Can Karate Beat Wing Chun in a Street Fight

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Who won?

[@rezateymori2023]

Both of them 😇

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Loved how both sides showed their moves. Very cool!

[@scandisamurai8899]

WING CHUN all the way! James Franco had no chance 😂☯️🐉🐲

[@broenslee1981]

We the one who was watching😂

[@collincarley769]

Both of U did GR8

[@danlewis7707]

The real winner is us. We got to see some dope choreography and Sensei Seth sneaking in to talk some smack.

[@davifdavid4347]

As a Wing Chun man myself,I think Zen's techniques were awesome. To my way of thinking,it's not about who is better or worse,it's about what works in a real situation. The utmost respect to all styles of martial arts.

[@RubenWilson-fv9yw]

Thank you , I agree ! My name is Ruben Karate Joe Wilson . I like you , you have a lot of respect for the Martial World 😔

[@bianka5824]

Yes Wing Chun was alot faster

[@justinchan6043]

Zen's applications and techniques were effective and were just as effective as the Wing Chun's. I would like to see such a video comparing Wing Chun, Karate, and Hung Gar (what I studied), in terms of self defense.

[@zakinthetube]

me too I am into wing chun wong shun leung for 7 years. WC is a superb style and way of thinking and knowledge of the body. But this karate was also superb: I love a lot of moves seen in this video. wc is faster but karate can quit a combat in less moves

[@SenseiSeth]

Holy crap I didn’t realize I was talking for so long 😂😂

[@broenslee1981]

Yes you did😂😂😂

[@nautilusmollusc5860]

Felt like you were channeling Master Ken there 😆

[@jckingsley]

This being added in voluntarily by Kevin makes me like the both of you ten times more. lol

[@posapop27]

Lmao 😅

[@vaibhavgurung5585]

You also looked sleepy sensei, coz probably you were!😂

[@Doskharaas]

Seth’s collaboration is good to understand from another point of view

[@jfearless3420]

Anyone think that Seth looks like Luka Doncic?

[@UnexpectedWonder]

​@@jfearless3420 Always. 😂😂🤣🤣 Genetics are fascinating.

[@WithBrownHair]

I wasn't going to comment but after skimming the section I wanted to make this observation: Zen's karate is very technical and looks great. I did Shotokan for 7 years as a kid, so while I am no expert or even a practitioner anymore, I have seen enough instructors/competitors to know when somebody moves well and he definitely does. Okinawan styles have less rigid movement and emphasize the whipping motion more at the end of their techniques. Kevin was great as always, I just wanted to throw a compliment in Zen's way too.

[@johndeeregreen4592]

Zen was very fluid in his movements for a Karate practitioner. Normally, Karate in the modern-day sense is more brute force and to win points... Zen is smooth as silk.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

I can’t believe Sensei Seth infiltrated my video! 😟

[@camiloiribarren1450]

He interrupted the program for a quick announcement like a breaking newscaster lol

[@highrollreviews4260]

I also have a suspicion he threw in that singing at the end as a sneaky little reference to Jesse. He can’t keep getting away with destroying the barriers between worlds like this.

[@infestchristopher1457]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@manorueda1432]

but he sings in the video, I pressed the like button at that very moment 😅👍

[@vaibhavgurung5585]

😂I thought it was a KZbin commercial!

[@Gojukid]

That karate had some amazing moves you can tell he studies a legit style and is so crisp with everything, I aspire to be as good as him one day.

[@carlzy6823]

Timestamps for the Wing chun moves: 1. Haymaker: 1:57 2. Knife stab: 2:20 3. Knife slash: 2:43 4. Shirt grab and punch to the face: 3:08 5. Front tackle: 3:34 6. Headbutt: 5:44 7. Headlock: 6:11 8. Knee to the groin: 6:38 9. Low kick to the leg: 7:05 10. Bearhug from behind: 7:38

[@H3llzrav3n]

Moves that aren't even wing chun, dude had a bland of other styles

[@florisvanlingen]

​@@H3llzrav3n like the kick to the head, it is a wing-chun classic lol

[@moominpic]

I felt with the knife attacks, the karate moves controlled the knife arm more than the wing chun techniques.

[@djsangre]

My 2 cents, from someone who practiced Karate Shito-Ryu for 12 years and Wing Chun for about 20: the difference is in the practitioner. If you only do katas and chi sao, you’re screwed no doubt. If you do sparring and pressure training, you may succeed with any martial art.

[@pauljohnson6019]

As someone who is still practicing Shotokan karate- kata's are very useful, once you know the Bunkai (application) of using it, in a street fight, if you're just doing the moves, without applying it in real life, yes, it's just for show.

[@talaniel]

@@pauljohnson6019 Yeah, kata without bunkai is... I do not know how to describe it - it is just not enough. Without bunkai, it is just a dance, a body exercise.

[@frankdux5693]

I did boxing and kickboxing. Dabbled in some MMA. In my experience the guys that do karate, taekwondo wing chung etc can't fight for shit.

[@zakinthetube]

me too for WC, you're right!

[@NationChosenByGod]

Wing Chun should have won by one point when you tried to disarm an opponent with a weapon on hand. If you look closely, Wing Chun disarmed an opponent's weapon which you should always go for while karate went for the opponent's body instead of the weapon. Let's not the forget that the weapon was near his neck if you watch the video again.

[@JimRemington]

Less movement on the wing chun seems like the karate is all over

[@graysonbusse6441]

Pleasure to get beat up by these talented Martial Artist and the headgear was much appreciated!

[@game9848]

People forget that Kevin has skills from other MARTIAL ARTS(Muay Thai, Savate, Eskrima, BJJ, etc...) hidden in his Wing Chun. HE HAS THE POWER.

[@Herowebcomics]

As a Kung fu guy,I was partial to Wing Chun, but the Karate guy was cool too!😎

[@TaskForce_Raccoon]

Lol, "That is Karate, you can tell by the way that it is..." I wasn't expecting a Neature Walk reference from Seth.

[@beantownbanshees]

After seeing you and Jesse Enkamp do similar videos on this it would be great to see a bunch of different martial arts used and compared for these common attacks

[@buzzfrictions]

lol "you took the last one from the ip man movie..." 🤣💯

[@chiphan6729]

This video is amazing. I have trained in Seibukan Karate at the Brown Belt level, and I've also practiced a verry bit of Wing Chun from one of your fellow students under Sifu Francis Fong. Thank you for this fantastic video, and I wish you good health.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@chiphan6729 that’s awesome!!!!

[@u59n]

Effectiveness & Practicality: ----------------------------------------------- 1. Haymaker: Wing Chun 2. Knife Stab: Wing Chun 3. Knife Slash: Wing Chun 4. Shirt Grab & Face Punch: Wing Chun 5. Front Tackle: Both but Slant to Karate 6. Head Butt: Wing Chun (chain palm strike to the face / Bil Jee Eye jab) or Karate nose palm strike) 7. Head Lock: Karate 8. Knee to Groin: Wing Chun 9. Low kick to leg: Wing Chun 10. Bear Hug: Wing Chun

[@jarosawprzewoka9271]

I had fun watching this.I'm asking for more "such" duels. Kudos to the stuntman.

[@Brainwashed101]

I love how Zen's response for #10 was straight-up just Naihanchi

[@mikeunderwood659]

Great vid🤛 Loved the Seth cameo😂

[@posapop27]

People critiquing this vid are taking it WAY too seriously 😂

[@danilomax844]

Great video! Different techniques, but each one has its own efficiency. Thanks for posting!

[@VincentEnojada]

❤

[@elizabethcox7739]

I am a Wing Chun woman.... LOVED this video Kevin... proves the art is in the practitioner....every move was impressive and practice makes perfect!... loved Zen's moves but yours were just as awesome, just different. React how you feel you can best deal with attack, regardless of what martial art you practice. I do LOVE Wing Chun though👊👊👊

[@-IFFTI-]

Both of them are great! Kevin! Your are absolute amazing!

[@chavagonzalez9734]

I heard that some people think that Wing Chun is useless, but personally I think that any martial art can be effective, that depends on the person who practices

[@MitchellBPYao]

Wing Chun is Chinese style and karate Japanese

[@scottbussler4041]

Wow! I've never seen Seibukan represented online! His demonstration gave me some serious nostalgia. I was lucky to have trained at the Seibukan dojo in Okinawa many years ago. Shimbakuro!

[@eddyb777]

Very entertaining! I think they’re pretty close in effect but personally I think Wing Chun got it.

[@HappyCommando92494]

Given the fact that Wing Chun & Karate are both siblings and have the same parent art (White Crane) I think they're equal & deserve that tie.

[@ryogahibiki7806]

Wingchun is like karate’s young cousin, both descendant from the same grandfather

[@HappyCommando92494]

@@ryogahibiki7806 They're brother & sister. Wing Chun is the older sister (founded by a woman centuries earlier) whilst Karate was founded by various pioneers from Ryukyu (renamed Okinawa) in the 1800s

[@ryogahibiki7806]

@@HappyCommando92494 ok I already lost which is older but I agree, and yeah i also consider wingchun female

[@philipm.2129]

Okay Kevin, okay Zen, I will judge this fair by not only giving points to Wing Chun or Karate, but by explaining why I would favor the one or the other. Let´s start: 1. Haymaker - point goes to Wing Chun: Here it´s not so much of importance what you do after you´ve defended the Haymaker attack, because they both have good ideas to follow-up. What is of importance is who of them stopped the force of the haymaker more effective or more economic to then go for a counter offensive. Since both - Wing Chun and Karate - understood that they had to block the opponents swinging arm - due to power management - at his inside of the bend of the elbow (not a the wrist!), Wing Chun did it more effectively by using a Biu Sao motion, where you spear your arm out to meet the attack at the earliest to stop it much further away from you - taking the power out of it. Much like a starting plane which is denied a proper runway. If you combine this thrusting motion with cutting the angle of the attack and wrapping your hand around the opponents arm to utilize a spiral energy, the hook doesn´t have a chance to even develop its full power potential. Karate did use more of an upper block to defend against the Haymaker - again ... on the right spot - but letting the swinging arm getting more closer, which can be dangerous if your adversary just has long arms and his collapsing forearm might connect to you even you blocked it. 2. Knife stab - no points given - Karate and Wing Chun sucks: Karate - the double cross arm downward block Gedan Juji Uke in combination with your leg placed back into a front stance may safe you from being stabbed to the stomach at first, but leaves your whole face and upper body unprotected. An attacker would simply follow-up-punching you into your face, free his knife and then stab you to death. Or, as soon as his knife hand got blocked, he would turn up the blade to the sky, rake it back and cut your wrists. If he is very good he would also trap your crossed arms with just one arm while pulling the knife back. Furthermore, as you did the arm lock while you brought your opponent to the floor, the knife hand was fully alive and at the end rested onto your neck. If you do not control the knife hand at all times your just dead meat. In process of the arm lock the uncontrolled knife hand can do severe danger to yourself since elbow and wrist is free to move and has enough space to even stab you in the neck area. Your "opponent" was placing the knife hand here very relaxed and motionless onto your shoulder - nice gesture, but reality would kill you. Wing Chun - what you did great was to step out of the way of the attack! When attacked by a bladed weapon and in a thrusting manner it is more important to avoid it then to block it. What you did next was to simultaneously Pak Sao (slapping hand) and palm strike, then switching to Lap Sao (pulling hand) and Fak Sao (chopping hand or arm strike). Here starts the problem: maybe you can pull this off against an unarmed attacker who wants to punch you, but against a knife thrust it´s very unlikely. See, if you do Pak Sao and palm strike you´ve just one hand in control of the knife hand while you´re palm striking. If the palm strike is not enough to stun your opponent quite well or if the palm strike is blocked, your one-hand-control is not sufficient to manage the knife hand, because your attacker can pull back the knife using not just his arm but his entire body mechanics or simply redirect his knife into another angle of attack. When you did the switching into Lap Sao and Fak Sao things got even more worse, because for an blink of an eye you lost entire control of the knife hand, which is absolute inadequate. 3. Knife slash - point goes to Karate: Karate applies once again the Juji Uke (cross arm block) but this time at Jodan (high) level. What I liked is the initial evading movement to the outside while applying Juji Uke. Since the knife blade and tip is not pointing downward and the attacker commits to his motion, I would say there is certain probability to survive with your Karate response. What I liked too is that your Juji Uke provided a double hand control on the knife arm with which you guided the attack along its way and down, not obstructing the attackers motion but redirecting it downwards. Then groin kick and shuto (knife hand) chop to the neck - okay. I would have liked it more, if you had maintained the double hand control, kicked and then dragged your opponend down to the floor for ground control and disarmament, but it´s okay. Wing Chun on contrary puts its whole defense on a stopkick, blocking the knife hand attack only afterwards. If your stop kick hasn´t the desired effect, your block wouldn´t be substantial enough to stop the force of the coming down knife hand. Karate keep in mind: I give you this credit only according to this specific attack situation, where we have an attacker who commits to his attack and follows a clear attacking path. Anything else: knife is pointing downwards, angle of attack is not clear to assume, attacker is feinting, attacker is wielding wildly and in a unpredictable way - you would suck with your techniques as much as Wing Chun would. 4. Shirt grab + punch to the face - point goes to Karate: Karate does what Wing Chun should be famous for - simplicity! As the attacker grabs, Karate instantly went for a direct counter attack to the attackers throat or jaw. That´s what self-defense is meant to be - not playing around, but to counter strike immediately. I would have liked it more, if you had took control over the grabbing hand at the same time you struck your opponent, but the fact that your engaged directly right after being grabbed assured you to win this point. To control the grabbing hand would be the topping to make sure that your opponent doesn´t have the option to disengage and strike you with the grabbing hand. Your counter strike utilized the concept of intercepting or direct counter attacking which is for example in Shito Ryu Karate to be referred as Hangeki - a flower greets the morning sun. This concept of intercepting or direct counter attacking ensures that your attacker is busy defending or gets stunned, while you keep the initiative for more attacks to be followed. So, you instantly counter attack and then attack, attack and attack some more to oversaturate and overcome your opponents reaction or defense. Bonus for Karate: if your initial throat or jaw strike wouldn´t have suceeded, you would have had a good chance to block the incoming punch of the attacker with your attacking arm since your counter strike was same sided as the highly expected punch of your adversary. Wing Chun on contrary focussed first on controlling and manipulating the grabbing hand with two hands, which was unnecessary to do and set a time delay from which the attacker could profit and launch his secondary attack - the punch to the face. This would have put Wing Chun more and more into defense - a place we don´t want to be! Okay, Wing Chun also followed with a Fak Sao (chopping hand or arm strike) to the throat of the attacker and does some more techniques to put him down, but in the initial response Karate was more direct and efficient. 5. Front tackle - point goes to Karate and to Wing Chun - a draw: Karate and Wing Chun both realized that thay had to step out in a 45 degree angle to avoid meeting the force of the tackle. Karate beautyfully used a Uchi Uke (inner forearm block) as a frame on his opponents neck to put diagnonal pressure on him and his base of stability, while Wing Chun did the same by using a Kwan Sao motion (rotating hand). After that, both - Karate and Wing Chun - used striking to subdue their opponents. Karate used a head control and repeatedly executed punches while Wing Chun used a elbow strike and a takedown. Both did right, both win a point. 6. Headbutt - point goes Karate: Honestly, the decision was not easy, but I found Karate to be a bit more direct and massively counter offensive as Wing Chun. Karate did something I really like - simultaneously controlling on of the opponents holding arms while striking with a Jodan (high) level Empi Uchi (elbow strike) like an uppercut between arms of the assailant. In this combined motion lies also a very effective pull-push-momentum. When we assume that the attacked intended to headbutt, the elbow strike of Karate right under the forthcoming head of the attacker is a fight ender! Wing Chun did it also good, but in my opinion not simply and crushing like Karate. Wing Chun used the double crossed arms position out of the first form, when the arms are places horizontal to the ground and parallel above each other right before they separate for a simultaneous double arm strike left and right. This crossed arms position was used to stop the headbutt of the attacker and of course to hit him in the face or in both of his temples. Afterwards Wing Chun was dealing with the holding arms. Could work, yes of course. But I believe that the elbow strike of Karate solves the problem once and for all. Wing Chun Bonus: the crossed arms position over the holding arms of the attacker provided a excellent overall control against any possible striking attempt of the arms of the attacker. But if we assume that after the headbutt there would be a striking attempt - Karate has one arm grabbed and due to the elbow strike a very good face cover block build up against a possible secondary hook of the attackers holding arm, which is not under control. To be continiued ...

[@Despair_8]

This dude here analysing sensei and masters from other side of the screen, i mean who tf r u even , and are u even qualified for this? Accurately describing mike tyson's quote "everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face"

[@luisalbertoramoschamana3247]

Bien, haz un video!

[@4.23.21]

His karate reminds me of a long fist style of kungfu with lots of standing grappling like judo and long fist kungfu had baby

[@mattpatterson9128]

Nice Chum Kiu Form Kevin.

[@EunMin69]

Thank you Kevin for this video! I love the demonstration on two different styles in a street fight. After seeing your video training with sifu Francis I've been a fan. Keep up the great work you are doing! I hope to find a class soon to train!

[@goody3shoes543]

So happy when I saw that recreated Ip Man scene lol. Great vid.

[@xfit8026]

Karate won. The moves were more practical, although I think the Wing Chun was too orthodox in execution. Reality is different from what is seen. But, the Karate man won the contest.

[@michaelbeasley4479]

This was awesome and had my full attention the whole tim! Next, Wing Chun vs Muay Thai or Taekwondo.

[@mellonhead9568]

Ameri-Dote is #1

[@kidflash9905]

Always restomp

[@mellonhead9568]

@@kidflash9905 x10 re-stomp that groin

[@azlaroc12]

😂

[@dro2204]

It’s too deadly to test 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@porkrindslim]

Hail Master Ken!!! I think the “Hurticane” may do well in these instances 😂

[@gw1357]

These were fun. If I'd been scoring it would have been... 1) Haymaker to Wing Chun -- simpler, faster, more direct 2) Knife Stab to Wing Chun -- got to get off the line...both solutions were Hollywood, but just catching it with an x-block is a little too Hollywood 3) Knife Slash to Karate -- its not so much that I didn't like the Wing Chun solution, but I give karate the nod for getting off the line and for the flashiness of sword handing the brain stem 4) Shirt Grab to Wing Chun -- this is Wing Chun's wheelhouse...love the neck control 5) Front Tackle to Wing Chun -- they're very similar, but I go with Wing Chun because of the elbow strike 6) Headbutt to Karate -- I wanted to give this one to Wing Chun because its at trapping range, but I didn't think the choreography came across as well 7) Headlock to Wing Chun -- the Wing Chun sweep was more efficient than the karate double leg 8) Knee to the Groin to Wing Chun -- again, I think karate thinking its going to stuff a full body knee with an x-block is fantasy land and the karate sequence sort of relies on the attacker leaving his knee there to be captured...whereas the Wing Chun sequence moves off the line and just parries the knee 9) Low Kick to Karate -- the knee kick to ridgehand was nice...I think the attacker really has to telegraph for the Wing Chun counter to work 10) Bearhug to Wing Chun -- i like the Wing Chun groin strike more than karate's magic shrug to make space...also, I like the immediate neck control by wing chun more than karate expecting the guy to stand there and eat a sweep So I would have scored it 7-3 for Wing Chun. I am biased though. Also, they're demo choreography so its all just in good fun anyway. We knew it was going to end up tied. lol

[@trvnthch]

i trained almost 8 years of taekwondo, so its similar to karate, but i also gotta give it to wing chun

[@vincenthyman895]

this was a hilarious video and Zen’s new name is Zen Bushido. lol

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

each style could play out in a real-life situation. Great breakdown of the strengths and weaknesses!

[@Falkk]

the stuntman was awesome! Great idea, guys

[@robertbridges191]

Karate, Kung Fu, both works when needed in certain situations and environments. There's no such thing as a "better system or method." It all depends on the practitioner! Based on my own experiences, it's best to know both thoroughly! Respect!

[@LimitBloxScripts]

In the end Wing Chun won, it is better overall it is cooler and better.

[@charlesrochagtr]

seem less effective in a non controled situation

[@kalikop]

Sensei Seth coming in the middle of the video with his commentary was the best 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BMO_Creative]

LOL!!! The stunt dude is gettin beat! LOL and he's the one doin the scoring?!? LOL Too good Kev!

[@aucomint]

I had a lot of fun watching your movie. Each one is good at his art. And the stunt man did a good job, too adding some theatre to his play.

[@otisbeck5327]

I have a personal mantra: black dog, yellow dog; if it retrieves pheasants, then it's a good dog. Great video!

[@andrewah15]

It was a surprise to see Sensei Seth appear in the video. 😎 Both looked very effective in self defence. It’s looking like it’s better to know both styles. 🤔

[@slade2860]

I think to determinate the winner, it must be a spar Kevin vs seth

[@jarekkowalski1032]

You guys were both good and are a real commercial for your respective martial arts

[@JonKendall-b8i]

I enjoyed that ! I think both styles are really good, feel sorry for their crash test dummy 😗😉(fun to watch, thanks !!

[@1Epicdoom]

You do, Kung Fu or you do, dodo was told to me by my teacher lol I think that all forms of Martial arts are useful in different situations. I see a lot of the techniques used in many other forms that can lead right back to wing chun or could easily be adapted to. Great video

[@CCKEDITZ]

Really great video! Seth was just perfect!

[@muhammadkamran8378]

Depends on what you are good at and your ability to apply your system in a real situation. Both guys techniques are worth learning irrespective of style. Nice works guys❤

[@thomasthebest7700]

i also do Wing Chun kung fu (i started learning it 8 years ago) and i recognise the moves btw i've noticed that karate has simular moves to Wing Chun and Wing Chun is also using techniques from other martial arts :D

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@thomasthebest7700 💯💯💯

[@Baiyoubai]

Great video, but I would love to see what each martial artist would do when they had not known beforehand what the stuntman would do, and score based on that. Afterall, that's how a street fight goes.

[@seasickviking]

I think we should add both practicality & simplicity to the judging categories, because that's exactly what you need in a street fight. While a number of these techniques are effective, a few also seem a bit unnecessarily complicated. Focusing on simplicity & practicality, I gotta rate it: Haymaker: Karate Knife Stab: Wing Chun Knife Slash: Karate Shirt Grab: Wing Chun Front Tackle: Karate Headbutt: Karate Headlock: Wing Chun Knee To Groin: Wing Chun Low Kick: Wing Chun Bearhug: Karate RESULT: Still Ends in Tie....damn

[@Golnax]

Honestly, both practitioners looked pretty amazing in this. I feel like both of them executed their defenses very well. The only one that I disagree with is the knife stab. I would have given that to Wing Chun, because I was taught that if you can get the knife out of your attacker's hand, it's best to do so to prevent them from attempting to attack you with it again. Nothing wrong with how Zen performed his take down, that shin kick to get the knife away just seems more practical to me!

[@winddragonmma]

Just so you know, Wing Chun is about saving time! Energy preservation, and speed. It's actually not a style. It's really just applying higher IQ in hand to hand fighting. I'd also like to say that every Wing Chun is not the same! People have many different expressions of it. Although based on the same fundamentals, it varies per person. Karate, one strike one kill theory differs in mindset. It was a great comparison. Thanks for the video! Lastly, I know to many the short Wing Chun strikes appear powerless, but I can assure you, from a well trained person short range power can feel like getting hit by a mack truck!

[@biker3762]

you forgot the most impotant thing in thsi world is to rip bruce lee the inventor and best fighter o all time

[@Alpha-p6p]

Seth looks like Miyagi

[@ThomasAurielPiano]

I hope Jesse Enkamp will watch this.

[@jamesasmith2494]

Entertaining! Thanks for posting.

[@andrewhorn2623]

I love how sensei Seth just got prideful and had to make his point🤣🤣

[@ferhanshiekh6138]

6:39 I was anticipating for you to catch his foot in the goat stance.

[@Marvellous132]

It's not just about the style, it's about the proponent. Wing Chun suits me (and my age) better, but I respect all style of Martial Arts and the dedication it takes to perfect them. Better to be open to what works from other styles than your own, than being protective of your style like a baby. "Learning is like swimming upstream. The moment you stop, you go backwards"

[@HighMojo]

Shoutout to Grayson for being such a sport as the punching bag.

[@tomasrosa6486]

As a wing chun practitioner its not about what style is best its how efficient is the person in that specific style to perform those techniques. Respect to all martial arts

[@tomasrosa6486]

Wing chun is the best always in my eyes

[@IxNxFxExRxNxO]

How can the second move go to karate when the opponent is still holding the knife at the back of your neck?

[@ombra711]

He's holding the knife hand you silly goose.

[@NationChosenByGod]

Disagree. The karate-ka didn't grab his arm, but the arm was placed outside not to let the opponent have a better position of stabbing; however, an opponent with the knife on hand is still dangerous.

[@sirmeon1231]

I love how out of nowhere Seth appears 😂 I aggree with him though on the fact that the judging might have been very subjective... There were a couple of defenses I would have given to the other side, but hey that's life I guess!

[@LaJesse]

Haha 😂 That looked like so much fun! Hey Kevin, I’d like to be a dummy in some of your videos 🤕

[@camiloiribarren1450]

This is great! I love how both sides use different techniques to counter certain situations and noticed how Kevin used plenty of takedowns when he’s up. Both sides used good takedowns. Zen used a sepai move in the knee to groin scenario. Loved the last move Kevin used from the Ip-Man movie. As a Goju Ryu karateka, I thought of some counters as well: 1) Haymaker: use the first 3 moves of Gekisai 1 or 2 2) Knife stab: use the throw move in Kururunfa 3) Knife slash: rising block to then grab knife hand and break the arm from Seipai 4) Shirt Grab + Punch: 2nd to last move in Seiyunchin 5) Front Tackle: Final three moves in Seipai 6) Headbutt: Uppercut+back fist+downward block as a takedown from Seiyunchin 7) Headlock: Leg pick+ and down toss from Seipai 8) Knee to groin: same as #7 9) Low kick to leg: Lift front leg to Stomp Kick to kicking leg and take down from Sanseru 10) Bear hug from Behind: Cat stance+ back elbow from Seiyunchin combined with open palm strikes from Shisochin

[@alphonzoirwine6231]

😂 your Wing Chun is funny!! When we fight we fight dirty! Your fight style way to clean and appropriate 🤣…My Sifu would shred his opponent in just a few seconds with every move! RIP Sifu Lacey, both twins.

[@env4153]

very impresive, both techniques. Before Ip Man nobody knew Wing Chun and Karate was very popular....

[@donatoienzi9775]

Wing chun for ever

[@supyos430]

Would have been nice to get an explanation as to why they got the point. I think they were both really good but in a real fight I was like that would work and that wouldn’t work but 🤷‍♀️ lol

[@iramiyahira8301]

Okinawan. Karate Is crisp and HARD!!! ❤😂❤

[@krisdavis3888]

This was a lot of fun, but I would reverse the first 2 and would give the first one to karate and the knife stab to Wing Chun with the way he was able to send the knife flying out of the stuntman's hand. Also the groin kick was a close contest, I still give it to karate but that knee stomp from Wing Chun was awesome.

[@Doskharaas]

I can see that Shotokan Karate is for long range attack especially weaponed opponent, and Wing tsun quan is for short range especially is grabbed by opponent.

[@salvatoreplacidoplumari3840]

that is true. Practicing on my own also Shorin- Ryu (in my case Matsubayashi-Ryu Karate, lineage Nagamine- Shima- Oshiro), I notice during sparring sessions that I am a little bit confused if a "Shotokan guy" starts from the distance.. but here we have Seibukan (Sakunaihayashi)

[@johndough8115]

WCs longest weapons, are the Front Kick, and the Finger Strike techniques. But you have to remember... in order for the Attacker to be able to Strike you... they NEED to get close enough. As such... the moment the attacker steps towards you... is usually when you Counter + Counterstrike. Also realize, that there is a large difference between Sparring, and actual Barefist combat. In sparring... fighters often hop around just outside of each others Ranges. However, in the bar / nightclub... when some dude gets aggressive... they charge at you like a Bull... with fists flying rapidly and repeatedly. There is no "Dancing" outside of ranges. In fact, many will often assume that they might eat a punch.. in order to deliver their own.

[@garythomas4431]

As a student of wing chun for 40+ years, I find the video authentic. Both Wing Chun and Karate are effective in a "bar brawl" situation, which is represented here. Karate, when properly executed, would eliminate the opponent before they got close. In a crowded area, like most bars, Wing Chun, being a close combat art, would be more effective.

[@thunderkatz4219]

This isnt shotokon

[@vaibhavgurung5585]

@@johndough8115absolutely, learning a bit of wingchun close quarter fighting or Muay Thai clinching is an added skill for 2nd layer protection since most attacks are surprising in nature and we may find our safe distance breached in a real fight situation. Close quarter is like ground BJJ skills but for the stand up fight. 🙌

[@Verdeoxid]

LOVE It, so fun ✨

[@vikramgeet]

The starting wing chun looked like a dance

[@turbopowergt]

That was a lot of fun. I love the energy.

[@sefdelarosa8604]

Both very impressive, both have different techniques, they also both have great results. I did subscribed to Kevin Lee, last week. I find that he goes out of his way to show you the differences and he is humble about it. I recently started taking JKD at home and learning Wing Chun. But my background is Krav Maga. Very impressive video.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Thank you for subscribing!

[@neogabriel1320]

this content is great but underrated

[@Mochifier]

Zen: *You used that from the IP Man movie right?* Kevin: *Still works.* Me if I was there: *Wing Chun, IP Man.😂😂😂

[@tychobra1]

I appreciate both athletes and their techniques. But man, how do I love the beauty of those Wing Chun moves!

[@donatoienzi9775]

Thee only way is wing chun ❤

[@P.o_interest]

Hello everyone. I hope you have a great entire day! Now, that knife attack I had to give it to Wing Chun. Reason being is because when attacked, you would want to move outside of the weapon then strike to get away. Karate held the knife near his abdomen which the attacker could've still drove into him. But great videos!

[@cassyeung2358]

Wing Chun Kung Fu wins it all!. :) Also suggest: Shaolin Kung Fu- very good strong style, as well.

[@angelfigueroa6825]

That was really interesting, but I would have given it to Kevin because I think he did better with the knife attacks. The first one he disarmed the attacker, the second one he was controlling the weapon hand the whole time.

[@tavaresovski]

Thanks for the video, I practice wing chun and karate.

[@darkmoon137]

Based

[@shanecardenas3227]

It’s easy to predict a countermeasure when you know what the attack is going to be

[@dalehill6127]

Repeat after me: DE-MON-STRA-TION.😊

[@shanecardenas3227]

@@dalehill6127 To demonstrate who would win in a simulated fight? There are plenty of videos out there like that, I was hoping for a more real one that’s all 🤷 That being said, I do enjoy his videos so I’m not being a hater. I do like his traveling videos and also the one where he took a trip to Stephen Wonderboy Thompson’s gym. Pretty cool!

[@JustSomeGuy69420]

this feels more like something that goes in your CV so you can get a job in a martial arts movie.

[@Moribunny]

I am a layman, but I thought the "softness" of the wing chun and "hardness" of the karate were easily noticeable. Zen excelled in explosive, powerful moves, but his form was a little disjointed and robotic. Kevin didn't seem to hit as hard in general, but he excelled in fluidity of motion which also seems like it would be important in a real fight. These relative differences really fit with what I conceive karate and wing chun to be, so I got the sense that the contrast we see is authentic.

[@moalex6617]

Anyone else saw how fast Kevin's fists were in the Shirt grab and Punch to face was? Imagine how painful that's going to be if he was trying to hit as hard as he can.

[@reytrevino8284]

Both systems have a lot to offer, but I think that karate's basics are a lot more powerful and easier to perform and therefore are more likely to allow a new student to successfully defend themselves in a street encounter.

[@456steel]

Very impressive from both styles. And both would work in a fight.

[@manorueda1432]

"karate is the best... arooouuuunnnnd" 😂👍👍👍

[@djihandjihan9071]

Plz i need karate vs kung fu😢

[@mikeposavic9646]

I like karate it's really impressive watching someone that's good at it. Kevin's Wing Chun was very good, too.