Can Pro Gamers Spot The FAKE Speedrun?

[@karljobst]

Huge thanks to all the legends that took part in this video! Check out the latest and greatest tablet on the market from REDMAGIC with their new Nova Gaming Tablet: bit.ly/4e3VY3v

[@Sly88Frye]

I might consider that tablet if it's as affordable as I'm hoping it might be

[@MonkeyDLuffy-ed4fj]

Just buy an iPad, not that scam

[@NicoleMarie.]

Where is the playlist?

[@Scottyg8050]

5th

[@donwald3436]

Hello back you absolute legend!

[@Jrose11]

You can tell how massive a speedrun fan Wirtual is. He was dead on every time, recognizing the specific scandal, honestly was really cool to see! (No shade on the other runners btw, I don't think I'd have gotten them all)

[@r0bz0rly]

hey jrose, just wanted to say thank you for making my lockdown much more bearable back in 2020, love your runs

[@Bokatrice]

Wirtual is such a big name in the speed game community, given how much he covers TrackMania content. Highly recommend watching his stuff, even if you aren't super interested in TrackMania!

[@vyor8837]

Didn't expect to see you here

[@helloenemy]

This stuff ain’t easy. This is really specialized and specific stuff to know and differentiate for sure.

[@luciddreamworks]

Woww jrose is here :D...and I completely agree. Wirtual is a smart cookie.

[@Couriway]

Thanks for asking me to explain the cheated Minecraft run! was really fun to go back in time and remember this

[@mytinsaw]

really cool to see you in vids that aren't your main channel! it's like a jumpscare 😭

[@Jackoff_icial]

as soon as I heard your name I was like oh sure, of course he'll know! :)

[@DontSigh]

congratulations on creating a new online identity where people don't know how much of a creep you are

[@AshleyTheFighter]

This is a great way to really show how hard it is to figure out what’s legit and not, each video was like 1-2 minutes LONG, MOST SPEEDRUNS ARE HOURS AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SAYING “If your a pro, you’d totally notice something wrong.” OH REALLY??!

[@bigchungus6827]

While I don't disagree with the general point, this isn't a good example of that. Most of the speedrunners judging the clips in this video are, by their own admission, largely unfamiliar with the speedruns of the different games shown and certainly not pros at any of them. For most of the clips they basically said outright they didn't know the game and were guessing.

[@antondahlen]

Also, it is _way_ easier when you know for a fact a video is supposed to contain something fishy, and most people will see the cheated videos only after they are exposed. The unconscious bias of hindsight.

[@iced-]

@@bigchungus6827 yeah, though I think they could've done a bit better in terms of analysing the clips, I got 2.5/4 despite only having played and watched 1 of them enough to be knowledgable. The Mario run was obvious since it was just paying attention to see if the numbers changed, I didn't get the Zelda run but I paid attention to the wrong things and just dismissed the cheated part, the Goldeneye run was easy after noticing that both runs were pretty much the same in terms of gameplay so it had to be something at the end I didn't know which weapon he was supposed to have though, I knew what was wrong with the Minecraft run as soon as I saw that it included the loading screen because I remember the situation.

[@EphemeralDust]

You would think a pro of the game in question would be better suited to spotting the errors, but I do think for some of these types of cheats a pro of a game has done so many runs and had so many unlikely things happen that they are more forgiving to inconsistencies because they have personally seen some extremely unlikely things happen to themselves. Spotting cheaters is just so hard and you don't want to be to the person falsely calling someone out.

[@cursedhawkins1305]

I'd argue that the generalized point is more for the game's those pros ARE specialized in, like DarkViper is more specialized in GTA speedruns, so give him a few fake clips of cheated GTA speedruns and he would likely be able to spot them no problem, take him out of his zone of expertise and you get different results which was the case here.

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

This is a really good idea but I wanted to see their reaction to knowing if they're right or wrong and finding out why. That's too important to NOT include.

[@Juan_DeSantis]

This. I was kinda bummed after the first round and didn't include the reactions but the video was still very enjoyable. If the reaction to the results could be included in some way that would be very satisfying. Either way, I hope he makes more!

[@mykeljmoney]

Absolutely correct! Great video, but I that would’ve made it just that much better!

[@JBLilPaper]

This and I wanted to play along too without getting the cheating context before hand

[@ShuuichiNitori]

@@JBLilPaper well, you were given the option to do that, if you watch the first section of the video

[@JBLilPaper]

@@ShuuichiNitori man I wished i realized that before watching, dang it

[@fignons_missing_8sec4]

For Golden Eye I was expecting you to say I asked one the of the best Golden Eye players in the world, Karl Jobst to craft me two runs.

[@DibsAtraiyu]

I was expecting karl to use his own run personally... But the way you worded it made it funnier

[@anteshell]

My immediate reaction to what he said was disappointed "who?!" because I too was fully expecting him to call out himself there.

[@b1nary_f1nary]

He really screwed up by not making this joke

[@markredford84]

Lol exactly what I was thinking, I definitely would have self inserted if I was Karl

[@ActionHeinz]

I thought exaclty the same when he started the sentence... and was disappointed at the end 😂

[@jmhg92]

If they have a facecam, you can EASILY spot it's fake if they're not eating a slice of pizza and drinking soda.

[@faceurhell]

I do not care how many times I read this comment... I laugh every time.

[@Prolean_]

I remember that

[@Neopumper666]

I still feel ashamed of them making mexico a laughing stock in the speedworld community. Back then badabum was already trash but many people consumed their content so a lot of people fell for it. I immediately knew how fake and stupid it was lol

[@maxschmidt666]

Hahaha I was looking for this comment!

[@OlgaZuccati]

or doing a victory dance to the camera

[@rotciv1492]

I swear I can hear the Home - We're Finally Landing every time Summoning Salt speaks. He doesn't even need to add the ost for my brain to add it by itself.

[@duckyboiytreal]

Hearing Summoning Salt talking in a non-scripted inflection is pretty funny

[@didymussumydid9726]

Dude sounds like the worlds most boring AI when reading script

[@josh18link31]

@@didymussumydid9726hell nah it’s chill for watching a hour long video

[@krebgurfson5732]

@@didymussumydid9726 sounded pretty normal, i think you're just comparing it to the "epic reacting" from the other guys which imo is way more annoying.

[@pastorlul2384]

​@krebgurfson5732 No hes comparing Summoning Salts video essay voice and normal voice

[@SB-pf5rc]

i didn't care how right he was, just cool to see him here. simpsons video was surprisingly fire

[@dannyb21892]

This was fun to participate in, thanks for asking me! great vid!

[@skhotzim_bacon]

This was fun to watch, thanks for participating! great vid!

[@BlazeNextGen]

I geniunely wasn´t expecting you to be picked so imagine my jump when your name dropped ♥

[@jan_kulawa]

it was really cool seeing you here

[@SummoningSalt]

🏆💪

[@gohabs8918]

Love your videos. Finished Hit & Run this morning

[@eagleofbrittany7231]

Watched this video literally right after watching the Simpsons one

[@jeremyphillips3087]

Witness me!

[@lastimosaz]

Wow! You know your history so much you called Mario 64 splicing right away damn!

[@sofy2299]

Best storyteller on youtube

[@Wirtual]

Very fun challenge! I will say if we had watched these clips without knowledge that we're looking for cheaters, and if the methods used were more sophisticated than ones people have been busted for in big scandals in the past, I think I would miss every single one. Big credit to everyone who puts in work to keep speedrunning competition fair and honest. It's really not easy🫡

[@Spiney09]

I appreciate that you draw attention to how you would not notice it if you weren’t looking for it. Sometimes it can feel like a cheated run is obvious in hindsight, it’s easy to forget that when people aren’t looking for something like that, things can easily go under the radar for even months or years at a time.

[@eve-llblyat2576]

by checking the google search history of the players we found critical evidences that this quiz doesnt took place in a fair manner. The competitor Wirtual, search history in the timeframe of the quiz had these revealing entrys. -"how to spot a splice in mario n64" " how to count from 1 to 10" -"most famouse splices in Zelda" -"Karl jobst paypal account" -"man with big PP in his pants" " how to remove seen stuff from my memory " " Golden eye, Mp or PP7" -" contact - technoblade;" "how to overcome fear of talking to starngers" We will upload a 150 page document elaborating the cheating accusations for wirtual soon and give him time to comment on these accusations.

[@TheVader495]

Mate you killed it! checked out your channel btw, easy sub :)

[@kaldogorath]

Good job Wirtychan :)

[@pimpdaddyffm]

riolu trained you for this moment

[@TakanashiYuuji]

I have so much more respect for Wirtual now, man knows his speedruns.

[@fabzz6085]

Wirtuals speedrun knowledge is actually insane.

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

Yeah he absolutely killed it here

[@SeraphicSolicitor]

Lol, I saw him at the beginning and was thinking he was too specialized at Trackmania, and then he proceeded to absolutely wipe the floor with it.

[@Monstufpud]

His knowledge of sliding down a pyramid covered in mayonnaise is even greater.

[@CasualAatroxEnjoyer]

@@SeraphicSolicitor you should watch his video documentaries on speedrunning world records, his knowledge is INSANE

[@NerfPlayeR135]

@@CasualAatroxEnjoyer Wirtual's such a good video essayist that he draws in a large number of people who don't play TrackMania.

[@DarkViperAU]

I participated to make everyone else look better by comparison 😅

[@sunnymishra1057]

Maaaato , how you doing?

[@soulreaver017]

If Karl asks you to identify a fake GTA v speedrun you'd destroy everyone

[@Kaimax61]

Matt, hiding his power levels. XD

[@swapbriarASMR]

Always wanted a collab between you two, thanks!

[@3RDLeggedRSPorductions]

Mato performed as expected diving out of a blimp and asking Davie how is he doing instead of doing task assigned to him otherwise he would have spotted each fake run perfectly

[@ThaRixer]

This was a really fun concept Karl, great video. Grats to Wirtual as well, I'd like to think he watches so many runs back in Trackmania that his ability to see small minute differences in runs is second nature to him at this point

[@micholous]

The W in Wirtual is there for a reason I guess

[@gabmadXIII]

The gang's really all here in the comments

[@lolpluslol35]

He is also interested in speedrunning in general, thats why

[@cassidy8307]

Fancy seeing you here, love your videos too

[@mysticat]

i love the spliced areas you picked! wirtual is insane?? lol

[@victorbecker4802]

owo hello!

[@thermophile1695]

Smant fumbling due to overconfidence is incredibly on brand.

[@Furen]

If only he watched it 🤣

[@svarfrecbsx2392]

@@Furen I think in this case even if he watched the second one he still would have went with the first one cause it seemed like he didn't know about the unarmed to pistol part of it

[@Caio22011]

​@@svarfrecbsx2392yep, he did correctly identify the splice, but he saw the last weapon used and never noticed that he ended without any weapon

[@arenten]

i knew about the scandal myself and tried the playlist before watching and made the exact same mistake as smant. knew about the discrepancy but didn't know about the unarmed part

[@Mrrchv8181]

@@Caio22011 I don’t think it’s him “not noticing he finished without holding a weapon”, I think he just didn’t know “no weapon = pistol”, and assumed “no weapon = last used weapon”.

[@regulargoat7259]

People are talking about wirtual's knowledge, but i think Smant's analysis is really impressive. He noticed things others didn't, and while he didnt have the specific game knowledge, his answers were all pretty close. The fact he was able to pick out exactly what was wrong in games he hadn't even played is awesome, even if he misunderstood the 007 one and didn't know the exact scandals the splices were from

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

Smallant's deduction was really impressive. If he had just watched the second clip from 007 I think he would have gotten the right answer for sure.

[@StAngerNo1]

Yeah, although he lacked knowledge, his analysis was very good. Wirtual either knew all of these cheating scandals or looked them up, considering he was the only one who did a post commentary analysis.

[@bertholdb9037]

@@StAngerNo1 You mean it is possible that he cheated on the cheating analysis? He Spliced the splicedetection?

[@StAngerNo1]

@@bertholdb9037 Well, I would not call it cheating, since he had to find the exact way the run was cheated by himself, but he could have looked up what cheating scandals existed in the history of this games to see if he can find any of these in the videos.

[@PointsofData]

​​@@StAngerNo1 He specifically talked about watching Karl's videos in the past, and someone else got the correct answer I think because they had watched Karl's videos (I have ADD and my short term memory is a sieve) so I wouldn't give Smant a round of applause for his analysis...it's more weighted towards those who happen to know what to look for, either because they know that particular game very well or because they had knew the scandals that happened in that community...probably by watching Karl's videos lol. Smant wouldn't know what to analyze if he didn't know at least generally how these games had been cheated. I did thoroughly enjoy Smant's misplaced confidence in the Goldeneye section tho.

[@DennisRash]

You being acknowledged and responded to by some of the best speedrunners of multiplle games and able to conjure the most popular speedrunners shows the work you have put into the community of speedrunning. You yourself are a legend holding records of some of the hardest games to do so in and showing respect to those who bested you in the same game or other games where you admit couldnt hold a candle to. I love your content man, no one holds a candle to your knowledge of the community on how to explain it to us folk. Cheers man.

[@colinofay7237]

Glazer

[@ryotsirrom8354]

@@colinofay7237So sad

[@kempolar9768]

​@@colinofay7237I imagine you call literally everyone a glazer don't you? Sadly you can't call your own parents that though.

[@squidikka]

You really like holding candles, huh?

[@YOEL_44]

What an overcomplicated way of writting it down, but yeah, I agree.

[@KalemOvide]

This has to become an actual series, helps shine light on smaller speedrunners, such a great colab idea

[@tUbocU90]

15:15 classical SmallAnt. He is too smart for his own good x) He knew it but throws it with pure confidence.

[@The_Endless_Now]

You think if he watched the clip where the weapon being put away, is the same one that was used during the level... he would've changed his mind?

[@MeitanteiKevin]

I mean it wouldn't have changed anything tho, he thought that bond should have the machine gun so the second clip would've just proven him right. In the end he knew what the mistake was, he just thought that the pistol is the right weapon

[@TheSOTA]

Great example of how Game Logic can work very differently than real life. Logically Bond would put away the weapon he used in the level, but Game Logic dictates he puts away the default weapon since he switched to unarmed.

[@Eysc]

so right and so wrong

[@vincenzofranchelli2201]

​@@The_Endless_Nownah cos he thought it was SUPPOSED to be the machine gun, he didnt know that no gun = pistol and the most recently used gun was machine gun

[@UprisenGaming]

Karl should make this a series, it's very fun to play along and watch the other runners come to their conclusions! I even know someone who could craft two almost identical Donkey Kong runs but then again, they would probably both be fake!

[@YoloMenace001]

It technically is a series. Its the 3rd video.

[@PointsofData]

When will we get someone eating a pizza while their character is responding to inputs? Would be legitimately interesting to see ZFG, Linkus, Atrioc, and AstralSpiff do these for their own genre of game specialities...people who are very well versed in the glitches and quirks of their games. Although it'd be equally fun to give someone like Spiff a Poppy Playtime video with "out of bounds endgame warp glitches" that flat out don't exist...yknow since that one time when he was briefly a Poppy Playtime speedrun moderator someone tried that.

[@xelith6157]

​@@YoloMenace001 Oh crap I had no idea, thanks for the heads up. Time to watch the other 2

[@FratinandMadrik]

It's kinda funny when someone doesn't see the hidden mistake but guesses the right clip, but it's straight up hilarious when someone spots the mistake but doesn't know enough about the game to know which one is the cheated clip. That Golden Eye one made me chuckle when he said "I'm not even watching number 2"

[@848]

the whole point is that the runners don't know enough about the game, this would have been better if multiple legit runs were provided, that way something like this doesn't just rely on game knowledge

[@dokchampa9324]

I just realize that was SmallAnt going against his own rule, to never throw even if he has advantage

[@FreddyGamePlayer]

The fact that you put Markiplier at the end of the video while explaining how easy could be to trick your audience when splicing your footage is actually pretty funny. Really good video though, probably one of my favorites of yours! :D

[@Audaxmyr]

Did markiplier splice a fnaf run? I’m confused on why he showed mark there.

[@FreddyGamePlayer]

@Audaxmyr Mark's 10/20 Mode completion turned out to be actually 4/20 Mode, but he splitted and faked a high reaction so it looked like he beated Golden Freddy mode. Still, this situation is not something people use to be mad about, since it's understandable how awful 10/20 Mode's strategy was way back in 2014.

[@Audaxmyr]

@FreddyGamePlayer thank you so much for clarifying this and giving background. I like markiplier and figured he did something since Karl wouldn’t just toss him in as B roll for no reason but had never heard of this debacle.

[@yaboiashy3721]

@@Audaxmyr there's a video on fnaf and how mark cheated fnaf 2 on thebones5. He goes into depth about the ai and also shows the splice in detail. Intresting stuff.

[@someguy8081]

Smant done got the 3rd one wrong for the right reasons

[@BobBoican]

That feels like such specific game knowledge to expect someone to know if they don't already know the game, expecting Bond to be holding the gun he was last seen holding is much more logical.

[@maartendetemmerman393]

@@bostonrailfan2427 well no, you would assume the clip is with the last gun held, even if he was unarmed. you'd need specific gameknowledge to know that if bond was unarmed he would be holding a pistol. so yeah i would have come to the same conclusion that the pistol one was fake

[@emilyofjane]

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[@richardlabrie515]

@@BobBoican It is also the gun you start with in the level. Not holding any weapon at the end? End animation using the starting weapon would make perfect sense.

[@LexicographicalPedant]

4:26 saying tsukishima spliced his runs while splicing a different take on the audio is devious

[@blackroomrob4205]

Whoa. Just heard it, and I thought my phone was bugging out. Quite clever indeed

[@Evelaraevia]

I think there were a few more that happened actually. Fun little detail. I didn't realize it at first.

[@frijolitoazul4343]

nice catch, karl be testing and training our subconscious to find splicing naturally

[@Gastogh]

I'm now wondering how many other similar splices are hidden throughout the video

[@bobsmith93]

I'm so used to people lazily doing that, that I didn't even notice the irony lol. Nice catch

[@NestorCustodio]

It's crazy how knowledgeable Wirtual is about speedrunning in games he doesn't even keep up with.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Yeah

[@jk-qk5vc]

Yeah

[@nikooneshot2115]

Yeah

[@hangover89]

He actually does speedrun SM64 a bit, he got into the semifinals in the loser's bracket a ways back I believe for a 16 star run

[@swanclipper]

i don't play games. haven't in nearly 10 years. i got that shit right. if someone known for playing/watching games, is praised, where's my fucking medal? it's crazy how someone intrenched in gaming culture, knows gaming culture stuff. but someone with a life and no time to waste on silly kids toys, knows just as much if not more, is not as "crazy" or when you use your brain and think of the word you want.... "impressive". but how can i expect educated language from people who only know games. hmmm, Crazy!

[@TheDeeMan07]

Should absolutely make this a series! A tournament format would be super cool to watch live.

[@tor2886]

Billy Mitchell doesn't put the toilet seat back down after using it.

[@Such_wow_much_cringe]

Billy Mitchell doesn't put the toilet seat back down after using it because he doesn't lift it (he pees sitting down). Edit: upon further review, it seems Billy Mitchell actually pees in the sink.

[@tristancampbell2968]

Billy Mitchell sits down when he pees, still misses the bowl and then raises the seat when he's finished

[@gohabs8918]

Billy Mitchel looks like a dirty used toilet seat

[@YouCallThisADrink]

Bold of you to assume he bothers to use a toilet at all.

[@BeAGoodDoga]

@@tristancampbell2968said it in one!😂😂😂😂😂

[@PichuBoi3258]

Big W for Wirtual Getting All Of Then Correct For The Right Reason Lets Gooooo

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Yeah

[@reygenne1]

Yeah

[@taninrobertson2262]

Definitely pulled a Wirtual

[@thesuperginge1348]

Why Have You Capitalised All but One Of Your Words?

[@PichuBoi3258]

@@thesuperginge1348 🤷‍♀️ idk

[@Damaxyz]

Wirtual watched all the clips, *and then got this run*

[@kolskytraveller1369]

That's so funny, thank you for making my day

[@jaymxu]

I can read this in Karl's voice.

[@Angel-Wulff]

25:20 I liked the format of this video

[@supercrownjosie7732]

this was such a cool way to do a collab while still focusing on the kind of content you like making, Karl. absolutely would love if you did this again. and Wirtual, as reigning champ, needs a return if/when you do.

[@matz4k]

Couriway remembering the seed is crazy knowledge 😂

[@Gollet95]

At the same time, if it is a seed that at some point that have been disected several times by the speedrunning community, i guess its kinda common knowledge to remember it when seeing it

[@xLilxLEGEND]

PLEASE. More of this. The play along at home is awesome

[@pgeorg01]

Loved this video format! I hardly ever comment but this was such an awesome collaboration I just had to. Thank you Karl for putting this together! And overall, thank you for all the work you put into video game history, speed running, scandals, etc. There is a great deal of depth to the gaming world and you have put a spotlight on it!

[@TheBones5]

Markiplier 10/20 odds jumpscare at 24:45, that was a fun one to research, if you ever need a guy to explain FNAF AI on any of your videos, let me know, long time fan here :)

[@ImJustBag]

Hello Mister Skeletal Quintuple :D

[@Minemaker0430]

The legend himself

[@Zoms101]

Would you be able to leave a short explanation here? Sounds interesting.

[@maul1007]

As soon as I saw the ending clip, I knew I had to check the comments

[@namechild]

Vouch

[@SuperJTX1056]

In cyber security, you have a system where a team tries to intentionally break into a system and another team tries to figure out how they broke in and/or try to stop them. It would be interesting if the speed running community would do the same by having speed runners give moderators a few clips and see if they could detect the cheated one.

[@thesuperginge1348]

I've always thought if I had the skills to be a speedrunner in ANY game, I would love to do challenges like this all the time, trying to educate the wider community by intentionally cheating (making it very obvious and clear that I do this sort of thing so that no one accuses me of being deceptive!) and challenging viewers and moderators alike to spot the cheats!

[@vastkomplex1851]

That's actually a pretty interesting idea, I would love to see how that would play out

[@Person01234]

@@thesuperginge1348 People are doing this. I think OP is a little misguided, the issue isn't "moderators". Speedruns are there available for anyone to watch and see. But as said in this clip, if you aren't going in knowing it was cheated some of the things might be very hard to spot especially if it's a novel way of cheating but even if it isn't. Of course there are people right now thinking up new ways to "cheat", openly (not submitting their times and instead just saying "hey guys I found this thing") and that's often how old cheaters get detected, when someone independently invents their way of cheating so it's "obvious". But a lot of these games have decades of playing, you don't figure out new obscure ways to cheat every day.

[@dakat5131]

24:53 there's a splice between "spliced" and "a few different runs together"

[@Momma1luvu]

What’s the difference

[@thesuperginge1348]

Hah! Good spot!

[@lillyrose6568]

I'm so glad you commented this because I thought I was the only one to notice lol

[@RTB-x2f]

The running joke of SmallAnt knowing what was cheated, but not knowing which one was the cheater is great.

[@Rogerztheurbanlegend]

Surprised Summoning Salt didn't mention how Matt Turk was the one who did all the legit video clips, lol.

[@teh_hippo]

This deserves more upvotes

[@LoominousShroominous]

Karl, make this a series! I actually love video and concept so much. We need more of this!

[@herisruns]

this is like the third time that he's made a "spot the fake speedrun" video

[@antondahlen]

@@herisruns Where are the other two?

[@herisruns]

@@antondahlen "can you spot the fake speedrun?" episodes 1 and 2

[@SpectreXS]

Is spotting 4 out of 4 cheated speedruns the new "pulling a Wirtual"?

[@NerfPlayeR135]

He'd certainly prefer it to be!

[@PetrolHeadMotorsport]

Nah, that's still considered "pulling a Mufat"

[@BuckleysPants]

paid comment

[@FFKonoko]

​@@BuckleysPants 😂 good joke

[@Innosos]

What Smant did with the 3rd one is what "pulling a Wirtual" means.

[@IkEisawesome7]

I came into this thinking, "Wirtual? This guy could spot a Trackmania cheat with his eyes closed - but does he know other games?" Yea, he does

[@MahDryBread]

This was a super fun idea for a video, you should do this again sometime! I watched the clips but the only one I could figure out was the Frigate one thanks to already knowing about the Henning Blom situation

[@vincentauronward347]

4:27 I love the serendipitous splice of the narration script while discussing splicing

[@kfc2180]

This is a great idea, please do more of these

[@aliasdragonbait8798]

Seconded

[@Slomsy]

Among these, I have only played Minecraft. And I completly blanked on the existance of splicing. But an educated guess on how Karl would think, and went "he probably went 1, 1, 2."

[@liamswedberg2827]

I knew exactly about the scandal in question with the loading screen error, but for us watching at home and playing along it was impossible to know which one it is without having the seeds to check. Other than that a great video idea, hopefully more like it in the future.

[@xelith6157]

​@@liamswedberg2827 The seeds were displayed in screen, no?

[@shadoww7301]

@@liamswedberg2827 the seeds are literally in the video titles and on screen lmao

[@ikiwheese]

Detective Wirtual. Can't get anything past him.

[@codiecola3636]

24:44 I love how the footage in the background while concluding that fake runs are hard to spot was of mark’s fake 10/20 victory in fnaf 2.

[@Tbot_2]

At least his run doesn't take that achievement from other people, but the way he plays up the reaction so much is just cringe to watch now

[@SuguSugux]

yeah i was wondering why?

[@eric8764]

@@SuguSugux Because it's a fake achievement that fooled the general public.

[@portal7910]

@@SuguSugux Why it's faked? putting it short, absurd luck in terms of failed movement opportunities from every animatronics near the end, explained by a splice near the end of the night to an easier night, then another to show the 10/20 result

[@Number_055]

Man, this is really disappointing to learn. I know Mark's an entertainer, not a speedrunner (or challenge runner) but I still thought he would have more integrity than that.

[@koelee]

Karl Jobst still dropping absolute bangers while in the middle of a lawsuit 🔥🔥🔥

[@z31tl05]

Should he stop working? He has family to take care of and bills to pay. You act like his life stopped for the lawsuit

[@kempolar9768]

​@@z31tl05that's not at all what he said. He said that Karl was still making super high quality and entertaining videos even though he has to put so much attention, focus and stress onto the lawsuit. Most people couldn't make as much or anywhere near as high quality content as Karl can do while being in his situation, it's impressive as heck.

[@dardo1201]

I think i remember reading the proceedings are over, now they have to wait for the ruling which can take months or over a year apparently.

[@phantomsnare5925]

@@z31tl05 he just recognizes Karl being this high quality in his videos while still on track with his life. Maybe a bit more comprehension there bud.

[@z31tl05]

@phantomsnare5925 recognize the obvious... Isn't that big of a feat. Why wouldn't Karl be on track with high quality content when it's the high quality that pays his bills and feeds his family. Right now he sunk a lot of money into the silly bitchell case and everyone in their right frame of mind would keep making money. Why would or should Karl stop making high quality content? Don't be such a snowflake just because I pointed out someone doing his job and feeding his family is the norm

[@staudinga]

I love how many people you included in this video, both the people creating the clips, as well as the ones evaluating them. I only looked at the raw clips for a short while before impatiently returning to the main video, but I think I would've failed this tasks spectacularly (though I was sorta on the right track in some cases, so there's hope)

[@demfrodegroot7596]

Love Smallant consistently pointing out the cheating method, but having no idea what the non-cheated version is supposed to look like.

[@0304dina]

I think it speaks for his character that he doesn't know the intricacies of the cheating methods imo

[@noahblevins9569]

Very good video. It really demonstrates just how hard it can be to find a fake run. It was very surprising to me that multiple acclaimed speedrunners would have such a hard time. In hindsight, that is to be expected when it isnt their game being displayed.

[@Mswordx23]

Be glad that Karl uses his powers for good and not evil.

[@Dac_vak]

“And Goldeneye” Karl just couldn’t help himself 😂

[@Peksisarvinen]

I mean, Summoning Salt has made like 4 videos on Punch-Out. It's natural to gravitate towards the game you play, and especially as a big content creator, it's an easy way to breathe life into the community.

[@cwtrain]

"Play to your strengths."

[@Moltzenn]

Karl really assembled the speedrun Avengers. My Goat! 💀

[@liam6170]

While Billy assembles the league of cheaters

[@SullySadface]

Calling Smant a Pro is a bit of a stretch

[@liam6170]

@SullySadface he’s more pro then Billy 😆

[@AlphaExtraction]

@@SullySadface hey dont sleep on pencil sharpening

[@SEMARPE]

That clown dv shouldn't be there

[@Galakyllz]

This was a WONDERFUL collaboration. More of this, please!

[@MemesbroOnScratch]

Having Wirtual and Summoning Salt in the same video is surreal

[@noneyabidness9644]

For old games, its still ridiculously popular... enough for people to take great lengths to cheat.

[@alexandercolon1973]

There is money and fame involved

[@Azuciea]

People will cheat at any and everything.

[@dopaminecloud]

people will cheat to win at family board games against their siblings, and they'll cheat to be higher on a leaderboard in a game no one cares about to show up strangers

[@noneyabidness9644]

@@dopaminecloud I genuinely do not understand that compulsion. Because they have to know they're not actually good at it. What does it matter what others think?

[@dopaminecloud]

@@noneyabidness9644 It's a mystery to me as well. I only understand the personality requirements to engage in the behavior. You need an amount of arrogance, which is essentially a bloated entitlement towards yourself and a disrespect towards everything else. Only by adequately devaluing the honor-rules can you justify the behavior and engage in it. This can express in two directions as far as I know: They can feel they are either owed the result, or on the other hand, they can simply be looking down on the competition.

[@shadowssketcher]

Shout out to Wurtual absolutely killing the identification!

[@Jatzuli]

Super cool concept, thanks for taking the time to putt this together!

[@soulsmith5935]

Really cool collaboration video, it was really cool seeing some other familiar faces, gonna have to check out the new ones now too

[@Shuyin128MK4]

This was a fantastic video of speedrunning! I only wish the explanation of what was wrong was AFTER they made their guesses of the specified game so that we could have attempted a guess without the playlist.

[@brolicanklesanonymous]

Cool to see Darkviper doing stuff with you. I know you had a little falling out a while back so it's nice to see you guys buried the hatchet.

[@wolframiumlavasioth]

I didnt know they made things up so I was shaken to my core seeing this video. Glad that they're good now.

[@AlanHearshel]

such an amazing collab! must have take months to put all of this together. thank you for the entertainment Karl

[@youroffline]

This was actually phenomenal Karl. You really made a gem of a fun video here. I watch many of these youtubers on the regular so it was very nice to see them here, taking part.

[@RUSSIANman_1996]

0:49 without watching the video, I'm calling Minecraft. The runner doesn't have a skin made of retina-burning primary colors

[@snaifhassnan6348]

Real and True

[@brandongreen4439]

"Even if all you did was Splice"*SPLICE*"A few different runs together." Wonderful job, Jobst. Also if it's still going on? You got our support on your case against big bad Billy.

[@vFly]

These are the elite 4 of KZbin speedrunning, salt being the champion and honestly that’s a team I’ll never even try to contest 😂 absolute banger video

[@Silence-cx4ml]

Before I fully got into the video I thought to myself how cool it would be to guess along and you actually provided the playlist for all the games. I had a lot of fun! You are the absolute legend! :D

[@ManskiTheRed]

This video made me unreasonably happy to see all the great iconic names of the KZbin speedrunning scene together and interacting

[@koolaid33]

This was pretty cool, especially when you know/watch multiple of the people who participated here. If you ever do this again, I think you should pick 5 games, one that tailors to the specific game one of the speedrunners runs (DarkViper and GTA 5, Summoning Salt and Super Mario Bros.) and see if the other 4 speedrunners can catch the discrepancy, and if the speedrunner who runs that game remembers all the tricks in it.

[@GPurcellMusic]

This was super fun to watch and play along with and I'd love to see something in this vein again sometime!

[@itsnottylor4011]

Wirtual is the goat but I didn't know he was so well versed in general speedrun trivia.

[@archfeymirth]

Showing the fake Mark FNAF 2 vid in the bg of the ending is so funny. It's always such a shame to remember that was faked.

[@magickmskh]

Was there any response from Mark about that? Does he even know he was caught?

[@koolaid33]

@@magickmskh Oh he definitely knows, but it was close to a decade ago, and I can tell you he probably doesn't care. I doubt he thought people would've believed it anyway, like I said on another comment, he's not a speedrunner, he has no previous history with speedrunning, he's simply an entertainer who plays videogames.

[@namelessliberty9869]

I just went down a rabbithole googling this and found 10 year old reddit posts of people accusing markiplier of cheating this fnaf thing and they all get laughed off stage and downvoted. Now I don't know who's right and I'm so invested. I don't even watch markiplier or play fnaf.

[@vlad2d223]

Watch TheBones5​ FNAF iceberg part 2 to learn about it, he explains everything @@namelessliberty9869

[@archfeymirth]

@@namelessliberty9869 If you look it up on youtube there's people much smarter than I dissecting how it's cheated. People with way more time on their hands and much more into FNAF runs, too, so I'm willing to believe them. I believe there is a section of an iceberg video by TheBones5 that I watched? It goes into some detail on it.

[@sound123mine]

Dayum. Wirtual really knows about this!

[@erdapfel300]

Since he is kind of a cheating investigator himself I am not surprised, but huge props to him!

[@vit4mint685]

Really awesome video concept. Also enjoyed the ability to play along with it as well with the supplemental playlist. Smallant and Wirtual are top minds for sure.

[@mxmschae]

Showing the Markiplier FNAF 2 10/20 as you talked about fooling the general public with spliced footage was nasty 😂

[@vanillawithasideofsprinkles]

I wondered about this. Was this proven to be fake? He's not a speed runner so I wasn't sure if anyone really looked too closely at his videos.

[@mxmschae]

@ a KZbinr named TheBones5 recently did a small deep-dive into the code and odds of his run, and how he believes it's spliced and edited, in one of his iceberg videos. Edit: The Video "The Technical FNAF Iceberg Explained (2/2)," he begins talking about it at 36 minutes.

[@vanillawithasideofsprinkles]

@@mxmschae fascinating, I will check that out. Thanks!

[@kylegilbert8848]

17:02 Of course he's a Bond speedrunner I can see the resemblance

[@WeAreNotAIone]

There are no cougars in Mario 64.

[@espertalhao041]

But there are no missions in Mario 64.

[@koolaid33]

IT'S MILLIONS TO ONE

[@KaitouKaiju]

But peach is right there

[@Catman_CM]

I don't know about cougars, but thd cake was definitely missing.

[@WeAreNotAIone]

@@KaitouKaiju I see your point

[@superlolgal555]

This video was such a fun idea / format, I'd definitely love to see it again!

[@b1gDerek]

1:19 I tried to hit X three times. Time to go to bed.

[@Yungbeck]

lmaoo

[@V-The_Present]

Scroll it on another corner and press it again

[@Aunini]

🛏

[@emeraldaly7646]

That was fun to watch. I wonder if Karl wasn't busy with Silly Bitchell, would he have made the Goldeneye runs himself.

[@vitalepitts]

oh wow that IS darkviperau I didn't expect to see him just in a normal youtube video ever again in my life.

[@SiD3WiNDR]

Awesome video, really fun challenge and I think all candidates enjoyed it as well. Mad props to Wirtual, a golden eye and excellent knowledge!

[@chickenheart3612]

...that jab at Markiplier for faking his 10/20 FNAF 2 victory was really, *supremely* subtle. I just happened to catch it thanks to TheBones5 KZbin channel on KZbin.

[@nopeno-s5r]

idk why mark doesn't just acknowledge it, and maybe do it for real. It was a long time ago and nobody was competing with him so it's not a big deal, just annoying that he won't admit it

[@Hazewhite]

@@nopeno-s5r I mean there's really no reason to, he has moved on from his title of king of fnaf and pretty sure most of his fans don't care about it, so why invite controversy

[@loucam08]

what was the timestamp for this? Edit - 24:43

[@nopeno-s5r]

@@Hazewhite This will be talked about more and more by other youtubers until it is resolved. He would attract less controversy by coming clean about it, especially since what he did isn't that bad at all

[@GIRru11]

​@@nopeno-s5rif it wasn't that bad, then why bother making a big deal out of it

[@DubYuhGChoppa]

Wirtual is so observant man that Trackmania quick learning really pays off

[@user-on6uf6om7s]

I'd be interested to see how he did at a memory test, he has to memorize a lot of tracks and his memory for the details of how these runs were cheated was insane so I imagine he would do really well.

[@flyboxpicture]

Matto is not a speedrunner, he just plays game slightly faster than average.

[@koolaid33]

Idk man, have you SEEN his mask% run? That's some intense stuff right there.

[@biospark4758]

And writing FOURTEEN PAGES

[@monetary687]

When did darkviper stop hating Karl ?

[@zeusymoosey3348]

​@@monetary687that's what I'm curious about. Maybe the video was reordered before?

[@Klaeyy]

@@monetary687 They never really hated each other, afaik there was just some "drama" about matt saying "he doesn't consider Karl his *friend* " because he doesn't really have anything to do with him and Karl not really liking that. ... but nothing more really happend. And well - he hung out with him and took some pictures with him some time ago, so i guess they got over that? It was never truly something serious.

[@randyohm3445]

This was a really fun idea, I'd love to see it done again in the future.

[@JackQNielsen]

This is super entertaining, I love watching Summoning Salt, Wirtual, Speezy, and Smallant. Also DarkViper is there.

[@FoarLeaf]

Noo sneaking in Markiplier's 10/20 mode in the outro 💀

[@nerdporkspass1m1st78]

The shade he’s throwing at Markiplier for putting his FNAF 2 10-20 run in this video… 😂

[@DaereonLive]

This was actually very fun to see! I would certainly not mind more of this kind of content :)

[@Shane_Cordwainer]

ABSOLUTE LEGEND

[@LittleWeevil]

24:42 uh... why is markiplier footage here? Is it implying that he cheated the final night in Fnaf 2? Is that already known and I missed it?

[@magickmskh]

Yes, he spliced his 10/20 completion. Look up TheBones5 iceburg part 2

[@TheWizardMus]

His 10/20 completion was done on the Custom Night that had only the withered animatronics. None of the toy animatronics move at all in the final clip, and BB has a obvious audio cue you can use to track it

[@koolaid33]

I mean, were people out there really believing Markiplier was running a real speedrun? His career isn't speedrunning, it's LetsPlaying.

[@smugbowkid9919]

@@koolaid33it’s not a speedrun, it’s just a completion

[@anthonynguyen1289]

@@koolaid33like the other comment said. Mark wasn’t ever trying to speedrun. He was just trying to complete the difficult challenges. He couldn’t or didn’t have the patience to which is why he spliced and made an easier run. Essentially he just scripted the video which is similar to content like Dream’s minecraft manhunts. Nothing wrong with making that, but passing it off as genuine is silly and bad taste when actual people do the challenges

[@Squatch_needs_no_heroes]

1:48 Karl switching it up and I’m here for it

[@lolhed]

This is such a brilliant format! Always love to see my favorite people challenging each other

[@JaxoNorth]

Massive missed opportunity to not involve Karl Jobst in this experiment.

[@koolaid33]

He definitely should've done the fake and real runs for Goldeneye, missed potential there.