Can Drivers Cars Get Any Better? [S7, E17]

[@sterlingsilver320]

If your wife doesn't like the new X3, don't just go out and buy her one anyway. That's just awful relationship advice lol. If the older one is what she wants, then get her that. The last thing you want while you're at a Ferrari press launch in sunny Mallorca is for your wife to be in rainy Britain on the M4 with a screaming baby struggling to work out the aircon screen in a car you effectively forced her into.

[@nickyt6498]

Literally 2 menus screens.

[@andrewhurstcars]

If Tony had ticked the M Driver’s Pack box when ordering his M3, he could have got the top speed. Also Chris Harris said that you can’t order a new 296 anymore.

[@thamil1365]

Chris Harris is stupid.

[@peterh407]

You can order 296 GTB and GTS from the factory but you can’t order SF90s any more as there is a new one coming soon plus it’s production is being moved to the new factory Ferrari have built for evs and hybrids

[@andrewhurstcars]

@@peterh407 the latest is that 296 is no longer available to order new. Listen to the Chris Harris car podcast.

[@kevinhodge5952]

Re touch screens, I hired a new Range Rover for a week last month and everything being controlled via the screen was a nightmare to navigate and meant taking your eyes off the road making it even more dangerous just to change the volume or adjusting heating/AC. Give me buttons all day long!

[@rebelranter]

The first short should be Tony in shorts!

[@jamesskudder9009]

I prefer your original version of the "Stock Watch" theme!

[@ScottZ370]

Tony definitely just made up there was a 155mph law specifically to the UK and then back tracked 😂

[@Car10121-s]

Indeed. He’s definitely not as clued up as he’d like people to believe.

[@MegaHussain17]

Sam, there is a 71 plate Alpina D3 at Anthony James Cars Ltd for £55,995 in Alpina Green Metallic over tan interior

[@kieranscrutton6037]

He already knows about it

[@Phoon996]

Surprised you did not touch on the new W1 from McLaren! Interested to hear what people think about it. Personally Im not sure the looks are as I wished? they would be. Sure it will be a monster either way!

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Most likely next time, it probably happened after the recording? I thought it was just me who was underwhelmed by the W1. It looked like any other McLaren, even worse from the proportions, HP is ok like anybody else, ok I liked the classic orange. No breakthrough, nothing significant different at least that I can see. 2km range electric? C´mon..

[@Phoon996]

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 maybe the timing was off, yes. Absolutely, from a visual and “wow” factor pov, that car is massively underwhelming. Its a Rimac Nivera from the front and a wilder looking 765LT from the back imo! Okay driving wise, it will probably be the insane. It would be interesting to see where McLaren themselves pitch this car, because to me it should be a Valkyrie / AMG ONE rival, but will it be?

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@Phoon996 Well the Valkyrie is a design project from the best F1 designer of all times, it looks awesome - but it's not useable for a normal driver. The AMG - One is really wow - but very complicated to live with, it's a good daily driver but you need to put in plenty of maintenance. I like the idea of the holy trinity 2.0 - so let's see the new Ferrari hypercar and Porsche. I am not sure if Porsche will stilly deliver a hybrid hyper car or direct EV only.

[@mjrowden]

I think so many people are going to change their views on the looks when they see it in the flesh and in different colours. Nonetheless, they’re all sold so nobody else’s opinion really matters. They’ll be incredible drivers cars.

[@NightfallDrives]

Glad to see the tours have been a success chaps 👍 There will always be demand for drivers' cars, it’s up to the manufacturers to be smart about how they achieve it. Lately there are mixed results (looking at you, 2.5 ton new M5…)

[@flavioc5389]

7:04 no, it’s not about regulations. It’s an old “gentlemen’s agreement” among the German manufacturers to limit possible tire failures after eventual long hours of driving at >250km/h. When engineering the tire, speed, load, and the combination of the two over longer periods of time, are factors considered. A requirement to sustain high speed plus longer periods would dramatically increase the price of the tire. That’s why “hypercars” tires cost so much more.

[@manman464]

2010 - 2020 hands down the best era of cars, peak engineering with peak tech not much more to add.

[@simonsauter3229]

My clapped 2009 Audi A3 six speed manual feels like the ultimate especially leave the pub on Friday 😂

[@mariooldeland727]

slight correction gents, the 155/250 limit is, yes an agreement between the 3 Germans, but its imposed internationally, not limited to the UK. Here in Germany all the cars have the limit at 250 klicks :)

[@nonamenameless5495]

That s simply wrong, you can order performance packs (each manufacturer calls them differently) unlocking a higher top speed...they just take more money for it so the original gentleman s agreement turned into a cash cow. "All the cars", hell no, Porsche never was part of this agreement, fastest I drove mine was 282 real sat nav kmh and according to my car papers its max speed is 293kmh. Some also sell their performance packs with the option of a track day package.

[@mariooldeland727]

@@nonamenameless5495 yes this is true but as a base all cars from Audi, Mercedes, BMW & Volkswagen. However not all of these "packages" fully delimit the cars. Which companies do what in detail, I don't know.

[@armingholami28]

The stock watch song was absolutely perfect. I love it 👍🏼🔥

[@nfsdanz]

Yes, we have reached the peak for ICE cars. Chris Harris recently said on his podcast that the best era for cars was 2010-2018. I'm inclined to agree with him. 2018 saw the introduction of GPF filters which reduced exhaust noise. This coincided with the EU's Regulation introduced in 2016 which phased in tighter noise limits over a 10 year span (I suspect these regs are why the Ferrari 12 Cylinder now has reduced noise whereas the 812 managed to get away with it). Euro NCAP has pushed for more and more safety features to be included as standard on cars, this has pushed up the weight and complexity of modern cars. Worst still, General Safety Regulations 2 (GSR2) has impacted the viability of low cost sports cars and this is what killed off the Toyota GR86. From July 2024, all new cars have to be fitted with a speed limiter system - Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA). We also have Euro 7 emissions regs coming in Nov 2026 which will affect the kinds of drivers cars available (and this coincides with the ZEV mandate which demands a higher percentage of EV's are sold every year until 2030 and then again in 2035.). I get Tony's point about consumer pressure having an impact on the direction of car development but it is also important to remember that car development cycles take a long time - it is not easy for a car company to simply pivot back to what it was doing before- even if they want to. Plus, car companies don't have the confidence to invest any significant amounts in ICE as the EU keeps moving the goal posts. Is it really safe to invest billions into a new ICE engine when the EU might pull the plug on it at any point? I suspect all we're going to see for the remainder of the ICE (for the most part- Toyota might surprise us) is revised versions of existing models using existing platforms/engines. Taking into account the factors above, I reckon: 2010-2018 = ICE drivers cars at peak 2019-2026 = ICE drivers cars on the decline (choices dwindle but what is left on the market is still very good - albeit hamstrung by regs) 2027 onwards = ICE drivers cars well past peak with a small number of exceptions at the high end supercar/hyper car market

[@BROWITT2010]

I know it's forgotten about in the world of SUV's but I've recently purchased an Audi A4 Avant S Line, 40TDI. It has a mix of touchscreen for car play/Android auto, but also physical buttons for climate and driving modes. They're a bargain under £30k. Have efficiency driving modes, big boot, comfortable, easy to drive and look mega in my eyes and does 45-50mpg+ easy

[@johnnyboy1586]

If I was in the market for a high end preformance car I would go down the restomod path where you get the best of both worlds,analog,classical looks,switche toggles and dials,while having modern handling and performance 😊

[@ng3746]

Apparently, Tony's son is Jay from the inbetweeners!

[@aaronmastrogiacomo6078]

Regarding touch screens, i went from I drive 7 to the new Ix1 with I drive 9, but no dial. Turns out the lack of buttons isn't too much of an issue. The steering wheel controls with the HUD make it simple to control, the a/c controls are barely touched and voice control helps.

[@vandit83]

Miss you singing stock watch, always made me chortle. 😂

[@GazMoby]

The early 2010s was and will always be the peak car time. Discuss.

[@mikeymike.1913]

It's possible to make cool drivers cars, like personally if I were creating a new drivers car I'd ask to create a low cc but high cylinder count light sports car. I.e a 2.2 liter v10 in a light car with hydrolic steering and a manual gear box. Maybe chuck a supercharger or turbo on there too if you fancied getting crazy spicy. But that's not gonna happen. They'd say too much money to spend on research and development or that we can get the same performance out of some boring 4 cylinder with a turbo. (no shit). Performance isn't everything

[@roydevans]

Speciale, case closed

[@pauln0371]

The new X3 is bloody hideous..🤮🤮🤮

[@Hali88]

everyone seems to be hating on the catchy new jingle, I like it

[@stephenlane9168]

Always watch your KZbin releases each Thursday 👌👏

[@matthewyoung3942]

Lads I'm not a mimiute in yet and I can already say we're way past peak driving cars. I reckon we're 10 years past it. I know Tony says modern stuff is the only way but in terms of driving and I mean proper driving that requires skill, reactions and 'feeling a car' it's gone in modern stuff. Yes the latest stuff is faster but speed and power doesn't necessarily translate into driving pleasure and reward.

[@DonBarracuda117]

I hate touch screen just like piano black interiors. Unfortunately for me I have naturally oily skin, everything just ends up covered with finger prints and smudges. It's an absolute nightmare when you are also a little OCD

[@BollocksToThat]

Not everyone is oily and mentally ill though

[@DonBarracuda117]

@@BollocksToThat 😂

[@benpenagonzales6014]

I’ve got agreement with big car, little car, toy car and that’s all goodwill spent!

[@heales73]

Gentleman's agreement on motorbikes is 186mph 😂

[@DonBarracuda117]

couldn't imagine anything more scary

[@natbarron]

Sam, I’ve never owned a car newer than 7 years old. My wife has never owned a car that is newer than 7 years old. My son (3) has never been driven in a car that is newer than 7 years old. We haven’t died. We’ve never had any issues. We drive A-B fine. We can connect our phones to the car Bluetooth. In fact, we have been able to upgrade the stereo unit to apple car play. The buttons on the steering wheel are simple and basic. Take your head out of your arse mate 😂Give your wife what she needs!

[@Arletts98]

Imagine Ferrari relaunching the Dino brand with a new lightweight sportscars that could enter in the lately vacant Porsche cayman/boxster segment (due to the company decision to go EV on those products). Maybe this car could have around 400/500 hp a manual gearbox and some mild hybrid things just to pass the regulations. Like a new entry level Ferrari that could be actually way more driveable than the old California of 2009

[@DarkDeath-yg7nv]

we recently replaced our main family car, having had our previous one for 15 years and 265,000 miles i had certain requirements that included not electric and must have physical buttons to control radio and air con took a while but we found something

[@helmetculture]

13:00 is the funniest shit i have ever consumed on youtube ever LMFAOOOOOOOOO i love tony so much

[@sp00ky1969]

Dangerous to use a screen on your phone while driving but no problem using a screen to adjust the air conditioning while you’re driving… Personally, I prefer buttons and I think over-reliance on screens creates a dangerous distraction.

[@jlo1169]

i literally sold my 24 m3 for a 23 x5m because of the no buttons thing. it drove me crazy!!!!!!! i agree with the wifey on this one

[@callamrain4372]

Just a little shoutout to Lexus if you fancy getting vicky one, I had the little suv as a courtesy car earlier in the year and it was amazing. Felt very very premium for the price, it was great on fuel like 55/60mpg (very slow, but who cares) I’m going to trade my gf’s t-roc in for one next year

[@dougmarshall5800]

Vw has gone back - in relation to the terrible haptic buttons on their steering wheels. Reverted back to proper buttons on the steering wheel. Vw listened to the public 😮

[@pauln0371]

Chances are with Ferrari just opening the new BEV factory at Maranello the replacement for the 12 Cilindri will probably be fully BEV rather than a Hybrid...

[@mattpage6089]

@sam, there’s a green and tan Alpina D3 estate on autotrader for 55.9k with 21.5k miles!

[@stevehavenhand7813]

Reference Ferrari 296 lucky to have one and now done over 8000 miles fault free love the car and tech

[@DonBarracuda117]

Thoughts on the W1?

[@ticonow2771]

Do you have to be a patreon to get marital advice from Tony?

[@decepticonstinger3150]

40:37 Look at that 720S😍😍

[@CarsofGlasgow]

The sf90 has been out 4 years now so if it’s still not working

[@christopherklanica4155]

For the clips I’d like to see what makes Sam tick. Family, kids, daily runaround.

[@DJ_Shenanigan00]

You guys should record a episode of rate my ride on every tour you do

[@stevepeary5322]

Is it just me or does the Ferrari 12 cyl front look a bit like the Rover SD1 ?

[@1961Password]

Car manufacturers have been able to rely on 'accepted' built in obsolescence, rust, wear and tear, technological advances and to a degree legislation, to drive market share and growth. As vehicle performance, longevity and efficiencies have improved there is generally less differentiation in the mass car market diminishing drivers for change and growth, couple that with youthful ambivalence to driving and that probably leads to a very challenging time ahead for mainstream manufacturers which they might possibly avoid by changing fuel to H2 or similar which could re-start the sector.

[@WilliamStevens007]

Buy the lady the car she want's, If she doesn't want touch screens don't buy the shite.

[@jamiegoddard1899]

Nico Leonard the watch guy would give you a contrary opinion on Ferrari ownership. Although I believe he is partially culpable for his situation it can’t be denied that his 812 GTS is a Friday afternoon special and Ferrari are not sorting it out🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sambeard6712]

Completely agree with you both I think cars of today have hit they’re peak and manufactures need to really start thinking about what to do to continue to infuse customers, all new cars are the same, perfect, streamline like u said no personality anymore

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Andrew Frankel's review of the Ferrari puts the car in a better context than Henry did.

[@markcooper770]

I feel that there's no point in more power, enough is enough, the technology is managing all that power and the technology is so clever but the engineers are at the same time killing the soul of the cars. We don't need more power, we need more character. If we look at the market for restored and tuned Porsche 930's and 964's the orders are for cars that are not over powered, are analogue and have character. Less is often more.

[@lexthompson5580]

X235I brand new good spec is the car to buy

[@alimohammed4709]

Not the first time a Henry didn’t like Ferrari

[@downshiftpedal]

No, there’s no law to limit speed in Germany to 155mph My gti clubsport is 171 mph top speed

[@gazzabrownhigh8891]

Huracan Tecnica is the last N/A V10 supercar and the one to have. Best and rarest Lamborghini Huracan

[@CarsofGlasgow]

On Rory’s video I watched that too, did I miss it, but I don’t remember him mentioning the price increase or weight 🤔

[@JayDee-b5u]

He mentioned it feels heavy.

[@SpontaneousEvolution]

Get the Alpina!

[@andreimadalinneagu]

I don’t see Vicky’s comments yet on the x3 stuff 😂

[@Lukey-jy4ez]

Pretty sure most ECU tuners can remove the top speed limit..

[@ianmikael]

Have the first gen X7 M50d. Love it. 2 months ago 1 (of the 4!) turbos failed and took out the whole engine. Got it back yesterday and want to replace it with… same gen X7. Because the facelift looks crap from the front, steering wheel doesn’t have heating button anymore (in screen menu) and also not the ACC distance buttons (also in screen). Plus, the stupid X7 interior lighting arrows in front of the passenger. And the climate is in the screen. And the turning lights flash in the style of old light bulbs. All terrible. No thanks. First gen X7 with petrol it is.

[@andygtv]

Plugging the VW Porsche he hates😂

[@mackas69]

Enjoyed it, but SO many ads in this episode....😞

[@rebelranter]

I agree with the comment that modern cars have gotten so good that they are boring. First cars that I drive that this was true for me were the Audi TTRS and 992 Turbo S, unbelievable cars, really capable, but I thought both were too good, they both felt like PlayStation! I felt I’d never get in trouble in either, fun cars are the ones that “could”, in theory kill you! Nail in the coffin is the latest no button trend for sure. Autonomous cars will be the next big joy killer for us.

[@diegodivers]

We are definitely over the peak now. Cars may get faster (with 800hp plus) but not more fun anymore. Regulations and restrictions have gone to far now. Nanny-Systems are taking over. It is a computational driving today anyway. Interior quality is also on the way down ( e.g. the X3). Huge touchscreens are omnipresent, generic and annoying to operate .Cars are to heavy, especially EVs. And on top, in my country traffic is getting worse every year, speed limits are going down to waking speeds and there are speed traps everywhere.

[@benpenagonzales6014]

30d is perfect it’s the 6 cylinder. 30i is the 4 cylinder

[@joshwilliams6849]

Got an i5 touring impending (waiting for the yet another recall to be sorted) but yeah the msport pro is purely cosmetic and really not very nice. I don't like the black on black grill look and I really don't get why anyone would want red calipers over blue or black. £3.5K for black plastic gill, red calipers and stripy seatbelts. You do get the 20's rather than 19's but just add them on for £900ish.

[@Driver_88]

Funny how many issues there are with 296 and SF90s, Yet no owners properly take Ferrari to task on KZbin about it because they are too scared.

[@JayDee-b5u]

Rory said its heavy too. Why dance around it?

[@stevepeary5322]

Don’t waste your money on the BMW. Solution: Wife, Panamera. Sam, Porsche GT3. Job done 😂

[@LüksSosyalizm]

AI jingle 🤮 I don't ever criticise you gents but this is a misstep. I'm sure a listener would have loved to do a jingle for you, especially with your falsetto, disco esque "stock watch" vocals, Sam :)

[@LüksSosyalizm]

If I can liken it to a car with fake vents and fake exhaust tips, it cheapens your product and damages your brand by association with inauthentic adornment.

[@tr1cksone]

Jumping on trends is unfortunately essential in today’s day and age when it comes to running a business.. something I’m assuming you have never done 😬

[@LüksSosyalizm]

@@tr1cksone why assume that? I'm a company director, not that anything I said above would suggest one way or another.

[@ednash3571]

Totally agree. Sam has the money to afford a decent recording of the jingle.

[@TheAudiR8Fan]

I just went to see the new X3 in person, the part I can’t get over is the interior quality is actually very cheap, especially the door grab and window switch area, which is a very high touch point, is awful cheap hard plastic that just doesn’t belong on a BMW. There was a X1 M35 next to the X3 and its interior felt much nicer, I personally would rather have a last gen X3.

[@newtypena]

The BMW is FREAKING HIDEOUS!! Jesus...they are just going downhill with every new model. You could not pay me to be seen in that thing.

[@bobdidit55]

Think you’ll be a bit disappointed in the growth from shorts. Many other channels have said they are a waste of time.

[@MarcSob22]

Even the chassis on the 12Cilindri is different from the 812, it's not the same as the F8 and 488, it's a very different car in many areas!! Love that car! The 296 has no problems, there are several with high km, 17 for sale in the UK is nothing special, Ferrari has already sold more than 3000 units of that car!

[@G1installs]

Not 17 for sale. Its 70! For sale

[@MRVSKIN]

The technology is great but for driving. All these screens are just a distraction. I would go for the 812 every day over its replacement.

[@mattsmith429]

Should have got a Landy instead 😉

[@mladenradinovic2290]

"I ordered new X3!" Comment and exit video

[@edmurth]

Pretty sure BMW gives you the option to derestrict, can’t remember the name of the option though.

[@del21trotter]

M Drivers Package 😂

[@denisspratt926]

Yes and so does Audi and Mercedes. Porsche has never been a part of that agreement.

[@edmurth]

@@denisspratt926 you've got to hand it to them, they've turned a gentlemen's agreement into a paid option.

[@pr33tu_]

Sam nooooo the new x3 is hideous

[@MM-xr6tz]

296 lacks soul. Not many want one, the ones that do buy them then get rid.

[@aviator-kn8zq]

It’s because of the depreciation. It’s a great Ferrari

[@flavioc5389]

Sam, the pronunciation is wrong. 😁 "12" in Italian is DOdici (emphasis on the "do"), not doDIci like you are saying. 😅 In English it would be something like DO-dee-tchee, with the "dee" and the "tchee" pronounded very fast.

[@gothychris]

17:18 yessssss!! Stock watch!!

[@liamgell]

noooooo to shorts. I hate it clogging my sub box.

[@paulsalter3099]

All new cars are suffering because of Euro 6 they are trying to run to lean for emissions.

[@spent808]

batteries in anything = depreciation

[@Neil2022]

Do people actually watch shorts? I cannot get away with them….but if it helps get more regular views fill your boots

[@Lukey-jy4ez]

I don’t think to many people that “watch shorts” watch anything longer than 2 minutes. But yeah, if help the machine, go for it

[@12point131]

Was going to post something similar, the audience of Behind the Glass seems to be older and more sophisticated than the avg Tik Tok viewer with a short attention span.

[@th3orist]

To offer an answer to the thumbnails question, i think yes because also logic of tech evolution dictates it. Now the whole ai thing is starting to grow which is the next logical step after the manual, human controlled stuff. Ai can only take off when the phase before reached its peak so it can morph into its next form.

[@rickran1647]

I’m pretty sure that the gentlement’s agreement about top speed is only applied in Japan, where all japanese market cars, even an LFA or a GTR, is limited to 180 km/h. Germans limit their cars to 250 km/h (from what i’ve heard) is to minimize damage and wear on some components in order to maintain the car’s health (CMIIW there)

[@michael4563]

literally

[@nahidrahman]

12C 12C 12C 12C 12C 37:20

[@badgerservices9665]

Fed up of this boring take that ICE is doomed. Look around. Innovation continues. EVs are the cars going down because everyone is finally waking up to the fact that they are not the future as promised by every clueless car commentator.

[@eugenux]

they could be a good solution for city driving(but not better than ultra efficient public transport); I could also consider them, in the future, as driver's car..but, not unless I will have 3 pedals and a stickshift.

[@JayDee-b5u]

The mist br paid shills or government slappies.

[@Rhowhat]

Go back to the old stock watch theme, say no to AI generated music!

[@williamdawson3641]

Sam on the topic of replacing your 992 GT3, what about a GT3 Touring, 2nd hand they don't go for much more than the 'standard' model variant. We know you had your eyes on them and it was an issue of allocation, could now be a good time?

[@-LK34-]

He wouldn’t replace his brand new specced by him car for one the exact same but used and specced by someone else, just because it has no wing

[@neilturner6749]

But they’re essentially the same car (992.1 GT3 and GT3T). Why change?

[@Natak222]

There's an option to upload shorts without notifying your subscribers, better to do that instead of alienating notification subscribers

[@veemacks7255]

You wouldn't catch me replacing my 2019 X3 with a 2024 X3. It's worse in all the ways. More annoying tech. Less buttons. Uglier than the previous model in my opinion. I can't imagine ever buying a car newer than around 2021/2022 ish.

[@garethjones9450]

Tony I am digging out Ferrari with ya what the fuck they doing car manufacturing and F1 team

[@gc12gladiator]

Ferraris are known to be unreliable contrary to Lamborghinis

[@ricsu3462]

Ferrari needs to make a NA V12 that’s midengine and not 1M plus. New gen of buyers don’t want front engine gt boomer looking cars, that’s why they are all buying lambos v12s. Regular doors, downsize the v12, make it cheap whatever to not compete with sp3 or laferrari replacements..that’s the way to extend the life of the v12s not adding a battery to it. Ferrari lost its way these days. 296 is awesome driver but no one wants it, I wouldn’t buy one until it’s 250k or so

[@Jackjhumphries7]

The way the roads are with speed restrictions, speed cameras lower speeds of 20 mph average speed cameras ,no car zones it won’t be worth buying a car in 10 years