Pilot a Newtype Machine? [QOTW]

[@supsup335]

Pilot: i'm no newtype. Ntd: i disagree. Pilot is killed, because of wrong flight suit.

[@heavyarms55]

I feel like it's more: Pilot: I'm no newtype NTD: I don't care

[@Spartan120]

Pilot: I'm actually a newtype. Phenex: OH NOM NOM NOM

[@jadeimusprime2158]

@heavyarms55 it isn't. The NTD needs a newtype to activate in the first place

[@supsup335]

@@jadeimusprime2158 not neseccerily. It only needs to detect anewtype in the vicinity, not the one in the cockpit, otherwise it would rip out its chest. At that point, any pilot will do, as long as they survive. The destroymode will activate either way, it's just that the psychoframe will not, propably forcing the ntd to throttle back a bit as the newtype enhancements of its structure aren't there. Prop still gonne be enough to kill any pilot, newtype or not who isn't wearing that special g-suit. In the anime, we saw it switch with inert psychoframe. So the extra boosters and increased reactor putput will still be available to the ntd. Just without the newtype hax.

[@heavyarms55]

@@jadeimusprime2158 I thought it was created to KILL Newtypes though?

[@SilverTheGreatX]

I always saw it like giving an F1 race car to someone and telling them to do a lap without crashing The thing is that sometimes the brakes are controlled with your mind lol

[@albertko1]

To take the analogy further... NewTypes pretty much have the neck strength to handle being in the car at speed. OldTypes/Normal people do not... so even if they could struggle through a "lap", there's no way they could effectively race the machine let alone be tweaking the brake bias or any other race adjustable elements while driving or dealing with porpoising, tire management, racecraft etceetc. Even if you had a non-F1 pro, they could operate the machine but not for long.

[@RevanR]

Its all about skills issues

[@MusicFan752]

So jerid in general.

[@animemlb972]

Just like rolling a nat 20 in 1 roll of a D20

[@Joshua_N-A]

Genetics issue

[@Kindi001]

Garrod did it flawless

[@RiderOmega]

I think it's cool how the Alex's approach to Newtype mobile suits is wildly successful. From Psyco Gundam and all the way up to the F91 prototypes, there are suits that have Psycommu equivalent systems, but their primary purpose is ostensibly more responsive and precise controls, plus a few amenities like remote control on the Psyco. The Alex is built with a far more surface level understanding of Newtypes, but even with a more complete understanding of what Newtypes can do and technology to take advantage of them, we see the Alex's responsiveness framed as one of if not the primary benefit often over the remote controls weapons we see out of Zeon's side.

[@hitachicordoba]

Christina MacKenzie is my favorite non-Newtype Gundam pilot (Sorry Kou/Shiro/Io lol)

[@memeshort7189]

Good take 👏

[@arx3516]

And the good thing is that it wouldn't take much to recalibrate the controls of the Alex for normal pilots. That's how we got the GM custom. Besides you could load two different calibrations, one for newtypes and one for oldtypes, into the mobile suit's OS at the same time, so the pilot can chose their favourite configuration.

[@albertko1]

Moon Gundam also gives a pretty straightforward depiction of what it would be like for an OldType (or extremely weak Newtype) to attempt to pilot CCA tech NewType Custom suits. The Varguil required a strong enough connection to the Psycommu to use the funnel system and perform up to it's full spec. It wouldn't even activate the funnels without a sufficient connection from the pilot to the Psycommu system.

[@kanrakucheese]

And for AW’s Newtype suits, the answer there is really simple and explicit within the series: It works fine, but the newtype stuff isn’t usable (at least not without a co-pilot crammed in or prior authentication). For future QotW: In the original series Amuro casually discards spent beam rifles while in Zeon territory, often while on retreat and in no position to retrieve it later (despite being classified tech the enemy desperately wants). I always assumed these samples (plus the occasional severed part of a Project V MS) were taken by Zeon and used for R&D, but is there any official material on this or Zeon’s MS portable beam weapon development to confirm/deny this?

[@VacadoRay]

Amuro: my dad made this top secret beam rifle for the Gundam..... I'll just toss it away in enemy territory I'm sure we got spares back home😂

[@zergie4]

Makes sense. You want to discard that useless weight, especially if you're in a life or death situation. Sucks they were able to get experimental beam tech, but I would rather have a hands free to fight back instead of dying and give the entire gundam tech to zeon.

[@hanifkrisnandito8645]

I would argue the Federation's "cleaning up" or supply team would retrieve them out anyway. Remember that the Federation's air force were much more superior and could easily provide supply for white base crew even deep in the Zeon's territory, they only encountered trouble when they've landed. So i would argue they would go to the reported battle sites, look for what the white base or gundam had discarded, and fly off to safety. But Zeon reverse engineering the Gundam beam rifle is a really good thought, i would want to know it that was the case. Like they only needed one beam rifle anyway.

[@DIEGhostfish]

I mean, Zeon was already starting down the path witht heir aquatic suits as a step in the right direction.

[@prb463]

I think Ben Wooder lost control of the Psycho Gundam because Four was summoning it with her newtype abilities. Had she not intervened, it's possible he would've been able to keep piloting the machine in MA mode (albeit in a clunkier, less-effective manner). Then again, I could be misremembering. I really need to rewatch Zeta

[@kakarot197]

No, that is about how it happened, but he was already losing control before Four intervened (like crashing into a building). He would've been able to keep going, but considering how hard it was to even move in a straight line, he probably wouldn't have lasted long against the AEUG aces. Against grunts he probably stood a good chance.

[@wasdwazd]

Considering that the Psyco Gundam was doing things without control inputs, it seems like that 'reprogrammed' control system had some serious bugs that the engineers didn't have time to work out

[@hydrasfang]

Was I misunderstanding that Four had taken control towards the end when the guy lost all control of the Psycho Gundam or not?

[@issackaiser]

​@@hydrasfang Nope you got it right. The part where Gundam is moving it's own is Four doing. He still however suck at controlling it before Four even did anything so really, she did him a favour.

[@Ultra04channel]

MY QUESTION GOT ANSWERED YAAAAAAAAAAY This just reinforces how much I want to see a UC story from the perspective of an oldtype who's absolutely terrified of these weird, incredibly smart superhumans that are showing up. So he does everything he possibly can to get a newtype mobile suit, training and training, and training his mental fortitude for months on end, before finally turning on the psychommu or psychoframe and... Actually managing to get some extremely basic newtype functions working. Maybe they only work one at a time, instead of simultaneously. (Firing beams and maneuvering the funnels at the same time is impossible, for instance.) The cost? Heavy mental strain, migraines. ...At first. Until he slowly devolves into just ruining his mind with each subsequent engagement. Better yet, since it's someone who's scared of newtypes replacing him, give him an RX-0 to pilot. The NT-D is specifically designed for fighting them. By the end, I can imagine the protagonist just being a complete mess of a pilot. Paranoid, seeing things, claiming the newtypes can live forever or something after killing one and getting a vision thanks to the psychoframe. Trying to claim others are newtypes, trying to replace him. Obviously followed by some horribly tragic end, because this is UC. Was it the psychoframe? Was it his own paranoia? Was it a newtype? WHO KNOWS!

[@JoshRiolu]

EXAM to HADES to N.I.T.r.O pipeline...

[@bigdaddydons6241]

Self induced autism

[@NoOne-us9xv]

Really good video. I'm glad you establish that "newtype machine" is actually a fairly broad spectrum, because that distinction is vitally important. This definitely isn't just a binary yes or no thing for everything under that umbrella.

[@TheEndlessBlade00]

So, you either: Die Nothing happens Become a newtype. That's a good ratio.

[@Elios0000]

4th option go insane.

[@TheEndlessBlade00]

@@Elios0000 that's true.

[@matohibiki]

@@Elios0000 5th option: Live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@QuintusAntonious]

Here's my theory on this: Newtype suits designed for Newtypes by Newtypes = difficult to pilot or death for an Oldtype. Newtype suits designed for Newtypes by Oldtypes = pilotable by an Oldtype because the designer was limited by their own genetics.

[@matohibiki]

Good take, I agree. How else is an Oldtype going to test their machine, if they can't pilot the thing?

[@barrybend7189]

In Gaia Gear and possibly in other later series like G reco new type ms are entirely capable of using funnels and other newtype tech despite not actually being newtypes. The Zorin Soul in Gaia Gear does have a limit on it's NT tech as it strains the old type pilot.

[@Kira22558]

N.i.t.r.o system of Delta Kai can allow you to use funnels .

[@barrybend7189]

@@Kira22558 I'm not counting it as it forcibly alters the pilot to a cyber New type.

[@Godzilla00X]

QOTW: Could the zero system outperform new types?

[@jakealter5504]

Some

[@TheHiddenBoss]

In the sense of fighting against the basic Newtype stuff like enhanced reaction speeds and spatial awareness maybe. It would probably be added into the pile of other systems and tech meant to combat Newtypes in that regard. Although I doubt it can tactically analyze and comprehend the more absurd abilities of Newtypes when using things like harnessing the energy of the soul or turning thoughts into power. Also, could the Zero System can predict where Funnels would go considering what moves them?

[@jakealter5504]

@@TheHiddenBoss probably

[@Thebearwand]

Yea it would and it wouldn’t be close. Not trying to be disrespectful , people don’t realize gundam wing just barely crack the boundaries into the “super mecha” category and have plenty of super human feats to defend that. New types are realistic yet fictional sci fi characters. The zero system would absolutely account for anything a new type could do both based on the lore and the super mecha nature of the gundams and pilots in gundam wing

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@TheHiddenBoss Later versions could. There's a mention in things with Heero's reaction speed actually going into the negative at times, and that's without some of the tech upgrades in the Snow White that amplifies things even more due to it incorporating the perfected PX system as well, because some of the issues that Heero was having later on was that the Wing Zero's performance was having issues keeping up with him, so the full on mental link from the Griepe's version of the system along with the safety interlocks meant that it can go at the border of what a pilot can physically take, and adjust it on the fly to the current pilot. Add in the full on thing of knowing what you are going to do before you do it shenanigans of later Zero System upgrades (Tiel's Impulse where the Seraphim Custom and Lucifer were acting an unknown but massive number of moves ahead of what was physically happening during their clash being a major example of it). There was also some mentions in things involving earlier crossover stuff where it was not a good idea for a newtype to interact with the Zero system and could kill them in and of itself, combined with a FAR higher mental break chance than with a normal human...though that was, essentially, dropped later on with things. Also, having a pilot that mastered the system outperforms the closest thing to funnels in the universe with the Planet Defensors

[@Zero01k]

20:07 that look, "I've been found out!"

[@fattiger6957]

I feel like at the very basic level, Newtypes have supernaturally quick reaction speed and preternatural spatial awareness (almost verging on precognitience) Basically, they have spider sense. And they probably are able to take in much more information and quicker than a normal person. I'm just trying to extrapolate on the idea that Newtypes evolved to be better suited for life in space. So aside from all the weird psychic stuff, a Newtype mobile suit would have less input lag and a sensor suite that compliments Newtype senses more. Probably able to feed more info to the Newtype pilot than a regular human pilot could handle. When I think about it, there could be AI-augmented MSs that make up for the deficiencies in normal human pilots and bring them nearly to (if not at the same) level as Newtypes. Or maybe heavily cybernetically augmented humans. Maybe the next generation of Cyber Newtypes in an attempt to fix the failures of early generations.

[@wasdwazd]

Your idea of AI-augmented MS immediately brings to mind the EXAM and HADES systems, which do exactly that, albeit through the use of a captive Newtype soul. There is a true AI assisted MS, the S Gundam, though it more takes direct control of the suit to pull its mediocre pilot's ass out of the fire

[@fattiger6957]

@@wasdwazd I'm thinking more like a cooperative AI that controls certain functions of the MS like AI controlled fin funnels. Or maybe like the AI in the Arbalast in FMP which seems like it's the mecha's OS, but is also near sentient.

[@hypershock0storm479]

This description sounds like Lockon's suits from gundam 00. They have a Haro assisting him with sniping and controlling remote weaponry.

[@fattiger6957]

@@hypershock0storm479 It would make sense. There has to be some kind of system translating the pilots controls into movement of the MS. And with things like fin funnels and gun bits, the pilot can't be controlling them at the same time as controlling the MS' movements.

[@sentinel011]

​@@fattiger6957 you're basically referring to Quasi-Psycommu systems

[@SoulstrikerV]

I have a question. Are all Oldtypes capable of awakening as Newtypes? Or is it just a few people who are born with the potential to awaken? They say living in space is a key factor to becoming Newtypes, but we've had people living on Earth who became Newtypes, right? ...and a lot of people out in space who never awaken despite fighting the same war the Newtypes are participating in.

[@DomFortress]

I think the Axis Shock phenomenon during Char's Counterattack proved that Oldtypes have the potential to become Newtypes, once they extended their consciousness to become aware of something greater than themselves. The psychoframe materials were responding to the collective determination of both the Neo Zeon and EF pilots who wanted to save Earth, and in terms it pushed the Axis away from Earth as a result.

[@fattiger6957]

I feel like it's something they are born with, but it could awaken later in life. It's kind of confusing since Sunrise never really made any clear and hard rules on what constitutes a Newtype, what specifically they are capable of, and how it actually all works. Kinda reminds me of mutants in X-Men where the writers were just making it up as they went, so things just kept getting added and changed over the decades.

[@arx3516]

I think that the message is that everyone has the ability to awaken if the circumstances are right and/or you're in the right state of mind.

[@arx3516]

​@@fattiger6957 the Newtype concept was important in Tomino's narrative, basically a Newtype is someone that can transcend the limits of communication, and has the power to end conflicts through understanding. The real role of Newtypes is to be the heralds of a utopia, a future without wars. Unfortunately a side effect of being a Newtype is to be also really good at fighting.

[@fattiger6957]

@@arx3516 Oh believe me. I know how much Tomino was into the Newtype idea. I'm currently reading the novels of 0079 and seemingly every chapter has to have a scene in which the characters talk about Newtypes. It's kind of annoying.

[@annaprzysiezna5913]

Well Funnels weren't made to fly in Atmosphere, so even lifting one is a achievement.

[@spiderenigma2803]

and thats the reason the mass production nu gundam wasn't going to have funnels originally, but still had the capability to mount the original nu gundams fin funnel rack if it needed to

[@jaderabbit898]

What about the inverse situation? What would happen if a Newtype pilots a machine that makes Oldtypes perform like a Newtype? Like the Blue Destinies, the Riders, the Delta Gundam Kai (CUSTOM), etc.

[@arx3516]

It would be like driving a sports car in a race with with all the driving assistance (ABS, ASR) still on. It would hinder the performance.

[@jadeimusprime2158]

Basically what was happening with Amuro by the end of the OYW

[@lowresSandwich]

Have you ever replayed a game knowing all of the tech but the tutorial is slowing you down by forcing you to do the lowest level techs first? Yeah, that's the same feeling

[@OmegaOptimusSupreme]

I enjoyed how in Super Robot Wars 30 Oldtypes could pilot any Mobile Suit but they just couldn't use the Newtype weaponry, funnels mostly. It became an interesting game of musical chairs as you got more higher end Gundams and rotated the Victory Gundam cast out of the Gun Blasters and into hand-me-downs from characters like Amuro & Uso.

[@-AirKat-]

It's really fun putting Fa in the Nu Gundam

[@TheHiddenBoss]

I mean the Zeta Gundam seems perfectly fine to use because unless the Oldtype has a dead harem, the worst luck with women dying in front of him, or is fighting a Newtype Pimp from Jupiter, the odds of him getting his brain fried are slim to none.

[@seabookarno1664]

Zeta itself already fine high-performance suit without Bio Sensor, as the module only for accommodating Kamille newtype power at first. Amuro's Zeta A3 doesn't have Bio Sensor and it can perform well without that.

[@ChiruYES]

It’d be like putting a regular human in a Spartan’s Mjolnir armor in halo. If I remember correctly from the books, you would do a movement and then since the armor enhances them, that movement is more than that person expects. Then they try to correct it, but they underestimate the correction too. They end up breaking a bone or hurting themselves because of the forces involved, then any winces because of pain get enhanced leading to more pain, then it kills the individual.

[@hibemabygaming4316]

To my knowledge, a normal human couldnt handle the pressure and could even die from just sinply being inside the suit.

[@GichLuke0]

Question of the week: how strong does a Minovsky reactor need to be to create a full body I-field barrier, and how strong would it need to be to maintain that barrier indefinitely?

[@RX-79Ez-8]

I'd like to see Gato take on Yazan with some newtype machines. That'd be pretty cool.

[@angeloinfinity3054]

I would have mentioned the Turn types as they make an interesting case as psycho-machines as we see them mostly used by non-newtypes but also know of the absurd power they can unleash with their Moonlight Butterfly, and we know that they are Psycommu equipped and can be so controlled, especially as the additional materials specify that the size and power of the Butterfly is proportional to the "life energy" of the pilot (I'm assuming psychic/newtype energy) and that is feeds on it.

[@sebastiancobosalvarado7613]

Question: How does the Psycho frame work exactly and what Powers does it have exactly, si ce in Unicorn it can do almost anything, pretty much being plot armor (still love Unicorn tho).

[@arx3516]

in SRW 30 they joked about how similar the psycho frame was to getter rays and photon energy, as it can literally warp reality.

[@SwiftGundam]

It really did depend on what kind of psycommu system the suit had. There are those that can activate and function like a normal suit without issue just won't be using the Newtype-use weapons. Others can only be turned on by a newtype as it need to pick up the psycho waves. And then there are those suits with a psycommu system that takes a more active role in scanning for psycho waves as oppose to the more passive approach, those are the dangerous ones for Oldtypes. The NT-D basically takes control, hacks the Newtype's mind. Its a two way bridge so a strong enough will can assume control of the NT-D.

[@AlexRoivas]

I am pretty sure old types can pilot newtype MS and MA. The psycommu reads the newtype psychowaves and translates them to commands for the MS. An oldtype would only be able to move the MS or MA with the normal cockpit controls but would not be able to control any newtype weapons. The only time we ever see a newtype controlling a MS or MA with their mind only and no cockpit controls is the Rafflesia from F91.

[@rmath176]

Could you do a video on all the different cockpit and control systems that Gundams can have? Like the Zero and the Alaya-Vijnana systems. It would be cool to see what all their advantages and abilities are.

[@GundamKType]

On the topic of Amuro in the Nu Gundam , I don't think he was really absorbed but rather his consciousness expanded. Basically becoming a Newtype god/ evolving into an energy being beyond the physical body. And since we don't see him controlling the Nu Gundam later like we'd see Reda do with the phoenix.

[@zgmfx-09a]

I always have an issue with the nu gundam being portrayed on earth. It's always drawn/portrayed with it's funnels on and they either work or there's an implication that they could work and just like no? They're big heavy fins with apogee motors there's no way they could function and they just add to the empty weight on the nu. Just take them off.

[@oratank]

nah no funnel would acttualy work on earth that's why funnel missile was born but its too stupid to retcon how funnel work so just go back to normal funnel like nothing ever happened

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

I quickly thought of the Baund Doc when I saw the title. Most well known example of a Newtype mobile suit being able work fine with a regular human.

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

Of course, the mass produced F-91 are modified since they're unlikely to be pushed as far as the original. Though they retain the lethal VSBRs. Crossbone family also would count as well due to the bio computer. They would by my favorite newtype suits to pilot even without all of the suit functions accessible.

[@Kira22558]

The thing is, the Original plan for the mass production f91 was supposed to be 1:1 to the Gundam and be used by A whole newtype Unit before feddies redo the plan from the scratch.

[@seabookarno1664]

@@Kira22558 Biocomputer and MEPE was too expensive for MP F91 that's why they omit it.

[@terminatorofbaal7853]

Kou deserves a return in gundam. He deserves a redemption arc.

[@Kira22558]

Ever rear 0083 rebellion?

[@terminatorofbaal7853]

@Kira22558 yes, but I want him to Actually be in later UC stuff. Like during 0087-0096.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

@@terminatorofbaal7853 if he returned He probably part of Karaba

[@vustvaleo8068]

meanwhile we have the Gundam fandom inside joke that is driving a car equipped with a Psycommu System, you don't need a steering wheel for that beast.

[@Firealchemist24]

I love how the screen cap for Dava is almost as if he heard Kakarot about his reckless piloting and he was like "who are you calling reckless pilot?!".

[@JoshuaVariell]

So short answer it's a gamble with most. However, machines like the RX-94 and F91 are safe for both. And this also possibly applies to the machines from After War and for All/Turn A. As in some of the Novels its states it gets a massive power boost from a new type.

[@magnatcleo2043]

Most of the mass-production newtype suits should be perfectly safe for oldtypes, if a bit less functional than usual. The real danger is the suits that have systems for boosting oldtype performance to match newtypes.

[@McLeod917]

There is also the Amakusa from the Jupiter Empire. it goes from a nt bio brain to a standard cockpit for regular pilots. Its performance is a bit limited but its also less specialized.

[@renashi0127]

This is a very good question, actually. It did remind me that if you reverse the question or modified abit... what if a Newtype pilot an Anti-Newtype unit. There is this game I played in the PSP Emulator, Gundam Battle Universe, which is part of the Gundam Battle operation series, did prevent any Newtype from piloting the Blue Destiny series. And of course, you can't pilot a Newtype MS if you are an old type. I can only guess why NT can't use an anti-NT, but I do wonder what if you put a Newtype in an MS whose purpose, is to eliminate NT?

[@jetblackangelX]

You just described the RX-0 The unicorn, banshee, and phenex are built with the Newtype Destroyer or NTD system. Designed to identify and eliminate enemy newtypes. The system has two major flaws 1. It can't differentiate between a newtype or cyber newtype 2. A NT or CNT is required to be the pilot, an oldtype will die from the strain of using it if activated for more than a minute. The irony isn't lost on the people who built it. Needing a newtype to make the anti newtype system work.

[@Aichi1138]

When thinking of the Alex, its actually kind of interesting to see that as the generations of MS pilots went by, Regular pilots developed OYW newtype grade reaction speed so give the Alex to someone of Banagher Links era and they could pilot it as easily as they would a regular Mass produced MS of that time

[@heavyarms55]

Wait, people thought Emma was in unit 1 at the start of Zeta? How did people get that idea?

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Unless it was in Zeta Define manga where Kamille hijacking Unit 1 and Emma ended piloted Unit 3

[@TTen-schir53b9]

An old type can't pilot a psycommu system equipped MS Well, there are exemptions It's just like in SRW games The most that old type can use is a pseudo-psycommu weaponry like the INCOM

[@LagunaShirogane]

One good example of a Newtype vs an Old Type in a complex machine is the X105 Strike Gundam from Gundam Seed and it's numerous variants such as the Strike Rouge (just a recolored Strike Gundam with slightly different backpacks), the Akatsuki, and the Strike Noir. The Strike Gundam, along with it's sister units, was built to be able to allow Naturals (Old Types in CE) to battle at the same level as Coordinators (Newtypes in CE). After Kira obtained the Freedom Gundam, the Strike then passed on to Mu La Flaga who was an Old Type aka Natural. La Flaga was able to move quite well and fight at the same level as many ZAFT pilots but some would argue that La Flaga was talented and gifted for a Natural and isn't a fair pilot to compare with when you're trying to compare to an average Natural like Kira's sister Cagalli. But for the Strike and its other variants to be operable by Naturals, they had to "dumb" the OS down as Kira, along with the ZAFT pilots who stole the other 4 Gundams, had to rewrite the OS to make the suits operable and at max efficiency of its capabilities. As Mu La Flaga stated about the Strike and Kira rewriting the OS, Kira had made the MS impossible for a Natural to handle it in it's current state despite its performance in the hands of a Coordinator.

[@Gaarafan007]

What about similar ideas in alternate universes? Gundam 00: Innovator machine piloted by a regular human? Gundam SEED: Natural piloting a Coordinator machine, or someone without high-spacial awareness piloting a machine designed for someone who does? etc, etc...

[@ZeroDarkness-]

Seed as long as Advanced Computer like 8 existed Anyone can piloted COORDINATOR machines

[@seabookarno1664]

00: It would be same with UC: you can pilot the MS fine, but you can't use the Innovator-use weapons without some assistance SEED: All MSs in CE have their OS and as long you can tune/change the Coordinator-use OS with Natural one, Natural can pilot Coordinator MS like GINN. Also in CE 73 most of DRAGOONs fitted with quantum computer assistance which made non-spatial awareness character can use them, but still they who have spatial awareness can control them better. One of the first instance was Chaos Gundam's gunbarrels, and later in SEED Freedom when Athrun piloting SF Spec II.

[@clickenmanc2334]

I mean there’s always the exam/hades system which(I believe) you can switch on and off(it’ll still fuck over old or new type tho)

[@GundamMeister807]

Good and infomative lore video as always. But you forgot the MSN-001X Gundam Delta Kai and it's Nitro system which can grant cyber newtype powers to an oldttype pilot.

[@dimaslounge12]

Lore request: gundam series that take place in another planet like Mars, Jupiter, Venus, etc.

[@dimaslounge12]

Will humanity will ever live or colonized other planet?

[@bakl3467]

Gundam ibo and its side story urdr hunt mainly. Wfm, 00, AGE, bulid diver do have characters or alien live in other planets

[@ZeroDarkness-]

​@@bakl3467Build Divers shouldn't be count as it's not real world since it was basically VR MMO

[@Kira22558]

Crossbone series has jupiter. F90 series literally has current stories taking place in Mars. Ibo has interplanetary adventures.

[@VacadoRay]

2:21 gotta appease the machine spirit of the "Alex" shes like a bucking bronco/bull u gotta treat her nice buy her dinner

[@aominese]

I could be wrong, but wasn't there a non psycommu variant of the psyco gundam in the Turn A Gundam novel?

[@MarxMayhem]

8:21 Jerid's head popped off.

[@TheKusa5]

Zeta Gundam is brutal as fuck with some of its in between frames

[@andagean]

Jerid would have become a newtype if Kamille stopped getting in his way. Good edit with the Jerid bit. I always felt he had potential as a Newtype but is undermined by his stubborn attitude/obsession with Kamille. Of course him being put into the Baund Doc (so maybe this was a test?), He exudes enough "pressure" in the Byarlant that Haman feels and comments on it, and he himself has newtype sense moments lol but I'd put him near the bottom of new type abilities. "not officially a newtype" is about right.

[@kjlim3743]

Hey kakarot! When you happen to do one of these videos again, I do have a couple of questions that I hope you might be able to answer. 1. Just how useful were the Zeon marine mobile suits, and would've Zeon been better off without them (i.e. focus more on ground and aerial mobile suit production for the war effort on earth)? 2. (This might a loaded one in hindsight) What exactly is the power scale of the mass production mobile suits that we see from UC 0079-0087 (The Gryps War)? Is there a (or some) "benchmark" mobile suit(s) that we can use to measure the performance of the other MP MS? Especially the mobile suits featured in 0080, 0083 and Zeta. I hear a lot about how the Titans/EFF mass production mobile suits were incapable of putting up any fight against the AEUG, but were they actually any good even before mobile suit development ramped up again? Just how good were the Zeon suits under the UMP (and by extension those not part of fully part of it like the Zaku II F2 and the gelgoog marine) and could they still put up a fight with the EFF's MS in 0080/0083 or even in the Gryps War? Were the GM Type C and GM Quel better than the GM II and Hizack (and perhaps the Galbaldy Beta)?

[@kanrakucheese]

There's a series of PSP games with most suits from OYW to CCA (and F91 as a bonus suit) playable. From what I've seen of footage, the newer eras are just completely different games: OYW is a careful process of minimizing your ability to be targetted and making careful attacks on an enemy using an MS's very limited boost, while by late Zeta the player is ping-ponging off the map boundaries and can't stop or they'll be destroyed by enemy fire. Obviously not canon, but certainly a very interesting scaling.

[@rockvent918]

brain turned into mush or your entire body turned into mush? would you prefer to pilot a newtype mobile or the tallgeese?

[@wasdwazd]

Tallgeese, because its problems can be solved by either practicing some damn restraint on the throttle, or by having your mechanic down tune it so it doesn't kill you. Or if we're going by Wing Gundam logic, man up and train yourself to withstand those lethal G forces like Zechs and Treize did. It's also a pretty insanely capable mobile suit compared to most machines from UC, having armor that can withstand most beam weapons and full atmospheric flight.

[@TheWarmachine375]

It does sound familiar with Coordinators and their mobile suits designed for their use which Naturals would have trouble accessing it.

[@CD-Gaming]

I know my mate told me about how later on down the UC line, they rebuilt a lot of the older Mobile Suits and to their exact specs... including not only the Jagd Doga... but also its Fin Funnels, which, since there were no Newtypes around t pilot the thing, meant they were left baffled by those "strange cylinders on the shoulders"! And you say about game inconsistencies with Jerid, he can become a Newtype in the Dynasty Warriors Gundam games, although, he was already jus that good! It suddenly occurs to me he doesn't get as much recognition as he deserves... I mean, Dynasty Warriors Gundam 3 has a Mission where it points out that he and Char have piloted jus as many Suits as each other (and I believe Athrun has piloted as many as those two now, assuming my maths is correct), so you have skill and versatility! Mad respect, that man! Also, I didn't know that the Baund Doc was a Newtype Mobile Suit, so you learn somert new every day! Again, Jerid was jus that good! Imagine if he'd got a Mass Production Nu... Although, that does pose the question: Who has piloted the most Mobile Suits, Mobile Armours and Gundams? (Has Char ever piloted a Gundam? I don't think he has, has he?)

[@andylau5846]

I might be remembering wrong but I recall too much Psycho Frame in the cockpit can kill the pilot like the Dijeh (Char Aznable Custom) from The Return of Johnny Ridden manga. It has 1000 times more Psycho Frame than Qubeley.

[@ricardobeltranmonribot3182]

There is the MSN-04B Sazabi, that was just Sazabi without the psycho frame, and was able to perform as intended, since it was used in earth, the need of the funnels wasn't primordial, so depends of the MS

[@Xenobears]

My impression was that the pilot could use the basic mobile suit, but not the advanced new type-specific weaponry or features. Like an old type could pilot the Nu or the MP Nu, but not use the fin funnels. They would have to use the wire guided funnels instead. SRW Supports this interpretation, as you can put any UC pilot in any UC machine, but some weapons won’t be available if the pilot doesn’t have a sufficient new type skill level. IIRC, the MP Nu’s fin funnels require a lvl 4 new type at minimum to function, but the wire funnels optional pack could be used by anyone.

[@FiestadelChorizo]

QOTW: What mobile suit or mobile suits got the worst representation in anime compared to their capabilities? IE high performance ace machines that get easily dispatched

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

Char actually struggled with the Zeong. He never used it to its full potential. By the time Amuro made it into space, there weren't many veterans left to pilot the Gelgoog. As for a more specific games and manga only variation, the RF Gelgoog Charles Rochester Type. It met the wrong opponent on that day; it was made to fight the F-90 instead. Gundam Alex would've given Char some trouble if it had actually gotten to Amuro. While I'm not a fan of Seed Destiny's Saviour, it no doubt was stronger than Aegis. The Barzam are supposed to be mass produced Gundam MK2s basically. However, their strange original design and the way they were animated accidentally make them seem significantly smaller. I also don't remember them doing anything of significance in Zeta Gundam. It especially should be noted ReZeon quite liked using the Barzam. The on-screen pilots of the Graze Ritter for the majority of the time had to deal with the misfortune of a leader who was too fixated on honor. Anksha have good capability (and a cool design), but their on-screen performance was sad. The GM2 were outdated, but Zeta Gundam made them out to be really pathetic. The mass produced Guntanks didn't get to shine in 08th MS Team. They can hit plenty hard. Though at least their Thunderbolt UC-AU counterpart got to do more. You could make a similar argument for Guntank 2. The Ground GM don't get to do much onscreen. Keep in mind they're the beefier parents of the space capable GMs and were involved in invading Odessa. The 3rd generation Gundams made the Union Flag look bad.

[@magnatcleo2043]

@@tidepoolclipper8657 The Zeong also had the issue of being incomplete on top of Char not having much time to get used to it. As far as I can remember, he was also still new to having newtype powers as well. As for why the Barzam didn't get to do much, it suffered the same issue as the Gelgoog: being late to the party. However, the Barzam was so late that the Titans simply didn't get a chance to deploy many of them before the war ended. Some of the GM II units also had another problem, which is that they were slightly refurbished original GMs. The RMS-179 GM II is the new version and the RGM-79R is the updated old version. Essentially, Some of them were outdated, and some of them were really outdated.

[@alenofbellwood]

The last suits deployed by Axis Neo Zeon as they fell into civil war were nuts. If they stayed unified, stuff like the Doven Wolf would have butchered the EFSF. All hail Glemy Toto, savior of the Earth Federation!

[@tycondrius23]

ooooh I see the Zaku cannon there behind you ? I love that kit

[@chriss-wz9no]

What about the mass production gundam f91 and the crossbone gundam?

[@kristionlarsen-mx2kr]

Question: can the alaya vinjana be compatible with systems like the hades or transam?

[@tmsern4341]

QOTW: the most usefull Mobile Armor or mobile armors, that could make a difference if massed produced logically, Zeon has produced in your opinion, like the Bygro seems useful compared to the others that where built during the OYW. And more useful later on the Noe Zeal ?

[@christoph029]

I have question, why they not programming haro to control the funnel like cherudim and zabanya (haro control bits) ?

[@jetblackangelX]

Haros in UC are just glorified toys with no real function. Amuro built his to be a mobile computer, banagher modified his to be like the original. There are ai support systems like A.L.I.C.E.

[@heavyarms55]

I always assumed it was simply either the whole unit simply doesn't work, or that the Newtype specific components wouldn't work. Which seems to be it for most of them. I had forgotten about the Psycho Gundam because I always just assumed Four was the crazy one cause they experimented on her.

[@marcosdheleno]

2:52 you talking about yazan? because it looks like you are talking about yazan. as a side note, i find it hilarious how at the realization that the alex wasnt a newtype ms... it was a COORDINATOR ms instead...

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

Maybe we have potential new types pilots who have some new type traits or because the new types are the exception rather than the rule and majority of new types are low level hence why the exam system does not make nimbus and Kajima go mad was because they had some new type ability but given the equipment meant for new types are meant for the high standard set by Zeon in the one year war

[@wowkenshin1]

Here is a good follow up question to drag this out. Would alternate universe type mobil suits like burning gundam grom g gundam or wing zero from gundam wing qualify as a type of suit for new types since you needed a strong mind to pilot them sucessfully? Well, i suppose not so much for g gundam's case, but would heero yuey count as a newtype? And fir that matter, shiro yamada from 8th ms team. Would he count as a newtype? He pulls off some incredible feats

[@speedingcomets5549]

Here’s a question that I’ve had for a long time and your video here made me want to ask it. The psycho gundam is supposed to be controlled entirely by the psycommu system and it would be unusable by an old type or might even kill the old type. Could an old type pilot the psycho gundam if it were equipped with a quasi-psycommu system instead?

[@gregkun1]

From actual experience, take driving a car as an example. When you first start driving, you are nervous, and you can feel the car's weight as you turn, break, etc. Over the years of driving you lose that feeling as your senses become one with the car. I've talked to F1 drivers, Tank Drivers, and Airforce pilots it was the same for them. With that in mind. I would apply the same to MS pilots. The more responsive the MS is. Once the pilot gets over the fear and how fast it reacts you would be fine as an old type. Now when you start adding in technology that starts to affect brainwaves. That's a different story. As young developing minds can adjust to the brain tech better than a fully developed mind. I would say that every mind has maxed capacity. When the mind hits its limit. The pilot goes through an emotional breakdown and mind regression. If you are lucky. Alternatively, if you have psycho-frame materials you get absorbed.

[@arominized]

this is a good plotpoint, having and oldtype have a newtype awakening piloting a system

[@demomanchaos]

I have a question for you, two in fact. 1- Where did you get that awesome jacket? 2- How do the different grunt suits from different timelines compare to each other? For example, how would a Leo/Taurus/Virgo team perform during the One Year War or Zeta Gundam? Would also be interested in performance comparisons between main mobile suits (Like how far in the main timeline do we need to go to match the performance of Epyon or God Gundam).

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

That second question seems really interesting. Hopefully he can get around to that one day; perhaps in a dedicated video considering the potentially large topic. A couple of scenarios I see would be: (1) Unless an important named character piloted the Leo, then it will have a rough time against the more rugged Zaku 2. Gods forbid they came across the Zaku F2 or Zaku Kai. Although it would fare better against the Zaku 1 early on in the war. (2) The Virgo 1 and 2 are lethal drones. Having the Taurus would make their presence more potent. These two would be able to cause effective damage for much of the One Year war. Really, the biggest obstacle they'd have are the Gundam (along with RX-78-4 and RX-78-5) and Gelgoog. They wouldn't shine as much with Gryps Conflict, but they would endanger designs like the GM2, Nemo, Methuss, and Asshimar. (3) The original generation of GN-X would be enough to cause trouble for alot of mobile suits all the way up to Hathaway's Flash. Though their performance would fall behind by the time of Crossbone. No doubt you'd need the later generations at that point. (4) GuAIZ were shown to be plenty capable. They could go toe-to toe with multiple Gryps Conflict designs. They would not win against the Zeta Gundam or The-O, though. (5) The Graze family together could cause actual damage on the surface of planet Earth in the earlier parts of the One Year War; especially against the Zaku 2 Ground Type and Ground GM. (6) In a coming from UC to AU situation, a team of Qubeley Mass Productions, Doven Wolf, and Reben Wolf would be bad news early on for Gundam Seed and Gundam Age universes. As far as the main Universal Century and UC-AU suits being able to match the Tallgeese 3 and Burning Gundam; I say the F-90 type VSBR would be able to keep pace with Tallgeese 3. With Burning Gundam you'd want a suit good at close combat or have a strong effect. I think the Ghost Gundam with its improved Phantom Light (with it being a precursor to Victory 2's wings of light) can win. It also has flame weapons. In regards to AU major mobile suits to combat against UC major mobile suits; there's examples like Barbatos Lupus Rex against The-O, Raphael Gundam against Xi and Penelope Gundam, Gundam Age-FX against Gengaozo, and Leopard Destroy against Full Armor Double Zeta Gundam.

[@stephanvandermerwe1468]

QOTW: What do you think would happen if a newtype gundam ended up in a different universe, like halo or battletech heck what would happen if a whole ass Starship ended up on earth?

[@spartana1116]

This reminds me that i learned in gaia gear psycommu advance to where a oldtype can use it....for only 5 minutes before it starts turning the pilot's brain to meatloaf

[@strategical_defensive_maneuver]

Unicorn Gundam in a nutshell Pilot: Aight, the enemy is too stonk, what do NT-D: *Honda Beat instensifies* Pilot: Plz no I'm gonna be pressed down like an Asian Child with an 9.5 NT-D: *Accidentally kicks* Oops Report: Pilot deceased due to extenal forces.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Judging by how some Oldtype piloted the Psycho Gundam, no.

[@kakarot197]

That one comes with a very important asterisk

[@solaireofastora5999]

I always understood it as machines. Something like the Nu Gundam can be used by normal pilots/Oldtypes but they just can't access the tech that needs Newtype abilities like Fin Funnel or using the Psycommu. Specialized MS like Unicorn Gundam and it's sibling MS are special enough that it only accepts Newtypes

[@ShadowIsatis]

Chris had a hard time handling the Alex If I remember right. They kept telling her that the intended pilot could handle the crazy settings of the suit.

[@atomictoaster3393]

base: "this gundam can detect you if you are newtype or not" pilot: "oh nice, what happened if iam not a newtype" base: "it explode"

[@mohamadsufihaziq1692]

Hi, i got a question. How many mobile suits manufacturers are there in UC? I know there's companies like Anaheim, Zeonic and SNRI but then there's Titans who manufacture MS in house with backing from Earth Federation. Also, did Anaheim help produced Earth Federation mobile suits during OYW or that was entirely in house?

[@Kira22558]

1:I think at least 5, from Zeonic to buch foundation to jupiter to Bespa. 2:only after the War.

[@magnatcleo2043]

Zimmad and MIP are are some of the other companies related to Zeon, although MIP did more of the mobile armors than mobile suits. Anaheim wasn't heavily involved in mobile suits until after the One Year War ended, and they absorbed all of the former Zeon companies. Hervic wasn't a mobile suit manufacturer, but they did make the core fighter and its derivatives. The Earth Federation initially produced suits in house, but became more reliant on external manufacturers after the One Year War.

[@chassegallerie2910]

One thing that I don't understand about the Federation "not knowing" about New Types. They knew about the original charter, and knew what was written on it (Else, Syam Vist's blackmail wouldn't have worked) and, even if it wasn't clear that the "space-adapted human race", would be the New Type, wouldn't the federation always be on the look out for those people to either destroy them before they become common knowledge, or to use as weapons, and thus have advanced knowledge on them, even before Zeon "discovered" their existence?

[@AzraelThanatos]

It was less "not knowing" and more of not having a good grasp on the mechanics side of it there

[@Kira22558]

They literally had several attempts of making their NT machines before the ALEX. (the Rider series and Gm juggler.)

[@whiteraven1992]

Really depends on the specific machine in the end [rather than the inverse; depending on the pilot]. But it can also depend on whether the Oldtype "evolves" into a Newtype.

[@thatangelrey6659]

Ask someone who has played silver phantom I would like to add that whilst the main character "shave tail" did awaken to newtype powers at the end. They mostly piloted the delta zayin (a mobile suit specifically designed for a newtype, with psycho-frame on its shield) under the assumption that they were an oldtype

[@26th_Primarch]

For QotW: Was there ever any canon information on what happened to the Alex after 0080? If you covered this already in a video I've missed or forgot that I've already watched it (lol) I wouldn't mind a link to it.

[@ZChael]

So just a question in Gundam Seed Destiny what would happen if Kira is the one who would win at the battle of Freedom and Impulse, and how much it would change the story from that point on until the series final. Like how it'll affect Kira getting Strike Freedom or who would pilot the Destiny. Thank you

[@Heroduothecomedian]

How many variants of the double zeta are there and are they all the same for the most part or do some of them actually look different like the thetha (i think was it name) from moon gundam, is it a double zeta variant or is like a inbetween suit of the zeta and double zeta?

[@Kira22558]

Prototype ZZ. MASS PRODUCTION ZZ. THETA PLUS (THE ONE FROM MOON GUNDAM.)

[@seabookarno1664]

@@Kira22558 you forgot FAZZ

[@LuoSon312_G8]

would the Blue Destiny, Pale Rider, and Unicorn series count as Newtype MS? or Anti-Newtype?

[@TheHiddenBoss]

All three are supposed to be considered Anti-Newtype but the Unicorn ironically requires a Newtype to pilot it due to mental strain.

[@Kira22558]

​@@TheHiddenBossthe problem is,the G force ,you'll need drugs to pilot withstood it's speed.

[@Nomadic_Gaming]

i legit wanna see the hydra and any of the g unit manga suits show up in a build series or as dlc for breaker 4 those suits are awesome designs also would love them todo the psycho mk3 in uc engage that thing hasnt seen light of day since the old battle assault 1/2 games and the old card game that thing is another awesome design that could use some current day love

[@alfianfahmi5430]

I guess the feeling of an Oldtype getting some brain overload when piloting Psycho Gundam is like getting Springlocked from an old animatronic suit, but presumably with less blood 💀☠️

[@nexo42069]

"Don't pilot the psycho Gundam or any of it's descendants" got it so don't pilot the g doors or the moon Gundam

[@fernadogonzalez2940]

But .... i like the moon gundam

[@nexo42069]

@@fernadogonzalez2940 same but it's a descendant of the psycho Gundam (even though it's mostly varguil)

[@fernadogonzalez2940]

@@nexo42069 I’ll risk my hide then

[@scorpionvenom27]

Or dare I say the mp-type psycho

[@magnatcleo2043]

The Moon Gundam is probably fine, since it's just the head and weapons of a Psycho Gundam slapped onto a totally different mobile suit.

[@johnracicot706]

My question of the week is could a new type or cyber new type use the exam mobile suits like blue destiny unite or the efreet from mobile suit gundam blue destiny?

[@gundamwd1881]

14:24 Os Fin Funnil sendo só para decoração mas eles afetam o equilíbrio ,Nu Gundam poderia ser compatível com a mochila Incom da Versão Mass Prodution?

[@AFlyingEwok]

Would you do a video on the bot problem that's been affecting the P-Bandai USA site that's been preventing people from buying the TCG Beta among other things?

[@StoneCresent]

I would say that any mobile suit or armor meant for newtypes would by necessity need to be flyable by oldtypes. Newtypes and even cyber newtypes were never super common; thus, it's highly likely that oldtype pilots were needed to assist in test flights, validate system functionality, conduct ferry flights, or to fill in the ranks of units when newtypes were otherwise unavailable. It would also explain why psycommu and psychoframe units eventually became lost technology as there were never enough newtype pilots to achieve the critical mass or economies of scale needed to justify development and maintenance costs.

[@doujinloverXD]

You should do a video about the Jupiter Fleet

[@josepo513]

You know, I'm gonna stick with my good ol' GM, heck I may even get me a Stark Jagen and get an MRI to learn how to move funnel or something 😅😂😂

[@blademeiser]

something iv always been curious about in the gundam series, What happened to all of char's mobile suits on earth after he retreated to space with the rest of zeon?

[@jetblackangelX]

They were either assigned to other pilots or left in storage to rust away.

[@bazukasaurus]

QOTW: How exactly does an e-pac work? I know it’s a replaceable capacitor to power beam rifles, but that can’t be fully true, because if it was the Hizack should have no problems using its beam rifle and saber at the same time. Since the rifle shouldn’t need power from the reactor, also because the beam saber should be battery powered, and only draw power when stored. Only thing I can think of is that they need Minovsky particles from the reactor, but I don’t think they make particles, and they specifically say it’s about power output.

[@magnatcleo2043]

From what I understand, the E-pac mostly exists to eliminate the charging time a mega particle gun needs, and only stores the large amounts of condensed energy needed to create the beams. The mobile suit still has to provide energy to fire the beam. The problem with the Hizack is that it has a power output of 1428kW, which is only 38kW higher than what the original Gundam's reactor can do. The Hizack's replacement, the Marasai, has an output of 1790kW, to say nothing of the Gundam Mk.II having a 1930kW output.

[@96crashban]

Wait, why didn’t he bring up the n_i_t_r_o system on the Delta Kai?

[@Kira22558]

Probably cuz he never heard about it?

[@96crashban]

@@Kira22558 he brought up the Delta Plus, I thought that would have been a segue to the Kai. In fact I didn’t even know the Delta Plus had a bio sensor in it, so I thought he would bring it up

[@magnatcleo2043]

@@96crashban It's probably because that's not really a newtype use suit, as much as it is a suit that forcefully converts the pilot into a newtype.

[@seabookarno1664]

because n_i_t_r_o is derivative of EXAM and HADES, not from psycommu system.

[@NotMyRealName6]

I'd like to see this question applied to the AUs. What happens if someone without that AU's "X Factor" tries to pilot a mobile weapon specifically designed for said "X Factor"?