Can HYPERCARRY be REVIVED in Honkai: Star Rail?

[@bloonbrawler9872]

With the new relic set and sunday being a supposed hypercarry support, i can see hypercarry be on the same playing field as FUA and Break teams

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@@bloonbrawler9872 hopefully he makes them great again.

[@bloonbrawler9872]

@@mooseoncaffeine the trump of hypercarry

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

​@@bloonbrawler9872"Save the hypercarry! Sunday!"

[@Saberdud]

After reading Sunday kit I’m still not convinced

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

Do you know that Preservation Trotter with 30 barrier stacks? DHIL can break more than half of it with fully enhanced basic, it means he has high "Hits per Action." HPA could be a new playstyle with its own support and make DHIL and some others with high HPA like Sushang & March, meta again. Also we have seen HP decay mechanic appear more recently with Firefly and Jade. I think they are setting up this meta soon for 3.X. Another playstyle I can think of is team-match combo. Basically it's a reverse from Break DMG/Effects mechanic where you want to match your element OR path with your ally to trigger Combo DMG. There are different Combo Effects and it depends on what path your character in action follows.

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@@jerryeljeremy7790 that's fun to think about, we'll have to see what happens!

[@user89389]

That's why I'm putting my faith in Sunday! :D But regardless of supports, I'll keep using my DHIL team even if I have to brute-force my way through the MoC. Because characters you like playing with >>>>> Whatever the meta is. 😌

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@user89389 Real and based. I don't know if Sunday will make them great again but I pray..

[@JustSkii]

we just gotta wait for hsr's furina and neuvillette, genshin also had a problem of traditional hypercarries being bad but with version 4, and especially these two units, everything switched around. I bet the same will happen to hsr

[@mooseoncaffeine]

I hope so, I'd love to be able to use Jingliu again, and whoever the new hypercarries are. No doubt one of my favourite playstyles.

[@John_II]

It was pretty great when we got Furina and Xianyun. They made Diluc and Xiao great again. Obviously they're still not the best DPSs in the game, but it was nice to see them come back and compete in the Abyss once more.

[@dante19890]

The old 1.X characters will just get worse. There will be another powercreep tier in 3.X Old characters arent meant to be ressurected, they are meant to be phased out.

[@mooseoncaffeine]

Yeah that's unfortunate, which is why I specifically said Hypercarry in the title and thumbnail. The moment a new hypercarry DPS comes out with very strong supports, Jingliu and DHIL will most likely get a large indirect buff.

[@rek8193]

Dhil needs a support for sure, but on top of that he doesn’t even have a dedicated relic set yet. And for the record, everyone who’s been here from at least 2.x to now should know hoyo can and will add entirely new mechanics to create new teams from nothing.

[@Imanifestchaos]

Honestly i can see them expanding more on elemental gimmicks like freeze and such. Thats interesting

[@mooseoncaffeine]

Pretty sure I saw some very primitive *dreams* about them wanting to expand upon freeze with an Ice Destruction trailblazer, who is actually Remembrance in lore. Sounds fun.

[@insertnamehere5452]

I have a top 1% Seele (134 SPD, 84 CR, & 253 CD) on Seeleland which gets out damaged by my healer Lingsha who does 270k per skill, ult, and the bunny attack. I still have high hopes that our 1.x characters will still be good but let's be real, they're meant to be replaced. Despite that, I have pulls saved up for Sunday with the hopes that he can make my 1.x characters relevant again.

[@smileyhehehe]

How about your attack? Above 3k?

[@irena4929]

1:13 man 77k hit for a hypercarry look depressing these days when u consider a sub dps march/moze hitting 100k+ while also contribute buffing for your main dps 💀

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@@irena4929 So true, my march outDPSs my Jingliu any day of the week

[@axHSR]

Im huffing the copium that sunday is a hypercarry support so he can finally get my goat jingliu out of the dirt 🙏

[@XieRH1988]

What is or isn't meta is determined by turbulence buff in MOC as well as release of new characters to promote the meta. Sparkle is an example of what happens when a new support character came out but didn't result in a new meta. Turns out hoyo didn't see SP-hungry playstyle as a viable option for a new meta and kept doubling down on Break and Follow Up for an entire year.

[@dante19890]

She was just a delayed mono quantum and dan heng IL support

[@zanedushaj4602]

Gonna be honest, Yunli IS the new hypercarry, but she was completely ignored and nobody talks about it. Used her to 0 cycle Hoolay

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

Because Clara exist, also counter has no real support as for now and only 3 chars have this mechanic.

[@zanedushaj4602]

@@jerryeljeremy7790 I would say you're right but in similar way, Jingliu did the same thing as Blade (skill to get enhanced and then 0 skill point blast attacks) but people were all over her. All she does is more damage like Yunli but such a different response from the community. Same thing with Ratio and Feixaio, similar character abilities and teams, yet people are excited for the new version. Don't know why Yunli is the odd one out.

[@Dumpling-tc1th]

Yunli was probably overshadowed by feixiao, everyone was hyped for the new meta character as strong as acheron

[@pally3370]

Counters fall into fua imo (I personally separate main categories into fua, hypercarry, break, dot) with subcategories (hp drain, hyperspeed, dual, debuff,)

[@nck1496]

Yunli and Clara weakness is 3 puppets when they only keep debuffing you and not attacking you. Clara do not counter in that case.

[@Jeiss_V]

Ngl acheron is just a hypercarry dps

[@mooseoncaffeine]

Yeah she fits a large part of the definition but not exactly what I'm looking for. She has more team restrictions than someone like Jingliu and DHIL.

[@jakit0556]

Herta will be a glimpse of the return of hypercarry unless she uses summons which I heavily doubt

[@bloody4558]

According to The rumors I heard, Herta will leave a curse like ability that will deal AoE damage each turn with her skill, and her skill will deal massive damage with her Ultimate being supportive to said skill.

[@dante19890]

she might just be a pf unit tho

[@mooseoncaffeine]

Haven't heard anything about her kit, I'm incredibly excited about her.

[@daitoushoutou]

In one of my several 3 star runs of the current 2.5 MoC 12, all on auto, I 0 cycled Node 1, the Puppet Trio, with E0S0 Himeko, E6S5(DDD) HTB, E1S1 Ruan Mei, and E1S0 Lingsha on auto-battle. As someone who often or usually autos MoC 7-12, I've found that it's very hard to 3 star this particular MoC 12 on auto against Hoolay in Node 2 without Aventurine or two tanky self-healing units, such as Yunli and Blade, because the AI sucks at keeping your full team alive against him and his minions. (I used my not fully leveled E0S1 Blade to help keep his team alive to 3 star one run on auto. Yes, he hits like wet noodle.) On auto, I found that even Aventurine often failed to keep my Acheron teammates all alive in Node 1. More than once, that annoying male puppet on the left would kill my E1S0 Jiaoqiu with DoTs. Jiaoqiu wore the Eagle relic set, making him very fast and running out of Aventurine's shields.

[@angeldiaz762]

If you have DHIL or Jingliu, you basically _need_ Sparkle to make them meta.... and I have an E0 Jingliu, no Signature, and no Sparkle. So no surprise she fell off. Every now and then I dust off the Jingliu team, but she's just not fast enough as my FF and Acheron

[@bloody4558]

I got my sparkle, but relic RNG refuses to give me CRIT DMG

[@mooseoncaffeine]

Yeah, and even then they're still worse than someone like acheron

[@SentisYATTA]

I ain’t playing for the meta why am I here

[@mooseoncaffeine]

because I'm an amazing cc of course

[@8lolbit59]

Cool vid dude idk what to say...

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@@8lolbit59 any comment is enough

[@bloody4558]

Turn Based Combat is no place for Hyper carry setups. It may have worked in other Gacha, but real Turn Based RPG has always made proper use of all teammates, healing and buffing was reserved for one single character while each other member contributed to damage duty in their own way. I don't see hypercarry making a comeback. However for CRIT based damage setups I think it's only a time for characters like Jingliu and DanIL to make a comeback

[@mooseoncaffeine]

I think hypercarry has a huge place in HSR specifically though, and proof of that is the period when it was very OP. I'm hopeful it'll make a return one day.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

Atlus disagrees with you heavily on this statement.

[@MrFirecam]

Revived through powercreep, like all P2W products.

[@exu7325]

Pure multiplier hypercarry just doesn't cut it anymore with the inflation of HP and toughness bar. That meta is dead and there's no coming back to it anymore. This is to be expected in gacha games, the game will get stale if they keep releasing hypercarry 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, etc. into the second year.

[@nck1496]

I wanna you Seele again since she is my very first dps in HSR.

[@dante19890]

she is outdated

[@nck1496]

@@dante19890 I just love her, I have latest meta break team, acheron team, fua, dot teams but I still wanna use her tho.

[@dante19890]

@@nck1496 u can still use her on quantum weak enemies. But her teams are not that strong anymore.

[@nck1496]

@@dante19890 Indeed that's why I want a support who can make her shine again.

[@mooseoncaffeine]

maybe one day, but I really don't think so 🫡😬

[@noherczeg]

Am I dumb, or did you forgot to answer the actual question in the video's title? 🙂

[@mooseoncaffeine]

@noherczeg the answer is yes it is dead for now, and yes can be revived through the theoretical support I talked about. It's definitely my fault for not directly answering, sorry! While editing I did feel this script was kinda rushed 😬

[@jamesdavid2893]

Traditional hypercarry 😭😭😭 Get a grip.

[@dante19890]

its dead

[@jamesdavid2893]

@dante19890 what because you say it is ? Interesting.

[@dante19890]

@@jamesdavid2893 No, because I understand how this game works. 1.X hypercarry units will just be worse and worse when the powercreep tier increases.

[@jamesdavid2893]

@dante19890 the game is dynamic, gacha games nobody cares for version 1 units to last forever, hypercarry won't die the whole concept of it remains as it's the core.. units buff the dps, if people want to hang on to everyone forever wah wah.

[@dante19890]

@@jamesdavid2893 you have to realize that the 1.X units will never be competitive again against the newest meta units. Even if new supports will buff them, they will buff the newer dps even better.