Can Fossils Last Millions of Years? | The Creation Podcast: Episode 16

Can current dating methods determine exact age assignments? How long can soft tissues last? And does the Bible explain why we should expect to find soft tissues in fossils?
Host Ivana Semidey discusses the scientific explanations of decay rates, secular dating assignments, and the implications of original biochemicals with ICR Research Scientist and Paleobiochemist Dr. Brian Thomas in Episode 16 of The Creation Podcast.
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[@ralvis22]

I'm glad people are talking about the different types of fossils and what makes them a "fossil". I've never understood how it could still be a fossil when there hasn't been mineralization. I'd love to see this discussion grow throughout the earth science communities.

[@davidadelaere2433]

As an engineer, I really like scientific reasoning. I very recently had an open talk with my daughter, who does not believe in God nor creation, and is being taught about evolution in her first year as a Bio-engineer at university. So I am glad I can reach to her articles like these, from someone who knows much more about this stuff then I do, being an engineer in construction. So very happy for your interview, and I subscribed immediately to your channel. Good work!

[@smgibv4393]

Also trigger her reflection of God. Atheïst delusion is a good documentairy for this. Also Ray comforts 10 commandments approach to appreciate and value the cross. And the case for Christ movie. Reason wont be enough. Its the love of the world/sin and to keep comfortable in there.

[@marculatour6229]

@@smgibv4393 God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman. I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs, but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

She it taught evolution because it is the best explanation for the facts surround speciation.

[@marculatour6229]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu Someone say: "I know that the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob created me from the dust of the earth, Amen." Maybe some of us get a little too much of this dust in their brains. Creationists are humans who have not yet reached the level evolutionists have arrived as "Real Human". Maybe in a two million years they will reach this level of mature. But they stuck in evolution, because they read such funny things like the bible. Ohnfitzgerald wrote: "The Bible is a collection of children's bedtime stories that parents would tell them. Later, The Brothers Grimm would do the same, travelling the countryside, writing down the stories that they could learn from the many people of Europe." Maybe in a two million years they will reach this level evolutionists reached yet in evolution. But not everyone can reach this age. An exeption maybe is Jesus. But he has another problem. His resurrection did not take place until a few days after his death. He will probably smell and look like a zombie. And to run around allmost 2 million years as a zombie is not that fine. Only to can be called as "Real Human". Creationist are the evolutionists of tomorrow. It's amazing what funny conclusions a creationist's brain can come to. Did you know that for them we live on a flat earth?

[@Gigatechi7]

Ask your daughter to bring you a fossil of an animal in the process of change from one KIND of animal to another KIND of animal. They teach the kids about evolution and claim we come from cells, then fish , lizzards , monkeys, and finally humans. There is ZERO fossils to back this theory up , but so many try to push this as a fact. Evolution never happened. God created Adam and Eve in the beginning along with all the animal Kinds we did not evolve the way scientists brainwash kids to believe.

[@agapeindia777]

Thankyou. Love from India, Punjab State. Most of the young people here need this kind of information. Would be my pleasure to be the voice of ICR here through these teachings. Praising God for ICR Ministry.

[@MrShowwoff]

Thank you, great questions that are essential to understand the fundamental assumptions of dating. Nobody is talking definitively about what is going on "under the hood." I appreciate this interview.

[@offthefront7537]

Certainly nobody in these videos.

[@thomasshannon6472]

My wife and I have enjoyed several ICR events presented in various venues, including ICR's Discovery Center for Science & Earth History. We have met several of ICR's scientists and appreciated them and their presentations. So, it is very nice to see them again "in person" in these interesting and informative podcasts.

[@jonnyindianajd]

I first was exposed to ICR in 1988 by my dear pastor Larry McCain and his wife Betty at Trinity Baptist in Arcata California. My early years of disciplines in discipleship would never have complete without John Morris and his work in God. Bless you all, thank uouso deeply. Without this work fromthesepersoectives of 40 years plus, the kingdom of God would not of become what The intended by this day.

[@kimfleury]

Having grown up being taught that Genesis is an allegory intended to focus on God as the Creator, therefore allowing us to accept the secular dating methods and understanding of evolution, I just accepted that explanation. It was one of my college biology instructors who made me pause to think about it. He taught evolution, but prefaced that section with the stipulation that it's not possible to go back in time to observe anything, and so that requires the development of hypotheses. If evidence is gathered that supports the hypothesis, then it can be called a theory, but really, the Theory of Evolution is just the best explanation we have for how life came into existence naturally, without a god creating it. I later figured out by deduction that he was a Christian. Much later, I came across an article or essay that quoted scientists and philosophers of fairly recent history (Post-Enlightenment) who discussed their aim to seek an explanation for the origins of everything without the need of a god to create it. That was their hypothesis, and they set out to prove it. So right there there's a bias that influences them to de facto reject any evidence of creation. That's what convinced me to take a deeper look. I think God put that biology instructor in my life when He did so as to prepare me to recognize the bias. Otherwise I probably would have found some biased explanation to excuse and defend the scientists and philosophers who openly stated their intent to ignore what they didn't want to be true.

[@WeepingWillow422]

I was brought up to believe the Genesis account of creation to be accurate. There was a time, however, when I entertained the idea of Genesis meaning "period of time" when it said "day" as given by old-earth creationists. However, when I learned that, for the old-earth account to be true and to take what we see in rock layers as representing which materials were laid down first (without considering things like weather and natural disasters moving those materials around), that would mean that there was evidence of death and decay in the ground before God created Adam. That would mean that the bible is false in saying death came after Adam and Eve sinned and would also mean the Flood either didn't happen at all or happened locally which is preposterous considering the bible clearly states the waters rose above the mountains and on all the earth. So once I realized that the old-earth account would be contradicting the bible, I immediately dropped the old-earth theory and never considered it to be a possibility again. There was a time when I also tried to see if evolution could fit in the bible. Once again, I figured out that it couldn't and dropped that as a possibility as well. The word of God I will always trust over the word of man.

[@archimedesmaid3602]

@@WeepingWillow422 I did something a bit more real and rational. About the time I was 10, I realized that the universe is the way it is, and scientists basically do a real job in seeing how it is. I also realized that while "how it is" does not serve to refute the existence of God, it certainly serves to refute some of the hilarious dogma of religions. Refutation of the dogma of a religion about God, is not refutation of God. It would be better if you did not tie religious dogma to the existence of God. Know that God pays no attention to hilarious attempts to "prove" God exists. It is not earning you any brownie points Might be time to grow up and realize what the Bible is, and is not. That way you might get more out of it.

[@jzarbaugh]

@@archimedesmaid3602 Your comment assumes that scientists have no bias. We know that it is almost impossible to research a matter without bias. As original poster @KA Fleury mentioned above: "I came across an article or essay that quoted scientists and philosophers of fairly recent history (Post-Enlightenment) who discussed their aim to seek an explanation for the origins of everything without the need of a god to create it. That was their hypothesis, and they set out to prove it." I would love to see that article, because that would show scientists were a lot more honest than they are today. I think we need to start realizing that the people in charge are fallible. They may not know what they are doing. Worse yet, they may know exactly what they are doing and enjoy manipulating the data to support their bias. Dissenting opinions have been suppressed and canceled for hundreds of years now. If we are only willing to listen to the people in power with the loudest microphone, we come away repeating one side of the issue. That is the sign of someone who is not well educated.

[@paulmerritt2484]

Observable science proves evolution is impossible. It should be clear to everyone who thinks about it logically. We would see every other person and animal half way evolved. We would have all sorts of animals and human beings becoming new species constantly. How did evolution stop happening if it ever happened? How is it possible that we all have the same DNA showing we all have a common ancestor? Biologists know it is impossible for DNA to accept any new information. Adaptation happens when information is removed form our DNA. To grow our hair longer or for our skin to get darker information is removed that allows the process to continue till a later stage of development. When the mountain goat needed longer hair it's DNA had information removed to allow the hair to grow as the signal to stop growing at a certain point was removed and the finish line moved forward.

[@valerieprice1745]

​@@archimedesmaid3602considering the billions of taxpayer dollars that have gone into trying to disprove God, and the corruption and scandals in science, not to mention the fake fossils and bogus papers, you might want to rethink your worship of fallible men. The Bible is the Word of God.

[@jimevans4755]

As an avid Rockhound I have samples of recently felled wood that is visibly displaying the process of being petrifying. The cellular structure is being replaced by minerals. These samples were harvested at an former mining site.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Yep - I've got some of those. It depends on the conditions - however wood is porous which is why this happens.

[@guylelanglois6642]

I'm so glad that sites like yours are available for anyone to see. About the only good thing to come from the internet is being able to find material like this.

[@williamhoward2731]

I wish to thank you for sharing the creation podcast 16 . About fossils video with me .

[@suzanneholdbrook9972]

Yes I agree, that’s why it’s so refreshing and inspiring when you hear John Lennox talking about his belief being a professor of mathematics at Oxford university plus his use of science in his narrative.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

He believes in an old earth!

[@dianetm8557]

This was so interesting. I was studying biology and chemistry in university in the 90’s. Thought the many holes in all the theories plugged so often with the “We don’t know but we have a theory.” were confusing. But then shortly after I graduated, those theories (never resolved) became a fact. Always smelled a rat even then. Loved my professors but….

[@1754Me]

Isn’t it awesome that we have over 100 different types of fossil “tissues” which have been examined. How can secular scientists still believe in the fossils being millions of years old when living tissue can still be extracted?

[@jagdtiger9287]

Because if they start to believe than evolution (at least almost wholy) would be wrong and the text books would have to be changed and then communism, marxism and socialism could not be dictated in the universities and a more family friendly environment would occur.

[@parkinson1963]

Because it isn't living tissue it is remnants of collagen molecules found after soaking the fossil in weal acid for a month.

[@Flagrum3]

@@parkinson1963 BS. Dead tissue will not stretch and retract. They've also not just found collagen molecules, they've found blood vessels, muscle ligaments and DNA. None of which can last more then several thousand years. Stop lying to yourself.

[@nbenefiel]

We have dinosaur fossils dating back 260 million years. We have hominid fossils dating back 7 million years. We can get DNA from 2 million year old fossils. We have the skeleton of a young girl with a Denisovan mother and a Neandertal father. Everyone who is not from sub Saharan Africa has some Neandertal DNA. Aquinas said back in the 13th century, that all creation was one thought in the mind of God. Why wouldn’t that be the Big Bang?

[@1960ARC]

​@@jagdtiger9287 boom, hit the nail on the head.

[@earthage3020]

I agree with everything Dr Thomas said, but i want to add that we do know the decay rate of carbon 14, and that based on it's (approx 5,400 yr Half-Life), not One Carbon 14 atom should remain after 1 million years, yet we have found carbon 14 in virtually every unfossilized bone or wood or plant sample ever tested: even in the (so called) Carbonifereous era that is supposed to be over 300 million years old. This has been well documented as well.

[@greygrey6151]

Yes, of course we find C14 in all living and in all unfossilized tissue...life is carbon based, so every living thing takes in carbon with a known proportion. Once an organism dies, it no longer takes in new carbon, so the C14 decays into N14 at a known rate, and that ratio will give us an age for a specimen. This is only good for a date back to about 60,000 years. Beyond that range, there are other isotopes that decay at a known rate, and they can date much further back than for C14 (example, the ratios of uranium to lead in a sample.)

[@freemind..]

​@greygrey6151 - *Except that it is incredibly unreliable and almost never gives correct dates for samples of KNOWN age.*

[@offthefront7537]

Where?

[@earthage3020]

@@greygrey6151 The very Fact that the bones or wood or carbonized wood contains Any Carbon 14 at all (that is detectable) tells those who are paying attention that it isn't "millions of years old" -- or at least they should admit that the millions of years they assign are Highly Questionsble dates. But in the case of dinosaurs, there is lots more evidence that they are not all that old : ie they are found in historical accounts and were often callef dragons. But we also have pictographs and figurines that confirm their young age.

[@NicholasHoughton-gy4vy]

This is an excellent interview. I love that Dr Thomas's approach is gentle and humble. He provides a humdinger of an argument.

[@CarlMCole]

So, if I understood you correctly, you are claiming to have found INTACT protein molecules in fossils dating back all the way to the Cambrian era ?! If that's true, I'll grant you that it is amazing, and probably completely inexplicable in terms of the conventional dating system used for fossils. I know enough about the structure of protein molecules to understand that it would be just incredible for them to persist for hundreds of MILLIONS of years under almost any CONCEIVABLE circumstances !

[@marksherrill9337]

Well done. All this assuming decay rates stay consistent. I doubt the millions of years and seriously doubt ice ages. Thank you for making a compelling argument .

[@freemind..]

Agreed... including the rejection of ice age pseudotheory.

[@DeniseWilliams-du5mt]

Excellent presentation! Keep up the great work ICR.

[@stanpawlowski8757]

Really love to share these insightful videos with my children. Great work!

[@marculatour6229]

God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman. I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs, but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.

[@offthefront7537]

Great if you want to keep them in the dark.

[@marculatour6229]

@@offthefront7537 But I can give him a little light that can illuminate his brain. I make the world how I like it. Some people say the universe popped up out of nothing and exist since 14 billion years. Other people say, God popped up out of nothing and thereafter he let pop up our universe out of nothing by conjuring it up. The second possibility seams to me a little bit complicated. The first possibility also seems more credible to me, since the existence of our universe is proven and it is also visible to almost all of us, except for the blind among us. The existence of God seems not to be profen all the 14 billion years. To make matters worse, he is in contrast to our universe also not really visible. Therefore I prefer to worship our visible Universe instead of an invisible, maybe sometime popped up God. Maybe you prefer the second possibility, with two popped up things out of nothing. But for me that seems to be a little to complicated and stupid. What is your meaning? Two things popped up out of nothing and one was conjured up? Maybe there is somewhat that can let pop up gods. I think the real God is the God who let pop up your God out of nothing. I think I know now who the real God is. A wizard like Harry Potter. But. Did he use a magic wand and who created this wand? I think when you engage in religion, you deal with nonsense.

[@offthefront7537]

@@marculatour6229 agreed

[@HS-zk5nn]

indeed! as a PhD scientist, I agree

[@truBador2]

An endlessly interesting topic. Thank you.

[@carolynschneider1652]

Love the book, colored photos, it’s amazing!!

[@hey.hombre]

A pair of boots (cowboy) were found to be fossilized within 100 years. They could easily date the boots because of the period they were made and other artifacts found.

[@richtomlinson7090]

That isn't fossilization.

[@nooneyouknowhere6148]

​@@richtomlinson7090??

[@seaofcronos675]

Turned into a stalactite by limestone water ?

[@clair9167]

Excellent explanations that I could follow. Thank you so much.

[@bruceboyer8187]

Its really quite simple. The fossil that is found in the rick is the age of thevrock. The age of the rock is determined by thevage of the fossils found in them. This is called circular logic.

[@jounisuninen]

"This is called circular logic." The synonym is guess work.

[@mulvey0731]

How about the soft tissue found in a T Rex bone?

[@mulvey0731]

@@mattbrook-lee7732 think about it. A body encased in mud (from a sudden catastrophic flood probably) would be a great place to preserve something. Hundreds of years is a lot to ask. Thousands of years? Remember this bone was at the surface sticking out in the air. Other random fossils they’ve tested are in drawers at the Smithsonian. They all had pliable tissue. Some has red blood cells. Some have viable DNA. A million years this stayed preserved? Are you that naive? 65 million years???? Just how absurd does a number have to get before you balk? Or are you good with whatever the “experts” say? I mean, they’re the experts; right? Kinda like the Covid vaccine; right? When do you ever question anything? There’s a chemical element, that has an accepted “half life” that’s accepted by scientists around the world, of less than 6,000 years. It’s found nearly everywhere. It’s found in coal that is found in rock layers OLDER than the fossils. These rock layers help determine the “era” different species lived. Rock layers with this element all over them are judged to be millions of years old. How can that be? It’s not possible. Here’s the deal. Radiometric dating is older (less reliable), but has “acceptable” ranges of millions of years (I’m not kidding). The newer, better, science uses this method that has the element with a known half life. It gives ages in the thousands of years. They know this is true, but they refuse to accept it. Now they’ve got pliable tissue, and stomach contents with vegetation that is recognizable!!!! They keep bending the science and ignoring the obvious. Why? What’s up? Why not follow the evidence, and go where it leads you? Nope. They KNOW what happened and when; even though they weren’t there and CAN’T know. I’m tired of being lied to, “for my benefit”.

[@angelalewis3645]

Wonderful discussion!

[@natashagonzales4831]

Thank you so much! That is so interesting.

[@abrahamyohannan4972]

I just aacidently came accross this channel and found very intresting.Wish you all the best

[@michaelheath76901]

It's fascinating that you can still smell the slow decay when you uncover fossils. 🙂

[@RealHooksy]

You can’t, they are lying to you.

[@angeleyes3969]

No you cannot, I know this from experience, thank you

[@alvingallegos6367]

Good stuff!

[@cynthiachoate2536]

This guy explains it perfectly !

[@trulyso734]

Very good of you to speak up Dr Thomas. As a christian I also find keeping to the historic biblical worldview on creation helps us stay God mindful and able to discern the times, seasons and days we live in.. even unto to that preceding His 2nd coming return; all the while looking forward to our full future destinies rather than being deceived or bought over by the bias thoughts of the day from the "mainstream" God rejecters. The Lord be with you as you put Him first in all you do..

[@marculatour6229]

God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman. I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs, but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.

[@difficultjourney3216]

Do you also hold to the historic Biblical worldview that the earth is a plane covered with a dome?

[@marculatour6229]

@@difficultjourney3216 Of course the earth is flat. Everyone who didn't want to believe that, went out and fell over the edge, because the dome is just thin air. I always say:" Dealing with religion is dealing with insanity."

[@difficultjourney3216]

@@marculatour6229 I wasn't referring to religion. I was referring to the historical Biblical view on the interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative. The Israelites clearly understood it as describing a flat earth, surrounded by seas and covered by a dome (firmament). Josephus called it a crystalline. Maybe you should study it a little further. And by the way, I am a Christian who not only believes it but knows it to be true. Have a good day.

[@marculatour6229]

@@difficultjourney3216 What? You live on a flat earth? Be careful when you reach the edge. At the edge you can touch the firmament. There are many very hot stars. So be careful when catching them and thereafter count your fingers. But there are people who have tried to reach the edge. They kept running, but in the end they reached the starting point again. Strange! I think that was a kind of "Teleportation". We live on a very strange earth. Easy question. When did religion begin? "Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire: "La religion a commencé le jour où le premier fripon a rencontré le premier imbécile." Hi fools! I´m a wolf among sheep. As i said:" Dealing with religion is dealing with insanity."

[@jeffreyk5734]

No mention of Mud Fossils, but I think we are getting closer to that based on what I heard here. They are an undeniable reality and completely change the game.

[@jannaswanson271]

I like this man! He is willing to speak the truth. Man's "science" does not mesh with the Bible.

[@phildavenport4150]

So let's junk all of "science" and just read our bibles, shall we? All the while enjoying the fruits of the "science" that you reject, including the internet. Confused much?

[@jannaswanson271]

@@phildavenport4150 All things were created by God and through Him. If you put 100 scientists in a room they could not create anything unless they used what God has created. And that would not really be creating- it would be simply manipulating the things God created.

[@phildavenport4150]

@@jannaswanson271 No doubt your God told you this, one-to-one. You didn't read about it in a book, did you?

[@jannaswanson271]

@@phildavenport4150 It is simply truth.

[@phildavenport4150]

@@jannaswanson271 Oh, well, that's OK then. Problem solved. Let's all turn off our critical faculties and listen to you.

[@Stormsurvivor9]

Awesome interview.

[@YophiSmith]

Just discovered this channel. Watched the whole interview. I am very impressed and blessed by this video. Subscribed, and look forward to perusing

[@icrscience]

We're glad you found us!

[@deanweaver4469]

The testimony from Moses and The Flood Science changed my life because I kept asking for the "data" through prayer. Fountains of the deep in Genesis is clear. The science of techtonics and "deep ocean fountains" as a result was unknown until our modern day technology. Look at videos of the floods in Japan 2011. Noah's flood history was worldwide extinction. It makes sense.🤠

[@tcrowetcrowe]

Except that penguins didn't leave Antarctica to hop on an ark, and neither did the kangaroos in Australia. A baby dinosaur brought onto the ark would have grown so large prior to the waters receding that it's feet would have fallen through the wood floor. And that the native Americans have just been over here twiddling out arrowheads (clueless about what would have been happening in the Mediterranean region) and hunting buffalo all along. And need I mention that human remains are always discovered high above the ancient animals now gone extinct - and there are millions of extinct species. There need not be a discussion on radiometric dating when deciding if Genesis 1-11 is some literal scientific text - Russia dug a 40,000 foot hole in the ground and four miles deep they found plankton fossils. You can examine certain types of lakes and find that tens of thousands of summer/winter seasons have left layered deposits at the bottom. And we observe that phenomena every trip around the sun. A flood that catastrophically ended it all would mix up all the fossils as to be unrecognizable - we don't observe that in the rock record. It is far more organized than that. Flood geology is the biggest pseudoscience ever created - and it needs to stop. It's needlessly sending innocent well-meaning Christians back to the 1800's - a time when Christians were leading the way in discovering the earth's ancient age. I am a Christian, Jesus saved me from my sins, and I would firmly take the evolutionary creationist position after what I've gotten to learn. Radiometric dating aside if you prefer. The Bible, Rocks, and Time is a great resource on geology and I Love Jesus and I Accept Evolution is a great take on evolution. These are written by Christians who actually know their stuff, and it's a lot of fun to learn about.

[@juanranger4214]

@@tcrowetcrowe Evolution cannot walk together with Genesis, because evolution has a life-death cycle in order to function. If there was death much before man came to be, it means death existed before the first sin and that death is NOT the wage of sin. Therefore, if death is not the wage of sin, Jesus's sacrifice was for nothing. The theory of evolution and the Genesis account in the Holy Bible cannot coexist...

[@MichaelWilliams-eq4kt]

​@@tcrowetcrowe 3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing ... they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed." 2 Peter 3:3, 5-6) I'm sorry to say but like many Christians, you have arrived right on time in these last days, scoffing and denying the very flood that scripture literally warned you that you would come scoffing about. I mean, did you ever read that verse and wonder, even if only for a moment? Peter could have used your name to make it more personally relevant I suppose but he pretty much captured you and those who stand in your ideological lane. Atheists I can understand but Christians...that's just disappointing. Maybe you spent too much time in the literature (even though it is widely understood that there is a catastrophic crisis in ALL peer review because of "financial interests, personal disagreements, or professional opportunism" as one source puts it. Apparently they should have added spiritual rebellion and wilful delusion to that list, no?) and not enough time in the scriptures, scriptures like Peter's second letter? Christians who reject the historical eyewitness account (God was the eyewitness, yes?) of the first book of the bible tend to also reject the same eyewitness account of the last book of the bible. Often the screw up a lot of what happens in the middle too, which is to be expected when a person rejects the beginning and ending of pretty much any book, non-fiction or otherwise. When God raises up the antichrist empire - the most powerful empire in history spanning from Greece to India (see: the Islamic Caliphate unless you know of a more appropriate potential beast empire that occupies the lands of the former Babylonian, Medo-Persian and Grecian empires?) - and they begin systematically executing Christians and anyone else who doesn't recite the shahada, your knowledge of literal occult naturalistic philosophy passed into the mainstream by satan worshipping Freemasons (like the Darwin family) is going to be pretty useless. You: "Don't worry, fellow Christian, you can be assured Abdul won't sever your head from your neck because the flood is just pseudoscience!" Dying Christian: But can feel the tendons separating... *gurgle* *gurgle* You "Don't be a fool! That's just the pseudoscience speaking!" As a Christian, you really ought to better research the origin of ideas, especially unbiblical, unsupported in scripture ideas. They almost always come fro the same place and have a much longer history that most people bother looking into. Those alleged "Christian" scientists you are referencing, many of them were actually deists who publicly claimed "a belief in a god" in a culture called "Christendom" where to do otherwise would get you shunned, which is hardly the same as confessing Christ incarnate, crucified, resurrected and glorified. Interestingly enough, "a belief in a god" is exactly all you need to be welcomed into the Freemasonic brotherhood with its curses and oaths that Jesus warned us not to take. Do the math.

[@kathleennorton7913]

The great sin is the sin of pride for many intellectuals, in my opinion.

[@dongee1664]

Maybe the sin is in your ignorance...

[@michaela.kelley7823]

Absolutely. The Bible really only gives 2 reasons that keep God from men. As you mentioned PRIDE, or people's love of sin. So both of these to me is proof that there is no such thing as an athiest. If you hook them up to lie detectors, I believe they would fail. They are just too prideful to give God the glory for the " good things" they believe they achieved in their life

[@dongee1664]

@@michaela.kelley7823 are you so indoctrinated that you deny all reason and logic? I have a healthy pride, there's nothing wrong with that and don't sin. What I have done is read the Bible, probably more than you, and can see the vile happenings within in it and the fear it preys on. I can also see from reading it how illogical it is. You need to be a little more humble and understanding, not so dogmatic.

[@ZUGTFO]

Bingo

[@dongee1664]

To be proud of one's achievements is no sin. Unfortunately, everything is a sin to a theist. Try thinking logically about what you claim a sin to be.

[@stevenspeakman5363]

"We fill our minds with what we want to hear". His words not mine. As an open minded atheist I listened to this conversation carefully. I accepted many of the points mentioned. What is never shown on these religious videos is a discussion between a panel of creationist scientists and conventional "old earth" scientists. We can watch and listen to both sides of the argument putting forward there theories and dismantling their oppenents. I challenge you to organise this.

[@todddavidmoore]

Referring to ~19 min time stamp in the video, the LXX based math for the age of the earth would be 3.5K + 2K + 2K = 7.5K

[@stephen5971]

Wow.. love this evidence ❤️

[@NewRevelations]

Very good information... GOD bless .. there is one request to you... please provide these evidences available in MALAYALAM (an Indian language ) here in our state many youngsters especially Christian youths, are turning to atheism ..so if possible please arrange these types of podcast available in our local language.. Thanks to ICR

[@marciamcgrail5889]

It would be great to have every Christian resource available in every language and tongue all over the earth. Sadly, the truth is, we ain't there yet but in the meantime, there are translation resources - if you are able to google it yourself?

[@freeto9139]

What a great program! So much sense in one place; count me in!

[@cynthiacarr4252]

Really great info...and very interesting.

[@simontimothy1599]

Quite interesting.

[@michaelwaddell9461]

Until recently I believed in the millions of years. But with study help such as this I am changing my position. Thank you Heavenly Father, in Jesus precious name Amen

[@NONEYAZ]

Even Before I Was Saved Or Really Studied Gods Word, The Holy Bible! As A Kid In School Learning History Via Books, The Old Projector Films On A Wall/Screen Saying; Earth Was Made, Dinosaurs Were, We Were Cave Men/Women From Millions And Then Billions Of Years Ago! I Would Think Of The Many T.V Shows And Think Then How Have All These Diverse Fossils Survived Then In Layers Of Time Lines!?! I Would Laugh At The Teachers & By The Time I Was In Later Years Of High School I Would Correct The Tests Rewriting Or Writing Over The Textual Lies! It's So Sad, How Many Kids And Adults Still Today Believed/Believe Such Lies As, Actual Or Factual Truth Without Studying The Other Side Of The Argument(s)! 😎

[@OutisYT]

When you said people should believe in all of the Bible, not just some of it, I couldn't help but wonder if you include the the book of Enoch?

[@educacionvirtualsendaalta5432]

Gracias por la excelente presentación. Aquí en Bolivia, en el museo paleontológico de la Universidad en Tarija, tienen unos restos de "huesos" a los que llaman fósiles. Discutí con el guía y le dije que un hueso no puede ser un fósil. Pero él definió el hueso como teniendo miles de años y 'por eso' eran fósiles. Un ejemplo claro de lo que yo llamaría un proceso de "fosilizacion ideológica" Es decir, la ideología esta definiendo las cosas, no los hechos concretos. Es lo mismo que ocurre con la idlg de gner y tantas otras imposiciones de los caprichos humanos sobre una realidad, supuestamente fluida. Pienso que se debe desmantelar esta tendencia, de otro modo, la ciencia entrará en un oscurantismo.

[@1754Me]

I like how he said a worldwide cause leads to worldwide effects as can be seen.

[@thomasshannon6472]

Not always an obvious concept, but clearly a common sense observation!

[@jagdtiger9287]

@@thomasshannon6472 Yes but one mainstream science does not want to except.

[@deanweaver4469]

Thanks ICR. 👋👫🌏🙏♥️

[@icrscience]

You're welcome!

[@refuse2bdcvd324]

Facts, facts and more FACTS!

[@HalfWarrior]

This is great; every time I hear that something is millions or billions of years old; I cringe; knowing how ridiculous it is (it applies to so many things that are propagated as truth). Thanks for the great video!

[@difficultjourney3216]

Do you also cringe when these same people tell us we live on a spinning globe?

[@HalfWarrior]

@@difficultjourney3216 Yes sir! We don’t live on a spinning ball!

[@difficultjourney3216]

@@HalfWarrior 👍

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

You need to talk with Dr Andrew Snelling about the Fossils found in Australia.

[@waukivory2756]

Why

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@waukivory2756 Because he's from Australia and he's a Geology expert.

[@waukivory2756]

@@whyaskwhybuddry doesnt make his opinions right or wrong does it. They are just his opinions.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@waukivory2756 Well, he has made Scientific studies. There are 5 basic parts to any Science Paper: Abstract, Introduction, Materials and Methods, Findings and Discussion. The only parts that matter are Materials and methods and Findings because they are the hard Science. It doesn't matter what the researchers believed or thought about the results of the Testing.

[@russellhiller4198]

Dr Thomas you should talk to Roger Spurr at Mudfossil University. His research has brought us to the same conclusion. It would be great for spreading this suppressed knowledge for the people that have been reductively mislead in order to be successful.

[@aclp003]

Thank you for this sharing! Thoroughly enjoyed listening to Dr Thomas. Didnt know tt the 1700s top scientists kinda sealed the deal on millions, billions year old earth. Didnt comprehend about isotopes too as a student but found Dr Thomas's explanation of the variables helpful in grasping the sketchy idea of isotopes. And to think tt we were and still are tested on such bonkers theories. Now as a Christian teacher, I struggle with how I should teach the concept of fossils to my students with secular background. Anyways, I think it takes more faith to believe tt God took just tt 24 hours to create earth and the sun and the moon... incredible, but Almighty God can do anything by just speaking it to life! Instant. I have a question though, where are the human remains from Noah's flooding?

[@JungleJargon]

It turns out in general relativity that if distance is changing and time is changing, it means the speed of light is changing relative to where we are. It means light is traveling faster in outer space in our line of sight between us and distant galaxies. That means a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day at the same time in different places in the same universe. Redshift is due to distant starlight coming from the centers of massive galaxies that is more redshifted than blue-shifted when it is seen or detected by us in our smaller less massive galaxy.

[@GreenTea4Me]

I hope someone will talk about the White Sands footprints sometime. They dated them at 23,000 years. I would love to see a Creationist talk about it.

[@AldousHuxley7]

Ive dug up lots of fossils. Sure the scale may be off slightly but the earth is definitely very very old and the fossil record proves it. In my area (Nebraska Sandhills) we have bones preserved between about 8-22 million years. These are ice age creatures. Ive dug up tortoise rhino mammoth sloth bison 3 toed deer elephant oreodont etc. most of them were preserved in ash after the ashfall event when yellowstone erupted 10-12 myo. Up in the badlands a few hours north is much more ancient strata. Ive dug up alligator garr t rex stegasaurus triceratops titanothere ocean creatures etc. Theres oreodonts (antelope) up there too but only in the much younger 5-40 million yo strata. We find them by establishing an age layer by identifying the bone and soil level in comparison to the surrounding area. You will not find out of place fossils in any given age layer. Taking this further we can see micro evolution taking place. For example a gompothere elephant had 4 tusks. Others had shovel like tusks. Over vast periods of time these eventually died out and were replaced by various large 2 tusked mammoth species like the columbian mammoth better suited for open prairie and large predators. Horses had 2 or 3 toes for millions of years and were very small but gradually fused their toe bones together and grew much larger as the hilly forests changed into open rolling prairies. In north america the climate shift happened too fast so all the horses went extinct because they didnt evolve as quickly as the european horses. Theres so many examples but youd have to try REALLY hard to ignore all the microevolutionary changes and extremely well established fossil records to still believe the earth is only 6000 years old. Atheists are blind to creation all around them but creationists are blind to the timelessness of God. Atheists can't see that Gods hand started it all but creationists cant see that the appalacian mountains are much more ancient than say the rockies. Its so obvious just look! The evidence is literally everywhere.

[@kevinmelton7954]

No one is “ignoring” it. Micro evolution is simply a change within one species. It utterly fails to support evolution but creation instead.

[@anthonypolonkay2681]

I dont you have ever taken an in depth look into the models or experimental evidences the "young" earth camp has. They pretty much have an answer to everything you put forth as an evidence of deep time here, and contrary to what your (and mine at first) knee-jerk reaction would be it's all suppored by evidence. Most of it experimental. And that which isn't inferable through observation.

[@michaelwaddell9461]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You are funny.

[@richtomlinson7090]

You are correct, but these people have no interest in learning anything that challenges their backwards thinking Biblical literalism.

[@user-gc9qn4us4p]

there are definitely fossils out of place, but im not really sure how old the earth is

[@vancemoody962]

I was in my mid-thirties when E was suddenly introduced to the facinating area if creation science from a Kent Hovind video. My quest for Truth and Logic began. This video uses very basic language and eases toward alternate beginnings. Look for the often free science book: The Evolution Handbook. You'll find THOUSANDS of scientific FACTS which competely ANNIALATE THE EVOLUTIONARY MODEL.

[@KirkDavis1966]

Yeah, when they found soft tissue ( marro) in T REX bones I was like, no way are they 65 million years old..

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Why?

[@KirkDavis1966]

@StudentDad-mc3pu because organic tissue can not even survive 5k years, let alone a million or 65m years, also think on this, the Colorado River is supposedly cut the grand canyon over millions and millions of years, if true at the current rate of erosion of 1.35" a year the canyon would be over 200 miles deep over just 1million years. Not just a mile deep or what 5200 some odd feet..The Old earth philosophies do not hold water, pardon the pun under the scientific methods. Today's science is more a religion than science.

[@KirkDavis1966]

@StudentDad-mc3pu also please investigate the the discoveries of Ron Wayatte and his sicoveries of Noah's Ark and many other things that God himself led him too.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@KirkDavis1966 It's a rock formation, sorry.

[@lauramann8275]

​@@StudentDad-mc3puA rock formation in the form of a boat like structure. Over time, wood can turn into rock.

[@smokey7142]

Let us children know this. Agree

[@raysalmon6566]

This political "God gap" is a recent development.Up until the 1970s, progressive Democrats were common in church pews and many conservative Republicans didn't attend church. But after 1980, both churchgoing progressives and secular conservatives became rarer and rarer. Some Americans brought their religion and their politics into alignment by adjusting their political views to their religious faith. But, surprisingly, more of them adjusted their religion to fit their politics. We were initially skeptical about that proposition, because it seemed implausible that people would make choices that might affect their eternal fate based on how they felt about George W. Bush. But the evidence convinced us that many Americans now are sorting themselves out on Sunday morning on the basis of their political views. Prothero the Fossels say Yes Prothero spends more time bashing churches that he does promoting fossils

[@Justine-gp5tn]

That was so well described.

[@kathleennorton7913]

What about flash frozen animals in the areas of the poles?

[@truthbebold4009]

The post flood conditions caused a rapid coming effect. I've watched a few explanations that really make a good case for that and explain it well.

[@truthisbeautiful7492]

My understanding is most creationists have a different view, look up Michael oard on the ice age.

[@frontech3271]

What is the line? Something like, "A day to god is as a thousand years"? So this, "forty days (and forty nights)", was like, 40,000 years.

[@jounisuninen]

Exactly. Either we take Bible literally or we reject it. Anything in between means running around blindly not knowing what is true and what is not. Bible tells us when it uses metaphor. Like the serpent in Paradise. It is clearly said that it was Satan. And it would be strange if the angel couldn't have got Bileam's donkey to utter words to Bileam. How it was done is irrelevant. Supernatural is supernatural and that was how Bileam experienced it.

[@kimchiwasabee]

This,💯

[@larrycarter3765]

Yes they can, & do!

[@60dlau]

I always have a question, if fossil are remains of plant and animals, they should be everywhere, so why I cannot find anyone of them in my garden, but only localized in certain places?

[@angeleyes3969]

Because the land your garden sits on has been well worked and/or eroded over time (that's only one of many reasons/possibilities)

[@nibiruresearch]

The geological time line is a relative time line. They like numbers of millions of years. When we look at the Grand Canyon we see many horizontal layers on top of each other but close-ups of these layers also show that they are completely separated from each other and the layers look rather homogeneous. How is this possible? Each layer is the effect of a recurring natural disaster, a huge tidal wave that is pulled over the planet, that is caused by a celestial body that circles our sun in an eccentric orbit. A thick layer of homogeneous mud remains on our planet. Fantasy? No, ancient knowledge that is available in books, legends, myths and religions. The many earth layers are solid proof for this recurring disaster. No scientist will agree to this because they all are focused on their small part of science. They know a lot about a little. Those natural disasters occur in a cycle of seven and create a cycle of five civilizations. The longest living civilization lives no more than 10,800 years. Nonsens? No, ancient knowledge and that knowledge is supported by many depictions that we find in museums on statues, cylinder seals, coins etc. The last time that this celestial body, planet X or nine, was seen and depicted and commented was just before our era. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle and its timeline, the rebirth of civilizations and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". This book answers many of your questions about ancient history. It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: planet 9 roest

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Yep - fantasy.

[@nibiruresearch]

Thanks to the fantasy of James Hutton and Charles Lyell, geologists took the wrong turn.

[@davetolfree5155]

Finally a guy who investigated the truth on fossils 😇

[@jounisuninen]

I think there've been many before him but of course this is good addition. There's never too much of this kind of info.

[@elvisischrist]

Oh and by the way - “soft tissue” is very rare. Only 85 cases have been discovered out of all the fossils ever found. So no, it’s not being found everywhere - sorry…..

[@user-gc9qn4us4p]

from all rock layers except 2

[@waukivory2756]

Just reading off an unsubstantiated comment like yours just goes to show how shallow your thinking and reasoning actually is.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

Was offering Isaac on the altar what justified Abraham or would Abraham have been justified without that act?

[@jounisuninen]

God was only testing Abram. God had no intention of letting Abram kill his son. This was just the reference to God later sacrificing His only begotten Son, so that we humans would have the chance to get redemption.

[@stevenhanson6057]

When you said “but” you sounded like you’re trying to talk us into something.

[@robertkay4889]

Good discussion. One question though. In 2nd Peter a day to God is compared to a thousand years. Could that mean that the 6 days of creation could actually be 6 thousand years with the 7th day being another thousand years?

[@mulvey0731]

No. Different word for Day. Back in my Day Today is Wednesday (a day) My days are numbered. All are differing periods for the word Day. Yom is the word in Genesis. Everywhere this word used (other than Genesis) we know it to be a 24 hour day.

[@chadkline4268]

Well, they can confirm methods with other methods when 2 different methods predict the same date. And we can cinfirm datung ehen we know an age by other means.

[@marculatour6229]

God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman. I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs, but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.

[@charliepiston3169]

Arrius Calpurnius Piso was the original creationist.

[@Ohmy1956]

Somehow I had the idea that the Flood in Noah’s time was approximately 3500 BC

[@paulgarduno2867]

Minute 17 " we don't know what defined day and night" , I would say that; Rotation of the earth is what defines day and night . The surface of the earth 🌎 is ALWAYS 50% dark = Night and 🌍 50% light =Day. From Day One, light and darkness were already here, in the universe and God is who called this duality, "Day & Night" . On the surface of the Sun like on every other star ; Light is the only reality present. But away from light.. Darkness is the other reality present. I see the big picture of the whole universe as a perpetual Darkness=Night ; or a perpetual Light=Day, depending on the place where you may be located.

[@brianthompson4480]

If you follow the masoretic text then the flood happened about 2348 BC BUT if you follow the septuagint text ( which was the version of the Jesus/early church era}Then the date for the flood is 3298 BC. Since the Septuagint text is about 1200 years older than the Masoretic text, I believe the Septuagint is the more accurate text!

[@marculatour6229]

God is like Harry Potter. He can conjure things up. It is the easiest thing in the world to conjure things up. Every God can do this. Otherwise we would call him a showman. I think the classification, evolutionists do, is wright. What do you think? Is it possible to believe in things who don't exist? Many stupid creationist children played with dinosaurs, but not all survived. God is as useful as a pimple on the face. However, apparently some of us are very proud of having a pimple on the face.

[@adelinomorte7421]

***There are doctors an scientists, but not all doctors may be scientists and all scientists may not be doctors, so there are a line to draw, that line is the language, and there are many languages besides the common language (English, French, Italian, German, Portuguese, Spanish, etc,) and they are, using the common language, the scientific, poetry, vulgar, erudite, mythologic, religious, mystic, academic, and the political. Knowing or understanding that, we can see how chaotic it can be, in religious language it will be a "Babel Tower" as an example. So we should be careful if we wont to exchange ideas to use or be sure if we are understood. We do not love with our heart, the heart is a pump to recirculate the blood in our body.***

[@MusicManWes]

Thank you for this great evidence of a young Earth.

[@harlanmueller7499]

I agree there are issues with the dating

[@nbenefiel]

We have more methods of dating now. When the Cerutti Mastodon kill site was discovered in San Diego, the findings were so amazing that they had it dated over 100 times. All the dates were the same, 130,000 years ago.The site has pretty strong evidence of hominid presence.

[@richtomlinson7090]

There are only issues with people using the wrong dating methods for each artifact.

[@jounisuninen]

@@nbenefiel "... the findings were so amazing that they had it dated over 100 times." Repeating a false finding 100 times doesn't make it more reliable.

[@nbenefiel]

@@jounisuninen Our dating methods are very dependable. The fossils were dated over 100 times using different methods and the findings all agreed. I think we can assume they are accurate.

[@nbenefiel]

@@jounisuninen There are currently four methods of dating fossils. When all agree you can be pretty certain of their accuracy. Heck we have dinosaur remains 260 million years old, bacteria 3 billion years old. A 2 million year old hominid fossil is relatively recent.

[@anthonyfrost1313]

Very sad people still think this way.

[@georg7120]

Yes they can.

[@zeferinoarroyo7673]

❤ Amen 🙏

[@adelinomorte7421]

***you are right, fossils are not old, the proof is you, a younger fossil, and living. But some are very old, like millions of years, like today's years, not the biblical years that can not be more than 6000. How ridiculous some people can be liking to be ignorant.***

[@smgibv4393]

17:00 we DO Know What marked the days. Light and darkness. There was light before the sun. Please address this during the talk also. This is genesis 101.

[@whiteafrican]

But not in Australia? Why not there?

[@danieljones3413]

You can't find truth making the universe fit your beliefs.

[@RevivedSaiyan]

What about the ice age? And dinosaur age

[@elijahsanders3547]

Some of the biological material is still stretchy and flexible in dino bones.

[@angeleyes3969]

And?

[@raymondmelanson8145]

What about oil in the ground! We are taught that it comes from the fossils! But it as been proven wrong? Because fossils can be created in not a very long time compared to what we are taught in millions of years!

[@Jesus_istheRealTopG]

They do say a day to the Lord is as a thousand years to man, an God made the beasts of the earth so I imagine there were dinosaurs then an then flood wiped them out not a comet. Either way what I know is that God almighty is our Heavenly Father and divine architect. An Jesus Christ is our beloved Lord and savior! All glory belongs to Jesus and creator!

[@kennethmcdonald9736]

The Universe was pre-aged by God, the very fact there were trees in Eden proves that, or diamonds. Eden was not full of eggs or exclusively baby animals, they were adult animals. The very fact they could see any stars shows God pre-aged the universe, and that means he put layers of ice on the poles in the act of creation. He had to when you think about it.

[@gardenbeads5355]

Very interesting topic, but I could not finish it because the interviewer’s hmming was SO distracting. She needs to turn off her mic while the guest speaks. I just wanted to comment so you can work on that detail.

[@georgebond7777]

The lowest layer and hence the age of any fossils is not necessarily the youngest. Stratigraphy experiments in flumes can show the lowest/deepest layer can contain the youngest fossil.

[@JungleJargon]

Horizontal deposition and mega sequences. Relativity says that time runs faster in outer space where there is no matter. Distance increases (expands) and time speeds up. A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. 13 billion years ➗️ 365,000 (days) equals 35,616 years. Is the math right?

[@nbenefiel]

Cite a source, please.

[@franksikazwe463]

​@@nbenefielwhat source are you looking for and how will you determine the legitimacy of that source?

[@tatie7604]

Correct. He was speaking generally, I think.

[@dianabeamsorensen1663]

Anyone else getting tired of the lack of scientific rigor in all areas or science?

[@franciscomireles8357]

I believe in God and that God made everything including man and woman, but bones been hundreds of millions years old, ? My grandmother died and 20 years later my grandfather died and we buried him in the same grave, the only remains that were found, was the skull and some small pieces of finger bones, the rest of the bones turned to dust. This proves what God says, " from the dust you were formed to the dust you shall return " and one more thing that puzzles me ,scientists can figure out how old a bone is," million years old " yet when forensic scientists are given a body found by police to determine the age they can't come up with a precise age

[@damientahbaz3172]

I believe in the scriptures now, I have faith and certainty in them.... even before I had this sorted out, but so far i really like the videos on this channel and they have helped me. This one was very good. Many years ago I was an athiest and I finished classes in college such as physical anthropology (which has textbooks with supposedly "stacked evidence" of the fossil record for man's evolution through different species of proto-humans, etc.) , organic chemistry, microbiology, biology. All of these classes have evolutionary theory built into them. Hmm.... I can't remember what I was going to say, lol, maybe I'll remember it and post in a few....